This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Psychedelic Researcher and Author, Wade Richardson.
Wade is a psychonaut with more than 15 years of experience participating in and facilitating hundreds of psychedelics sessions.
His latest book is The Psychedelic Mindmeld, Telepathically Exploring Shared Consciousness. In this guide to psychedelic mindmelding, Wade shows how, with the aid of psychedelics, sharing consciousness is possible.
He presents techniques for entering and maintaining a psychedelic mindmeld and looks at safe set and setting for psychedelic telepathic work, including preparations, finding the right partner, and potential challenges.
Tune in and share all of your questions and comments around the ideas of telepathy and psychedelics on our YouTube livestream or on our Facebook page.
Sam Liebowitz reflects on how societal programming often pulls us away from our true soul's calling, urging listeners to break free from external expectations and reconnect with their authentic selves for genuine liberation. Through personal stories and the example of a courageous friend who became a Buddhist monk, Sam illustrates that honoring our deepest spiritual urges, even when misunderstood by society, is an act of profound empowerment. Introducing guest Wade Richardson, Sam transitions into a conversation about psychedelics and consciousness, opening a dialogue about the profound spiritual awakenings and psychic phenomena possible through intentional inner exploration.
Wade Richardson shares how a spontaneous telepathic experience during an ayahuasca ceremony first opened him to the extraordinary possibility of shared consciousness, blending the realms of psychedelic exploration and psychic connection. Recognizing society’s misunderstandings and fears around this work, Wade discusses why he uses an avatar and pseudonym to protect his identity while bravely bringing these experiences to light. His book, The Psychedelic Mind Meld, emerges from years of personal practice and aims to guide others toward deeper intimacy, healing, and soul-to-soul connection through conscious and intentional psychedelic work.
Wade Richardson explains that psychedelic telepathy is an advanced practice requiring not only deep familiarity with psychedelics but also strong emotional resilience, trauma awareness, and a profound trust between participants. He highlights the importance of clear intentions, careful partner selection, and mindful navigation of energies—especially the fleeting but potent sexual energies that may arise—always emphasizing respect, boundaries, and conscious preparation. Additionally, Wade shares how solo psychic development, such as working with thought forms or lucid dreaming, can complement psychedelic practices, ultimately deepening our understanding of reality as a dream-like creation of consciousness.
Wade Richardson explains that exploring telepathy through psychedelics requires deep compassion, the willingness to face shared emotional shadows, and the humility to hold all experiences lightly, without rigid interpretation. He and Sam Liebowitz reflect on the importance of seeing reality as dreamlike, recognizing that personal biography shapes perceptions even in altered states, and that psychedelic work is a profound form of spiritual practice leading toward higher consciousness and God-realization. They close by affirming that true connection, both with others and with the divine, is available through the courageous merging of consciousness in sacred, intentional spaces.
00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:57.659 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Good morning. Good evening. Wherever you're tuning in from welcome to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity.
00:00:57.660 --> 00:01:21.129 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got another fascinating show in store for you today with a very unusual guest, and we'll bring him on in just a moment. But first, st of course, we do have my blog post from a couple of years ago. Just kind of taking them in order, yet somehow they seem to be so apropos for
00:01:21.566 --> 00:01:26.810 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: the show this week. So this week's blog post is entitled.
00:01:26.830 --> 00:01:32.440 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: when we find our true soul's calling. We are truly free.
00:01:33.090 --> 00:01:39.249 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: We often battle with ourselves. Inside of us. We can feel a deep split
00:01:39.650 --> 00:01:43.719 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: between our soul's calling and the world's calling
00:01:44.270 --> 00:01:50.799 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: for even when we know the truth, it is hard to go against our programming
00:01:51.270 --> 00:01:58.510 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: from the entire. From the time we are young the world wants us to fit into a certain box
00:01:58.850 --> 00:02:06.720 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: a box of who we are, and what we should contribute to the world, of how we should act.
00:02:06.860 --> 00:02:11.290 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: how we should dress and what we should be doing with our lives.
00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:21.629 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: This programming comes to us from our parents, our friends, our schools, the media, and literally everything around us.
00:02:22.440 --> 00:02:28.229 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and if we are unfortunate enough to not fit into those boxes.
00:02:28.380 --> 00:02:30.780 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: the world will punish us for it.
00:02:31.410 --> 00:02:36.530 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: especially if we were born the wrong gender or orientation.
00:02:37.530 --> 00:02:42.829 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: or if we are not a masculine man or a feminine woman.
00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:48.339 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: even if we are too smart or not smart enough.
00:02:48.720 --> 00:02:55.629 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: there is always something that doesn't fit into society's expectation of us.
00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:05.519 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Maybe we are expected to be the breadwinner in the family when all we want to do is take care of the children or the home.
00:03:06.090 --> 00:03:13.719 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Perhaps the opposite is true for us, yet we are the wrong gender to be the main financial support of the family.
00:03:14.050 --> 00:03:21.239 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: It can even be as subtle as being expected to do as well in school as our siblings.
00:03:21.390 --> 00:03:23.750 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Even if we can't stand school.
00:03:24.630 --> 00:03:33.610 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: All of these external pressures build up over the years we take on this false identity.
00:03:34.490 --> 00:03:37.579 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: We live our lives as a lie.
00:03:37.880 --> 00:03:42.890 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and even convince ourselves that we're doing the right thing.
00:03:43.920 --> 00:03:46.810 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Yet our soul keeps calling.
00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:54.239 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Our true self that is buried deep within us cannot be denied forever.
00:03:56.270 --> 00:04:00.469 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and it's a calling that will cause friction inside of us.
00:04:00.790 --> 00:04:03.900 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: that friction will eventually burn us.
00:04:04.020 --> 00:04:14.400 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: We will either cast off the false chains of society, or we will end ourselves, for the pain is too great to ignore.
00:04:15.370 --> 00:04:19.499 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Ultimately the best thing we can do
00:04:19.750 --> 00:04:22.590 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: is listen to our soul's calling
00:04:23.510 --> 00:04:28.989 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: to seek it out and find it in the most unexpected places.
00:04:29.490 --> 00:04:36.860 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: For once we recognize what is true for us. Deep inside we cannot go back.
00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:42.619 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: We can only move forward towards our true self.
00:04:43.670 --> 00:04:46.240 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and we, when we come close
00:04:46.410 --> 00:04:49.830 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and touch it even for a moment.
00:04:50.550 --> 00:04:54.160 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: we will feel the bliss of liberation.
00:04:55.110 --> 00:05:02.430 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: for the liberation from society's expectations is the greatest freedom of all.
00:05:04.420 --> 00:05:09.460 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: when we are truly aligned with our soul, we are home.
00:05:10.690 --> 00:05:15.920 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Can you feel your soul calling to you deep inside?
00:05:16.580 --> 00:05:17.070 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Hmm!
00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:22.330 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I actually had forgotten I had written this blog post.
