This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes lecturer and author, Paul Levy.
Paul Levy is a pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence and a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for more than 35 years.
An artist, after the trauma of his shamanic break-down/break-through, he became a certified art teacher. Due to his great interest in the work of Carl Jung, he became the manager of the Carl Jung Foundation Book Service in New York, as well as the advertising manager for the Jungian journal, Quadrant.
In 1993, after many years of struggling to contain and integrate his non-ordinary experiences, Paul started to openly share his insights about the dreamlike nature of reality. He began giving talks and facilitating groups based on how life is a shared waking dream that we are all co-creating and co-dreaming together. He is the founder of the Awakening in the Dream Community in Portland, Oregon.
He is the author of The Madness of George Bush, Wetiko, Dispelling Wetiko, and Awakened by Darkness. Sam and Paul will be discussing his ground-breaking book The Quantum Revelation: A Radical Synthesis of Science and Spirituality.
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Sam Liebowitz opens the episode by reflecting on the fine line between expressing emotions and slipping into a victim mindset, emphasizing the importance of mindfulness in our words and tone. He shares insights from his blog post, urging listeners to recognize when they shift from authentic sharing to disempowering complaints, which often arise unconsciously. By cultivating awareness of our own participation in situations and taking responsibility for our perspectives, we reclaim our power and align with a more conscious, empowered way of being.
Paul Levy, a pioneer in spiritual emergence, shares his transformative journey of awakening and how quantum physics helped him contextualize his experiences, revealing the dreamlike nature of reality. He explains that quantum physics is not just a scientific revolution but a profound spiritual revelation, showing that we are all co-dreaming and shaping reality through our consciousness. This insight empowers individuals to recognize their creative potential and step into a more awakened state, where they can collectively shift the dream of reality toward healing and transformation.
Paul Levy explains that quantum physics serves as the antidote to the mind virus known as Wetiko, which distorts perception and traps individuals in a self-reinforcing illusion of separation and objectivity. He highlights that quantum physics reveals reality as a co-created dream, where our consciousness shapes our experiences, and recognizing this empowers us to break free from limiting beliefs. By understanding that we are interconnected, creative beings rather than isolated selves, we can dispel illusions, reclaim our power, and collectively awaken from the illusion of separateness that fuels conflict and suffering.
Paul Levy emphasizes that healing the world begins with individual awakening, as each person's realization of the dreamlike nature of reality contributes to the collective consciousness, creating a ripple effect of transformation. He explains that as more people embody this awareness and connect with one another, they can co-create a reality based on compassion, creativity, and interdependence, ultimately dispelling the illusion of separation that fuels suffering. By recognizing our own quantum nature and embracing our creative power, we can shift from being trapped in a self-perpetuating illusion to actively shaping a new, awakened world together.
00:00:45.760 --> 00:00:52.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Welcome to another edition of
00:00:53.320 --> 00:01:16.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the conscious Consultant hour awakening humanity. I am very, very pleased that you're all here with me today. We have a wonderful show in store for you as soon as my guest can get in having some zoom issues, but I'm sure he'll be in shortly a wonderful author, who I'm happy to have come back on the show.
00:01:17.780 --> 00:01:26.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But of course, 1st we have my blog post from a couple of years ago that we'll talk about while we're waiting for him to get on board.
00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:30.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And this blog post is entitled.
00:01:30.940 --> 00:01:38.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is a fine line between expressing our feelings and complaining.
00:01:39.890 --> 00:01:42.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is important to express how we feel.
00:01:43.510 --> 00:01:46.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to let others know where we stand
00:01:47.290 --> 00:01:50.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and share how things are affecting us.
00:01:51.900 --> 00:01:55.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes we do not share enough.
00:01:56.110 --> 00:01:58.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: other times we share too much.
00:02:00.090 --> 00:02:05.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There are also moments when our sharing turns into something else.
00:02:07.100 --> 00:02:14.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we express ourselves, we can come from a different place internally.
00:02:15.510 --> 00:02:21.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Then there is a sudden shift from sharing how we feel into complaining.
00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:26.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can come. We can cross that line very easily.
00:02:28.030 --> 00:02:31.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Often we do it without even noticing
00:02:33.030 --> 00:02:36.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what started as a moment of sharing
00:02:38.350 --> 00:02:49.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how something unpleasant affected us can soon turn into a complaint about the other person or the situation.
00:02:51.040 --> 00:02:55.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Perhaps someone or some organization did something wrong.
00:02:56.270 --> 00:03:03.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and we can feel completely justified in telling the world how we feel about it.
00:03:04.060 --> 00:03:12.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet when we slip into that place of victimhood, our expressing turns into complaining
00:03:13.770 --> 00:03:18.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: suddenly, it is no longer about how we feel.
00:03:19.530 --> 00:03:24.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It can quickly shift into making the other person wrong.
00:03:24.880 --> 00:03:30.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for there is a fine line that affects how we express ourselves.
00:03:30.750 --> 00:03:38.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that line is determined by where we are coming from internally?
00:03:39.720 --> 00:03:44.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Are we coming from a place of knowing that we are a creator of our life?
00:03:46.160 --> 00:03:52.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or are we coming from a place where life is happening to us, and we have no choice.
00:03:53.950 --> 00:03:59.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This sort of victim mentality is rampant in our society.
00:04:00.230 --> 00:04:08.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so it is easy to get seduced by it and fall into that energy without knowing it.
00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:14.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This is why it is important for us to listen to our own words.
00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:24.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for what comes out of our mouths tells us where we are, as well
00:04:24.990 --> 00:04:28.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: as the inflection we say it with.
00:04:29.420 --> 00:04:33.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for that fine line is determined by our inflection.
00:04:36.280 --> 00:04:40.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It can go one way or another, so easily.
00:04:40.780 --> 00:04:48.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so checking in with ourselves and seeing where we really are at, becomes key.
00:04:50.070 --> 00:04:53.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How mindful are you when you express yourself?
00:04:54.370 --> 00:05:00.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can you catch yourself when you step over the line from expressing to complaining.
