This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Astrologer and Author, Steven Forrest.
Steven is the author of seventeen books, including The Inner Sky, Yesterday’s Sky, The Book(s) of Fire, Earth, Air and Water, and The Endless Sky. His work has been translated into a dozen languages and he has traveled worldwide to teach his brand of choice-centered evolutionary astrology – an integrative system that marries grounded humanistic psychology and ancient metaphysics, placing them in the context of free will and personal responsibility.
Currently Steven and his team teach online at the Forrest Center for Evolutionary Astrology. In 2018 he won the coveted Regulus Award for astrological education at the United Astrology Congress.
Steven believes that Evolutionary Astrology is a celebration of human freedom, choice and imagination. He says that it is your “fate” only to face certain questions and certain possibilities in this lifetime. Beyond that, there is no use for the word. Skilled evolutionary astrologers are coaches, not prophets. They help you find your own path and they support you in having the faith and the confidence to navigate it. That is what he has dedicated his life to.
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In this soul-nourishing opening segment of The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam Liebowitz reminds us of the profound healing power found in a safe, supportive community. When we are held in a space of vulnerability and acceptance, our nervous systems can relax, releasing deeply rooted trauma in a way that individual therapy alone may not achieve. Sam shares a powerful personal reflection from a group ceremony, reinforcing that when we feel truly safe with others, we can begin to reconnect to our authentic selves and heal from within.
In this segment of The Conscious Consultant Hour, astrologer Stephen Forrest shares his view that astrology is both an ancient science and a profound art—an intuitive system of guidance rather than deterministic fate. He emphasizes astrology as a tool for personal empowerment, offering insights that support conscious choice and self-understanding, rather than limiting free will. Through his own story of transformation during a Uranus transit, Stephen illustrates how aligning with one's authentic self can unlock unexpected opportunities, revealing the universe’s magic when we embrace our true path.
In this segment of The Conscious Consultant Hour, astrologer Stephen Forrest shares the inspiration behind his four elemental astrology books—Fire, Earth, Air, and Water—which he created as comprehensive guides and core texts for his astrology school. He explains how each zodiac sign reflects a unique set of core values and life lessons, encouraging individuals to align with their own truth as a path to fulfillment and authenticity. Stephen emphasizes that astrology isn't about generic advice, but rather about honoring our individuality—helping us understand which paths resonate with our soul's specific karmic journey, much like each snowflake, alike in structure but infinitely unique in form.
In this final segment of The Conscious Consultant Hour, astrologer Stephen Forrest explains the foundation of evolutionary astrology—a soul-centered approach that embraces conscious growth, karmic development, and the possibility of past-life influences. He emphasizes that astrology isn’t about predicting a static personality, but about understanding the lessons we’ve come here to learn and the choices we’re meant to grow through. As Pluto transitions into Aquarius until 2044, Stephen offers a hopeful yet grounded message: this era may ignite progressive transformation globally, but with it comes the challenge of confronting the shadow side of progress—inviting us all to navigate this wild ride with awareness, authenticity, and intention.
00:00:45.380 --> 00:00:57.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Good morning. Good evening. Wherever you're tuning in from welcome to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity.
00:00:57.830 --> 00:01:19.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got a wonderful show in store for you today with a gentleman I'm really looking forward to bringing on. But first, st of course, we have my blog post from a couple of years ago, and let's get to it because I want to get the show moving. So we're starting off with this blog post, which is entitled.
00:01:20.330 --> 00:01:23.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The Intimacy of a Safe Community.
00:01:23.630 --> 00:01:26.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is far more healing than we realize.
00:01:27.870 --> 00:01:31.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Experiences build up over a lifetime.
00:01:31.360 --> 00:01:36.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: being bullied, made fun of, abused, or just plain harassed.
00:01:36.450 --> 00:01:40.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They all affect us in ways we don't realize.
00:01:40.670 --> 00:01:45.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and over the course of time they cause a shift inside of us.
00:01:46.020 --> 00:01:49.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is a shift inside our nervous system.
00:01:49.890 --> 00:01:55.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our bodies learn not to feel safe because we weren't.
00:01:56.380 --> 00:02:04.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our nervous system learns to shut down be hypervigilant, or some other form of Ptsd.
00:02:05.240 --> 00:02:11.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we suffer enough and we can no longer stand the pain we seek help.
00:02:12.740 --> 00:02:17.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: whether it is professional help or some kind of alternative help.
00:02:17.530 --> 00:02:21.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We just know we need to do something.
00:02:22.430 --> 00:02:29.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for we can no longer live the way we have been living for many years, or perhaps decades.
00:02:30.180 --> 00:02:35.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We seek healing therapy, or something more extreme.
00:02:35.940 --> 00:02:43.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes the treatments we seek help quite a bit, and sometimes not
00:02:44.060 --> 00:02:50.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yet when the cause of the suffering comes from a deep sense of being unsafe.
00:02:51.050 --> 00:02:54.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: there may be a much simpler solution.
00:02:55.460 --> 00:02:57.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: one that is easy to overlook.
00:02:58.510 --> 00:03:05.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for when we come together in a safe, intimate space with an open-hearted community.
00:03:05.940 --> 00:03:10.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: our nervous system can respond quite profoundly
00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:18.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when we are in a group that supports being vulnerable with each other, and we share our own traumas.
00:03:19.020 --> 00:03:29.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Something magical happens as we hear others share their pain and their tragedies. We no longer feel so alone
00:03:30.250 --> 00:03:34.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we can relate to others, and they can relate to us
00:03:35.370 --> 00:03:43.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for a strong and safe energetic group. Container breeds intimacy and vulnerability.
00:03:44.690 --> 00:03:53.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and in those intimate and vulnerable moments, we suddenly feel safe, safe to express ourselves.
00:03:53.620 --> 00:03:58.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or safe enough to connect to others without being defensive.
00:03:59.190 --> 00:04:09.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: An accepting and supportive group that creates this kind of space immediately helps us to release the feeling that we are not safe.
00:04:10.670 --> 00:04:19.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The connection we feel, and the generosity of listening to our pain can help us release all kinds of symptoms.
00:04:20.610 --> 00:04:27.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It gives our nervous system a positive experience to counteract the negative ones.
00:04:28.520 --> 00:04:36.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: whereas when we seek individual treatment on our own. We do not have a sense of community or safety in the same way.
00:04:37.450 --> 00:04:40.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, we may find healing that way.
00:04:41.030 --> 00:04:47.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yet. The healing we find in a safe community can be far deeper and more long lasting.
00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This may not be true for everyone who is suffering.