00:05:24.110 --> 00:05:31.089 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and and I kind of feel like there was a number of things kind of came together that caused me to write this
00:05:35.780 --> 00:05:42.023 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and and having, you know, worked with people as as a coach and a mentor and a facilitator.
00:05:42.952 --> 00:05:52.290 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I have a lot of people come to me, and they're confused. They don't know what they really want to do with their lives. And it's so interesting how, when we work together
00:05:53.110 --> 00:05:57.180 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: often, I find. It's not that they don't know.
00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:06.490 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: It's about having the courage to face up to the truth that's within themselves that
00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:16.879 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: you know they don't want to be a doctor, or a lawyer, or a Cpa, or or some, or or a programmer.
00:06:16.930 --> 00:06:39.110 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: that they want to be an artist or a dancer, or, you know, do something that's completely outside of societal norms. Maybe they want to join the Peace Corps. Maybe they want to go help some small village in Africa or in Southeast Asia, you know, create a well, and and help people to live a better life.
00:06:41.290 --> 00:06:45.019 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And and I I cannot help but think of
00:06:46.170 --> 00:06:53.180 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: the original founder of this network, Giorgio Rippetti, who, when I met him.
00:06:53.550 --> 00:06:58.810 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: he had decided to become a Buddhist monk and don his robes and take his vows.
00:06:59.420 --> 00:07:06.969 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and he was a young gentleman in his mid to late thirties at the time an amazing acupuncturist, a tremendous healer.
00:07:07.880 --> 00:07:24.259 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and every single person in his life was telling him. It's a mistake. No, don't do it. You're young. Wait until later, and he was just like, you know, I'm done with society. I'm done with this stuff. I just want to go off and meditate and and cultivate my spiritual practice.
00:07:24.830 --> 00:07:27.470 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And I really honored him for that.
00:07:30.960 --> 00:07:39.660 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And you know i i i feel grateful that I was able to help him to realize his dream
00:07:39.830 --> 00:07:43.209 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: by purchasing his business and taking it over. And
00:07:43.610 --> 00:07:50.860 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and and you know we've I've been running talk radio down Nyc. Now for the last almost 15 years.
00:07:52.450 --> 00:07:57.899 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and and it's been an amazing ride, and I really have to give thanks to Giorgio, but
00:07:58.730 --> 00:08:02.790 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: he had the courage to listen to his soul's calling.
00:08:04.850 --> 00:08:10.009 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: you know, and and it was interesting. I remember a conversation I had with him where he said, you know.
00:08:10.270 --> 00:08:22.240 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: if if I told people oh, I just want to make a lot of money, and and you know, buy a big house and do all this stuff, everyone would be yeah, great Giorgio, go for your dreams. That'd be wonderful.
00:08:22.500 --> 00:08:30.010 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: But if I say I want to cultivate my spiritual practice and meditate all day long. People are like giving me all a hard time.
00:08:30.940 --> 00:08:37.010 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and it just goes to show the societal prejudice that's in all of us
00:08:37.419 --> 00:08:44.119 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: keep in mind that these people I'm talking about. There were his clients, his friends. They weren't bad people.
00:08:44.920 --> 00:08:51.360 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: They weren't people who wished him ill. They actually sincerely wanted the best for him.
00:08:53.180 --> 00:08:57.980 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: but they were so caught up in their own ideas
00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.409 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: of what it means to have a good life.
00:09:02.890 --> 00:09:15.230 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and and so conditioned by society that they couldn't accept the idea of someone becoming a Buddhist monk and going off to spend the rest of his life meditating
00:09:15.570 --> 00:09:18.069 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and begging for food every day.
00:09:18.970 --> 00:09:24.050 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Now look that that calling is not for me. It's not for most people in society.
00:09:24.610 --> 00:09:27.030 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: but for those who feel called to it.
00:09:27.790 --> 00:09:34.270 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Why would we not want them to follow their soul's calling
00:09:37.400 --> 00:09:44.469 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: so that that encounter has stayed with me all these 15 years? It's
00:09:44.920 --> 00:09:47.949 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: always been a very important lesson to me.
00:09:48.617 --> 00:09:54.180 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I've seen him a couple of times. He's come back to visit with his robes, and
00:09:54.350 --> 00:10:01.140 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: and it's been a few years, though I don't think I've seen him since before the pandemic. I I hope he's doing well.
00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:29.050 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: but yeah. So, Giorgio, I'll dedicate this blog post to you, even though I'm pretty sure like you weren't the impetus for this, but just reading through it now and thinking about these things, I'm reminded of you. So wherever you are in the world, should you ever listen to this episode, Bante, this episode's for you. So thank you. Well.
00:10:29.770 --> 00:10:33.775 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: that's my that's my blog post for today.
00:10:34.530 --> 00:10:57.749 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I hope it resonates with you. I hope you get something from it, and it means something for you. Again. The title of this blog post is when we find our true souls calling. We are truly free, and if you like this blog post, you might like my book. If you haven't already gotten it everyday awakening, you are more powerful than you know, and you can find it on Amazon and all the major booksellers.
00:10:58.540 --> 00:11:12.530 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And yeah, and if you want to read more of my blog posts, you can always find them on my personally branded website, theconsciousconsultant.com, or, of course on the station's website. Talkradio dot Nyc slash blog.
00:11:13.340 --> 00:11:17.190 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: All right. Quite a quite a way to start off the show. But
00:11:17.390 --> 00:11:25.070 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: now it is my pleasure to welcome to the show psychedelic researcher and author, Wade Richardson
00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:40.269 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Wade is a psychonaut with more than 15 years of experience, participating in and facilitating hundreds of psychedelic sessions. His latest book is Psychedelic Mind. Meld, telepathically exploring, shared consciousness
00:11:40.450 --> 00:12:06.299 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: in this guide to psychedelic mind. Melding Wade shows how, with the aid of psychedelics sharing consciousness is possible. He presents techniques for entering and maintaining a psychedelic mind meld, and looks at safe set and setting for psychedelic telepathic work, including preparations, finding the right partner and potential challenges welcome to the conscious consultant hour. Wade.
00:12:08.560 --> 00:12:12.530 Wade Richardson: Thank you, Sam. I'm glad to be here and honored to be on your show. Thank you.
00:12:12.790 --> 00:12:18.810 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, well, thank you for taking the time and making the time to come on. I truly appreciate it.
00:12:19.510 --> 00:12:20.435 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: So
00:12:21.630 --> 00:12:42.119 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: you know, I've had many authors come on who've touched upon psychedelics I've recently had on Dr. Rick Straussman, author of the book, Dmt. The God Molecule. This is one particular topic that I personally am very interested in and love bringing people on.
00:12:42.270 --> 00:13:05.820 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: But I don't think I've ever had anyone on where we sort of crossed over that line between sort of psychedelics and psychic phenomena. And I'm curious, like, first, st what got you initially interested in psychedelics and then specifically, what got you interested in psychedelics and psychic phenomena like telepathy.
