Barbara With is an international peace activist who is currently on a World Peace
Tour, calling out to participants who are willing -- encouraging what she calls a
"Worldwide Nonviolent Action to End the Age of War Starting with Self."
Given the turbulence and uncertainty present in the world today, listeners can be inspired by Barbara's message and call to action.
We will discuss Barbara's activism, metaphysics, conflict revolution TM (teaching & training methods), world peace, and her relationship with Albert Einstein.
Barbara has so much to share about her channeling, as well as her vision for a peaceful world. Barbara is also an accomplished musician - a passion she pursued in the past.
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Linda Marsanico opens this episode of The A Train to Sedona by sharing her personal journey of love and compassion, offering listeners tools like her free "High Vibration Living" guide to support their spiritual growth. She introduces intuitive healer Amanda Beth Johnson, who discusses how reconnecting with her childhood intuition and gifts helped her break free from societal expectations and rediscover her true path. Amanda emphasizes the importance of embracing one's inner wisdom, setting energetic boundaries as an empath, and highlights the transformative power of flotation therapy for healing, clarity, and deep spiritual alignment.
In this deeply spiritual segment of The A Train to Sedona, Barbara With shares the mystical evolution of her connection with Albert Einstein, revealing that his voice had unknowingly been guiding her psychic work for years. She recounts channeling a visionary version of Einstein’s unified field theory—complete with maps of human consciousness and a bold concept of compassion as a fifth fundamental force of the universe. Despite her non-scientific background, Barbara's trust in the guidance she received has opened doors to scientific dialogue and validation, reinforcing the sacred truth that intuition, vision, and spiritual purpose can converge with science to illuminate our understanding of reality.
In this heartfelt segment of The A Train to Sedona, Barbara With shares how her early channeling experiences evolved into a collaborative spiritual experiment, testing a process for resolving internal conflict that she believes holds the key to world peace. She recounts a transformative moment with her spiritual group, where turning inward to address personal responsibility led to unexpected shifts in external relationships—affirming the interconnectedness of inner healing and outer harmony. Together with host Linda Marsanico, they affirm that compassion is not just an emotion but a powerful, universal force that bridges spirituality, healing, and conscious evolution.
In the final segment of The A Train to Sedona, Barbara With shares insights from her book Imagining Einstein, emphasizing that whether her channeled messages from Einstein are seen as fiction or not, their wisdom speaks for itself. She introduces the map of human consciousness, highlighting how our intellect, emotion, and intuition form the foundation of our inner experience, and how conflict arises when we ignore intuition’s compassionate guidance. As the conversation closes, Barbara encourages spiritually conscious individuals to embrace self-mastery, trust their inner wisdom, and contribute to global peace by aligning with the deeper intelligence of consciousness.
00:00:53.680 --> 00:01:01.130 Linda Marsanico: Hello, everyone! I'm Linda Marsannico. Welcome to the A. Train to Sedona broadcast.
00:01:01.760 --> 00:01:11.229 Linda Marsanico: There's also a book I wrote called The A Trade to Sedona a memoir about my journey to love and compassion. I wrote the book
00:01:11.590 --> 00:01:16.930 Linda Marsanico: because I wanted my voice to be heard, but also to inspire your journey.
00:01:17.930 --> 00:01:29.220 Linda Marsanico: You can purchase a signed copy of the book on my website, lindamarsenico.com on by the book page, and also at
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00:01:38.540 --> 00:01:41.040 Linda Marsanico: I also have a free gift for you.
00:01:41.610 --> 00:01:56.149 Linda Marsanico: It's called the cheat sheet for high vibration, living 7 exercises designed to allow you to bring your energy to the present moment. When you get off balance in this troubled world. Today you can bring yourself
00:01:56.500 --> 00:02:01.930 Linda Marsanico: to positive place and to a high vibration.
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00:02:05.390 --> 00:02:08.690 Linda Marsanico: on my website@lindamarsenico.com.
00:02:10.660 --> 00:02:13.960 Linda Marsanico: I have 2 disclaimers. One is
00:02:14.370 --> 00:02:18.409 Linda Marsanico: this broadcast does not establish a professional relationship.
00:02:18.890 --> 00:02:26.770 Linda Marsanico: and 2, the opinions expressed on Talkradio Dot, New York City do not represent the network.
00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:31.690 Linda Marsanico: Now today I have as my guest, Barbara, with
00:02:33.180 --> 00:02:48.120 Linda Marsanico: Barbara, with is an international peace activist, acclaimed author, publisher, composer, performer, psychic channel and co-founder of conflict, revolution.
00:02:48.640 --> 00:02:53.680 Linda Marsanico: world peace, one person at a time starting with self.
00:02:54.540 --> 00:03:03.260 Linda Marsanico: a revolutionary way to resolve conflicts of the Psyche as a pathway to world peace based on her work
00:03:03.490 --> 00:03:07.569 Linda Marsanico: Channeling The Angels and Albert Einstein.
00:03:08.590 --> 00:03:14.280 Linda Marsanico: She has authored 6 award-winning nonfiction books on metaphysics
00:03:15.530 --> 00:03:21.700 Linda Marsanico: teaches and trains conflict revolution in the classroom and on Zoom.
00:03:21.860 --> 00:03:26.930 Linda Marsanico: and is currently on a world peace tour, calling out
00:03:27.040 --> 00:03:29.329 Linda Marsanico: to the participation of the willing
00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:37.529 Linda Marsanico: for a worldwide, nonviolent action to end the age of war. Starting with self.
00:03:38.710 --> 00:03:41.759 Linda Marsanico: Barbara. Welcome to the A. Train to Sedona
00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:44.809 Barbara With: Thank you, Linda, for having me. I'm glad to be here
00:03:45.390 --> 00:03:48.500 Linda Marsanico: I think we're going to have a very exciting conversation.
00:03:49.190 --> 00:03:51.410 Linda Marsanico: My 1st question, sorry
00:03:51.770 --> 00:03:52.780 Barbara With: Yes, absolutely.
00:03:53.418 --> 00:04:00.559 Linda Marsanico: My 1st question is, when you think of your youth, your childhood, your adolescence.
00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.820 Linda Marsanico: What are the influences that bring you to where you are today?
00:04:05.890 --> 00:04:07.460 Barbara With: Mostly it was music.
00:04:08.070 --> 00:04:12.830 Barbara With: Music was a focus of my self.
00:04:13.430 --> 00:04:17.739 Barbara With: Just naturally, from the time I was 4 or 5 I started to
00:04:17.890 --> 00:04:24.030 Barbara With: teach myself how to play the piano. My whole family was musical. My mother was the choir director at church.
00:04:24.520 --> 00:04:29.139 Barbara With: and I started writing music by when I was 12 or 13,
00:04:29.500 --> 00:04:34.659 Barbara With: so that the only thing I ever wanted to do in my whole life was to be a rock star.
00:04:34.790 --> 00:04:41.050 Barbara With: and I left high school with a couple of good solid sets of original material, and
00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:47.030 Barbara With: set out on the road, and that really was the groundwork for the work that I
00:04:47.330 --> 00:04:50.230 Barbara With: eventually came to do as a psychic channel
00:04:51.400 --> 00:04:52.969 Linda Marsanico: What do you see as the
00:04:53.660 --> 00:05:00.150 Linda Marsanico: jumping off point, or the transition for music into channeling
00:05:01.350 --> 00:05:07.719 Barbara With: In the big picture of things. The focus, 1st on music allowed me to.
00:05:08.070 --> 00:05:11.330 Barbara With: I would say, sort of air, quote safely
00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:21.069 Barbara With: explore the non-physical explore those areas that are generally uncharted and unknown, and can be frightening to
00:05:21.260 --> 00:05:22.850 Barbara With: our average psyche.
00:05:23.420 --> 00:05:28.590 Barbara With: But to do it in a way that was very acceptable to be a songwriter.