00:04:52.070 --> 00:04:56.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That is true more often than we realize.
00:04:56.900 --> 00:05:02.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is not a magic bullet, yet it is truly magical.
00:05:03.690 --> 00:05:14.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So when we struggle with the pain of our past traumas, sometimes the best help we can find is in the community we feel safest in.
00:05:15.900 --> 00:05:21.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you have an accepting community that you feel safe enough to share your pain with.
00:05:23.340 --> 00:05:25.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if not, can you find one?
00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:30.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So this blog post I wrote a couple of years ago.
00:05:31.280 --> 00:05:38.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it and it was after being part of of a group ceremony and seeing how
00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: at the beginning of the ceremony, people
00:05:41.540 --> 00:05:47.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: showed up as basically strangers didn't really know each other that well.
00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:56.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then throughout the evening they started to open up, they started to share what they had experienced.
00:05:57.090 --> 00:06:00.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and something really magical happened. There were these 2 gentlemen there
00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:10.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who both had become mental health professionals who both came from the southeast.
00:06:12.290 --> 00:06:16.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who all of us who both suffered similar traumas.
00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:35.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who had a very similar family dynamics, very similar experiences growing up, and even like even more similar things like within their families and everything. It was truly amazing. And you could just see as they connected and shared with each other through the night.
00:06:36.190 --> 00:06:39.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: their whole being just relaxed.
00:06:39.960 --> 00:06:50.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You could see it on their face in their posture, and just how they? They were talking to each other and then to everyone else in the group.
00:06:51.450 --> 00:06:56.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and although I've been saying this for a long time.
00:06:56.370 --> 00:07:05.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it was just something to actually see what I know in my heart to be true, to actually see it playing out in front of me.
00:07:05.850 --> 00:07:08.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and so that was the
00:07:08.290 --> 00:07:12.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the, the inspiration for this blog post.
00:07:13.010 --> 00:07:14.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so it's 1 that
00:07:15.620 --> 00:07:20.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know. I talk a lot about community. I mention it on my show many times.
00:07:22.260 --> 00:07:26.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But I've really, truly come to appreciate that
00:07:29.790 --> 00:07:32.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when we fine people
00:07:33.490 --> 00:07:45.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and they don't have to be the same ethnicity, the same religion, the same belief structure. They don't, you know, from the same country or whatever? No, they can be from anywhere in the world.
00:07:46.850 --> 00:07:49.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But if we truly feel safe with them.
00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That sense of safety and community
00:07:55.170 --> 00:08:01.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on an unconscious, on a nervous system level just causes us to stop
00:08:02.020 --> 00:08:13.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: being so defensive, holding so tight, and allows us to relax, to just show up a little more authentically.
00:08:14.200 --> 00:08:18.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a little more who we are, and to share our truth.
00:08:19.310 --> 00:08:22.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now, now, look if if you've had, you know.
00:08:22.880 --> 00:08:35.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: horrendous trauma and abuse when you were younger. Of course you want to work with a professional and individual. Therapeutic practices are infinitely valuable.
00:08:39.220 --> 00:08:44.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: However, in that pursuit of the individual therapy.
00:08:44.820 --> 00:08:51.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I just also recommend finding a group container that can hold you.
00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and can also benefit that other side. That other piece of us.
00:08:58.710 --> 00:09:03.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: not just as individuals, but as part of a collective.
00:09:03.900 --> 00:09:08.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know human beings are social creatures, and and and
00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how we show up in community and how safe we are and what the community is like.
00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:16.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There's real value in that.
00:09:17.380 --> 00:09:41.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that's my blog post. It is entitled The Intimacy of a safe community is far more healing than we realize. And of course you can find my blog on my personal branded website, theconsciousconsultant.com, and on the Talkradio dot Nyc. website@talkradio.nyc slash blog.
00:09:42.430 --> 00:09:53.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay? So now it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show author and astrologer extraordinaire. Stephen Forrest.
00:09:53.320 --> 00:10:22.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Stephen is the author of 17 books. Wow! I mean, I've written one book, and I've been part of 3 other books, but 17 geez, including the inner sky, yesterday's sky, the books of fire, earth, air, and water, and the endless sky. His work has been translated into a dozen different languages, and he has traveled around the world to teach his brand of choice-centered
00:10:22.260 --> 00:10:37.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: evolutionary astrology. Say, that's 5 times fast. An integrative system that marries grounded humanistic psychology and ancient metaphysics, placing them in the context of free will and personal responsibility.
00:10:37.700 --> 00:10:43.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Currently, Stephen and his team teach online at the Forest Center for evolutionary astrology.
00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:55.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In 2018 he won the coveted Regulus Award for Astrological education at the United Astrology Conference Congress. I didn't know there was a United Astrology Congress.
00:10:55.960 --> 00:11:02.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Stephen believes that evolutionary astrology is a celebration of human freedom, choice, and imagination.
00:11:02.570 --> 00:11:24.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He says that it is your fate only to face certain questions and certain possibilities in this lifetime. Beyond that there is no use for the word skilled. Evolutionary astrologers are coaches, not prophets. They help you find your own path, and they support you in having the faith and the confidence to navigate it.
00:11:24.490 --> 00:11:30.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That is what he has dedicated his life to welcome to the conscious consultant hour. Stephen.
00:11:30.340 --> 00:11:33.509 Steven Forrest: It's it's a delight to be here, Sam. Thank you for having me.
00:11:33.992 --> 00:11:38.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: My pleasure, my pleasure! So I'm I'm curious like.
00:11:39.070 --> 00:11:52.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how did you 1st get curious about astrology? I mean, you know, becoming a world class astrologer. I don't remember too many kids when I was in elementary school or junior high school thinking, oh, that's what I want to do when I grow up.
00:11:52.090 --> 00:11:57.894 Steven Forrest: My High School guidance. Counselor never mentioned it once.
00:11:58.913 --> 00:11:59.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's right.
00:11:59.660 --> 00:12:13.810 Steven Forrest: It's a it's a good question. It's really 2, 2 paths converged and one was. I was kind of a smart kid, conditioned socially to be on the science track, basically.
00:12:14.350 --> 00:12:34.580 Steven Forrest: And I was living probably 3 or 4 miles north of where you're sitting now, up in Mount Vernon, New York. And I became obsessed with amateur astronomy, you know, looking through telescopes through the atmospheric muck of the 19 sixties and the ground lights, I was lucky to see the moon on a good night.
00:12:34.580 --> 00:12:35.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:38.950 Steven Forrest: But I was obsessed, and had a sense of
00:12:39.460 --> 00:12:47.009 Steven Forrest: not not just scientific apprehension of what I was looking at through telescopes, but but a feeling of magic. You know, it's like this.