00:13:08.430 --> 00:13:27.160 Wade Richardson: Yeah. Well, I mean, we take a big step back in time where I was kind of more, I would say agnostic, leaning into atheism, and it's I mean, the story's long. I'll try to keep this brief. But I've been working for an aboriginal man who was a chief, and
00:13:27.420 --> 00:13:46.109 Wade Richardson: there was a story of resilience that he had gone through a lot of difficulty in his life, and I really wanted to tell that story, and I ended up going to a spiritual retreat with my girlfriend at the time, which I was kind of reluctant to do, but she was really big into it, so like. Sure. Let's do that, and, you know, given
00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:54.610 Wade Richardson: the nature of the work I was doing at the time, it made sense for me to go to this talk on Shamanism. So I went to it, and it was on soul retrieval.
00:13:54.740 --> 00:14:01.489 Wade Richardson: And I was like, Oh, wow! This is really interesting, and it would be a neat backdrop for the story I want to tell of resilience.
00:14:02.050 --> 00:14:08.310 Wade Richardson: So I ended up writing this fictional story and doing a ton of research on Shamanism.
00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:37.650 Wade Richardson: and but frankly, not believing any of it, I was like, Yeah, this is really intriguing. But you know, it's probably a lot of fantasy and imagination, and it kind of left it at that. A few years went by, and then I met someone telling about the story that I'd written, and they're like, oh, you know, you should try this ayahuasca retreat. And I was like, Yeah, you know, I've read a lot about written about it. I should probably give that a go.
00:14:38.030 --> 00:14:42.989 Wade Richardson: And so I went to this ayahuasca retreat, knowing that intention was important.
00:14:43.540 --> 00:14:50.400 Wade Richardson: and the shaman, of course, went, you know, experience more joy.
00:14:50.520 --> 00:15:01.440 Wade Richardson: and she asked me a couple of really quick questions and was right on top of me, you know, having a blockage towards spirituality.
00:15:01.610 --> 00:15:03.720 Wade Richardson: And I was like.
00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:12.459 Wade Richardson: Yeah, that's that's true. And she's like, Well, I think you should open your heart to spirituality is a potential intention for this ceremony. So I was like, Yeah, sure.
00:15:12.750 --> 00:15:29.240 Wade Richardson: So we went into the ceremony, took the ayahuasca. I sat down. You know I wasn't going to move. I was just, and I wasn't going to close my eyes, either, because I didn't want that kind of dreamlike imagination creating some kind of falsity in my mind, as you know, highly skeptical.
00:15:29.390 --> 00:15:37.319 Wade Richardson: And so I'm sitting there. Time is passing, and this portal opens up in the floor, which was in front of the shaman, who was to the right of me.
00:15:37.520 --> 00:16:03.430 Wade Richardson: and immediately I'm like, Oh, that's the portal. I've read so much about it, and you know, what do I do? How do I go into that? And as I'm asking all these questions, really caught in my own intellect. All of a sudden this massive praying mantis pops out of it. And you know it's like human sized, and is right in front of me, basically reaches in with its claws, opens up my my chest and performs this open heart surgery on me.
00:16:03.510 --> 00:16:18.820 Wade Richardson: which is kind of freaking me out, but it feels like it's meant to happen, and honestly feels great and healing. So I just observed and let it happen, and of course, the whole time my mind is being completely blown away. What is this.
00:16:18.820 --> 00:16:23.400 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And and wait. Quick, clarification! Were your eyes open the whole time?
00:16:24.250 --> 00:16:26.760 Wade Richardson: My eyes were open the whole time. Yes.
00:16:26.760 --> 00:16:27.300 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:16:27.560 --> 00:16:44.409 Wade Richardson: Right? So and then, yeah, I mean, for the following months. And yeah, I mean, arguably, years. I was just like, Wow, what what is this? I mean? There's something very profound here. So I continued to go to ceremonies after that, and did a ton of a ton more reading.
00:16:44.530 --> 00:16:54.097 Wade Richardson: And yeah, that was kind of my introduction. So. But then the second part of your question, like, in terms of the psychic piece,
00:16:55.640 --> 00:16:56.629 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I'll tell you what once.
00:16:56.630 --> 00:16:58.190 Wade Richardson: Experiences that I go ahead.
00:16:58.190 --> 00:17:06.839 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: When we hold it there, let's go to break. And when we come back, let's talk about the the psychic connection to the the medicine retreats. Okay.
00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:08.900 Wade Richardson: Yeah. Sounds. Great. Sam.
00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:28.949 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: All right. Great thanks, Wade. All right, everyone. Please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday, 12 noon to one Pm. Eastern time. Right here on Talkradio, Dot, Nyc. And all over social media. We're speaking this hour with Wade Richardson, author of the book.
00:17:29.439 --> 00:17:33.759 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: the psychedelic mind, Meld, and we'll be right back in just a moment.
00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:42.129 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Wade Richardson, author of the book, The Psychedelic Mind, meld. So, Wade, we were talking about your initial ayahuasca experience, and how you kind of came to working with plant medicine work and psychedelics.
00:19:42.250 --> 00:19:59.789 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And and so the next part of that question was like, How did that interest in sort of that, that crossover between psychedelics and psychic phenomena? In particular telepathy come onto your radar, or catch your interest.
00:20:01.530 --> 00:20:16.899 Wade Richardson: Yeah. Well, I mean, it's 1 of those things where I didn't know it was a thing. And it was yeah, a spontaneous occurrence. You know, I had some over the years leading up to the telepathy I had out of body experiences. You know, I was familiar with. Wow! There's lots of
00:20:16.950 --> 00:20:35.270 Wade Richardson: big, incredible, and and strange things that are possible with psychedelics. But you know a number of years had passed, and I went with a friend down to Mexico and have a neat story of synchronicity. We were actually there for some sporting events.
00:20:35.310 --> 00:20:59.280 Wade Richardson: and a shaman called me up, who I'd worked with for a number of years at this point, and she's like, Oh, we're doing a ceremony in Mexico. Well, it turned out to be the very same small town that we were in, and my friend had wanted to do ayahuasca, but was not comfortable doing it in our original hometown, just because, you know, as a professional. He was worried about, you know, being kind of called out.
00:21:00.060 --> 00:21:03.340 Wade Richardson: And so, yeah, we went to the ceremony.
00:21:03.490 --> 00:21:12.899 Wade Richardson: and it was a pretty big ceremony, and we were in the jungle. There was about 30 people with about, you know, 3 or 4 shamans leading it, and
00:21:13.100 --> 00:21:37.369 Wade Richardson: we get started. In the 1st couple days not much happened for me, and I was frankly, quite disappointed with that. My friend, who is struggling with alcoholism, which was one of the reasons he wanted to do. The ceremony was profoundly struggling and feeling sick through those 1st couple days which for people struggling with substance abuse that's not unusual. But we get into the 3rd day. And I was kind of like, okay, well.
00:21:37.370 --> 00:21:43.789 Wade Richardson: not sure where this is going that, you know, it was kind of an evening that was starting out a bit slowly, and I really asked myself, Well, why am I here?