00:05:29.660 --> 00:05:38.269 Barbara With: And then, when I started to actually do channeling myself, it was only after I had been exposed to it in high school.
00:05:38.610 --> 00:05:42.769 Barbara With: A friend's mom was a channel. We didn't call her that, but she would
00:05:42.990 --> 00:06:00.459 Barbara With: gather us together and close our eyes and get out of the way and say the most amazing things to us about our lives and where we were going and what we were doing in our psychological states. So I knew what it was. And then by the time I did
00:06:00.570 --> 00:06:04.570 Barbara With: spontaneously start automatic writing, I think it was 1987.
00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:15.199 Barbara With: I knew what it was, and and I knew, and I knew that it was something that felt like songwriting to close your eyes. Get out of the way. Listen.
00:06:15.200 --> 00:06:15.580 Linda Marsanico: First, st
00:06:15.580 --> 00:06:16.220 Barbara With: Stuff.
00:06:16.570 --> 00:06:21.019 Barbara With: And so it all sort of merged at that point
00:06:22.490 --> 00:06:25.760 Linda Marsanico: How old were you when you started automatic writing
00:06:26.510 --> 00:06:28.920 Barbara With: Think that was 32.
00:06:29.150 --> 00:06:33.270 Barbara With: I was 9, 32, yeah, because it was 1987,
00:06:35.200 --> 00:06:42.099 Barbara With: 32, yeah. But I had been going to the psychic since I was 16, and I was reading tarot cards, and
00:06:42.410 --> 00:06:48.640 Barbara With: was very familiar with what it was, but it was still very shocking, like what
00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.889 Linda Marsanico: What would you say? The role of spirituality is in your life.
00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:04.830 Barbara With: It's hard to separate spirituality from my life
00:07:05.860 --> 00:07:10.620 Barbara With: that from the time I was so small and I had this mission.
00:07:11.180 --> 00:07:12.960 Barbara With: and it was music at 1st
00:07:13.840 --> 00:07:19.890 Barbara With: But that was my spirituality. It was what saved my life through the trauma that I grew up in, and
00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:24.070 Barbara With: it guided me everywhere, and it set me up.
00:07:24.410 --> 00:07:28.860 Barbara With: and it was my music was my my religion.
00:07:29.260 --> 00:07:30.170 Barbara With: Many, many years
00:07:30.740 --> 00:07:37.640 Barbara With: And so including, then, this sort of spirituality of channeling and psychic mediumship
00:07:39.640 --> 00:07:44.969 Barbara With: I know that there are people in the world who are psychics and who are mediums.
00:07:46.100 --> 00:07:54.810 Barbara With: I'm not sure how many psychic or psychic mediums intentionally devote themselves
00:07:55.670 --> 00:07:57.890 Barbara With: to a higher purpose and mission.
00:07:58.660 --> 00:08:03.690 Barbara With: I'm not saying they don't. I just don't know, because I'm just me. I just have had my bath.
00:08:03.810 --> 00:08:07.509 Barbara With: and I know my path isn't average, or like everyone else's.
00:08:08.150 --> 00:08:17.100 Barbara With: So. It's always been between the music and then the spirituality is it's the reason to live really
00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.990 Linda Marsanico: Well, I think of music as the universal language
00:08:22.420 --> 00:08:23.470 Barbara With: Absolutely, absolutely.
00:08:23.470 --> 00:08:34.060 Linda Marsanico: Yeah, I remember my mother saying that when she listened to music, and this is pop and different genres, but it brought back memories and feelings and
00:08:34.179 --> 00:08:37.019 Linda Marsanico: nostalgia. So it's very powerful
00:08:37.630 --> 00:08:41.529 Barbara With: Yeah, it can activate because of the frequencies
00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:46.659 Barbara With: that are. I don't know if you might call them like superimposed
00:08:46.870 --> 00:09:02.890 Barbara With: when you're in a and we all do this where we at sometime in our youth. Maybe we have our 1st dance, or we go to something that's emotionally charged for us, and the music is playing, and for the rest of our natural lives, every time we hear that song
00:09:03.420 --> 00:09:10.089 Barbara With: We'll be in that place. We'll have that emotion because it's kind of stored in our molecular
00:09:10.450 --> 00:09:14.970 Barbara With: body, I think, only to to reverberate again
00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:19.900 Linda Marsanico: Yes, it's, I think, a wonderful experience. When that happens.
00:09:21.060 --> 00:09:23.889 Linda Marsanico: So I have another. I want to shift things a little bit.
00:09:24.790 --> 00:09:32.130 Linda Marsanico: What is conflict, revolution, and how is it different from conflict, resolution.
00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:43.830 Barbara With: Yes. Well, conflict resolution is a very specific process that 2 parties who are conflicted go through and involved
00:09:44.500 --> 00:09:57.940 Barbara With: better listening. It involves compassionate language it involves, maybe sensitivity stuff. And then you come back to the table and you each are able to negotiate that conflict.
00:09:58.410 --> 00:10:01.420 Barbara With: Conflict. Revolution is completely. Not that
00:10:02.050 --> 00:10:11.950 Barbara With: it's a completely different approach to conflict that says, let's 1st and foremost revolve revolution. Our focus off the arena
00:10:12.100 --> 00:10:12.670 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:10:12.670 --> 00:10:14.509 Barbara With: And bring it back to us
00:10:14.760 --> 00:10:19.729 Barbara With: 1st and foremost, to see, before we go to the table, to do all those things
00:10:20.300 --> 00:10:27.110 Barbara With: What the arena of the conflict might be showing us about our internal conflicts, and when we resolve it here.
00:10:27.250 --> 00:10:29.799 Barbara With: not only do we come back to the table
00:10:29.910 --> 00:10:31.830 Barbara With: sort of a much different person
00:10:32.850 --> 00:10:38.169 Barbara With: But things tend to naturally shift
00:10:39.180 --> 00:10:54.249 Barbara With: in the outcomes. So, for example, I've seen conflicts, my my own and others, where they somebody, brings a conflict to the workshop, and it's been they've had this conflict with their mother-in-law for 20 years.
00:10:54.640 --> 00:11:00.980 Barbara With: and when they go through the process of 1st turning back here and they get this piece.
00:11:01.340 --> 00:11:08.050 Barbara With: It's as if 20 years of conflict have suddenly looked differently
00:11:08.050 --> 00:11:08.860 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:11:08.860 --> 00:11:14.330 Barbara With: We we call it the Rolodex effect back in the day when you had a rolodex. Yeah, yes.
00:11:14.330 --> 00:11:26.849 Barbara With: like flip, flip, flip, flip all the way back. You think of all the times you thought your mother-in-law hated you, or didn't respect you, and you do the revolution, and you find it here and you find out. Oh, wait! That was me.
00:11:27.920 --> 00:11:30.600 Barbara With: and then you do it. You do what we
00:11:30.700 --> 00:11:37.070 Barbara With: help you do to resolve that internally first, st and turn back to the arena
00:11:37.680 --> 00:11:40.670 Barbara With: suddenly. Your mother-in-law is acting differently.
00:11:41.790 --> 00:11:46.360 Barbara With: Suddenly things that you couldn't have gone directly at in the arena
00:11:46.850 --> 00:11:57.409 Barbara With: start to unfold quite naturally. It's it's really a phenomenon I'm after all these years 40, some years of developing it and studying it and mastering it.
00:11:57.660 --> 00:11:59.630 Barbara With: I'm I'm still amazed
00:12:00.730 --> 00:12:03.590 Linda Marsanico: So you're teaching it currently
00:12:04.260 --> 00:12:07.509 Barbara With: Yes, I've been teaching it since 1999.
00:12:08.190 --> 00:12:10.970 Barbara With: It started out as a staff development
00:12:11.510 --> 00:12:18.090 Barbara With: course for a company that I was contracting with as a executive assistant, or what have you, contractor?