00:05:02.450 --> 00:05:09.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So this blog post I wrote a couple of years ago. When I
00:05:09.760 --> 00:05:15.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I was having a discussion with my wife, and we were talking about
00:05:15.380 --> 00:05:21.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: an interaction with somebody that we knew, and how
00:05:22.200 --> 00:05:28.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it felt like the person was, had started off as just expressing themselves.
00:05:28.750 --> 00:05:34.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but that expression very quickly degenerated into just complaining about
00:05:35.090 --> 00:05:37.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: this other person in their life.
00:05:39.790 --> 00:05:47.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and when we tried to point it out to the person they were like. Oh, I'm just expressing how I feel. I'm just expressing how I feel.
00:05:50.660 --> 00:05:52.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I'm sure that was true.
00:05:55.110 --> 00:06:00.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And by the words they were using.
00:06:00.740 --> 00:06:06.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: by the tone of the voice, by their inflection. I'm very big on inflection.
00:06:06.650 --> 00:06:17.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: By their inflection you can tell that they had travel down this path from expressing how they feel
00:06:17.890 --> 00:06:24.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: into making the other person wrong, into making themselves a victim, and not
00:06:25.610 --> 00:06:30.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: seeing their own participation in the situation.
00:06:31.330 --> 00:06:37.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so that's what kind of motive me to write this blog post, because
00:06:38.520 --> 00:06:44.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it can happen so quickly and so subtly that we don't even notice.
00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:55.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And yeah, a lot has been written about and spoken about, you know, being a victim, and how, being a victim that just disempowers us, and this and that.
00:06:57.470 --> 00:07:03.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But we don't often see how it shows up in the world. How does it show up for ourselves in our life?
00:07:06.210 --> 00:07:18.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And this is why I feel it's very important to be very mindful when we're speaking of
00:07:19.070 --> 00:07:21.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of the energy behind our words.
00:07:22.280 --> 00:07:30.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of of Truly, where are we coming from when we're talking about a particular topic, especially when it comes to other people.
00:07:32.350 --> 00:07:40.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because so often what we see in other people is merely a reflection of things within ourselves.
00:07:41.270 --> 00:07:49.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And when we start complaining about, they did this, and they did that, and you know they they hurt me by doing this.
00:07:52.540 --> 00:08:04.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and we start to lose, seeing ourselves in our participation in the whole situation.
00:08:04.950 --> 00:08:08.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now look, this is not to say that there
00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:12.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: are not people out there who do incredibly awful things.
00:08:12.440 --> 00:08:17.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just read the news. You can see it every single day. It's always all over the news.
00:08:19.880 --> 00:08:22.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but that's not what I'm talking about.
00:08:24.770 --> 00:08:32.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What I'm talking about is how we have a tendency. Not everybody, but
00:08:33.250 --> 00:08:45.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: many of us, have this tendency to turn ourselves into a victim, a victim of an abuser of
00:08:48.890 --> 00:08:49.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of
00:08:56.570 --> 00:09:02.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Forgive me. I'm just getting some messages from my guest who's having trouble getting in.
00:09:02.660 --> 00:09:04.777 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I lost my train of thought.
00:09:05.290 --> 00:09:11.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But the point being that we fall into this victimhood very easily victim of technology.
00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:14.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so
00:09:18.370 --> 00:09:21.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it challenges us and makes it very
00:09:22.830 --> 00:09:26.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: difficult for us to see ourselves in the situation.
00:09:26.860 --> 00:09:33.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and to see how we're undermining ourselves and how we're showing up, and even how we're talking about it.
00:09:34.930 --> 00:09:40.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so this blog post is really a reminder to show us how.
00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:54.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when we're mindful of the things we're saying, and if we can catch ourselves in the complaining mode that
00:10:05.760 --> 00:10:08.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that when we catch ourselves complaining
00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:12.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that that is a big clue, and that can show us
00:10:12.520 --> 00:10:22.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: really where we're at that that can show us. Hmm! Maybe we're not really coming from a very centered, neutral.
00:10:22.250 --> 00:10:29.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: empowered place, and when we stop coming from an empowered place
00:10:30.968 --> 00:10:36.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that's when we slip into this sort of unconscious
00:10:37.970 --> 00:10:43.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: way of being where we start blaming and disempowering ourselves.
00:10:48.450 --> 00:10:54.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, I have to go deal with something right now.
00:10:55.080 --> 00:11:23.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So my guest is having some technical trouble getting into the zoom room. So we're going to go to break a little bit early, and I'm going to try and work out getting them into the zoom room. So we're going to cut this a little short again. The title of my blog post was, there is a fine line between expressing our feelings and complaining, and you can always find my blog post at theconsciousconsultant.com or on talkradio dot nyc slash blog.
00:11:24.630 --> 00:11:34.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So thank you all for tuning in hope you enjoyed that blog post. Stay tuned. We're going to take a break, and we're going to see if we can get our guest into the room.
00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:36.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We'll be right back.
00:00:25.010 --> 00:00:45.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. It is now my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show lecturer and author, Paul Levy, returning guest to the show, and Paul is a pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence, and a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner. For more than 35 years
00:00:45.730 --> 00:01:05.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: an artist. After trauma of his Shamanic breakdown, slash breakthrough, he became a certified art teacher, due to his great interest in the work of Carl Jung. He became the manager of the Carl Jung Foundation Book Service in New York, as well as the advertising manager for the Jungian Journal Quadrant
00:01:05.930 --> 00:01:24.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in 1993. After many years of struggling to contain and integrate his non-ordinary experiences, Paul started to openly share his insights about the dreamlike nature of reality. He began giving talks and facilitating groups based on how life is shared.
00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:43.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how life is a shared, waking dream, that we were all co-creating and co-dreaming together. He is founder of the Awakening in the dream community in Portland, Oregon, as well as the author of the Madness of George Bush Wetiko, dispelling Wetiko
00:01:44.100 --> 00:02:02.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: undreaming Witiko, and awakening by the darkness, and we're here to talk about his reissuance of his groundbreaking book, the quantum revelation, a radical synthesis of science and spirituality welcome to the conscious consultant hour. Paul.