00:21:43.970 --> 00:21:44.980 Wade Richardson: And
00:21:45.610 --> 00:21:57.090 Wade Richardson: really was for my friend? And so then I started to just kind of meditate on kind of an open heart. Meditation, without thinking anything significant was going to happen. It was just kind of a place to
00:21:57.300 --> 00:22:08.440 Wade Richardson: to be in for me and and work through, and all of a sudden within, I would say, maybe 2 or 3 min of starting this meditation. I had this massive amount of energy shoot up through my body.
00:22:08.650 --> 00:22:15.879 Wade Richardson: and he was sitting to my right, and all of a sudden my my right arm just spontaneously reached out and grabbed his head.
00:22:16.030 --> 00:22:27.880 Wade Richardson: And, as you know, we're talking about, I've you know, had been doing psychedelics already for a number of years, and so, you know, I was used to the weirdness, and of course this was kind of upping it a bit. But I was like, Hey, just go with the flow.
00:22:28.530 --> 00:22:39.939 Wade Richardson: So there's there. I am sitting in the dark with my hand on his head, and and then I started to kind of shake, and I felt this profound grief come through me, and I started bawling my eyes out.
00:22:40.070 --> 00:22:55.010 Wade Richardson: but I just went with it, and that continued on, for, you know, 20 min, half an hour, and it was difficult, to say the least. You know it was their very deep emotions and definitely a lot of struggle in that.
00:22:55.770 --> 00:23:18.289 Wade Richardson: But that kind of played out, and there were other things that happened in that evening. But you know, the point is that there was this telepathic exchange, and I, of course, at the time, didn't even really understand what it was, and I asked my friend the next morning, well, what was his experience, and he said to me that he had a daughter. I knew this part of the story in terms of that. He did have a daughter who had died at an early age. I think she was somewhere between 4 and 6
00:23:18.520 --> 00:23:21.210 Wade Richardson: of it now, and so he's a physician.
00:23:22.020 --> 00:23:30.219 Wade Richardson: and, you know, incapable of of saving her, and this would have been a you know. It was a very profound trauma for his family.
00:23:30.230 --> 00:23:59.980 Wade Richardson: and he said that that particular night was the 1st time he was able to actually, you know, let go of his grief. And yeah, just kind of reconcile the death of his daughter. And so I didn't get any story in my experience. But when he shared that with me, I was like, I just completely understood it. And it was like, Wow, like we really shared in that together, and that was really the beginning of it. Of course, you know, continued after that, so.
00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:20.010 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Right? Right? So you happen to mention something. So I think we should. We should talk about this for a minute about him being concerned about people knowing what he was doing with this work, and as my audience, who's watching the live stream can see they're seeing an avatar of Wade Richardson, and they're not seeing Wade Richardson himself.
00:24:20.010 --> 00:24:32.369 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And indeed, even Wade Richardson isn't your actual name, is it so? I'm wondering if, just very briefly, we can talk about? Why, why are you using an avatar? Why is you use? Are you using a pseudonym for this book?
00:24:33.790 --> 00:24:41.060 Wade Richardson: Well, it's interesting, because, of course, you know, you opened the show with your blog post, and it kind of speaks to this interesting
00:24:41.170 --> 00:24:44.090 Wade Richardson: challenge that we used with where, you know, there's
00:24:44.350 --> 00:25:11.339 Wade Richardson: this kind of sole purpose that you know comes through. And certainly that's the case for me in terms of working with psychedelics and various forms of meditation. But at the same time, you know, we're caught in this society where you know most psychedelics, at least, are illegal, and of course, you know there's there's repercussions that can come with that, and I've had friends who, you know it's kind of underground. But then the wrong person finds out, and
00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:30.160 Wade Richardson: there might be a conversation with this person who leads to that person. The next thing the police are at the door right, and that, you know, that's an issue. Of course, the other side of that is, you know, my professional life. People in the work that I'm engaged in are certainly, you know, for the most part materialists, and you know.
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:45.810 Wade Richardson: terms of management. And so that is an issue. Another component is, you know, this is going to be a controversial book. You know, there's some people who are going to be yeah, that totally makes sense. I get it and resonate with it. But for others.
00:25:45.840 --> 00:25:52.509 Wade Richardson: you know, potentially the the religious fundamentalist right is just one example
00:25:52.980 --> 00:26:18.670 Wade Richardson: might really strongly react to it. And I, you know, Martin ball who wrote the Foreword as an example. You know he's been out there. He's written a lot of books on psychedelic. He's a very public figure, and you know, someone at 1 point showed up to his house and vandalized his house because they just weren't happy with the work that he was doing and writing about, and you know this is, he's a family man, right? He has a son and
00:26:18.730 --> 00:26:29.779 Wade Richardson: and a wife, and they, you know, they were forced to to move, and you know I don't want to be faced with those types of headaches, either. So it's it's a you know. It's a difficult place to be in.
00:26:30.050 --> 00:26:40.840 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I mean, it's so interesting, because this work is all about love and compassion and expanding consciousness and being better people. And so to hear that like.
00:26:41.080 --> 00:26:49.520 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: There are some people in society who don't kind of get the message like they're they're they're vehemently opposed to
00:26:50.020 --> 00:26:58.389 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: this whole endeavor. And this whole inquiry myself. Living in New York City. We don't kind of see much of that, but
00:26:58.860 --> 00:27:07.129 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I guess in other parts of the country people still do so. To me. It's kind of a sad commentary on society that
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.719 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: people feel the need to
00:27:11.060 --> 00:27:37.589 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: do violence against someone just because they're exploring a different way of living their life. So I can completely understand. And and this is why I agree to have you come on the show, even though, knowing that we're using your avatar. And that way it isn't your real name. So, but thank you for your bravery, because you never know who might put 1, 2 and 2 together and realize who you are. So thank you.
00:27:39.137 --> 00:27:44.859 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: So I do want to get back to the book. So so you had this experience.
00:27:46.540 --> 00:28:01.839 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And then you know what kind of led you to then decide to want to write a book about it, because it's 1 thing to then say, oh, I had this weird experience. I want to understand it and explore that a little bit more. But it's another thing to decide to write a book about it.
00:28:03.360 --> 00:28:18.219 Wade Richardson: Yeah, no, fair. And it was quite a few years of working with telepathy. It was just something that I did, you know, and it was just kind of. I would meet people through a variety of means. You know. You could argue, you know, through synchronicity, some through friends.
00:28:18.460 --> 00:28:27.179 Wade Richardson: And so the work continued for for a number of years, and you know I was in a severe accident which I mentioned in the book.
00:28:27.340 --> 00:28:35.109 Wade Richardson: and that kind of, you know, threw things into disarray, but it also, at a certain point, created some
00:28:35.370 --> 00:28:41.650 Wade Richardson: openness and time to engage in an activity like this like writing a book.