00:12:47.010 --> 00:12:47.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This must.
00:12:47.820 --> 00:13:12.879 Steven Forrest: Means something that you know. It's like this galaxy I'm looking at through the eyepiece. I think it's looking back at me, you know, a totally subjective feeling, but it was real for me, and the second track, when I was about 13, I met a person I perceived as a woman, because I think she was probably 16, and she taught me palmistry.
00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:39.609 Steven Forrest: the symbols of palmistry, and you have on your hand a plane of Venus, a plane of Jupiter. A palmistry is organized intellectually the same way that astrology is. And so these 2 tracks sort of converged. When I got I was maybe 17, and I realized forlornly the only way I was ever going to get to hold hands with a girl was to do palmistry.
00:13:41.601 --> 00:13:44.170 Steven Forrest: I'm half joking, but not by much, and.
00:13:44.170 --> 00:13:44.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:13:45.210 --> 00:13:52.619 Steven Forrest: And the fateful moment literally, I'm 17, and had my tonsils out.
00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:58.169 Steven Forrest: and and recovery a little little old for tonsillectomy in those days, and.
00:13:58.170 --> 00:13:58.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:13:58.880 --> 00:14:26.260 Steven Forrest: My mom says, can I get you a book? And I said, Yeah, get me an astrology book. It raised her eyebrows a little bit. But she had no problem with that, and I got an awful astrology book, and I realized, you know, there's truth hiding in all this idiocy. And those 2 paths just crashed together, and it was like a fusion reactor and boom. You know I never let go. I've been doing it ever since then.
00:14:26.580 --> 00:14:44.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow! That's so interesting. When I was in high school I took an astronomy course elective, and we went to the local college and remember that the Professor? He had some connection with the college, and they had this big Celestron telescope, you know, one of those really fat ones.
00:14:44.520 --> 00:14:45.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yeah.
00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:55.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I remember the middle of winter when it's freezing cold, and that's when you could see clearly. We go up to the roof of the buildings and actually got to see through that celestron, the rings of Saturn.
00:14:55.290 --> 00:14:55.760 Steven Forrest: Yeah.
00:14:55.760 --> 00:14:57.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I was like. Now, now you see.
00:14:58.020 --> 00:15:02.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that just encouraged me to want to be an astronaut.
00:15:02.970 --> 00:15:03.290 Steven Forrest: I'm.
00:15:03.290 --> 00:15:18.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Fortunately I've been wearing glasses since I was in 3rd grade, and at the time the only way to become an astronaut was to go through the Air Force, and you had to have perfect vision and wearing glasses from 3rd grade. This was long before Lasik was around.
00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:19.370 Steven Forrest: Okay.
00:15:19.370 --> 00:15:27.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It wasn't a chance on that. So wow, I can appreciate that wonderful. All right. Listen. We're going to take our 1st break when we come back.
00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:53.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I have some basic questions around astrology that I kind of sort of know the answer. But I want to hear from your perspective, and also to engage our audience, but also, and then from there I want to go into your particular flavor of astrology, because I've learned, like there are as many flavors of astrology as there are ice cream flavors of baskin robbins, aren't there?
00:15:53.680 --> 00:15:54.610 Steven Forrest: Absolutely.
00:15:54.610 --> 00:16:14.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to one Pm. Eastern time right here on Talkradio, dot Nyc. And all over social media, and we'll be right back with our guest, Stephen Forrest, in just a moment.
00:17:59.550 --> 00:18:28.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. We're speaking this week with Stephen Forrest, author of the book, The Inner Sky, the endless sky, and 15 other books about astrology. I'm amazed that you've written so many books. So, Stephen, I would love to just get your perspective on a couple of questions, general questions around astrology before we dive deep in the 1st being.
00:18:28.090 --> 00:18:30.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how old is astrology?
00:18:31.070 --> 00:18:57.080 Steven Forrest: Yeah, that's a really slippery, slippery question academically. The official answer, which I fervently believe to be completely incorrect is a little bit over 2,000 years that in maybe the second century BC. Astrology, as we kind of understand it today, began to be developed by the Greeks.
00:18:57.080 --> 00:19:01.330 Steven Forrest: Now the Greeks themselves said, we got it from the Egyptians.
00:19:01.450 --> 00:19:28.640 Steven Forrest: but we can't find any particular record from the Egyptians, except the alignment of the pyramids with the stars of Orion's belt and things like that. Clearly our ancestors were obsessed with the heavens. Some of the oldest human artifacts we have are little chips out in bone that are clearly registering moon phases, you know, like the 29 days, the 29
00:19:28.670 --> 00:19:46.019 Steven Forrest: chips and the bone and such. And and you know these these Cromanian people. They weren't coolly doing science and drinking coffee out of Styrofoam cups. There was a magical sense of a relationship with this guy. I think astrology.
00:19:46.020 --> 00:20:10.779 Steven Forrest: I think it's fair to say it's more ancient than humanity. Not just that. It's always worked, but but I believe even early hominids probably had some sense of the magic of the sky. And just one more line. A quick test of that is just anybody. Go out at night and have a look, and it's like, Oh, my God! You know we feel something when we look at them.
00:20:10.780 --> 00:20:12.310 Steven Forrest: Sky. It's magical.
00:20:12.570 --> 00:20:29.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yes, and and I know that in ancient Sumeria these texts that have very detailed calculations of where in the sky the different planets are. I mean, I've heard it said that you know astrology is so old we don't even know how old it is.
00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:30.230 Steven Forrest: Yeah, exactly.
00:20:30.230 --> 00:20:36.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That it predates modern civilization in some ways.
00:20:36.270 --> 00:20:36.860 Steven Forrest: Yeah.
00:20:39.380 --> 00:20:57.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So people tend to think of people who don't know. I mean, my audience is fairly educated, so they know better. But a lot of people tend to think that you know astrology is that horoscope that you see in the newspaper once a week, telling you what your sign is, and things like that.
00:20:57.840 --> 00:21:10.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But astrology is much more than that, isn't it? And and you know I've heard it called the Science of astrology and the art of astrology, and I'm curious. Which do you feel? It is.
00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:24.249 Steven Forrest: I think it's a science in its essence, but it is applied to human beings as an art. So I would. Really, I think both of those are accurate.
00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:39.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and you take a particular approach to astrology. You know people think of astrology as like, oh, when am I going to meet my soul, mate, and you know oh, it's Mercury retrograde. I have to be careful with my emails like.
00:21:39.840 --> 00:21:46.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what do you feel is like the real purpose of astrology. And what do you like like?