00:02:02.460 --> 00:02:03.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: please unmute yourself.
00:02:07.810 --> 00:02:10.089 paul levy: Yeah, no, I'm happy to be here. Yeah, really.
00:02:10.090 --> 00:02:13.636 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's it's it's a pleasure to have you back.
00:02:15.220 --> 00:02:16.486 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and
00:02:17.320 --> 00:02:34.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we you had come on the show a couple of years ago to talk about the Wetiko books, which which are wonderful things I've known about for years, but I really I was fascinated by your take on quantum physics and quantum mechanics. And and
00:02:34.990 --> 00:02:52.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I really wanted to dive into that in this episode. And so let's just start with what got you so interested in physics. I mean you. Really, you come from more of an art and sort of a psychological background. What sort of drew you to
00:02:52.340 --> 00:02:55.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to this idea of of quantum physics.
00:02:55.260 --> 00:03:05.729 paul levy: Yeah, no, that's a great question. And basically, it was just experiential. Over 40 years ago I had a life transforming spiritual awakening. You know the the breakdown breakthrough
00:03:06.330 --> 00:03:14.579 paul levy: which I found myself in a whole new universe, where the realm of what was possible had greatly expanded to practically infinite degrees.
00:03:14.760 --> 00:03:26.109 paul levy: And then I you know, I was in my early twenties early to mid twenties, and then I found quantum physics, you know, just reading like the Dao of physics, and you know Gary Zoof, Gary Zukov's book on.
00:03:26.110 --> 00:03:26.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes.
00:03:26.650 --> 00:03:45.619 paul levy: Masters, and and you know and then I began to recognize that oh, my God! The the universe! That quantum physics is articulating and mapping is exactly the universe that I had found myself in. And basically the universe I found myself in was like a dream stuff.
00:03:45.620 --> 00:03:46.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was, how.
00:03:46.110 --> 00:03:58.580 paul levy: Happening to me that was completely, physically impossible. That could only happen in dreams and finding quantum physics, helped me to contextualize my experience and begin to integrate and understand what was happening to me.
00:03:59.170 --> 00:04:00.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, hmm.
00:04:01.150 --> 00:04:19.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and yeah, Gary zukovs was the dancing wooly masters. I remember reading that I think when I was in college at the time and got me very interested. I was actually a physics, major, my 1st year in college, and him and David Bohm and all of these great thinkers.
00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:25.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But now you you were able to to kind of take it. And now sort of bridge the gap
00:04:25.990 --> 00:04:34.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of you know this is, quote unquote science, which most people consider science separate from spirituality.
00:04:35.300 --> 00:04:43.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and you kind of bridge the gap, as many famous quantum scientists had done. Back then.
00:04:44.100 --> 00:04:46.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But you have your own particular, take on it.
00:04:46.430 --> 00:05:01.819 paul levy: Yeah, oh, no, I have, you know, because I'm not a physicist at all. And I'm just a very curious person. And I'm pointing out that, you know they're all saying all the founding fathers were saying. We haven't found the central idea of quantum physics yet.
00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:22.030 paul levy: and when we find it we're going to be thinking, how could we have been so blind that it's going to be so simple that we'll be able to put it on a bumper sticker or a T-shirt. And here I am. And I'm basically having the realization that oh, yeah, quantum physics is revealing to us. It's a living revelation, the likes of which we've never encountered.
00:05:22.030 --> 00:05:51.919 paul levy: And it's revealing to us that we're having a collective dream. And that's not a theory I'm not just offering. Oh, this is a theory. This is absolutely, empirically proven again and again. But the typical, corporately trained, academically trained physicists aren't prepared. This isn't what they signed up for in graduate school they aren't prepared to really recognize the enormity, the profundity of what quantum physics is revealing to them. That is, that we're having a collectively shared dream. This opens up
00:05:51.950 --> 00:06:00.910 paul levy: infinite orders of freedom within our soul. It unlocks our creativity, it connects us with our with our actual, authentic self.
00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:08.330 paul levy: and it can change the whole world. It already has changed all of history, you know, with all the technology it's brought in.
00:06:08.780 --> 00:06:31.950 paul levy: So saying, that's the low hanging fruit that the real impact of quantum physics is going to be within our minds. And that's what I'm trying to point out that it's actually expanding our consciousness and helping us recognize the dreamlike nature which means to help us recognize who we are. So quantum physics is promoting itself to be a spiritual path. Unwittingly.
00:06:32.300 --> 00:06:44.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right? Right? You know, it's so interesting. A couple of years ago there was a pair of physicists who won the Nobel Prize for proving that the universe is not locally real.
00:06:45.950 --> 00:06:50.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that has tremendous implications which we're talking about.
00:06:51.020 --> 00:06:59.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, we're not really seeing people talk about that. You don't hear about it in the mainstream media. You don't hear the implications of what that is.
00:06:59.180 --> 00:07:27.830 paul levy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they realized, you know, quantum physics has proven. Oh, yeah, the universe is non local in nature. What that means is that it doesn't play by the the 3 dimensional rules of space and time, and what that means in a quantum universe. And this universe has been discovered to be quantum through and through on all levels, both big and small, that there's no separate parts that are interacting. It's all one seamlessly interconnected quantum, whole system.
00:07:27.900 --> 00:07:48.560 paul levy: And you know that's a game changer. When when you recognize that that every everything we do, every thought we have, it's all instantaneously interconnected with the whole rest of the universe, and vice versa. And you know, so it's actually shedding light on that we that each one of us, because it's so easy to feel helpless.
00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:49.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:07:49.220 --> 00:08:04.130 paul levy: World of ours that quantum physics is is offering us is showing us that each one of us has this unimaginably vast creative power. But to the extent we're not conscious of it in a way it gets turned against us.
00:08:04.190 --> 00:08:20.469 paul levy: and then we become imprisoned by our own unconscious creative genius. And what I'm trying to bring light on is to really introduce people. No, it's part of our nature. We are actually creative beings, and we are creating our experience.
00:08:20.470 --> 00:08:20.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: By, my.