00:28:42.003 --> 00:28:54.350 Wade Richardson: So I was already thinking of writing another book which was more on psychedelic integration. But it was one of those things as I started writing that that it was kind of that proverbial thing when writing like, write what you know.
00:28:54.400 --> 00:29:14.249 Wade Richardson: And it was like, Yeah, the telepathy thing I just kind of came to me, and it was like no one else is because I started doing some research like what else has been written on this subject, and it turns out that very little has actually been written on it, although funny enough, it gets acknowledged quite often in the literature, but it tends to be like a paragraph in the book
00:29:14.340 --> 00:29:37.219 Wade Richardson: here and there, and there's been the odd, very small study on it. But yeah, there's there's not much on it in terms of again looking at psychedelic telepathy. I mean, there's a lot out there on telepathy, I mean, telepathy writ large is actually very well studied. But in terms of the psychedelic component. Not much is out there, so that that was inspiring for me. And of course, another big component in that is.
00:29:37.660 --> 00:29:56.849 Wade Richardson: you know, kind of getting the word out in terms of what we, as humans are capable of our capacity, and of course, in terms of sharing consciousness, there's a psychonautical exploration there. But when we get into that exploration we find a whole new level of intimacy that we can cannot.
00:29:56.850 --> 00:29:57.170 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Have.
00:29:57.170 --> 00:29:58.810 Wade Richardson: Previously imagined
00:29:58.910 --> 00:30:09.609 Wade Richardson: a much deeper, deeper love, and also the potential to to see each other and act as healers of each other. So I found all of that very compelling.
00:30:09.800 --> 00:30:34.239 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, wonderful, wonderful. Okay, we're going to take our next break when we come back. Let's talk about maybe giving our audience some some ground rules or some basics, for if somebody out there is listening, and they already are using psychedelics. And they want to, you know, explore this as well, like what some basic do's and don'ts around that. Okay.
00:30:34.970 --> 00:30:35.700 Wade Richardson: Sure.
00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:50.230 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Wade Richardson, author of the book, the psychedelic mind, Meld, and we'll be right back in just a moment.
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:44.759 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: So, Wade, if someone's listening to this interview, and they want to pick up a copy of your book, the Psychedelic Mind Meld, they get it. And they want to start doing some of this exploration for themselves. How would you recommend? They start, what are some basic do's and don'ts that they should consider.
00:32:46.060 --> 00:32:53.070 Wade Richardson: Yeah. Well, I think let's 1st say that this is a very big topic. We could spend the rest of the show talking about it. And so I'm going to.
00:32:53.070 --> 00:32:54.240 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Probably many hours.
00:32:54.810 --> 00:33:03.519 Wade Richardson: Yeah, yeah, because we have limited time. I'm just gonna kind of hit the highlights. And of course, for someone who really does want to take a deep dive, they can get the book.
00:33:03.860 --> 00:33:17.290 Wade Richardson: But let's just open by saying, this is an advanced practice, you know. This is not for the neophyte or recreational user. This is, you know, this is actually really hard work. Let's put that in there. But this isn't something that is done for fun.
00:33:17.470 --> 00:33:33.900 Wade Richardson: So in terms of kind of prerequisites. Certainly people want to have experience with psychedelics already. They need to be very familiar with you know what is possible with psychedelics. What you know, the exploration
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:48.529 Wade Richardson: of consciousness diving into the shadow at an energetic level, understanding their own energy. And what you know, processing trauma and clearing energy through the use of psychedelics. What that is like?
00:33:50.560 --> 00:34:02.149 Wade Richardson: so there's all those components. There's some kind of simple things in terms of, you know, being in good medical health, you know, having a good set in terms of, you know, mental, good mental health.
00:34:02.210 --> 00:34:16.030 Wade Richardson: If someone is struggling profoundly with their own trauma, or, you know, some type of mental illness. Those types of things should be well resolved in terms of doing this before doing this type of work.
00:34:16.080 --> 00:34:32.370 Wade Richardson: of course, at the same time recognizing that you know none of us are perfect. We all have our own challenges and and difficulties, and we certainly all have our own shadows, but of course those things can present themselves. So it's there needs to be a comfort with
00:34:32.370 --> 00:34:47.999 Wade Richardson: that arising within oneself, because if you can't deal with your own stuff, so to speak. How are you going to deal with that arising in someone else when you are actually sharing so deeply in that experience, their emotions and the challenges that they are in.
00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:57.719 Wade Richardson: So that's a really big piece. Another piece is, you know, finding the right partner, I mean, ultimately, this is about a huge piece of trust.
00:34:59.036 --> 00:35:04.973 Wade Richardson: You know, you need to find someone that certainly isn't gonna drop into
00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:28.100 Wade Richardson: some type of sexual engagement. We'll come back to that, because that in itself is a really big subject. Yeah, you know, inappropriately, of course, again, someone else that you know, you're working with co-creatively. You know, it's not like someone has this huge ego, and they want to run the show. This has to be a real give and take.
00:35:28.100 --> 00:35:28.520 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:35:28.710 --> 00:35:33.010 Wade Richardson: So there's a partnership in it. So that is very important to kind of.
00:35:33.010 --> 00:35:42.650 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And it sounds like a very deep level of trust is needed, not not a superficial trust, but a really like, you know someone you trust your life with.
00:35:43.040 --> 00:35:58.950 Wade Richardson: Yeah, yeah. So in that context, you know, I think this is something that would be really good for, you know, longer. A longer married couple that has a really solid relationship, and, you know, possibly working within the family, or something at least to get started.
00:35:59.776 --> 00:36:02.340 Wade Richardson: Just to kind of build that foundation.
00:36:02.570 --> 00:36:04.745 Wade Richardson: So there's those components.
00:36:05.710 --> 00:36:25.060 Wade Richardson: and then, yeah, coming back to the sexual piece, I mean, that's that's really complicated. Because, you know, we are sexual beings. It's certainly in my experience. And you know, for all the people I've worked with, it's pretty normal, especially at the beginning of the session, when the psychedelic is coming on, and it depends a little bit on the psychedelic. But
00:36:25.060 --> 00:36:35.730 Wade Richardson: you know that there is kind of this exchange or this opening of of sexual energy, and it tends to be fleeting in most cases lasting anywhere from seconds to maybe a few minutes.
00:36:35.980 --> 00:36:44.120 Wade Richardson: but when engaging with this work, you know we're lying beside each other holding hands, and you know it's not that physical touch is required
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:53.739 Wade Richardson: for telepathy, but it is a way of engaging and kind of, you know, helping us to be very conscious of who we're with, and, you know, kind of where we're targeting our minds.
00:36:54.630 --> 00:37:11.529 Wade Richardson: But again, that type of touch can also, you know, create a sexual energy. And I found it interesting because I identify as a Cis male. And I've worked with both men and women, and it's interesting to see when working with psychedelics, the fluidity
00:37:11.710 --> 00:37:23.279 Wade Richardson: of sexual energy. So it's something to be very aware about, and of course, even talking about it, I find, is a bit of an antidote to working with it in the session.