00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:20.699 Barbara With: And it's just grown from there.
00:12:20.860 --> 00:12:29.229 Barbara With: And right. What I'm doing right now is, I've just put up a masterclass which is the complete
00:12:29.920 --> 00:12:45.990 Barbara With: Einstein. It's a it's a masterclass of the complete Einstein. So it's not just conflict revolution, but it's the unified field theory, and the map of human consciousness and compassion is the 5th fundamental force that that we've delivered in our books.
00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:58.650 Barbara With: And then I'm also just about done. Maybe by the time somebody gets there it'll be there with a with a kind of a shorter version of it. Just get people to understand
00:12:58.850 --> 00:13:03.800 Barbara With: the basics of conflict revolution. How easy it is! I mean, it's
00:13:04.010 --> 00:13:10.220 Barbara With: I don't want to say it's easy. It's easy to understand. Yeah, it's very, very elemental to understand
00:13:10.820 --> 00:13:11.410 Barbara With: And
00:13:12.330 --> 00:13:21.429 Barbara With: it's it's hard to do, because you have to be willing to want to go in there and do this shadow work which a lot of people don't. But that's all right.
00:13:21.580 --> 00:13:23.480 Barbara With: We work with the willing
00:13:23.650 --> 00:13:31.319 Linda Marsanico: Yes, and eventually people will be willing, because we're changing ourselves and our energy shifts and people are inspired by that.
00:13:31.730 --> 00:13:41.219 Linda Marsanico: And he said that you know the butterfly that flutters its wings has an effect from the Ukraine to somewhere else on the globe, and I am a believer
00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.960 Linda Marsanico: in my change
00:13:44.280 --> 00:13:50.130 Linda Marsanico: helps others. Your change helps me. It just goes on and on and on. It's a ripple effect
00:13:50.660 --> 00:13:57.450 Barbara With: Absolutely. And what I like to stress as I've been going on my coming up on 2 years of my
00:13:57.640 --> 00:14:14.299 Barbara With: World peace tour that I left my life behind. To be on this tour is to really stress to people do not underestimate the power of the work that we do internally. Those of us who believe all of those things as within, so without
00:14:14.300 --> 00:14:14.780 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:14:14.780 --> 00:14:35.680 Barbara With: Have to become the change piece begins. All of us who believe that and are working at that do not underestimate how important the effect is on the globe, and people say to me all the time, but, Barb, you know they're still fighting in Ukraine, there's still this and that, and I, and I always say, do you know what I think? We wouldn't be here?
00:14:36.630 --> 00:14:53.769 Barbara With: I personally think the earth would not be here had it not? Is it not for all of us who are committed to compassion, whether it's, you know, the Christians who are praying in their traditional Christian ways, or however the Muslims. Pray, who is ever praying for?
00:14:53.770 --> 00:14:54.100 Barbara With: Yes.
00:14:54.260 --> 00:15:05.970 Barbara With: we're all together in it, and we cannot underestimate the power that we have there. So I like to just encourage people because it does get. It's hard work to own all your stuff
00:15:05.970 --> 00:15:15.109 Linda Marsanico: It is, trust me, and and we do need to get ready for a break, Barbara. But when we come back I want to talk about your relationship with Albert Einstein.
00:15:16.050 --> 00:15:16.700 Barbara With: Alrighty!
00:15:16.700 --> 00:15:20.029 Linda Marsanico: So it's time for a break, and we'll be back
00:15:20.140 --> 00:15:22.780 Linda Marsanico: with the a train to Sedona, my guest, Barbara, with
00:17:04.970 --> 00:17:13.049 Linda Marsanico: Hello, everyone! Welcome back to the A. Train to Sedona. I'm Linda Marsannico with my guest, Barbara with
00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:18.039 Linda Marsanico: Barbara. Will you share with our listeners. Your relationship with Albert Einstein
00:17:18.740 --> 00:17:33.149 Barbara With: Well, I'd love to. I jokingly call myself the 3rd Mrs. Einstein. I didn't know him. I started out when I started out channeling all those many years ago. I just thought I was an antenna.
00:17:33.410 --> 00:17:37.469 Barbara With: I didn't think of myself as talking to anyone or anything.
00:17:37.590 --> 00:17:48.509 Barbara With: and as I progressed and I started to do groups, and my psychic sorority, as we called ourselves, asked, Who are you? They said, You can call us angels.
00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:57.469 Barbara With: So I had to adapt to that. Okay? And after my 1st book came out, diaries of a psychic sorority. I got invited
00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:03.099 Barbara With: by a metaphysical tabloid in London sort of paranormal.
00:18:03.270 --> 00:18:09.000 Barbara With: wanted an interview with Princess Di on the one year anniversary of her death.
00:18:09.310 --> 00:18:13.999 Barbara With: and they flew me out to New York, and they spent 5 h with me, and
00:18:14.430 --> 00:18:18.730 Barbara With: they didn't want the interview, and I
00:18:19.150 --> 00:18:24.549 Barbara With: thought I had an agent at the time, and she's like, well, if Diana, who did this.
00:18:24.670 --> 00:18:30.670 Barbara With: I did this interview like, what is this? And it was so beautiful
00:18:31.410 --> 00:18:39.829 Barbara With: Maybe there's others. Maybe there's other famous people who want to speak. So we made this big list, and you know what Albert Einstein wasn't on it.
00:18:40.110 --> 00:18:49.599 Barbara With: How sad is that! And I kind of now in retrospect, imagine this party of souls who are trying to organize this thing.
00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:54.180 Barbara With: No, and we're not putting his name down, and
00:18:54.330 --> 00:19:02.200 Barbara With: so we would pick a name, and either that person I would imagine they would say yes or no.
00:19:02.750 --> 00:19:17.970 Barbara With: and when we got to John F. Kennedy, which, by the way, right now, is really really interesting. I found out some really interesting things after that dump of Jfk stuff. But jfk said to us.
00:19:18.520 --> 00:19:21.689 Barbara With: we we will tell you who's next
00:19:22.450 --> 00:19:30.460 Linda Marsanico: He revealed that this was a group of souls who had been working together, and they had this book that they wanted me to
00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.729 Barbara With: Basically steno stenographer
00:19:36.140 --> 00:19:38.050 Barbara With: And next was Albert Einstein.
00:19:38.520 --> 00:19:38.980 Linda Marsanico: No.
00:19:38.980 --> 00:19:50.059 Barbara With: And so this was 1998. And I had started channeling 1988. So I'd been channeling for 10 years. And when I went to do Albert Einstein
00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:51.460 Barbara With: and spoke.
00:19:52.530 --> 00:19:57.320 Barbara With: It was the voice of every single reading I'd ever done.
00:19:58.590 --> 00:20:02.759 Barbara With: It was shocking to me. It was like, Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
00:20:04.050 --> 00:20:10.560 Barbara With: This is the voice of all the readings that I just my normal reading voice. What is this?
00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:18.310 Barbara With: And then, as I kind of thought about it. I thought, This is really the voice, the sound. This was the when I did my automatic writing
00:20:18.460 --> 00:20:21.160 Barbara With: spontaneously, and I asked, Who are you?
00:20:21.660 --> 00:20:23.349 Barbara With: And they said, Sound
00:20:23.790 --> 00:20:24.520 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:20:24.520 --> 00:20:28.339 Barbara With: And I thought, fine. I've been writing music since I was 12. I'm okay with that
00:20:30.330 --> 00:20:35.879 Barbara With: was that. And and so that took me a long time to process.
00:20:36.890 --> 00:20:42.859 Barbara With: That was it. I was. I didn't come running out, you know. Hey? Guess what I talked to Einstein. It was kind of crazy
00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:44.080 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:20:44.080 --> 00:20:51.580 Barbara With: But it revealed itself that way. And then in 2,005, I thought, okay, let's just do a little volume for Einstein.