00:08:20.820 --> 00:08:33.179 paul levy: No one is doing that to us. We are doing that, but because we're unconscious of it, we become sort of. We feel victimized by our own unrealized creative agency.
00:08:33.750 --> 00:08:51.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, because if you talk to people and say, Look, this is a dream you're dreaming this dream you're creating. Like everyone else, you're like what? No, I'm not creating this like, I wouldn't have this guy as president. I wouldn't have this going on in the world. I wouldn't have that going on, and then we start to deny our participation in the dream. Don't we.
00:08:51.960 --> 00:09:11.029 paul levy: Right? Right? No, that's a key factor. You know, we are one of the dreamers. There's 8 billion other human beings who are all Co. Dreaming together and but but this is what I'm saying. You know about how I'm interpreting quantum physics. It's what every spiritual tradition
00:09:11.400 --> 00:09:11.930 paul levy: right?
00:09:11.930 --> 00:09:18.270 paul levy: The exact same thing. And you know that we are. We have this incredible
00:09:18.370 --> 00:09:24.020 paul levy: agency and creative power. But because we're not aware of what we've hypnotized ourselves.
00:09:24.220 --> 00:09:24.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: By your own.
00:09:24.660 --> 00:09:47.080 paul levy: And creative genius in a way that that's killing us. I mean, that's an individual process that's getting played out in mass collectively in the body politic of the world. So what's happening in the world with all the collective insanity and the evil is reflecting something within the human psyche that what's happening in the world, however dark it is, or.
00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:47.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know.
00:09:47.530 --> 00:10:13.749 paul levy: The madness, or whoever is President, it's all reflecting something whose origin is within our mind. And that's why the idea of that. What's at the bottom of the collective madness is a mind virus. 3 books on the what you call mind virus. All that that means in simple form is that the origin of the collective madness that we're playing out all over the planet is to be found within the Psyche. That's a no brainer and not just.
00:10:13.750 --> 00:10:14.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In the morning.
00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:32.400 paul levy: The solution of our collective madness is to be found within the psyche. And that's what quantum physics is actually showing us, because quantum physics is showing us that consciousness. You can't keep it out, that it's intruded into the physics lab. And it's part of the equation of how the universe arises.
00:10:32.650 --> 00:10:40.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right, the Heisenberg uncertainty, principle, right? We that that merely by observing the experiment, we're affecting it.
00:10:40.530 --> 00:10:47.379 paul levy: And that's a description of a dream that when we are observing the universe we are influencing the universe observed.
00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:51.949 paul levy: you could not get a more precise articulation of a dream, because what is a dream
00:10:52.450 --> 00:11:00.929 paul levy: of the mind that's dreaming? That's the rabbit hole, because when you go through that, you realize the act of observation is creative.
00:11:01.220 --> 00:11:22.460 paul levy: and that opens you up to that. Oh, my God! My very nature! I'm a creative being who's made in the image of the Creator, and I'm creating my experience of myself and of the world each and every moment, and quantum physics is openly free of charge, revealing this to us.
00:11:22.470 --> 00:11:47.220 paul levy: and you know all we have to do is open our eyes and see all the quantum physics are saying that I know they're like, oh, it's right in front of our face. There's something we're not seeing. There's like some sort of revelation that we have to figure out how to see. And I'm just here. I am not a physicist at all. And I'm pointing out, Yeah, when you recognize that, it's revealing to us that we are having a collective dream, and when enough people
00:11:47.220 --> 00:11:56.339 paul levy: realize that and connect with each other, they discover they can get in phase with each other and literally change the dream we're having the waking.
00:11:56.340 --> 00:11:56.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can.
00:11:56.930 --> 00:12:01.780 paul levy: Dream ourselves awake, and that's to consciously step into our own evolution.
00:12:02.590 --> 00:12:13.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So when you realized all this, when you saw sort of what the implications of quantum physics was saying, how like reality is a dream.
00:12:13.830 --> 00:12:21.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What did that do for you personally like? How did that? What did it shift inside of you personally, that affected your life.
00:12:21.250 --> 00:12:47.320 paul levy: It gave me. It was like an incredible empowerment, you know that just, you know, and it's an ongoing process. It's like I'm continually deepening my realization. It's not like, Oh, I'm this enlightened person. No, I'm a work in process, like all of us, like the universe is. But it was so empowering. And it got me in touch with, yeah, the way that I interpret like in quantum physics, the way you set up the experiment.
00:12:47.430 --> 00:12:58.180 paul levy: the what questions you ask and how you interpret the data determines the answer. You get back. Okay? So in everyday life, the way we interpret
00:12:58.280 --> 00:13:22.549 paul levy: the inkblot of the waking dream. Whatever is happening, we impute meaning on what's happening. No, no one else is doing that. We are doing that that actually creates our experience. So all of a sudden, you know, I become, you know, unbelievably just creative every day. It's what I do, you know, and it's so empowering, and it's healing.
00:13:22.550 --> 00:13:37.400 paul levy: because you know the whole. How come I got so interested in this because I was in such deep trauma like, we're all we're a species in trauma. And my trauma just the way I held it. It propelled me deep into the into my psyche.
00:13:37.550 --> 00:13:57.660 paul levy: and that was the channel that I discovered the same thing that the physicists discovered by inquiring into the physical world. We both, you know, from 2 different angles, one from trying to understand the physical world, one from trying to understand the Psyche, and we came to the same place. You know the dreamlike nature.
00:13:57.660 --> 00:14:06.804 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful. Okay, Paul, we're gonna take a quick break, and when we come back I would like to
00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:32.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Talk about how does this relate to Watico? Right? Because I think the books that you wrote around Watico is what brought you into sort of more visibility in the world. And and this is kind of talking about something a little different. But it's very related. So let's get into that relationship. And you're just a little bit soft in your volume. So if you could possibly turn up the volume on your microphone a little bit, that would be great.
00:14:34.630 --> 00:14:35.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:14:36.060 --> 00:14:52.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: everybody, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. Our guest this hour is Paul Levy, author of the book, the quantum revelation, a radical synthesis of science and spirituality, and we will be right back in just a moment.