00:37:23.771 --> 00:37:48.629 Wade Richardson: Just knowing that it's there, because it's really, you know, when working this way, it's it's meant to be kind of seen and observed. You can kind of even try to work into. Well, where is this even coming from within me, and so working through it at a meditative level, and to see that it's it's very fleeting, you know. And so by working past that energy, usually people end up going much deeper.
00:37:48.770 --> 00:38:07.999 Wade Richardson: So again coming back to trust, you know, you have to trust that the person you're working with isn't going to be kind of caught up, shall we say in the sexual energy and act out on it? Because, of course, that crosses all sorts of boundaries, and certainly I recommend in this work that there is no sexual engagement at all.
00:38:08.150 --> 00:38:13.290 Wade Richardson: even with the married couple. It's like, if you're going to do that, you know all of that is planned out.
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:34.490 Wade Richardson: In advance. So because there are complexities, and it's like, you know, are you looking to create? Let's say, you know, with a consenting couple drop into sexuality? Or are you working in towards a much deeper telepathic connection? So you know, those types of things need to be navigated ahead of the session. So.
00:38:34.908 --> 00:38:42.600 Wade Richardson: yeah, so I think those are kind of the big high points. We we could talk more about all of those. But I think that captures it in a nutshell.
00:38:42.790 --> 00:38:43.390 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: So.
00:38:44.890 --> 00:38:54.460 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: thank you, for that's very good and very foundational. It's really understanding sort of the the basics of
00:38:55.326 --> 00:38:58.310 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: any kind of altered.
00:38:58.670 --> 00:39:11.799 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: altered state of consciousness, and being very mindful of who you're with, of the set, the setting, the surrounding, that the substance, all of that comes into play.
00:39:12.100 --> 00:39:16.180 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Is there anything that you learned from
00:39:16.310 --> 00:39:26.119 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: endeavors into sort of telepathy and psychic phenomena in general, outside of psychedelics that you found very important to consider when you're
00:39:26.230 --> 00:39:27.860 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: bringing the 2 together.
00:39:30.310 --> 00:39:56.709 Wade Richardson: Yeah, well, that's I think you're the 1st person that's actually asked that. And yes, absolutely. You know, it's I've done a lot of research into out of body experiencing. You know that there's the near death experiencing work and other modalities like that. Of course, Shamanism touches a lot of that work as well in terms of leaving the body. But what I'm coming back to is really the power of thought, form.
00:39:56.840 --> 00:40:14.850 Wade Richardson: and thought form is amazingly powerful, and I would argue that most people, especially in Western society, don't understand how true that is, and especially when you're, you know, in a holotropic or altered state of consciousness, you know, especially like, if you're out of your body.
00:40:15.050 --> 00:40:20.330 Wade Richardson: basically, your mindstream creates your reality and.
00:40:20.330 --> 00:40:20.910 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: It's.
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.229 Wade Richardson: You know, in that context, it's kind of like.
00:40:24.350 --> 00:40:43.559 Wade Richardson: and that's not in an absolute way, because of, you know, if we really want to take a deeper dive. There's the collective unconscious. So we can drop into that. And it's kind of if we can kind of come back to the dream world. So it's like, Okay, so you wake up in your dream and you become lucid. So, being lucid in a dream, of course would be.
00:40:43.560 --> 00:41:01.429 Wade Richardson: I'm aware that I'm dreaming, and I can shift what is happening in the dream. But you know, rarely can people, you know, look into the sky. It's a blue sky and go. Oh, I want a purple sky, because the environment is kind of much deeper at kind of again, that collective, unconscious, almost archetypal level
00:41:01.550 --> 00:41:13.899 Wade Richardson: which is usually, you know, for most people going to be not possible to change, but at the same time they can use the thought form of Hey, I want to fly, and so they can, you know, start to fly in their lucid dream.
00:41:14.610 --> 00:41:38.589 Wade Richardson: So again, working with thought, form is a very powerful important thing to be aware of, and it's, you know, to come back to the example of when I was in Mexico, you know, I drop into this meditation of opened heart meditation towards my friend. Right? And so I talk about that as a meditation technique in the book, because that thought form of connection
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.339 Wade Richardson: is enough to actually create the connection.
00:41:43.450 --> 00:41:52.910 Wade Richardson: So thought form is extremely powerful. And that's again something we could talk more about. But yeah, that kind of gives the highlight of its importance.
00:41:53.150 --> 00:42:19.060 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I find it interesting, because I'm thinking back to other interviews that I've done like Christopher Batech, who wrote the book Lsd. In the mind of the universe. Who did these, you know, over 70 high dose Lsd. Sessions to explore, like the fundamental nature, the ontological nature of the universe. And recently I had on Paul Levy, who wrote the book, The Wetiko, and the quantum revelation, talking about how.
00:42:19.140 --> 00:42:32.020 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: according to quantum physics, reality, it's like the analogy of a dream is actually reality on a on a very fundamental quantum physics level.
00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:57.260 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And so it kind of to me, it's it sounds like this is a reinforcement of those ideas that actually reality is a dream, and perhaps psychedelics is a way of accessing it. To be sort of like a waking dream, like to be able to sort of access the dreamlike
00:42:57.460 --> 00:43:05.730 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: quality of reality in a way that when we're in normal consciousness is is a little more challenging to access.
00:43:07.570 --> 00:43:33.929 Wade Richardson: Yeah, I fully agree with that. I've read those books. And yeah, certainly resonate with what those men have written. And I talk about this in the integration section of the book as well. Like, basically, life is a dream, you know. So it's kind of one of those things we can have all of these, you know, variety of experiences with psychedelics, whether we're doing so telepathy and shared consciousness or individually. And you know, it's it's it's very
00:43:34.240 --> 00:43:37.330 Wade Richardson: interesting, because the ego, of course, wants to.
00:43:37.690 --> 00:43:55.869 Wade Richardson: you know, create a bigger self-esteem and a greatness for itself, and in that it creates a lot of delusion. Right. So it's kind of that proverbial thing. Someone takes a psychedelic. They have a connection to the cosmic Christ, or something like it. And all of a sudden, oh, I am Jesus Christ.
00:43:55.870 --> 00:43:56.890 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Well.
00:43:56.890 --> 00:44:13.319 Wade Richardson: At one level you could say, Well, that's true, because we all are Jesus Christ in terms of all resonating with Christ consciousness at a deeper level. But the delusion, of course, comes where it's like, no, I am Jesus Christ. I have a mission. No one else is Jesus Christ. I am the reincarnated one, and.
00:44:14.065 --> 00:44:14.460 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Like.
00:44:14.460 --> 00:44:15.410 Wade Richardson: It's the loop.
00:44:15.550 --> 00:44:22.309 Wade Richardson: And I, strangely, I've actually met some of those people who really do believe and claim that.