00:21:46.940 --> 00:21:50.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do you use astrology to really help someone in their life?
00:21:51.310 --> 00:22:14.860 Steven Forrest: Yeah, that's again a superb question, because the answer is really a layer cake. You made some comments about sun sign, horoscope things, and I agree with everything you said there, but if it weren't for that I wouldn't be an astrologer, you know. That's how I discovered it. And so I think of astronomy.
00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:18.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yep.
00:22:19.890 --> 00:22:26.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Looks like Steven's Internet cut out for a second, or is that mine?
00:22:29.350 --> 00:22:33.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, he was right in the middle of trying to say something really good.
00:22:35.910 --> 00:22:42.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hope everything's okay. Maybe he'll come back in a minute hopefully. It's just a burp in the Internet.
00:22:46.780 --> 00:22:53.119 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, I think we're gonna have to edit out this little piece after the fact.
00:22:55.170 --> 00:23:02.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He was just talking about his view on astrology. So
00:23:02.520 --> 00:23:08.195 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yep, we lost him so his, his, either his computer crashed or his Internet went down.
00:23:08.750 --> 00:23:13.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so you know, one of the things about Stephen Forrest that I really liked
00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:22.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is is he calls his brand sort of a choice centered evolutionary astrology, meaning that
00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:30.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I believe we'll see when he'll he'll come back in, I'm sure. That people have a choice.
00:23:30.210 --> 00:23:42.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that the astrology is meant to help support us, to make better choices, and not that it's meant to replace our.
00:23:42.740 --> 00:23:50.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: our, our free will, and it doesn't take away our ability to choose for ourselves
00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:58.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what we want for our life. It's meant to support us and help us to make better choices.
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:05.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and this is one of the things that I've learned about astrology in the past is
00:24:05.930 --> 00:24:10.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's a wonderful tool to help understand
00:24:10.320 --> 00:24:13.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: why we are the way we are.
00:24:15.330 --> 00:24:19.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But that doesn't mean we're stuck in the way we are.
00:24:20.120 --> 00:24:24.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It doesn't mean that we can't evolve in the way we are
00:24:26.701 --> 00:24:30.488 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and one of the things that
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:47.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the astrologer. He used to do a show on our network by the name of Monty Taylor. He was a wonderful Jungian astrologer, and he had a show called Living consciously. And if you go back into our archives you'll see we still have a few episodes of living consciously on the website.
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:55.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He would talk about the relationship of
00:24:55.930 --> 00:25:09.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: not just the planets and sort of where they are in the sky, and what that means. But you know, like the planet Mars, Mars was the the god Aries, and
00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:17.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and what were the characteristics of that God? And what was his personality like. And what did that mean for us?
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:21.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I think.
00:25:29.080 --> 00:25:31.969 Steve Forrest: Oh, yes, here I am. Can you hear me now?
00:25:31.970 --> 00:25:34.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, we hear you now. Stephen lost you there for a minute.
00:25:35.130 --> 00:25:36.800 Steve Forrest: Yeah, sorry. Yeah.
00:25:37.090 --> 00:25:37.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, no. Problem.
00:25:37.950 --> 00:25:38.330 Steve Forrest: I don't.
00:25:38.330 --> 00:25:41.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Problem. I figured it's either your Internet or your computer.
00:25:41.620 --> 00:25:51.690 Steve Forrest: Yeah, the the computer's fine. The Internet looked fine for the 1st 2 or 3 min of the break. But now I'm seeing I'm not connected. So I I switched over to my phone.
00:25:51.710 --> 00:25:53.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, no problem, no problem.
00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:54.530 Steve Forrest: Apologies.
00:25:54.530 --> 00:26:05.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No worries. So you were about to answer right when you froze you're about to, I could tell. Make some like really insightful answer about
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: your view of astrology.
00:26:07.620 --> 00:26:13.704 Steve Forrest: Yeah. The the key for me is is to to think of the planets as
00:26:14.300 --> 00:26:28.409 Steve Forrest: offering not a prediction about your personality or your future. But suggestions, you know. It's like you have a coach up there in the sky who's helping you understand
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:43.629 Steve Forrest: why you need to learn what you're facing at a given time what the purpose of it is. Here's how to get it right. And here's what it looks like. If you're getting it wrong, it's it's quite the opposite of the of the
00:26:43.890 --> 00:26:52.849 Steve Forrest: the sort of implicit view that we're marionettes and the planets have us by our strings. You know. I just completely reject that.
00:26:53.130 --> 00:27:09.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Monty, the gentleman who used to do the astrology show in our network back in (201) 213-1415, he would say all the time, like there was a higher expression and a lower expression.
00:27:09.930 --> 00:27:10.840 Steve Forrest: Yes, yes.
00:27:10.840 --> 00:27:34.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I was just while you were off. I was talking about the idea of like the planet Mars, you know. What does that represent in our channel. And when you think of Mars, you know that was the the Roman god. The Greek god was Ares, I believe, and it's you know what were the characteristics of Ares. You know what were, you know he's a warrior, and this, and but a god of action, and as well as other things.
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:49.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But there was some higher aspects and some lower aspects. And so when we look at where is Mars in our chart? And what does that mean for us. There is both a higher aspect to it and a lower aspect to it.
00:27:50.490 --> 00:27:53.532 Steve Forrest: Yeah, absolutely with with Mars.
00:27:54.240 --> 00:28:12.139 Steve Forrest: it's it's a stark energy. And and often when I'm sitting with a client, I'll say that you know they're coming into a big Mars centered time in their lives, and and it's like you have a choice here. You can be the hunter, or you can be the prey which would you prefer?
00:28:13.590 --> 00:28:41.590 Steve Forrest: Many of us will say, is there a vegetarian course, you know, of course, and the universe is going to say, No, no, you've got to choose, and, by the way, if you can't choose, we'll choose for you, which usually means pray, and you know this sounds very stark, but but the reality is that sometimes circumstances come along in life in which it is appropriate for you to assert yourself. Stand up for yourself.
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.670 Steve Forrest: Protect yourself, or protect
00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:55.560 Steve Forrest: people or creatures or ideas that are important to you. And and that's what Mars calls us to do. So it's like it's the the warrior.
00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:04.520 Steve Forrest: the spiritual warrior whose ultimate battle is not really with something else in the world, but with fear itself.
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:05.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then.
00:29:05.310 --> 00:29:10.269 Steve Forrest: The key with Mars. Now, of course, you're free to run away, and that's the low response.
00:29:10.620 --> 00:29:11.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm!