00:20:52.490 --> 00:20:57.859 Barbara With: Because now I'm in love with him because it's like, Oh, my God! Are you kidding?
00:20:58.330 --> 00:21:09.270 Barbara With: And so I channeled several groups, and I sat down to edit this little book a Hundred Year Anniversary of Equals, Mc. Squared in 2,005.
00:21:09.800 --> 00:21:20.810 Barbara With: And what it ended up happening is he dictated to me that winter his unified field theory, which is something he never got in while he was alive.
00:21:21.510 --> 00:21:37.329 Barbara With: Including what he called the maps of human consciousness, which is how consciousness interacts with the fields to create reality and a scientific, quantifiable definition of compassion with a capital C.
00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:40.409 Barbara With: As the 5th fundamental force
00:21:40.610 --> 00:21:48.590 Barbara With: of the universe. It's the creative intelligence that uses the 4 fundamental forces to impel the creation of the physical world one step at a time.
00:21:48.590 --> 00:21:49.440 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:53.090 Barbara With: So that was a bigger thing to try to have to adapt to
00:21:53.420 --> 00:21:54.660 Linda Marsanico: How so, Barbara?
00:21:54.830 --> 00:22:00.230 Barbara With: Well, I'm not a I'm not a physicist. I'm not a scientist. I dropped out of
00:22:00.560 --> 00:22:06.340 Barbara With: physics and math in high school and 10th grade to go into music and drama.
00:22:06.340 --> 00:22:06.940 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:22:06.940 --> 00:22:17.140 Barbara With: So to think that he was telling me in these these channeling, that the source of everything
00:22:17.450 --> 00:22:19.319 Barbara With: is in the center of the earth.
00:22:20.010 --> 00:22:22.379 Barbara With: and it operates like a black hole.
00:22:23.450 --> 00:22:32.079 Barbara With: Now this is 2,005, so we have to keep track of like you. You were saying society progresses
00:22:33.110 --> 00:22:42.710 Barbara With: To where in 1993, when I started doing this world, peace was just whatever nobody cared. Today, everyone's like we need to do something. So
00:22:42.910 --> 00:23:02.740 Barbara With: so in 2,005 scientifically for me, a channel who talks to dead people to come out with this information that says A, the source is in the center of the planet B. It operates like a black hole, and C compassion with a C is actually the 5th fundamental force was a stretch for me.
00:23:02.740 --> 00:23:15.019 Barbara With: It was a hard stretch to think I was going to stand up in front of people, because what if I was so wrong? And I was just making this all up. And then what? What would that mean to all of my work?
00:23:15.850 --> 00:23:23.309 Barbara With: You know there was a lot, but I had to trust because I trusted everything so far was pretty magical and
00:23:23.490 --> 00:23:24.820 Barbara With: mysterious.
00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:32.240 Barbara With: and I did it, I put it out, and it was the book that got me going around the world.
00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:37.109 Barbara With: and since then it came out in 2,006, 2,007, I think.
00:23:38.163 --> 00:23:39.390 Barbara With: I have
00:23:39.510 --> 00:23:49.860 Barbara With: since then, especially last April, I was at the Science of Consciousness Conference in Tucson, which is put on by the University of Tucson.
00:23:49.980 --> 00:24:00.829 Barbara With: Arizona, Tucson by the Astrophysicist department. 30 years, and I came away from that experience absolutely, positively sure
00:24:01.490 --> 00:24:12.340 Barbara With: that this is what it is, but it's taken a long time. It's taken a very long time, and that's how it should be. I think I think skepticism is very, very healthy, and I think it's
00:24:12.660 --> 00:24:16.070 Barbara With: skepticism will outlast the truth.
00:24:16.210 --> 00:24:18.999 Barbara With: I mean truth. Truth will outlast skepticism.
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:22.970 Linda Marsanico: Yes, so you were invited to this conference
00:24:23.120 --> 00:24:25.250 Barbara With: I applied to speak.
00:24:25.620 --> 00:24:27.359 Linda Marsanico: Just on a whim
00:24:28.650 --> 00:24:29.470 Barbara With: And
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:47.910 Barbara With: they they invited me because they have different levels. So the 1st level that you go to. And this was 30 years ago. All the all the scientists started it, and it grew into more like, you know, meditators and roomie poets and psychologists and deepak chopra. And
00:24:48.050 --> 00:24:55.180 Barbara With: so I got I called it the Rv. Park of the Conference, because they had all these post boards like
00:24:55.390 --> 00:25:01.740 Barbara With: a hundred different poster boards, and you were just squished in there, and you put up your poster, and you talk to people who walked by
00:25:01.910 --> 00:25:02.400 Linda Marsanico: But
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:24.429 Barbara With: It's great because I met so many people throughout the conference who I could talk to about my work. I met a guy named. I didn't meet him. I met his people named Thomas Campbell. He's a astrophysicist who has the theory of everything. He calls it my big toe, and found out that his theory I had him tell like his folks. Just tell me his theory quick. It's like.
00:25:25.300 --> 00:25:26.860 Barbara With: that's my theory.
00:25:27.170 --> 00:25:34.140 Barbara With: And and they said, If that's true. Then he has the mathematics that back up
00:25:34.570 --> 00:25:43.689 Barbara With: my theoretical, unified filter. So that's just wild and crazy. And so I think back to 2,005,
00:25:44.030 --> 00:25:54.990 Barbara With: where I was like. Oh, my gosh! I have to tell! And now I see. Oh, I'll be sure Brian Green, Astro string theorist totally says black holes can be
00:25:55.340 --> 00:25:59.489 Barbara With: small. And, in fact, maybe we're all in the side of the center of one
00:25:59.800 --> 00:26:00.400 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:26:02.120 --> 00:26:02.760 Barbara With: Easy.
00:26:02.760 --> 00:26:04.580 Linda Marsanico: It is all very, very.
00:26:04.580 --> 00:26:06.399 Barbara With: I wanted to be was a rock star
00:26:07.190 --> 00:26:14.249 Linda Marsanico: So I'm wondering when we talk about unified field theory. Do you have a sense
00:26:14.670 --> 00:26:19.410 Linda Marsanico: that it's perhaps similar to Stephen Hawking's? The theory of everything
00:26:20.270 --> 00:26:27.330 Barbara With: I'm pretty sure that so far, since I've been doing this since 2,006, or 7
00:26:27.330 --> 00:26:27.770 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:26:27.770 --> 00:26:30.350 Barbara With: So whatever. 15, some years.
00:26:30.810 --> 00:26:38.930 Barbara With: every single unified field theory that I have ever seen, and I don't understand physics a lot
00:26:39.560 --> 00:26:49.229 Barbara With: But I've listened to stuff Nassim Harrowman as well as Brian Green. All this stuff we have the most
00:26:49.420 --> 00:26:55.969 Barbara With: complete picture of everything and everything that I see or hear from them.
00:26:56.300 --> 00:26:57.860 Barbara With: I can put on this map
00:27:00.040 --> 00:27:02.870 Linda Marsanico: And the map is the map of of what
00:27:03.010 --> 00:27:06.709 Barbara With: It's the unified field theory with the maps of human consciousness.
00:27:07.470 --> 00:27:11.709 Barbara With: And it's a it's a it's an illustration.
00:27:12.280 --> 00:27:23.199 Barbara With: And it's because it is the unified field field theory. It works exactly the same in the microcosm on the quantum level, as it does on the macrocosm, on the universal level
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:23.980 Linda Marsanico: I see.
00:27:23.980 --> 00:27:34.619 Barbara With: So the when I and it used to be. Now it's electronicized. But I used to travel around quite a bit and draw it by hand from nothing into the whole universe
00:27:35.020 --> 00:27:41.550 Barbara With: and present it all. And then afterwards, everyone would gather around like it was some sort of mandela.