00:44:22.310 --> 00:44:22.800 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:44:24.450 --> 00:44:30.030 Wade Richardson: Yeah, right? So it's kind of one of those difficult things that needs to be navigated. And
00:44:30.150 --> 00:44:37.380 Wade Richardson: yeah, just kind of work through in terms of well, what is reality? And I keep coming back to the dream like, Don't hang on to anything too tightly.
00:44:37.380 --> 00:45:01.639 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Right? Exactly exactly that we're actually creating these visions that we're getting. It's actually coming from us really quickly. You just mentioned something that brought up a question in my mind if somebody wants to do sort of psychic development work but doesn't have a partner on psychedelics. Is it possible for them to sort of practice.
00:45:01.680 --> 00:45:07.589 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: telepathy, or some kind of psychic development, while on psychedelics as well by themselves.
00:45:08.630 --> 00:45:20.000 Wade Richardson: Well, I would say not the telepathy part, but it's something. Yeah, I've certainly explored. There's an article I wrote for an Australian magazine
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:35.889 Wade Richardson: a little while back. That explores that very subject. And it's so. It's like, you know, in terms of targeting psychic development, working again with particular thought forms. And I think a really big one is leaving the body, because you know, to leave the body.
00:45:36.170 --> 00:45:58.370 Wade Richardson: whether you're using psychedelics or not is is a really big deal, and it, you know, if you really kind of dive into the literature, it requires a full reprogramming of the subconscious mind, and you know it is something I've done without psychedelics, but it it's very difficult for me to do without psychedelics. I'd argue for most people. But you know there are some people. It just comes naturally to.
00:45:58.370 --> 00:45:58.730 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:45:58.730 --> 00:46:06.890 Wade Richardson: And there are these, you know, if there's this literature and and there's a lot of different techniques for doing it. But it does require, you know, a fair amount of work.
00:46:07.570 --> 00:46:30.799 Wade Richardson: including, you know, like a fairly common place for a jumping off point into out of body. Experience is the lucid dream. But you know, even becoming lucid in the dream. Someone, you know. Yeah, they have to become aware of their dream world first.st Right? So and surprisingly, that's not that difficult. A lot of people will say, well, I don't dream, and which is just not true. Right? I mean, from the
00:46:31.350 --> 00:46:33.519 Wade Richardson: research, we know that people are having
00:46:33.640 --> 00:46:37.779 Wade Richardson: upwards of 5 dreams a night if they're having a you know, a decent sleep.
00:46:38.210 --> 00:46:43.800 Wade Richardson: and you know just little things like you know, going to bed and
00:46:44.160 --> 00:47:07.370 Wade Richardson: recognizing, hey? I dream every night and just reminding myself, Hey, I'm going to remember my dreams. I'm going to have good dreams, and that is a good starting point. And then, of course, in the morning, you know, waking up, and the 1st thing that comes to mind I know I was dreaming. What were my dreams? Another little piece to that. This is kind of difficult, but not moving the body, because it turns out that as you move the body, that kind of distracts a lot from the dream world.
00:47:07.370 --> 00:47:07.590 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:47:07.810 --> 00:47:24.230 Wade Richardson: Just, you know, these types of little things. And like, I say, there's a lot of literature out there. So there's you know, you kind of draw from the literature. And then you start to work with those thought forms in the psychedelic realm as an individual again, like, just if you're on your own.
00:47:24.830 --> 00:47:33.819 Wade Richardson: Hey? Yeah, I want to leave my body, you know, and then, of course, you know, maybe setting a destination. And you know, doing the remote viewing or something like that. So there's lots of potential out there.
00:47:33.820 --> 00:47:41.970 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I've I not all the time, but many times have have tried to engage in lucid dreaming, and
00:47:42.480 --> 00:48:08.679 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: the once or twice that I've actually been aware of being of dreaming when I was in the dream was not when I was trying to do one of the techniques of doing lucid dreaming. I haven't been able to really get it on command, so to speak. But I'm not done trying yet. All right. We got to take our last break of the show when we come back. I'm going to ask you about maybe some caveats and maybe play a little bit of devil's advocate around this. Okay.
00:48:09.370 --> 00:48:10.439 Wade Richardson: Sounds good.
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:22.280 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: All right. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We'll be right back with my guest, Wade Richardson, author of the book, The Psychedelic Mind, Meld. In just a moment.
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:13.120 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: So, Wade, for someone who wants to engage in this exploration of telepathy and sort of psychic development while on psychedelics.
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:20.029 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: What are some things to be careful of that can can keep us from going off track.
00:50:23.690 --> 00:50:29.033 Wade Richardson: Yeah, yeah, it's a really good question. I think we've already began to touch on some of that
00:50:30.090 --> 00:50:50.880 Wade Richardson: in terms of again working with the partner. It's like, you know, we're sharing each other's emotions. We're potentially sharing each other's trauma again. You know, we are potentially even leaving our bodies together and journeying, you know, through the universe, so to speak, together. But you know it's 1 of those things where
00:50:51.480 --> 00:51:20.019 Wade Richardson: we can get caught in the trap of like we drop in. And all of a sudden, you know, there's this really difficult energy coming up. And and we can end up potentially projecting in terms of, you know, like just kind of pushing away from it. Oh, you know, that's their stuff. It's you know. I don't want to deal with that. And whatever right. And it's 1 of those things where I really encourage this kind of the view of the Bodhisattva in terms of coming in with, and not just the Bodhisattva, but also kind of the non dual approach.
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.370 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Where all of it is me.
00:51:22.590 --> 00:51:26.570 Wade Richardson: I will accept any of the difficulty that arises.
00:51:26.740 --> 00:51:44.120 Wade Richardson: and the Bodhisattva piece, of course, is to drop in at a compassionate level, and you know, and at a loving level, in terms of accepting the other person, you know, essentially as myself, and and having a very deep compassion for whatever comes up, and whatever difficulty comes up.
00:51:44.420 --> 00:51:49.510 Wade Richardson: and recognizing that you know shadow elements are within all of us.
00:51:49.660 --> 00:51:59.429 Wade Richardson: So it's 1 of those things where you know we are all a mosaic of parts. We have all of the personality parts potentially within us. And it's just, you know, dependent on
00:51:59.860 --> 00:52:26.570 Wade Richardson: again, some of the stuff that you pointed out at the very beginning of the show in your blog post. We're affected by all of these different things in terms of, you know the environment, our parental upbringing, you know, society at large, the culture, etc. Etc. So we're very programmed. And just to kind of recognize that you know who we are is often a result of these various programs. But at the bigger level we are a mosaic of all personality, and they can show up at any time.
00:52:26.610 --> 00:52:36.369 Wade Richardson: And so those things are to be worked through. And that's 1 of the big things in terms of this type of engagement that it is work. It can be really difficult.
00:52:36.907 --> 00:52:47.200 Wade Richardson: At the very same time that it can be very liberating, healing, and you know you can enter heavenly realms together. So all of these things are possible.
00:52:47.420 --> 00:52:48.689 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I'm up.