00:29:11.810 --> 00:29:13.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful.
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:31.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah. Oh, and I see a loyal listener, Sanaya. It's good to see you, Sanaya. Glad you're you're tuning into live stream, giving you a thumbs up and said she loved Monty. Yeah, we we miss Monty terribly on the station. He unfortunately passed from a stroke a few years ago.
00:29:31.870 --> 00:29:33.620 Steve Forrest: Oh, that's really sad!
00:29:33.620 --> 00:29:36.534 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, Monty Taylor, he was wonderful.
00:29:38.520 --> 00:29:48.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So before we go to break, maybe I'm going to ask this question, but maybe we will start the answer, and then we'll we'll finish it when we come back from break.
00:29:49.310 --> 00:30:08.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How has astrology helped you in your life? I'm wondering if maybe you can give us, like one or 2 quick examples of how you were able to use astrology as you were learning it and starting to help other people with it. But how has it helped you in your life with certain situations? Maybe.
00:30:08.980 --> 00:30:25.980 Steve Forrest: Yeah, I would say, you know, constantly, if I say every day, it's perhaps a slight exaggeration, but not by much. Here's a concrete example, the the planet Uranus Uranus uranus. You know the the fact that
00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:50.919 Steve Forrest: nobody knows how to pronounce it really says a lot about the nature of the planet, because it's about thinking for yourself. It's about being for yourself. You simply say the name of this planet, and somebody thinks you've said it wrong, you know. And it's like, that's what happens when you're being yourself. Somebody says, that's a big mistake, you know. Okay, so a quick crash course in that planet. It hit my ascendant something that happens every 84 years.
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:56.200 Steve Forrest: It's a very big deal. This was years ago, and I'm I'm
00:30:56.380 --> 00:31:00.999 Steve Forrest: thinking, like, you know, I'm getting really old. I'm in my thirties, you know.
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:20.650 Steve Forrest: I'm laughing, too. But and at this rate I'm going to be the hippie astrologer in the town where I went to college. You know it's about time I got a grip, and, you know, got a job, and so on. And then I realized, no, I love astrology.
00:31:20.650 --> 00:31:40.160 Steve Forrest: you know. This is what I want to do with my life, and it was in this case a good response to the planet Uranus. I don't care if people think I'm crazy. This is what I am. This is what I want to do. So here I serve as a good example. You know I got it right. And then the magical thing with the planet Uranus is that if you're true to yourself.
00:31:40.210 --> 00:31:44.280 Steve Forrest: you always have this feeling. You know I'm painting myself into a corner.
00:31:44.810 --> 00:32:03.659 Steve Forrest: and then the universe intervenes, and so many astrologers would say, expect the unexpected in a uranium time. It does correlate with unpredictable events. So right after about a year, it took a couple of years for it to cross my ascendant right. Towards the end of that time
00:32:03.760 --> 00:32:26.680 Steve Forrest: my telephone rings. It's a literary agent in New York City who's gotten wind of my work, wants me to write a chapter of a book on Spec. 6 weeks later I had to deal with bantam books. I'm like nobody Hippie, from North Carolina, and, you know, get this deal with the biggest English language publisher on the planet in those days.
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:48.279 Steve Forrest: That kind of stuff doesn't happen realistically, you know. And and yet it did. It did. And I think it's because I was true to myself in Uranian fashion, was willing to get a little weird, willing to look a little strange, and the universe supported me after I stuck with it for a couple of years. You got to prove yourself.
00:32:48.540 --> 00:32:50.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow! Interesting, interesting.
00:32:51.230 --> 00:32:59.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so I'm curious. We've got to go to break. But you say that, Uranus, it'll hit your ascendant once every 84 years, right?
00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:01.030 Steve Forrest: Yeah, so don't know.
00:33:01.030 --> 00:33:04.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So then the next time you would be around a hundred 10 or so.
00:33:06.164 --> 00:33:08.048 Steve Forrest: Expecting it.
00:33:08.990 --> 00:33:21.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. But I'm just curious if let's say we don't make it that long. Does that mean like what we come out with will be rediscovered at that time, or will something happen around our work or around our legacy?
00:33:21.610 --> 00:33:43.820 Steve Forrest: Well it can. That's an interesting footnote the way people's birth charts seem to keep working after they're they're dead and gone. That's sort of another subject. But the big response I'd like to make is just for perspective is that the planet Uranus does take 84 years to get around the sun or the chart. They're the same thing.
00:33:43.890 --> 00:33:58.280 Steve Forrest: but it will do a lot of important things in a person's life other than hitting the ascendant. So it's not like, well, I died at 82, so I never got to know that planet. It's not like that. It takes about 7 years to get through a sign.
00:33:58.670 --> 00:34:14.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Gotcha gotcha. Okay, let's take a quick break when we come back. I want to talk about your books, earth, air, fire, and water, and and how you came to integrate the archetypal elements into astrology. Okay.
00:34:14.420 --> 00:34:15.689 Steve Forrest: Sure. Yeah, I'd love to.
00:34:15.739 --> 00:34:22.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. And don't forget.
00:34:23.010 --> 00:34:46.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like Sanaya did. If you have any questions or comments. Post them in Facebook, Linkedin Youtube. And we'll get to, you know, post them in the live streams. If you have any questions around astrology. We'll get to them during the rest of the show. So you're listening to the conscious, consultant hour weakening humanity. We'll be right back with our guest, Stephen Forrest in just a moment.
00:36:21.680 --> 00:36:41.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Stephen Forrest, author of 17 books around Astrology. So one of the things I find fascinating is you have different books, you know, the inner sky yesterday sky, the endless sky, talking about astrology. But then you have 4 books
00:36:41.720 --> 00:36:56.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: dedicated to each of the 4 archetypal elements, earth, air, fire, water, and I was curious how you kind of came to make that such an important part of your work in with astrology.
00:36:57.470 --> 00:37:02.790 Steve Forrest: Yeah, thank you. Thank you. It's an important question to me. I saw
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:30.820 Steve Forrest: I saw Saturn about to impact my chart in a big way classically. That's oh, here comes Saturn. Saturn isn't bad, though Saturn is hard. The trick with Saturn. The question Saturn asks is, do you want to be depressed, or do you want to be exhausted? And you know I recommend exhausted. It beats depression. So I knew I had to do something hard.
00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:47.379 Steve Forrest: and writing a book isn't really hard for me anymore, because I've done it a lot. So I thought, Well, what about 4 books? What I set out to do was to write down everything I knew about astrology
00:37:47.380 --> 00:38:11.169 Steve Forrest: that was essentially it divided into fire, earth, air, and water. The Book of Fire, for example, isn't just about the fire element. It's about the 3 fire signs in depth, Aries, Leo and Sagittarius. The planets that rule them. In this case mars the sun, and Jupiter intensively the corresponding houses.