00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:46.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Paul Levy, author of several books, including the quantum revelation. So, Paul, you were initially well known for Witiko, the mind virus.
00:16:46.750 --> 00:16:58.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How does this understanding of quantum physics relate to Watico? And how does it help us in dealing with this idea of a mind virus.
00:16:58.370 --> 00:17:09.939 paul levy: Yeah, no, totally. The quantum physics is the medicine for the mind virus, and the mind virus is, you know, it's the diagnosis. It's the malady that has infected our species. That's.
00:17:09.940 --> 00:17:10.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so.
00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:35.849 paul levy: Us to kill ourselves. And here quantum physics comes along free of charge, and is giving us the antidote. So 1st off, what Watico is, you know, in one way of understanding it. Just imagine being in a dream in a night dream, and you're holding whatever perspective you're having in the night dream. Well, what is the night dream? But it's a reflection of your own mind. So whatever perspective you're holding, the night dream will instantaneously offer you
00:17:35.950 --> 00:17:45.949 paul levy: all the evidence confirming the truth of your viewpoint that it's objectively true. Say, if you think the world you're living in in that night, dream is objective and real.
00:17:45.970 --> 00:18:08.969 paul levy: You hold that viewpoint. The dream being a reflection of your mind, will give you all the evidence, confirming that now you have proof. So you get even more fixed in your viewpoint, the more fixed in your viewpoint that the world exists objectively, the more the dream will offer you evidence in a feedback loop ad infinitum. It's a self-generating feedback loop whose origin is your own mind and what I'm describing. You've hypnotized yourself.
00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:24.550 paul levy: Genius. That's the mind virus. Okay, that's a very simple way of understanding the mind virus. Here quantum physics comes along and says, Oh, the idea that there's an objective universe existing is is only that it's only an idea.
00:18:24.660 --> 00:18:27.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That exists in your mind. There's no correlate.
00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:44.939 paul levy: In actual reality at all. Like we were saying, the act of of observing this universe influences the universe. We're observing, that's to to really begin to understand the dreamlike nature. And so when you see that that there's no objective universe out there.
00:18:45.090 --> 00:19:05.390 paul levy: you know that it's a function of of your perception. Well, wait a second. If there's nothing objective, then what happened to the subject? What happened to me? If I'm a subject, I need an object to be in relationship to in order to be a subject. If there's no object. Who am I? You see those 2 experiences of
00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:16.309 paul levy: oh, I feel subjectively like, I'm an ego like I'm a 3rd dimensional reference point in space and time. You know the separate self that's an imagination
00:19:16.410 --> 00:19:24.850 paul levy: that Co. Arises with the imagination that the world exists objectively, and they reinforce, they reciprocally reinforce their 2 illusions.
00:19:24.980 --> 00:19:28.670 paul levy: David Bohm calls it an illusion generating illusion.
00:19:29.030 --> 00:19:29.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's.
00:19:29.610 --> 00:19:49.570 paul levy: That just generates a whole host of other illusions. What quantum physics is offering us? It's shedding light, and it's dispelling that illusion, because once. You see, the world doesn't exist objectively in the way we've been conceiving. It does like. I'm saying that shed light that sheds light on who we are.
00:19:49.580 --> 00:20:12.040 paul levy: And then those 2 illusions, the notion, the idea of an objective world, the idea of that I exist as a separate self. They both dissolve, and they reveal who we are and who are we? We are creative beings that are interconnected with each other and the whole universe. We're interdependent. There is no separate self. The separate self is the mind, virus.
00:20:12.460 --> 00:20:14.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, hmm!
00:20:15.010 --> 00:20:27.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, it's so interesting because I used to teach a spoon bending workshop with a friend of mine, and we would spend the 1st hour of the workshop talking about physics and trying to explain to people how
00:20:28.030 --> 00:20:35.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what we've discovered is that you know, things aren't as real as we think they are, and the deeper in we go the less and less there is.
00:20:36.140 --> 00:20:45.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that actually, we can do anything like even bend a spoon once, but but people always had a problem bending a spoon until the 1st person did it.
00:20:46.280 --> 00:20:53.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or until we could identify and work with that individual person. What was the thing that was holding them back from bending the spoon?
00:20:54.610 --> 00:21:07.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because sometimes it was oh, if I bend a spoon, that means I'm powerful, and then I'm responsible for this bad thing that happened before, or sometimes it means, you know, we create all these kinds of meanings around things.
00:21:08.470 --> 00:21:18.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So how do we use this? Understand this revelation? I mean, it truly is a mind-blowing concept.
00:21:18.930 --> 00:21:19.650 paul levy: Yo yo.
00:21:19.650 --> 00:21:27.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But in order for it to really take in and hold in our nervous system, so that we can actually live as the creators that we are.
00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:28.190 paul levy: Yeah, yeah.
00:21:28.190 --> 00:21:30.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There's stuff we got to get through right.
00:21:30.250 --> 00:21:39.619 paul levy: Yeah, well, I think of Albert Einstein, who is one of the founding fathers of quantum physics who could never fully embrace the revelation that is, quantum physics, because
00:21:39.810 --> 00:21:53.550 paul levy: he seemed to be still like, overly attached to that. There was an actual objective world separate from the observer. He couldn't let go of that. And but he says that quantum physics is so uncommonly important
00:21:53.580 --> 00:22:13.279 paul levy: it should be everyone's concern. So it's not just some sort of esoteric, abstract theory that's really complicated. Like, when I get a quantum physics book, if there's math and equations. No, I close the book I'm interested in. No, it's actually an expression of something way, way deeper inside of us.
00:22:13.320 --> 00:22:22.670 paul levy: And it actually has everything to do with our relationships with each other. Our relationships with the universe, with the world with ourselves.
00:22:22.750 --> 00:22:43.500 paul levy: you know. I think the in my book I think it's the biggest chapter in the book is about the everyday world of quantum physics of how? You know, it impacts our life in incredible ways. And one of the key things that quantum physics is saying is that the opposites of mind and matter
00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:57.870 paul levy: that are typically typically conceived of as like they're the archetypal opposites, you know, there's spirit. And then there's the physical world. Quantum physics is bringing them together. This is exactly what alchemy.