00:52:49.150 --> 00:52:52.959 Wade Richardson: I also talked about, you know, just kind of briefly
00:52:54.610 --> 00:53:02.599 Wade Richardson: the challenge of delusion, right and fantasy. So you know those things are possible, and this.
00:53:02.600 --> 00:53:03.090 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I want to.
00:53:03.090 --> 00:53:04.280 Wade Richardson: You know. Go ahead!
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:11.399 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I want to touch upon that for a moment, because I remember years ago, long time ago, before I got back into medicine work.
00:53:11.896 --> 00:53:17.390 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I went to a meeting of this organization that's all around out of body experience.
00:53:17.500 --> 00:53:22.350 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And I remember asking the person who was like doing the presentation
00:53:22.620 --> 00:53:34.569 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: about. You know. What about? You know people who do psychedelics, and they have these out of body experiences, or how do you consider that? And they and they had sort of a negative opinion of it. The guy said that
00:53:35.310 --> 00:53:42.829 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: you know, I said why. And he said, Well, when we have people following quote unquote our techniques.
00:53:42.970 --> 00:53:54.120 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: 2 people can have an out of body experience and see the same thing. But then, if there's a 3rd person who who's using substances, they'll see something completely different.
00:53:54.300 --> 00:54:04.799 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: So I'm just curious. What's your take on that? I mean, we already talked about sort of this, and this is what you're about to get into the delusion and the thinking. But like is it?
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:12.779 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Is it so different from maybe the reality that other people are seeing who are not using psychedelics.
00:54:14.890 --> 00:54:33.880 Wade Richardson: Well, I think that's a very complex subject, and I think a very short answer is, No, you know that there's a ton of overlap, and it comes also back to thought form, and again our own, you know, biographical story, so to speak. So I can, for example, you know, be in shared consciousness.
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:54.580 Wade Richardson: And it's like I might see, for example, like, let's say we, you know, we come across something scary or like like a boogeyman. Right? So let's say that you know a bear is chasing me. But it might be to the other person that something other than a bear is chasing them. Maybe maybe it's a tiger.
00:54:54.660 --> 00:55:18.390 Wade Richardson: but it's, you know, because what is happening is that there's an energy that's coming at a person. And then it's our biography that puts, let's say, the avatar on top of the energy. So I you know my history is like I have more familiarity with bears. So I put a bear on top of that, you know, whatever that energy is that is bringing fear into me, whereas the other person might put a tiger on it.
00:55:18.650 --> 00:55:33.530 Wade Richardson: So you know, you get into the out of body literature. And that's pretty common, too, where it's complicated, because it's like, well, you know, there's all these different maps. But if you kind of really come back to well, what is the function of these various discarnate beings?
00:55:34.390 --> 00:55:56.849 Wade Richardson: That's where you, I think a better place is to step into in terms of, you know, like there's a gatekeeper, or a facilitator, or a healing energy, or something that comes through kind of more at an archetypal level as opposed to. I see a particular face on something, and when you start to get into that stuff I think it gets even more complex because
00:55:57.430 --> 00:56:00.840 Wade Richardson: our own biography puts layers
00:56:01.330 --> 00:56:11.170 Wade Richardson: onto your, you know, onto these different energies at an avatar level will say, but at the same time you have a discarnate being that approaches you
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:22.100 Wade Richardson: because you know discarnate beings are by name. They can read into you and see well, what is that this person going to be most comfortable? With what avatar should I with carnate
00:56:22.780 --> 00:56:30.839 Wade Richardson: in order to make them comfortable, you know. So again, we don't have much time to get into this, because it's such a complex subject. But.
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:32.149 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I just wanted to.
00:56:32.430 --> 00:56:58.070 Wade Richardson: You know, provide some ideas that this is really broad and vast, and there's just so many things going on that I don't want people to oversimplify, you know, are we, you know, seeing the same thing or not? And that is the answer, like in a very short, summative way, because we may or may not, but this comes back to the dream in terms of being more loose with our interpretations.
00:56:58.070 --> 00:57:00.879 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Right, hold it lightly, hold it lightly.
00:57:01.350 --> 00:57:07.779 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Very quick question for you is the engagement with psychedelics a spiritual practice.
00:57:09.570 --> 00:57:23.579 Wade Richardson: Yeah, absolutely it is. It's definitely it goes back to what I opened with at the beginning of the show was the Praying Mantis and the opening of my heart to spirituality. And that was the beginning. And it's just been nothing but expansiveness since then. It's just.
00:57:23.580 --> 00:57:24.130 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Sports.
00:57:24.130 --> 00:57:24.780 Wade Richardson: Beautiful.
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:38.260 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful. Thank you so much, Wade. I really. I wish we had a couple of more hours to dive really deep into these subjects. I could really chat with you about this forever. Any books in the works for the future.
00:57:39.450 --> 00:57:49.099 Wade Richardson: I am working on another book, but I'm reluctant to talk about it other than to say it's on mysticism, and I guess you could say on thought form as well, that we.
00:57:49.100 --> 00:57:49.460 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: One.
00:57:49.460 --> 00:57:51.150 Wade Richardson: Briefly discussed the power.
00:57:51.150 --> 00:57:55.330 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Let me know when you come out with it. I'd love to have you back on the show, and we can talk about it.
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:57.290 Wade Richardson: Yeah, sounds great. Sam, thank you.
00:57:57.290 --> 00:57:57.970 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: I think.
00:57:57.970 --> 00:58:00.360 Wade Richardson: For your show. I think it's you're doing great work.
00:58:00.730 --> 00:58:06.529 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. You know, I like taking a grounded approach to things, but also
00:58:06.740 --> 00:58:22.259 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: in particular, I'm very much interested in psychedelics. I'm also very much interested in spirituality, and I've touched. I've talked about both of these topics on the show separately, but this is sort of a nice coming together of those 2 topics, because
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:47.290 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: for me, I also believe that engagement in sacred substances and psychedelics is a spiritual practice. It's not just about healing. It's not just about mental health, although it can help our mental health, and it can provide a lot of healing. But for me, I'm more interested in the higher consciousness, spiritual development really connecting to the deeper part of ourselves in the universe. So thank you for bringing it together.
00:58:48.160 --> 00:59:07.939 Wade Richardson: Yeah, yeah, you're welcome. And I just to say one little. Add to that is that in sharing consciousness we can, we can step into the non-dual together, and in that we are experiencing our godlike self. So at the very highest level, which is the direction I always want to be moving towards is towards God. Realization.
00:59:08.180 --> 00:59:08.870 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:59:09.090 --> 00:59:37.490 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: And a friend of mine does something called mutual awakening. So Google that and see Patricia Albert. Very interesting kind of practice. Anyway, we're over time. Thank you so much. Thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in without you there is no show, and don't forget if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talkradio dot, Nyc. And on all your favorite podcasting platforms, apple spotify Pandora Iheartradio. The Conscious consultant hour
00:59:37.490 --> 00:59:44.450 Sam Liebowitz |The Conscious Consultant: is on all of them. Thank you all for tuning in. Take care we will talk to you all next week.
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