00:27:41.760 --> 00:27:57.700 Barbara With: and just talk about like Whoa. Well, where's Rainbow Bridge? You know that idea of when your dog dies? There's a sort of when you can see we can put it on the map, you know. And where's this? And where's that? It's like, here it is, here it is. It's all here.
00:27:57.820 --> 00:28:00.660 Barbara With: It's really, really fascinating.
00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:03.710 Linda Marsanico: It is all very magical and fascinating.
00:28:07.450 --> 00:28:10.239 Linda Marsanico: I had another question. I'm I'm remembering
00:28:10.520 --> 00:28:31.460 Linda Marsanico: because I have read a lot about Einstein that when he developed his 1st theories. He developed them with physics, and he didn't have the math. He was much more gifted in physics than he was with Math, and he actually went to some of his colleagues who did the math, and it substantiated. You know what his theories were stating
00:28:32.060 --> 00:28:36.360 Barbara With: Yeah, he did it. He did. Vision, he vision visioning.
00:28:36.520 --> 00:28:39.579 Barbara With: he imagined, riding the wave of light
00:28:39.830 --> 00:28:46.040 Barbara With: like his putting his whole body into the vision of what it was, rather than sitting down with the mathematics
00:28:46.560 --> 00:28:51.440 Linda Marsanico: It's very interesting. As a child. I think he didn't speak until he was about 5,
00:28:51.710 --> 00:28:53.819 Linda Marsanico: and he but he thought in pictures.
00:28:54.140 --> 00:29:01.930 Linda Marsanico: and so that would precede all of this gift that you're describing and music? And and did. Was he interested in music?
00:29:01.930 --> 00:29:05.480 Barbara With: Oh, yes, yes, he was very much. He played violin and piano
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:06.879 Linda Marsanico: Yeah, oh, lovely, lovely.
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:07.550 Barbara With: Like me
00:29:07.800 --> 00:29:08.770 Linda Marsanico: Ha! Ha!
00:29:09.280 --> 00:29:13.870 Linda Marsanico: Lot to be said for our musicians of the world. Now
00:29:14.570 --> 00:29:20.180 Linda Marsanico: we are getting ready for a commercial break, and when you come back.
00:29:20.770 --> 00:29:29.329 Linda Marsanico: Would you talk about the kind of research you did to you conducted some research after you were
00:29:29.750 --> 00:29:39.919 Linda Marsanico: given this information, and you're so humble about it, and careful, and and I don't know whether you were skeptical, but I'd like to talk a bit about that.
00:29:40.590 --> 00:29:46.720 Linda Marsanico: So, listeners when we come back. That's what we're going to talk about. But we need to take a break for now
00:31:26.070 --> 00:31:34.799 Linda Marsanico: Hello, everyone! Welcome back to the A. Train to Sedona. I'm Linda Marsaniko with my guest, Barbara with.
00:31:35.120 --> 00:31:39.390 Linda Marsanico: So, Barbara, we're here to resume the discussion
00:31:39.660 --> 00:31:48.080 Linda Marsanico: of the kind of research what you looked into after being given all of this incredible information
00:31:49.590 --> 00:31:57.260 Barbara With: The drive. To do all this, in the 1st place, was completely intuitive.
00:31:57.770 --> 00:32:13.009 Barbara With: At 1 point, after I had started to channel myself in 1987 and I was. I was an antenna, and I thought I wanted to do this group. I thought, what would these voices that I was channeling. What would they say to a group of people since my mentor did that.
00:32:13.080 --> 00:32:29.059 Barbara With: and I couldn't find anyone until these new women came into my life. Teresa and all of her friends, and then Kimberly, her best friend, and we sort of merged at the same time where they were wanting to invite me over and I wanted to. I thought, Well, here's my group.
00:32:29.430 --> 00:32:41.899 Barbara With: So we did our very 1st group channel. And this is really the answer to the question is, what what was this about? Not that we knew we didn't. I had no preconceived idea of what was going to be said in a group channel.
00:32:42.090 --> 00:32:45.240 Barbara With: and we were going to record it and transcribe it.
00:32:45.350 --> 00:32:51.059 Barbara With: And what it eventually turned out to be was these voices said, You can call us angels.
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.729 Barbara With: and that they were here. They had this theory.
00:32:54.980 --> 00:33:03.159 Barbara With: this process, that they thought if humans would do it and resolve conflicts internally
00:33:03.340 --> 00:33:03.750 Linda Marsanico: The, the.
00:33:03.750 --> 00:33:06.580 Barbara With: Byproduct would be world peace.
00:33:06.930 --> 00:33:10.670 Barbara With: But they needed some humans to actually test it on their conflicts.
00:33:11.320 --> 00:33:16.500 Barbara With: and the 3 of us apparently volunteered and were chosen to be those.
00:33:16.620 --> 00:33:32.889 Barbara With: And so they were giving us what we called them the 6 Master Sessions, because we did a lot of triad sessions. And but we did 6 master groups that we invited everybody we knew to come and listen to whatever they were. Gonna tell us we had no idea
00:33:32.890 --> 00:33:33.300 Linda Marsanico: Okay.
00:33:33.300 --> 00:33:35.300 Barbara With: And by the second
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:42.459 Barbara With: the 1st group was about the voices of culture that affect us inside our head, and the second group they called it conflict resolution.
00:33:42.610 --> 00:33:48.890 Barbara With: But the message was, if you're involved in a conflict, the root of your part of it is inside you
00:33:49.080 --> 00:33:50.779 Linda Marsanico: I believe that strongly.
00:33:50.970 --> 00:34:00.069 Barbara With: And I was revolutionary to me at the time, because I was very much a point a finger pointer and I had. My rage was sort of my challenge. And
00:34:00.350 --> 00:34:08.159 Barbara With: but so that was revolutionary. And and so what happened was we? The 3 of us
00:34:08.530 --> 00:34:11.390 Barbara With: eventually had our 1st fight
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:12.920 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:25.010 Barbara With: And we literally it was the pressure was building and the pressure was building. And so we decided we would sit that we'll have at lunch, and we're going to talk about it right? Like we conflict resolution
00:34:25.010 --> 00:34:27.419 Linda Marsanico: Was it a real fight, or did you? Yeah.
00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:30.456 Linda Marsanico: no, it would. Yeah, you yeah. You can't pretend to have a fight
00:34:31.139 --> 00:34:42.359 Barbara With: And then test the theory. And it was. It was funny because it was not a fight about he said. She said it was that I had had this incredible vision
00:34:43.139 --> 00:34:49.829 Barbara With: at that time about the basically ended up with this thing that I think we are God.
00:34:50.319 --> 00:34:55.119 Barbara With: And and Kim, who was very much raised as a Christian.
00:34:55.319 --> 00:35:00.769 Barbara With: She's like, I can't be God, I'm I'm crap on the bottom of God's shoe, that's who I am.
00:35:00.969 --> 00:35:11.209 Barbara With: So we were having this fight kind of. But we got together right. The conflict resolution. And we start to like, I try to start to explain about.
00:35:11.409 --> 00:35:18.259 Barbara With: you know the process that they're trying to teach us, and she's trying to do this and that. And finally, you know, it's just boiling over.
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:24.959 Barbara With: And I said, wait. Wait. Let's get the transcript and read it and do it.
00:35:25.139 --> 00:35:29.379 Barbara With: And so I went and got it. And I read that statement. If you're involved in the conflict.
00:35:30.089 --> 00:35:49.359 Barbara With: and it took us a couple more cycles. Of what? What does that mean? You know? What does that mean? It's inside me. And then suddenly, because we were all trying to like. We were trying each of us to turn around and look at ourselves, but we didn't quite want to, or you know know what that meant.
00:35:49.799 --> 00:35:59.159 Barbara With: It's like the angel sort of gave us a help. And there was this kind of Satori kind of swooshy moment for the 3 of us at my dining room table.
00:35:59.879 --> 00:36:04.809 Barbara With: and we started crying. And I said, Okay, here's what I need to do.