00:22:57.870 --> 00:23:12.090 paul levy: when they talk about the coincidence of opposites, the sacred marriage bringing together the opposites. So quantum physics is actually shedding light on the whole synchronistic phenomena. Of how is it that at certain moments this physical world
00:23:12.090 --> 00:23:37.459 paul levy: seems to express what's happening in our mind? Well, quantum physics is showing us. That's proven that there's no difference between our mind and the physical world, that we are not. You know that we think of the Psyche as inside of our skull. No, the psyche we are within the psyche. This is reflecting our own consciousness. And if we think that's not true, then this universe will reflect back, giving us all the evidence. It's not true.
00:23:37.460 --> 00:23:39.649 paul levy: I couldn't confirms the profundity of it.
00:23:39.650 --> 00:23:59.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, which kind of almost we see reflected in the world today. So much right if someone holds a certain point of view and they go out looking on the Internet, they're going to find all these reasons why they're right. And if someone holds an opposite point of view, they go out and look for evidence of why they're right. They're going to find evidence of why the opposite is true.
00:23:59.220 --> 00:24:02.640 paul levy: Yeah, yeah. And it's like they're each in their own echo Chamber.
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:03.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Bro.
00:24:03.050 --> 00:24:27.289 paul levy: Physics is saying one of the ways it talks about that. It says, you know. Say, if if you know, I'm in Portland, Oregon, and it rains a lot, and so it's not uncommon. Oh, there's a rainbow. Well, quantum physics will talk about rainbows, you know, because what is a rainbow? It's a combination of 3 factors. There's light, there's water, and there's consciousness. When those 3 factors come together. We then have an experience of a rainbow.
00:24:27.290 --> 00:24:42.050 paul levy: Quantum physics says, what is the nature of that rainbow? There's no objective rainbow out there. The rainbow. Your experience of a rainbow is an image inside of your mind. That's, you know, just just phenomenologically
00:24:42.050 --> 00:25:03.620 paul levy: what? How we experience a rainbow. There's no objective rainbow quantum physics is saying, that's the nature of the physical world. We all think we're seeing the same physical world. But just like if you and I were here and looking at the rainbow out there, we're not seeing the same rainbow. There's no objective rainbow. We're each seeing our own private rainbow. So we're each seeing our own private
00:25:03.620 --> 00:25:18.640 paul levy: world. But if you're in your particular Echo Chamber. You're going to then draw evidence confirming the truth of your world, and I'll be doing the same if I'm asleep, and then we'll go to war over whose whose version of reality is correct.
00:25:18.670 --> 00:25:26.020 paul levy: you know so quantum physics can really shed light on you know what? What's at the bottom
00:25:26.310 --> 00:25:31.560 paul levy: of the incredible conflict that we have within ourselves and between each other.
00:25:31.750 --> 00:25:32.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: -
00:25:33.170 --> 00:25:39.889 paul levy: And and the term we Tico, comes from native Americans. Indigenous culture.
00:25:40.060 --> 00:25:59.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and there are other things in indigenous cultures. Mythology, that kind of points to this isn't there like this? We tend to think of quantum physics like this is something new. It's only in the last 100 years but indigenous cultures. Spiritual traditions have been saying this for thousands and thousands of years. Haven't they.
00:25:59.010 --> 00:26:10.420 paul levy: Exactly. Exactly. And this I have a you know, a section of my book where I talk about this is what the Buddha realized, you know, and you know he had tapped into the quantum.
00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:39.489 paul levy: And so here are these modern day quantum physicists who who are having their mind blown, and there are quotes I have in the book that they're saying, Oh, my God! You know this is what you know. Ancient Eastern, you know, sages had tapped into centuries before, you know. And the thing I want to point out in Tibetan Buddhism, because I'm very familiar with that, because I do practice in that lineage. There's this idea of hidden treasures. It's called terma.
00:26:39.510 --> 00:26:46.169 paul levy: and and it's a real thing. It's not some sort of fairy tale where the lineage keeps itself fresh
00:26:46.780 --> 00:27:14.249 paul levy: by that. There are these hidden treasures implanted in the multidimensional fabric of the universe, that right when they're needed, they're discovered, and they could be a blessed object, or a teaching, or a prayer, or a visualization, and and then the person who discovers it, if they actually do the practice and get back, you know, have have realization. Then they're empowered to share with the community. And one way of understanding it is that the community dreamed up
00:27:14.370 --> 00:27:15.830 paul levy: collectively that hidden.
00:27:15.830 --> 00:27:16.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's it.
00:27:16.330 --> 00:27:21.400 paul levy: Bring them back to center. And it's very much like in an individual. When we get off center.
00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:43.040 paul levy: what happens we'll have a dream, and there'll be a symbol in the dream, and if we recognize the symbol, resonate with it, it brings us back to our center. Those hidden treasures are like that. They're like alarm clocks that are hidden in the fabric of the dream. I'm pointing out in my, in my new version of the book, that quantum physics is the modern day analog to a hidden treasure.
00:27:43.040 --> 00:27:43.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Have dreams.
00:27:43.700 --> 00:28:11.380 paul levy: Up quantum physics into the world and into our minds to help us to awaken. And all that's needed is for us to recognize what's staring us in the face. It's like those little kids puzzles where you have the hidden faces and they're not hidden. They're staring you in the face. You just have to see them. That's what all the the great teachers are pointing at that this revelation. It's literally right in front of our face, and we just have to open our eyes and see it.
00:28:11.730 --> 00:28:13.941 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it kind of
00:28:14.570 --> 00:28:34.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it reminds me of years and years ago, on my show, I interviewed a woman who had worked with the aboriginal tribes in Australia, and her husband had Ms. And and he went to find healing, and the tribe said when he arrived, we knew you were coming because we dreamed you.
00:28:34.310 --> 00:28:59.490 paul levy: Yeah, yeah, it's exactly that right? And that's that's that deeper, that deeper place where, when you connect with you know that we're having a dream with with the deeper dreaming, you know. It unlocks our natural capacities of telepathy. We're naturally psychic, and you know our our psyche is not contained within 3rd dimensional space and time.