00:38:11.170 --> 00:38:17.859 Steve Forrest: In other words, these are detailed books in which essentially I wanted to.
00:38:18.180 --> 00:38:37.119 Steve Forrest: Well, I'll just add, they were an adjunct to the foundation of my school. They were like the fundamental textbooks for my school. If somebody wants to put 3 or 4 years into becoming a serious astrologer, part of it is, in a sense memorizing those 4 books.
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:38.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow!
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:51.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I see a good friend of mine on Linkedin. Harris is tuning in, and he says you're an interesting fella and author of fascinating perspective. So you got some fans out there, Stephen.
00:38:51.620 --> 00:38:52.810 Steve Forrest: That's good to hear.
00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:57.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay. So the 4 books are about sort of the
00:38:57.420 --> 00:39:09.006 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know of the 12 signs of the zodiac. There's an element associated with each sign, and there. So there are 3 signs for each element. Yeah, yes,
00:39:11.350 --> 00:39:13.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so let's just take like.
00:39:13.940 --> 00:39:37.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just to give a quick example of like. So if somebody is an Aquarius versus a Pisces versus a Sagittarius, you know, or Gemini, what is the difference in quality like? How would it show up in someone's life, and and what what would be sort of the difference in what we need to be mindful of depending on that particular characteristic.
00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:40.640 Steve Forrest: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's a.
00:39:41.030 --> 00:40:08.310 Steve Forrest: The conventional answer which is accurate is that there are certain personality traits, attitudes, and values that are associated characteristically with each sign, and that's the basis of conventional astrology, and it's quite accurate. But it's not exactly the approach I take. Here's how I would look at it. I'll ask a stupid question.
00:40:08.570 --> 00:40:32.149 Steve Forrest: and then, as we meditate upon why, this is a stupid question. We become smart about sun signs, you know whether you're a Pisces or an Aquarius, or what? The stupid question, is it a good idea for an American person to become an expatriate, you know, to move to Ecuador, you know. Okay? Well, obviously popular occupation question nowadays, and.
00:40:32.150 --> 00:40:32.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:40:32.540 --> 00:40:46.929 Steve Forrest: And what makes it a dumb question is, we've left out a critical piece of information. Who are we talking about? It's not a moral question like, should I kill, or should I steal?
00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:56.229 Steve Forrest: You know it's it's a question of individuality, like what values will work for you. Now, if you take care of the sun.
00:40:56.230 --> 00:41:19.780 Steve Forrest: It means being true to those values maximizing those particular values in your life. And if you're an aquarian, it's like ruled by the planet Uranus I was just talking about. It's like, Be yourself, you know. Follow your own path. Your truth is your truth. If people disapprove of it. Well, that's amusing. You know that value works
00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:39.809 Steve Forrest: well. If you're an aquarian, if you're a Pisces, you're here to explore consciousness. If you're a Sagittarian, you're here to say yes to life and pack the experience of 10 lifetimes into one lifetime. And I mean, these are little thumbnail sketches, obviously, but they're just different ways of
00:41:39.810 --> 00:41:46.709 Steve Forrest: of making choices in life, and and the idea is that the choices connected with your sun sign
00:41:46.820 --> 00:42:10.990 Steve Forrest: feedback into your consciousness as a feeling, I believe an accurate feeling of being on track in your life, you know, being the right person, the right place at the right time, plus they'll give you a sunny disposition, you know this is God's own antidepressant, you know, if you're true to yourself, you're a happier person, you know. That's intuitively obvious. And this is about how to be true to yourself.
00:42:11.570 --> 00:42:13.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and the
00:42:13.240 --> 00:42:19.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the art and science of astrology is actually much more complicated than just the sun sign, because.
00:42:19.100 --> 00:42:19.770 Steve Forrest: Yeah, yeah.
00:42:19.770 --> 00:42:33.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There are these 12 different houses. There are the different zodiac signs. There are all these planets I know. I've looked at my natal chart many times, and I've got a whole bunch of planets bunched up in Aquarius and Pisces another whole bunch of stuff
00:42:33.520 --> 00:42:59.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: bunched up in. I believe it's it's Virgo and Ligo, and and there's not a whole lot in between, which is, from what I understand, a little bit unusual, because usually the stuff spread out all over the chart. And and it's sort of like each planetary body where it's positioned when we were born. Like all, has a subtle impact in terms of
00:43:00.164 --> 00:43:08.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how that energy affects our life. So it's it's not like just looking at one aspect. It's it's much more complicated than that, isn't it?
00:43:08.930 --> 00:43:32.070 Steve Forrest: Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's why it takes really 3 or 4 years to become a competent craftsperson. But I love what you just said that. So you have a lot of aquarian energy in your chart as you mentioned, so that path of individuation, and so on. I want to be careful not to get too techy here, but Aquarius is the 11th sign.
00:43:32.210 --> 00:43:57.549 Steve Forrest: It has some common ground with the 11th house. They're not interchangeable. The reason, I say that I go back to the very beginning of this program, and the beautiful blog that came straight from your heart about the importance of finding a fellowship, you know a spiritual psychological clan or tribe to support you. And well, let me start off by saying.
00:43:57.590 --> 00:44:04.750 Steve Forrest: everybody who's ever lived has an 11th house, you know, in their chart, there's no way around that. But there might not be planets in it.
00:44:04.900 --> 00:44:13.659 Steve Forrest: or there might not be planets in Aquarius, and so for some people. What you said in that blog might be less relevant. It might.
00:44:13.660 --> 00:44:14.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm not.
00:44:14.250 --> 00:44:21.269 Steve Forrest: Be their path, you know, for some people getting over the traumas of life. Maybe they need to sit in a
00:44:21.410 --> 00:44:23.980 Steve Forrest: Himalayan cave, you know, for 17
00:44:23.980 --> 00:44:32.140 Steve Forrest: years, which is quite the opposite of you know, social interaction and and so for for others, it's it's like
00:44:32.140 --> 00:44:56.089 Steve Forrest: perfect. So the key here is that we're bombarded with a lot of advice about how to live, and a lot of it is is solid, you know. Just the wisdom of our ancestors passed down to us. I don't want to be dismissive of it, but always, you know, one piece of advice works better for one person and another piece for a different.
00:44:56.780 --> 00:45:14.370 Steve Forrest: That's where astrology comes in. It's like what works for you. How do we honor your individuality? How do we go beyond generic or religious good advice, and and instead relate to each individual in their unique karmic predicament.