00:36:05.379 --> 00:36:13.639 Barbara With: I need to pay attention to you guys, I can't be, do you know? And then, Kim? You know what? And here's what I need to do. And
00:36:13.929 --> 00:36:22.899 Barbara With: we just we were just so overtaken by how profound the orchestrated experience was
00:36:23.309 --> 00:36:28.499 Barbara With: in the bigger picture of things, but also how it turned out.
00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:43.839 Barbara With: and maybe what was most profound was, I went to work that night I was singing at a club in Minneapolis, and there was a waitress there who never had the time of day for me 2 years I worked at that club, and and just I walked in. She couldn't get enough of me.
00:36:44.489 --> 00:36:56.119 Barbara With: Arra! Do you like Patti Smith? I've got these cassettes. I'd love to give them to you, and I was very suspicious. It's like skeptical. And then I thought, this is what the angels are talking about
00:36:56.409 --> 00:36:58.549 Barbara With: that when we change it here.
00:36:59.109 --> 00:37:09.419 Barbara With: when we just change it here. It doesn't even have to do with the arena. And we clear this out. Things around us change that we can't even facilitate.
00:37:09.589 --> 00:37:18.399 Barbara With: So that was really the beginning of that research that I'm that I still do every day today, because conflicts are a way of life.
00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:24.979 Linda Marsanico: I often say when I'm speaking or when I'm writing that we have interactions
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:30.020 Linda Marsanico: and we have reactions to those interactions.
00:37:30.290 --> 00:37:40.999 Linda Marsanico: And when the reactions. Well, they could be so-called positive or negative. But if it's a negative reaction, it is an opportunity for us to look within.
00:37:41.550 --> 00:37:57.670 Linda Marsanico: What does it say about me. What can I learn about it? Is there something I need to be changing about myself? Because really the answers are within, and the journey is an inward journey to the core of where love exists and God exists. And many of us believe that
00:37:58.020 --> 00:38:01.089 Linda Marsanico: Creator is in every electron of the body.
00:38:01.650 --> 00:38:06.619 Linda Marsanico: So we're looking within, we're asking within. And we're interacting with Creator.
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:08.960 Linda Marsanico: That's very powerful.
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:19.080 Barbara With: Absolutely and think about this is that you and I can walk in a room, and the same person can approach. Each of us say that exactly the same thing. You can lose your mind.
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.350 Barbara With: and I can go, hey? That's cool, because
00:38:22.350 --> 00:38:38.650 Barbara With: that's your thing. That's your perspective and your your gift, and I'll have my own. Somebody else will walk in the room and show me what I need to see in me, so I think it is the most. It not only is the most powerful transformation, but it's the most
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:40.140 Barbara With: systemic.
00:38:40.770 --> 00:38:58.359 Barbara With: like when you, when you get it at that root level on your own like. Oh, it's a decision I'm making. I'm lying to myself. They're not. They may be lying to me, but I'm lying to myself, and when I stop lying to myself. Here is when systemic change, then can happen
00:38:59.340 --> 00:39:06.689 Linda Marsanico: And really these are gifts from the universe. When we have these interactions. And I say, I say to my clients, I say to myself.
00:39:07.900 --> 00:39:09.610 Linda Marsanico: When we don't get it.
00:39:10.030 --> 00:39:18.040 Linda Marsanico: the situation is going to repeat itself again and again. Universe will send them, not to punish us, but to help us grow.
00:39:19.290 --> 00:39:21.621 Linda Marsanico: So it's it's a sobering thought.
00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:28.029 Linda Marsanico: and there was a there's a book that I like very much the whole series that Neil Donald Walsh wrote
00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:33.439 Linda Marsanico: conversations with God, and in one of them he says, You know God, I don't think I want to deal with that.
00:39:33.560 --> 00:39:41.670 Linda Marsanico: So God says, take 10,000 lifetimes, Neil and Neil says, Oh, I think I'm gonna deal with that right now.
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:42.675 Linda Marsanico: So
00:39:42.950 --> 00:39:45.409 Barbara With: Okay, all right, fine.
00:39:46.750 --> 00:39:55.660 Barbara With: because I think we have so much more of a hand in it than we want to admit. It's very hard to think that you would create things for yourself. That would seem so
00:39:56.310 --> 00:40:08.890 Barbara With: suffering. But it's absolutely the only way that we can learn how to use our free will to willingly make the decisions
00:40:09.150 --> 00:40:17.009 Barbara With: to, for we call it for the good of the whole compassion, making decisions for the good of the whole, starting with ourselves
00:40:17.010 --> 00:40:24.300 Linda Marsanico: Yes, compassion is a very important topic for me. Because when I
00:40:24.520 --> 00:40:43.390 Linda Marsanico: started writing, I developed my website and I wanted it to be, this is 2013. And I wanted the website to be about spirituality. But I didn't know how to focus it. Spirituality is such a wide topic, a wide concept. It took me about 6 months.
00:40:43.820 --> 00:40:52.699 Linda Marsanico: and I thought, it's going to be about love and compassion, because when you're loving and compassionate, whether you know it or not. You're spiritual.
00:40:53.530 --> 00:41:01.219 Barbara With: Yeah. And I think that for Einstein to frame compassion with a capital C.
00:41:01.220 --> 00:41:01.620 Linda Marsanico: And
00:41:01.620 --> 00:41:18.800 Barbara With: The 5th fundamental force of the universe as the intelligence that uses the other 4 fundamental forces to basically create the world, which is basically God. I thought how brilliant that every spirituality worth its weight in anything.
00:41:19.190 --> 00:41:21.030 Barbara With: How's that intrude? Love
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:33.000 Barbara With: And so compassion sort of encompasses all of them, all of every field of belief, system, and spirituality
00:41:33.910 --> 00:41:38.560 Linda Marsanico: For me. Love and compassion are soul sisters, because you can't have one without the other.
00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:41.939 Linda Marsanico: and I've written blogs about it. It's it's
00:41:42.190 --> 00:41:49.429 Linda Marsanico: a very important topic. Greg Braden writes a lot about compassion and about how, when we are compassionate.
00:41:49.610 --> 00:41:56.440 Linda Marsanico: we, this affects the our cells and the DNA, and we reach
00:41:56.690 --> 00:42:01.950 Linda Marsanico: higher levels of possibility within our self.
00:42:02.090 --> 00:42:07.339 Linda Marsanico: So I see that as a bridge to
00:42:07.600 --> 00:42:12.359 Linda Marsanico: the things that we, you and I and people like us hope for and work toward.
00:42:12.630 --> 00:42:18.520 Linda Marsanico: To be compassionate is really a very important and worthy goal.
00:42:19.370 --> 00:42:23.519 Linda Marsanico: And I'm interested also, I know we we have a few minutes before the break.
00:42:24.024 --> 00:42:29.370 Linda Marsanico: Is there anything more that we need to say about this? What we're talking about now
00:42:29.490 --> 00:42:31.690 Linda Marsanico: just want to be sure, before we rush off
00:42:32.780 --> 00:42:44.110 Barbara With: No, I think there's always so much to say about it, but I think that the importance of people understanding that their individual work is part of this greater
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:50.970 Barbara With: Gestalt of compassion. Compassion is really that rudimental energy where we all meet
00:42:51.390 --> 00:42:59.959 Linda Marsanico: Hmm, yes, and I will want to talk to you about the map of consciousness.
00:43:00.450 --> 00:43:05.309 Linda Marsanico: And we're probably going to do a little bit here, and then a little bit after the break.
00:43:05.420 --> 00:43:10.049 Linda Marsanico: Now, where would we find a copy of it?
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:12.620 Linda Marsanico: Is it in one of your books
00:43:13.060 --> 00:43:14.369 Barbara With: Yes, it is. It's
00:43:14.370 --> 00:43:15.290 Linda Marsanico: Which one
00:43:15.290 --> 00:43:20.530 Barbara With: It's in Einstein et Al manifestation.