00:28:59.670 --> 00:29:11.320 paul levy: And you know, so yeah, like, indigenous cultures like the aboriginals, or, like, you know, basically like any indigenous culture that's based on wisdom. They are tapped into the quantum. They just don't have
00:29:11.810 --> 00:29:41.560 paul levy: the equations or the rigorous science backing it up. But you know I should just make clear. The discovery of quantum physics is very controversial. What does it mean? You know there's all everybody's like fighting about that, but there's no controversy at all that it is the greatest discovery ever in all of history in the realm of science. Nobody, I know, debates that, and you know, and people should know about it. People should be on rooftops, screaming, going.
00:29:41.560 --> 00:29:41.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:29:41.950 --> 00:29:50.909 paul levy: There's been a discovery that can potentially help us to heal the collective madness. You know the mind virus that's infected our species.
00:29:51.210 --> 00:30:02.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, okay, we need to take another break. And when we come back, let's talk about that. What is needed to heal the mind virus, what is needed to heal the collective consciousness of this planet?
00:30:02.930 --> 00:30:04.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then what.
00:30:04.350 --> 00:30:06.859 paul levy: And where does that lead us? Okay.
00:30:07.390 --> 00:30:17.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you so much, Paul. Everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We'll be right back with our guest, Paul Levy. In just a moment.
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:07.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Paul, we've been talking about how quantum physics is really like the medicine, the antidote for this collective mind virus.
00:32:08.100 --> 00:32:23.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do we heal the world, though especially today, I know so many people feel lost. They feel almost hopeless because we're so divided. We're so at odds. We're so polarized in today's world.
00:32:23.900 --> 00:32:28.440 paul levy: How do we use this revelation? How do we use this hidden treasure?
00:32:28.590 --> 00:32:36.109 paul levy: Totally well, the thing is, it starts with the individual. It's not something collectively. Oh, let's create a new law or something. No.
00:32:36.380 --> 00:32:48.360 paul levy: and not just for each one of us. But any one of us having realization of our quantum nature of the dreamlike nature, you know, seeing what Tico, however, you describe it.
00:32:48.470 --> 00:33:04.839 paul levy: that instantaneously gets deposited in the collective consciousness of our species, and that could be the catalyst that changes everything. But even more than that, when one person has realization and they embody it and creatively express it.
00:33:05.020 --> 00:33:27.040 paul levy: that can go viral. That's like contagious sort of like. Covid was contagious in a negative way. This realization can go viral and be contagious in a positive way, because what happens when you have people who are switched on who have lucidity in the waking dream, and they come together and connect with each other.
00:33:27.190 --> 00:33:33.060 paul levy: They can. It's what I call they can dream ourselves awake. Okay.
00:33:33.060 --> 00:33:33.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we.
00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:52.119 paul levy: Can actually, you know, get in phase with each other. Get in sync with each other, you know. And what are we realizing? We're stepping out of the mind virus, we're stepping sync through the illusion of the separate self, recognizing we're interconnected, interdependent. The energetic expression of that is compassion.
00:33:52.250 --> 00:34:19.569 paul levy: And and then also, what happens is that we discover that we can put our our awakening together, each one of us, in a way where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Where it activates the collective genius of our species, it taps in to the 0 point of consciousness itself, whatever you call it. These are all like phrases to point out. Something is available to us in this moment.
00:34:19.570 --> 00:34:40.939 paul levy: and everything depends on if we have the recognition. You see, something is being revealed to us through the mind, virus through quantum physics, and the whole key. How this is all going to work out is because the mind. Virus is quantum in nature, it contains in a superposition of states the deepest evil in poison, and it's actually helping us to wake up.
00:34:40.969 --> 00:35:06.810 paul levy: How is the mind virus going to manifest being quantum in nature. It all depends depends if we recognize that it's revealing something to us about ourselves. Same thing with quantum physics. So everything depends if we recognize what is being revealed. And then, when one person really integrates that, to whatever degree we do like, I'm saying, connecting with other people who do that, and then that can actually unlock the most
00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:20.810 paul levy: unbelievable creative creativity, you know, because that is the nature of of the self. You know. The greatest protection against the mind virus is to connect with your true nature. What does that even mean? That's such a cliche? What is your true nature.
00:35:20.810 --> 00:35:48.929 paul levy: Our true nature, by its nature is creative. Okay. So when you have realization of your nature, you embody being creative, you express yourself creatively, and the more you do that the deep in you realize your nature in a positive feedback loop that creates light upon light in a world of darkness. And when you connect with other people who are doing that, then all bets are off, then we could potentially change the world. And that's not new age. Woo! That's actually our situation right now.
00:35:48.930 --> 00:35:55.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. So so I'm thinking, the example of they did a study where they brought 400 Buddhist monks
00:35:55.903 --> 00:36:02.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in, I think, in the Washington DC. Area to to, and all they did was prayed for peace.
00:36:02.270 --> 00:36:07.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and they found that the crime rates dropped by 40% that night.
00:36:07.330 --> 00:36:14.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So it's that kind of thing that it's not that everybody necessarily has to quote unquote. Wake up
00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:19.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for us to know that we're in a dream. But when a certain percentage of people.
00:36:19.640 --> 00:36:32.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, some people say it's 5%, 10%, 12%. Whatever percentage it happens to be that if a certain percentage of us wake up to the fact that we're living in a dream. And we're the creator of the dream
00:36:32.750 --> 00:36:40.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that energetically, spiritually, that will create sort of an energetic wave that will transform the planet.
00:36:40.600 --> 00:36:54.330 paul levy: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's very much like if if you wanna bake, you know this loaf of bread, there has to be a certain amount yeast in the dough for the bread to rise. It doesn't have to be 100% yeast. There just needs.
00:36:54.330 --> 00:36:55.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:36:55.060 --> 00:37:01.819 paul levy: The critical, you know. That's the 100th monkey phenomenon, or in the Bible. They talk about the symbolic number 144,000.
00:37:01.820 --> 00:37:02.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Listen.