00:45:15.070 --> 00:45:25.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it really it. It just shows like, we are very much individuals, right? And and it's not one a 1. Size fits.
00:45:25.130 --> 00:45:26.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's all for anything.
00:45:27.240 --> 00:45:36.552 Steve Forrest: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. My favorite line here is, we are all as different and as alike as snowflakes.
00:45:37.570 --> 00:45:43.529 Steve Forrest: Yeah, that's actually a deeper comment than it might seem.
00:45:43.530 --> 00:45:43.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:50.690 Steve Forrest: A snowflake. Every snowflake has 6 arms, you know. It's like an asterisk.
00:45:50.790 --> 00:46:09.010 Steve Forrest: and then beyond that individual variance, and and you can. I hope this doesn't get too obscure, but you can take that asterisk, that snowflake form and say 6 arms. But then, if you count the negative spaces between the arms. It's 12.
00:46:09.010 --> 00:46:34.210 Steve Forrest: And so every snowflake is a birth chart, you know, is the basic structure of a birth chart. That's how pervasive the structure is in the universe. Water turns to birth charts at 32°F, you know it's just amazing. And then this delightful idea that we're all as different and ultimately just human, as alike as snowflakes. You know.
00:46:34.210 --> 00:46:42.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, it's actually a very, very profound statement. I see it right? Because we're all snowflakes. But every snowflake is different.
00:46:42.190 --> 00:46:44.309 Steve Forrest: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
00:46:44.310 --> 00:46:59.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful. Okay, we're going to take another break when we come back. I just want to ask you about evolutionary astrology. What is evolutionary astrology. And how is like what your school and what you teach around astrology may be a little bit different than other astrologers.
00:47:00.260 --> 00:47:18.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and the different flavors of astrology out there like Vedic astrology and stuff. You know, there's a lot to it. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. My guest, this hour has been Stephen Forrest, and we'll be right back to wrap it all up in just a moment.
00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:25.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You'll be right back.
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:05.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back.
00:49:05.750 --> 00:49:14.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so, Stephen, you you call your your school forest center for evolutionary astrology. What is evolutionary astrology?
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:17.429 Steve Forrest: Got it, you know. My
00:49:17.660 --> 00:49:32.730 Steve Forrest: favorite response to that question will sound slightly insulting, but I hope your audience is sophisticated enough to get it right. And and here it comes. Just think, think how dumb you were 5 years ago.
00:49:32.730 --> 00:49:33.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:49:35.630 --> 00:49:36.189 Steve Forrest: You know.
00:49:36.190 --> 00:49:44.460 Steve Forrest: and and and you know, as I, as I say, that you know, it sounds teasing. It sounds playful, but most of us can relate to it, you know.
00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:45.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, man!
00:49:45.060 --> 00:50:09.160 Steve Forrest: You're a wiser man today than you were 5 years ago. I don't know the details, Sam, but I'm very confident of that. So evolution is not a philosophy simply. It's an observed fact that we are capable of growth and change. And I could say, Think how dumb you were
00:50:09.160 --> 00:50:35.039 Steve Forrest: 10 min ago or 10 seconds ago, and that's too granular for us to really know it. But it's probably true. There's a kind of quantum process here moment to moment. So traditional or conventional astrology tends to be very descriptive. You know you're an Aquarius. Here's your personality as if it just sat there, and it doesn't, you know that's the magic that we are evolving.
00:50:35.040 --> 00:50:57.290 Steve Forrest: And so evolutionary astrology is based on conscious intentional change and growth. You know, understanding the growth that we have signed up for in this lifetime, and how to do it. That's really the heart of my answer. Now people in the broad, diverse world of astrology would say, Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you guys believe in reincarnation.
00:50:57.310 --> 00:51:25.280 Steve Forrest: And I'd say, Yeah, see? Think how dumb you were 500 years ago, which is obviously a metaphysical assertion. But but in the perspective of how dumb you were 10 years ago or 5 years ago. It's kind of a jaw dropper, and and I think that's pretty close to the truth. And so in conventional psychotherapy, which I was happy to hear you honoring.
00:51:25.300 --> 00:51:46.880 Steve Forrest: if we had to reduce the whole idea of psychotherapy. To one simple notion it would be the misfirings of our childhood experience echo in our adult lives. It's obviously more complicated. But that's probably the key insight, and in evolutionary astrology we use a very similar paradigm.
00:51:47.020 --> 00:51:57.970 Steve Forrest: except that we presume the childhood of the soul, so to speak, in prior lifetimes, and so everything in your chart
00:51:58.210 --> 00:52:10.740 Steve Forrest: is there for a purpose, you know. If I if I say that it's it sounds like a platitude, and it I guess it is, but if we think about it deeply so you've had your birth chart ever since you were born.
00:52:11.290 --> 00:52:11.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Difference.
00:52:11.670 --> 00:52:32.280 Steve Forrest: Purposeful. What caused you to have it? Well, any logical answer has to be rooted in the time before you had your birth chart, your birth chart is an effect of something that caused it before you had the birth chart that's logically inescapable. It doesn't prove reincarnation.
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:59.619 Steve Forrest: but it sure is consistent with it, and we can use the language of heredity or genetics, and your ancestors living on inside you if we want or we can posit. I have no enthusiasm for this at all, but we can posit a meaningless universe in which astrology works pointlessly, and after a while your battery runs down and you're dead, and it didn't mean anything. I have no patience for that perspective at all.
00:52:59.620 --> 00:53:02.536 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Me, me, neither. Me, neither.
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:13.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: no astrology can be applied to more than just humans. Right? I mean, we like anything that has a birth. Time and location
00:53:13.680 --> 00:53:24.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: has an astrological chart like the United States, or anything in the world? Do you ever create charts? For
00:53:24.720 --> 00:53:33.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, organizations, structures, companies or or countries, things like that to see like what's going on. And what can we learn from this.
00:53:33.550 --> 00:53:43.289 Steve Forrest: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I've done quite a lot of that. It's called electional astrology, because we're we're electing the best time to take an action.
00:53:43.820 --> 00:53:55.560 Steve Forrest: and the classic is helping somebody pick a a good time for a wedding or a commitment ceremony, you know. That's a that's a staple of, you know astrological practice.
00:53:55.560 --> 00:54:18.040 Steve Forrest: I've had a lot of influences over the launching of businesses on various scales, you know, choosing an ideal time for that. You can't change your karma. With that, you know. I want to win the lottery. I'm going to choose the perfect time to enter the lottery. Good luck, you know. The odds were 100 million against you. Good news! They're now a million to one against you.