00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:24.480 Barbara With: conflict, revolution, and the new operating system.
00:43:25.430 --> 00:43:36.170 Barbara With: It's the definitive Einstein where I sat down and illustrated finally, all of the theories
00:43:36.630 --> 00:43:49.880 Linda Marsanico: Now that book was, is the winner of the 2,016 best book, Award for New Age and Finalist. In the 2017. Book, excellence award for body, mind, spirit.
00:43:50.950 --> 00:43:52.980 Linda Marsanico: That's quite an
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:53.500 Barbara With: This.
00:43:53.830 --> 00:43:54.560 Linda Marsanico: Barbara.
00:43:54.720 --> 00:43:57.240 Barbara With: I'm very honored, very, very honored.
00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:02.650 Linda Marsanico: And okay, we have that book. And then
00:44:02.970 --> 00:44:05.170 Linda Marsanico: we'll talk about your other books.
00:44:05.690 --> 00:44:10.890 Linda Marsanico: I and I do want to talk a little bit more about the map of consciousness
00:44:10.890 --> 00:44:11.560 Barbara With: Yes, yes.
00:44:11.560 --> 00:44:20.179 Linda Marsanico: So when we come back we will do that. Talk more about Barbara's books and this map of consciousness.
00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:24.849 Linda Marsanico: Is there more than one map, Barbara. I have maps here
00:44:25.590 --> 00:44:32.149 Barbara With: Well, there there are, and there aren't. There's different version. There's different pieces of a big huge map
00:44:32.810 --> 00:44:37.190 Linda Marsanico: So we'll talk about that. But for now we're going to take a break, and we will be back
00:46:11.640 --> 00:46:20.200 Linda Marsanico: Hello, everyone! Welcome back to the A. Train to Sedona. I'm Linda Marsanico with my guest, Barbara with.
00:46:21.020 --> 00:46:24.310 Linda Marsanico: So Barbara. Before the broadcast we had a
00:46:24.600 --> 00:46:46.550 Linda Marsanico: a brief conversation about another of your books, imagining Einstein essays on M. Theory, world Peace, and the Science of Compassion. Now it won a national best book award in 2,007 for fiction and literature, new age, fiction. Would you share with our listeners that
00:46:47.390 --> 00:46:53.139 Linda Marsanico: award and the fact that people are? It's under an umbrella of fiction and literature
00:46:53.910 --> 00:47:10.059 Barbara With: This was an award that was given out at Book Expo, 2,007. Book Expo, is probably the world's most foremost book conferences around the world in New York, and it won in that category, and my managers had
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:19.720 Barbara With: submitted my application to that contest, and I actually didn't have have any idea about it until
00:47:20.346 --> 00:47:24.560 Barbara With: they went out of business before the conference.
00:47:24.700 --> 00:47:27.579 Barbara With: but were nice enough to let me know that I had won that.
00:47:28.080 --> 00:47:38.800 Barbara With: So I imagine that fiction is a safe category. I always say that I'm not really here to convince you that I'm talking to Einstein, you know.
00:47:39.020 --> 00:47:44.910 Barbara With: feel free to think I made the whole thing up. But then you tell me what it is that he's saying.
00:47:45.070 --> 00:47:47.350 Barbara With: And now I knew this. So
00:47:47.550 --> 00:47:50.999 Barbara With: so yeah, that's that's what that award was for
00:47:51.290 --> 00:47:57.849 Linda Marsanico: Thanks for sharing that Barbara back to the maps of consciousness. How do we utilize them?
00:47:59.150 --> 00:48:01.140 Barbara With: Well, very basically.
00:48:01.550 --> 00:48:07.019 Barbara With: The map of human consciousness that, I explained briefly to people is that
00:48:07.210 --> 00:48:12.710 Barbara With: we have these what we call the 3 human dimensions.
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:18.789 Barbara With: and they are very briefly, intellect, which we find swirling around in our heads
00:48:19.540 --> 00:48:26.529 Barbara With: Intuition which is emanating from our hearts and emotion which comes out of our solar plexus
00:48:27.020 --> 00:48:35.010 Barbara With: and in our model. These 3 human dimensions have very specific definitions of what they do.
00:48:35.160 --> 00:48:37.010 Barbara With: how they work together.
00:48:37.330 --> 00:48:41.510 Barbara With: And then there's also what we call the witness.
00:48:41.650 --> 00:48:48.310 Barbara With: which is when we cultivate the the ability we have to sort of step outside ourselves and watch ourselves
00:48:48.560 --> 00:49:04.050 Barbara With: like we're a director on the play rather than the actor. And these 3 human dimensions are what shapes our whole entire experience of what we're experiencing
00:49:04.290 --> 00:49:04.700 Linda Marsanico: Okay.
00:49:04.700 --> 00:49:05.909 Barbara With: The physical world.
00:49:05.910 --> 00:49:06.580 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:49:07.060 --> 00:49:12.560 Barbara With: So they are part of creating our human bodies.
00:49:12.770 --> 00:49:15.200 Barbara With: and then our human bodies are part of
00:49:15.430 --> 00:49:23.560 Barbara With: sort of projecting, and then perceiving the whole universe in this way that this map shows us how it's done.
00:49:23.950 --> 00:49:30.036 Barbara With: But these 3 human dimensions, it's our connection and our
00:49:31.080 --> 00:49:38.180 Barbara With: like, it's our domain. Shall we say of what we have been given control over in life
00:49:38.540 --> 00:49:41.979 Barbara With: and it? And if you think about it.
00:49:42.370 --> 00:49:44.290 Barbara With: no one can think your thoughts.
00:49:44.780 --> 00:49:52.360 Barbara With: No one can feel your feelings, no one can listen for your intuition. This is your domain.
00:49:52.740 --> 00:49:59.130 Barbara With: and so we teach people how to have a daily relationship to those
00:49:59.550 --> 00:50:09.859 Barbara With: dimensions which you know when people say well as within, so without or turn within, I don't know about you, but for many, many years what does that even mean?
00:50:09.860 --> 00:50:10.490 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:50:10.490 --> 00:50:30.849 Barbara With: You know you turn within. And then what are you looking at? So this map that Einstein's given us? It's so brilliant, it's so simple. It's not easy to do when you're out there, and you know you get triggered with an emotion, and then your thoughts are going, and then intuition is trying to get you to do something. But your ego isn't, you know. So there's a lot to do with that. But
00:50:31.020 --> 00:50:38.580 Barbara With: that's what that map really clearly illustrates about not only how it works, but then how to have mastery
00:50:38.830 --> 00:50:40.120 Barbara With: over it.
00:50:41.500 --> 00:50:43.160 Linda Marsanico: Very rich.
00:50:43.710 --> 00:50:53.829 Linda Marsanico: and as a spiritual coach, I can tell you, it stands very well in the the realm of what I consider moving forward in health.
00:50:54.490 --> 00:51:01.020 Linda Marsanico: energy, and and having an effect on the world peace on world peace.
00:51:06.130 --> 00:51:11.589 Linda Marsanico: So what is the one thing you want people to know in this chaotic world?
00:51:13.730 --> 00:51:19.619 Barbara With: Well given that I've just sort of described this basic concept of these 3 human dimensions.
00:51:20.130 --> 00:51:27.999 Barbara With: I want people to know that, according to our model, and according to every single study I've done on myself and watched people do.
00:51:28.350 --> 00:51:34.079 Barbara With: Is that the conflict that is at the root
00:51:34.230 --> 00:51:42.800 Barbara With: of everything that manifests, whether it's with your mother, or at work, or the war, or anything
00:51:43.740 --> 00:51:49.960 Barbara With: is, comes down to this one tiny little spot of conflict, and that is
00:51:50.220 --> 00:51:57.060 Barbara With: when emotion is flowing up from your solar plexus, and it's informing your intuition.