00:37:02.180 --> 00:37:04.740 paul levy: That's the idea. And one way of understanding that
00:37:05.244 --> 00:37:15.319 paul levy: think about. If you have a glass of water and you dissolve these granules of sugar in the water. One by one they'll dissolve, they'll dissolve, it reaches, then the saturation point
00:37:15.940 --> 00:37:25.379 paul levy: one more grain of sugar, and then a crystal manifests, and that's a perfect symbol of how crystals actually crystallize via our unconscious in through.
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:26.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or dreams.
00:37:26.310 --> 00:37:47.550 paul levy: But also it could be that that grain of sugar that catalyzes, that crystal that manifests could be in this moment one of the people who's hearing us talk might have realization of what we're talking about. That could be the grain of crystal that catalyzes an entire global awakening of our species.
00:37:47.550 --> 00:37:52.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful! Do you think we'll see it in our lifetime?
00:37:52.570 --> 00:38:18.049 paul levy: Well, you know, from 1 point of view, that's an interesting question, and you know, but from 1 point of view it's already happened atemporally, and because it's easy, we have all the evidence to think. Oh, no, it's we're really far away. It'll never happen. And then we're contributing to dreaming up that reality where it's not going to happen. So I always go to the atemporal dimension where it's we've already woken up.
00:38:18.050 --> 00:38:29.059 paul levy: And all of this is like that realization kind of extended backwards in seeming time, such that this is the medium, what we're experiencing now.
00:38:29.080 --> 00:38:39.349 paul levy: through which we have that realization and actually incarnate that a temporal, you know, conscious realization that we've all woken up.
00:38:39.470 --> 00:39:03.420 paul levy: And and that's exactly what Christ was saying when He says the kingdom is spread all over, and we we just don't see it, that's what. And you know, that's what I'm pointing out. And you know, and that's what quantum physics is a revelation of. And even what tico! That's the it's like what tico the mind virus. It's a revelation. But instead of coming from heaven through a beam of light. It's a revelation through the darkness, you know.
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:10.200 paul levy: because to remember that light doesn't just reveal darkness. Light is revealed through the darkness.
00:39:10.200 --> 00:39:14.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Darkness right right without the darkness, how can there be light.
00:39:15.190 --> 00:39:19.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know something you said before, I just wanted to to mention. This
00:39:20.390 --> 00:39:24.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: was this idea of our consciousness that that we're
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:51.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the mind is not the generator of consciousness. We're like swimming in the sea of consciousness, because I've heard many people say, a certain scientist proposing that the brain is not a generator of consciousness, but a receiver of consciousness, and that now certain cosmologists are saying that consciousness preceded the physical universe, that in order for us to have a physical universe. There had to be consciousness first.st
00:39:52.050 --> 00:40:20.449 paul levy: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why, you know, quantum physics was. Really, it was trying to understand, what are the building blocks of this physical world. And what is the microstructure? And the more it went down in scale to smaller and smaller degrees. It didn't find anything having to do with matter, it found consciousness, you know, and that's the in a way, the big problem that a lot of the the traditional physicists are still struggling with is consciousness has come into the physics lab.
00:40:20.580 --> 00:40:28.900 paul levy: and it's the skeleton in the physics closet, so to speak, and they've changed theories and done everything they could to try to get rid of it. But it's not going away.
00:40:29.490 --> 00:40:35.059 paul levy: And you know, and it's actually good news. It's incredibly good news.
00:40:35.060 --> 00:40:35.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:40:35.540 --> 00:40:44.110 paul levy: At. You know what quantum physics is showing us about. You know the primacy of consciousness, and that's just another way of describing the dreamlike nature.
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:40:48.740 --> 00:41:13.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well, Paul, I'm so grateful for you to take the time to come on my show. I truly hope to help you with spreading this message across the globe, because I think this is something that everyone needs to hear about, no matter what their stature. What the socioeconomic situation is. The more people who can hear this message, perhaps the more
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:16.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we can help people wake up in the dream.
00:41:17.470 --> 00:41:36.810 paul levy: Yeah, no, I appreciate that. I mean, we're all in the soup together that's being cooked for us, and and we're all on the same side, and you know, and what I'm sharing has nothing to do with me. This is just like, no, I've tapped into something that a lot of people have tapped into and it's needed. It's urgently needed in the current moment in time that we're in.
00:41:37.330 --> 00:41:39.150 paul levy: Thank you. I appreciate that.
00:41:39.150 --> 00:41:47.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you. Thank you. So if people want to learn more about your works, do you have a website? Where can people go to learn more about you?
00:41:47.300 --> 00:41:50.390 paul levy: So the way I would say it. If people want to
00:41:50.630 --> 00:41:54.840 paul levy: awaken in the dream, go to awaken
00:41:55.040 --> 00:42:15.670 paul levy: in the dream.com. That's my website. You know, there's a ton of articles and interviews. You know, it's not monetized because I want to get this information out because it's medicine. And yeah, people could buy an autograph book or book, a session. But you know, I've made a point. There's no paywall. I just want to share this this information.
00:42:15.670 --> 00:42:39.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate that tremendously. And I I see your spirit. And I also know when we talked a little bit more about your story last time you were on the show 2 years ago. But people should know that, you know. You came through a lot of darkness to come to this place of light, and that it wasn't always easy. So even if we're struggling in our own
00:42:39.110 --> 00:42:49.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: life in our own world, that just because we're struggling doesn't mean that there isn't something. There isn't a hidden treasure waiting for us around the next corner.
00:42:49.320 --> 00:43:04.939 paul levy: Yeah, no, totally no. What I went through. It's unimaginable what I had to go through. But it was part of my initiation. I see that now I wouldn't have been able to find, to connect with my own authority in my own place of being empowered, and to write my books without having gone through what I went through.
00:43:04.940 --> 00:43:29.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, wonderful. Well, thank you so much, Paul. I appreciate you coming on the show today. And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners for tuning in each week without you there is no show, and don't forget if you did miss any part of today's show. Please catch the replay on talkradio, Dot, Nyc. And all over social media and on all the major podcasting platforms. Thank you. All for tuning in, take care. We will talk to you all next week.
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