00:54:18.040 --> 00:54:18.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know.
00:54:18.470 --> 00:54:30.009 Steve Forrest: We we, you know we we need some some feet on the ground. The the proof of the pudding with this this will work for some of your older listeners is the fact that Ronald Reagan
00:54:30.010 --> 00:54:52.949 Steve Forrest: was allegedly coated in Teflon. You know they called him the Teflon President. That's the best analysis the media could come up with for the fact that the guy got away with a lot of stuff, you know. Nothing would stick with him. He used astrology. He used electional astrology, and and there it is a matter of historical record. The stuff works.
00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:55.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, is there anything
00:54:56.530 --> 00:55:08.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for our audience in general around this time that we're living in, that you can provide us with any insight that might be helpful.
00:55:08.730 --> 00:55:14.784 Steve Forrest: Yeah, that that's needless to say, a vast question we, we have
00:55:15.810 --> 00:55:23.009 Steve Forrest: massive, massive change happening at the collective level. The the
00:55:23.160 --> 00:55:51.599 Steve Forrest: the planets, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto. And now we have some out beyond that that we've discovered. But most astrologers will use those 3 Uranus 84 year cycle. As I mentioned earlier, Neptune 165, Pluto 248 years to get around, and they're all changing from one sign to another. Within this period of about a year, Pluto into Aquarius, already
00:55:51.600 --> 00:56:10.079 Steve Forrest: Uranus about to enter Gemini, and and we have Neptune crossing into Aries and and each. Each one I have to say is a really long story. But the energy is changing. It's a season of of air and fire, you know.
00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:16.349 Steve Forrest: Yeah. So we're in for a wild ride. This is not news to anybody who's who's paying attention.
00:56:16.350 --> 00:56:30.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mention. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it just helps it all make sense. Oh, and I see, Harris asks if you have ever heard of Lara Arbourne, creative 3rd eye therapy in the spirit of evolutionary astronomy.
00:56:31.150 --> 00:56:35.739 Steve Forrest: No, no, I I haven't heard, but it seems like somebody I should know about.
00:56:35.740 --> 00:56:45.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I haven't heard of this person either, Harris, where color and consciousness collide. She has a really interesting perspective in line with Stevens. They should connect.
00:56:46.030 --> 00:56:46.530 Steve Forrest: Yes.
00:56:46.530 --> 00:56:51.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay. 3rd eye. 3, rd oh, thirdeyetheory.com.
00:56:51.140 --> 00:56:52.580 Steve Forrest: Yeah, beautiful.
00:56:52.580 --> 00:56:55.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right. Thank you, Harris. Appreciate that.
00:56:56.390 --> 00:57:08.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, Steven. Unfortunately, we're coming close to the end of our show. From what I understand, you don't work with individuals anymore. Is that right? You're mostly just training. Now.
00:57:08.934 --> 00:57:34.839 Steve Forrest: It's sort of right the the I actually do about 4 personal consultations per week at this point. But I'm not accepting any new clients. A few years ago I turned 70 and and I I realized that I was booked up for 10 years. You know, I, the waiting lists had gotten crazy, and and I sort of behind my back and and I so I I just simply stopped adding any
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:43.980 Steve Forrest: to them. And I I hope to keep the promises I've made. Most of. My energy does go into training and kind of passing on the torch at this point.
00:57:44.500 --> 00:57:55.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, wonderful, wonderful and so if people want to learn more about your school, learn more about you. Where? Where can they go? What's your website? How do they reach out.
00:57:55.470 --> 00:57:55.805 Steve Forrest: Yeah.
00:57:56.250 --> 00:58:22.839 Steve Forrest: Spell forest with 2 r's, you know. So FORR. EST. And then forestastrology. One word, forestastrology.com goes to my personal website, which has lots of all my books, etc. Lots of free material, too. It's a big fun website. And then for my school forestastrology dot center, and you can learn all about various ways to participate in that.
00:58:24.040 --> 00:58:24.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:58:25.560 --> 00:58:48.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with what you just said before, about all these these major planets changing signs. And there's been a lot I'm on some mailing lists of people who, like, you know, talk about the weekly astrology forecast. And what's going on? Is there anything that you can give our audience who might feel like all this change and craziness can feel overwhelming at time
00:58:49.600 --> 00:58:52.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what anything to give us hope for the future.
00:58:53.470 --> 00:59:03.207 Steve Forrest: Yeah, yeah, it's Pluto. And Aquarius has historically correlated with
00:59:04.730 --> 00:59:10.410 Steve Forrest: kind of revolutionary progressive movements. And it's a
00:59:10.680 --> 00:59:13.470 Steve Forrest: it somehow takes a while to take hold.
00:59:13.600 --> 00:59:17.772 Steve Forrest: But I I think the the kind of conservative
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:34.589 Steve Forrest: strong man energy that we see all over the planet is a hangover from Pluto and Capricorn. It really resonates with Pluto and Capricorn, but Pluto will be in Aquarius until 2044.
00:59:34.710 --> 00:59:35.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:59:35.160 --> 00:59:59.040 Steve Forrest: And so I am expecting that the climate will swing more in a progressive direction. But then I would add that Pluto always brings forth the shadow side of things. So I think since 2,008, we've been seeing the shadow side of conservatism. I admit we still are.
00:59:59.040 --> 01:00:18.180 Steve Forrest: but I think that the long story of Pluto and Aquarius over the next generation will be the shadow side of the progressive movement, you know, like we're like. The French Revolution was allegedly progressive, you know Pluto and Aquarius, but it obviously had a dark side.
01:00:18.330 --> 01:00:19.463 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, absolutely.
01:00:20.710 --> 01:00:33.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Stephen, thank you so much for taking the time to come on my show today. It's been a pleasure having you a wonderful conversation and be happy to have you back anytime in the future. If you come out with a new book that you'd like to talk about. Okay.
01:00:33.200 --> 01:00:36.029 Steve Forrest: Sure. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's been a delight.
01:00:36.030 --> 01:01:03.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, Naya Harris, and everyone listening to it, whether you're listening, live or listening to the replay. We so appreciate you. Without you there is no show. And of course, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on Talkradio, dot, Nyc and all over every podcasting platform where you like to listen to podcasts, you can find the conscious consultant hour.
01:01:03.460 --> 01:01:12.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you. All for tuning in. Don't forget later today, at 4 PM. We have the nitty, gritty entrepreneur, followed by Frank Harrison and his show Frank about health.
01:01:13.020 --> 01:01:17.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Take care everyone. We will talk to you all next week.
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