00:51:57.370 --> 00:52:17.719 Barbara With: So emotion is so valuable. We don't want to just a little bit of it. We want the whole thing to be flowing up, and it flows up, and it forms intuition. That's always going to tell us that next step that's going to be best for this whole operating system, because intuition is that voice of compassion. It knows all that our intellects doesn't know it. So
00:52:18.430 --> 00:52:21.030 Barbara With: when it gets to the intellect.
00:52:21.250 --> 00:52:26.959 Barbara With: so intuition is empowering you to take this step. Maybe it's something as simple as rest.
00:52:27.390 --> 00:52:30.610 Barbara With: You know how many times our bodies have said rest
00:52:30.870 --> 00:52:31.240 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:52:31.240 --> 00:52:35.270 Barbara With: The same way gets to our intellect and intellect, says.
00:52:35.740 --> 00:52:45.059 Barbara With: I can't rest. I've got this, this, this this that I have to do, and because decisions are actually implemented
00:52:45.330 --> 00:52:53.510 Barbara With: in the intellect, you don't turn the wheel of the car with an intuitive, impelling
00:52:53.650 --> 00:52:54.320 Linda Marsanico: Right.
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.389 Barbara With: We can say no to our intuition.
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:02.019 Barbara With: And we do, and that, Einstein says.
00:53:02.150 --> 00:53:07.240 Barbara With: is the root of every conflict that manifests in the lens. Every single one
00:53:07.460 --> 00:53:08.060 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:53:08.060 --> 00:53:14.189 Barbara With: So intuition doesn't steer you wrong to do things
00:53:14.650 --> 00:53:19.829 Barbara With: That might drive you into doing things that you need to do that. Maybe you don't want to do so, whatever.
00:53:20.150 --> 00:53:26.989 Barbara With: But it's when we don't listen to it, and we don't do its impelling.
00:53:27.430 --> 00:53:30.310 Barbara With: Then we're making decisions for the good of few
00:53:30.730 --> 00:53:35.450 Barbara With: at the expense of the many which is Einstein's definition of evil
00:53:36.740 --> 00:53:42.760 Linda Marsanico: It's taken me a while to listen to my intuition, and I often take little 20 min naps
00:53:43.170 --> 00:53:46.990 Linda Marsanico: because I get tired. I'm such a high energy, person
00:53:47.120 --> 00:53:54.809 Linda Marsanico: and rest, and I remember in a session, once one of my clients did a 10 min meditation.
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.650 Linda Marsanico: I asked, what was the experience like. Was it relaxing?
00:53:58.870 --> 00:54:01.330 Linda Marsanico: He said, Linda, it was like a power nap.
00:54:02.810 --> 00:54:07.279 Linda Marsanico: you know. So whether it's a meditation or a mantra repeated.
00:54:07.610 --> 00:54:14.490 Linda Marsanico: or it's actually resting on your bed or your couch. It's really good stuff
00:54:15.190 --> 00:54:30.670 Barbara With: And resting your thinking. People don't think about that. You can be standing in line at the supermarket, and your mind can be racing. You're in tomorrow, and you're into yesterday and rest. Just rest that. Just look at what's around. You. Take a breath.
00:54:30.850 --> 00:54:31.610 Barbara With: Yeah.
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:35.360 Linda Marsanico: It. It's quite something that meditation
00:54:36.630 --> 00:54:49.439 Linda Marsanico: takes. What you start to meditate. We get out of the thinking mind. We start to relax, and then we get into our multidimensionality, which is the prize I mean. It's all wonderful.
00:54:49.580 --> 00:54:51.530 Linda Marsanico: But meditation is.
00:54:52.390 --> 00:54:55.870 Linda Marsanico: I don't know what to call it. It's just beautiful, and
00:54:56.240 --> 00:54:59.980 Linda Marsanico: it's a gift that we have to connect
00:55:00.420 --> 00:55:01.000 Barbara With: Yes.
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:10.870 Linda Marsanico: Out of our concrete three-dimensional experience into 4, th 5, th and more dimensions. There must be. There's a physicist, Sue Randall.
00:55:11.160 --> 00:55:12.859 Linda Marsanico: She's she used to be at.
00:55:13.080 --> 00:55:36.600 Linda Marsanico: She might be at Harvard now, and she says there are so many dimensions that if you have a PIN in every space, there would be at least that many dimensions, so we can only imagine. And when he was alive Stephen Hawking's sat at a conference with her, and she said, my theories must be gathering steam, because Stephen Hawking sat next to me
00:55:36.600 --> 00:55:37.620 Barbara With: Exactly.
00:55:38.810 --> 00:55:42.399 Linda Marsanico: Oh, no go ahead!
00:55:42.660 --> 00:55:57.960 Barbara With: Would. Just. I just want to add that I would love if your listeners would start to think about these dimensions like independently, like as you're just going about the day, start thinking about. What does it mean that your thought processes
00:55:58.090 --> 00:56:19.739 Barbara With: are different than your emotional processes, because so often emotion of anxiety will come up. Maybe intuition will say, you know, take a breath or breathe, and it'll get in here with all the horses, the intellect, wild horses trampling, and you can't so, dealing with them separately, pulling the emotion away from the thinking
00:56:20.220 --> 00:56:25.229 Barbara With: kind of relaxes and releases it a bit so it can become more malleable
00:56:26.660 --> 00:56:30.020 Linda Marsanico: It's really paying attention to our complexity.
00:56:30.020 --> 00:56:30.760 Barbara With: Yes.
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:33.110 Linda Marsanico: Have a this, and I have a bad, and I have.
00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:42.639 Linda Marsanico: I think creative was very I don't wanna say creative, magnificent in designing us, if I must myself
00:56:42.640 --> 00:56:43.040 Barbara With: As
00:56:44.060 --> 00:56:48.489 Linda Marsanico: So we have. We're getting to the end of the show. And I wondered.
00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:52.400 Linda Marsanico: is there anything else you'd like to share with our listeners today? Barbara?
00:56:53.470 --> 00:56:59.040 Barbara With: Just that. I'm very optimistic. I think we, as humans more than ever
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:03.410 Barbara With: have this capacity to master ourselves.
00:57:03.600 --> 00:57:26.079 Barbara With: And that's the new frontier. As far as I think the scientists I heard talking was the new frontier is consciousness, and we each have that at our root. So let's explore and and take responsibility for what is ours, and let go of what's not ours, and I think life becomes much more manageable and much more magical as well
00:57:26.260 --> 00:57:28.890 Linda Marsanico: Truly, where can listeners find you?
00:57:29.350 --> 00:57:41.629 Barbara With: Barbara with WITH. BARB. A, RAWI. TH. Barbara with.com. I'm also at synergyalliancellc.
00:57:42.090 --> 00:57:56.140 Barbara With: That's more the publishing house and a lot of stuff they're all interconnected in there, and yes, and if any of your listeners want to reach out, I'm happy to give you an hour reading for the price of a half hour reading if they would like to
00:57:56.370 --> 00:57:58.560 Barbara With: take me up on that, and you, too.
00:57:59.870 --> 00:58:03.310 Linda Marsanico: In our show notes. We have all of this listed.
00:58:03.590 --> 00:58:10.140 Linda Marsanico: and you can find the actual links for what Barbara is suggesting to you.
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.409 Linda Marsanico: Thank you so much for being with us, Barbara.
00:58:14.410 --> 00:58:16.259 Barbara With: Oh, thank you, thank you.
00:58:16.670 --> 00:58:19.380 Linda Marsanico: And next week, listeners. I have
00:58:19.570 --> 00:58:34.619 Linda Marsanico: an interview with Ralph White, who is the co-founder of the open center in New York City. Now that closed a few years ago, and he's now starting a new venture. Stay tuned. You'll hear lots of exciting things as well.
00:58:35.120 --> 00:58:36.859 Linda Marsanico: But, bye, for now everyone
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