This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is pleased to welcome Author and Journalist, Alan Pearce.
Alan is a journalist, broadcaster, former BBC correspondent, and author of several books. He has contributed to numerous publications, from Time Magazine to The Sunday Times of London.
Alan delves into the complexities of human experience, from the realms of coma and near-death phenomena to the intricacies of the Dark Web. He aims to inform, challenge, and inspire, by inviting his readers to explore the unseen and misunderstood aspects of our digital and psychological landscapes.
His latest book, Coma and Near-Death Experience: The Beautiful, Disturbing, and Dangerous World of the Unconscious explores the profound and enigmatic experiences of patients in prolonged deep sedation. It provides a detailed examination of near-death experiences, alternate realities, and the psychological and physical aftermath known as Post-Intensive Care Syndrome. Drawing on real-life patient stories and medical insights, Pearce sheds light on what it means to be unconscious and the impact it has on the human mind.
The book serves as a valuable resource for medical professionals and readers interested in the mysteries of consciousness and the mind's resilience.
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Sam Liebowitz opens the latest episode of The Conscious Consultant Hour by reflecting on how we often seek in others what we fail to give ourselves, particularly in relationships. He invites listeners to explore their past connections, recognize patterns, and shift their focus inward to cultivate self-love and validation rather than depending on external sources. Following this introspective discussion, he introduces journalist and author Alan Pearce, whose latest book delves into the profound experiences of coma patients, revealing insights into near-death phenomena and alternate realities.
Sam Liebowitz continues his conversation with Alan Pearce, exploring the profound and often unsettling experiences of individuals who have been in comas, many of whom recall entire lifetimes with different identities, families, and realities. Pearce shares how these vivid, immersive experiences defy conventional medical explanations, challenging our understanding of consciousness and leading him to shift from a purely materialistic worldview to recognizing the continuity of existence beyond death. Despite their transformative nature, these coma experiences are often dismissed by the medical community, leaving survivors feeling isolated and questioning their sanity, highlighting the need for greater awareness, support, and spiritual inquiry into the mysteries of consciousness.
Sam Liebowitz and Alan Pearce delve deeper into the medical community's use of prolonged deep sedation, revealing that despite its widespread practice, there is little to no scientific literature supporting its benefits—only warnings about its severe cognitive and physical consequences. Pearce explains how coma patients, upon waking, often feel completely disconnected from their previous lives, sometimes believing they have lived alternate realities, while doctors dismiss their experiences as mere delusions. He emphasizes the urgent need for awareness, support, and open conversations about these profound and often traumatic experiences, so that coma survivors do not feel isolated or mentally unstable due to the lack of recognition from the medical field.
Sam Liebowitz and Alan Pearce conclude their discussion by emphasizing the urgent need for greater awareness about the profound experiences of coma survivors and the medical system’s reliance on prolonged deep sedation, despite its severe cognitive and physical consequences. Pearce highlights how the book is meant not only for survivors seeking validation but also for medical professionals who must rethink their approach to patient care, as well as for anyone who may one day face a similar situation. He also draws fascinating parallels between coma experiences and ancient spiritual practices like dark retreats, suggesting that altered states of consciousness may reveal deeper truths about human awareness, further reinforcing the need for a more holistic and conscious approach to medicine.
00:00:39.740 --> 00:00:50.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity.
00:00:50.700 --> 00:00:54.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.
00:00:54.920 --> 00:01:06.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How's the New Year starting off for you? A little crazy, isn't it? Hope you caught my show last week with interviewing Author David J. Brown. Wonderful interview on psychedelics
00:01:07.150 --> 00:01:13.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: coming. AI. Singularity, fascinating discussion. If you didn't catch it, I hope
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00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:24.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: awesome. So before I introduce my guest. Of course we have our blog post that I wrote
00:01:24.440 --> 00:01:25.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: couple of years ago.
00:01:26.016 --> 00:01:33.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And this one is entitled, We Seek in others do not give ourselves.
00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:40.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We are often not conscious about why we are drawn to certain
00:01:41.370 --> 00:01:45.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that attraction comes from a very deep place.
00:01:45.800 --> 00:01:50.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is an energy about the person that draws us in.
00:01:50.630 --> 00:01:52.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Why is that?
00:01:52.790 --> 00:01:58.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What is it about this other person that we are just naturally pulled towards them?
00:01:59.620 --> 00:02:08.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Often, if we look over many different relationships, we find we are always attracted to the same kind of person.
00:02:09.630 --> 00:02:18.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We end up being unhappy when over time we realize there are a lot of things that this person about this person we do not like.
00:02:19.210 --> 00:02:24.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So why is it that we connected with them? In the 1st place.
00:02:25.540 --> 00:02:31.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the remarkable thing about humans is that we seek what we do not have.
00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:39.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Perhaps we are not that confident. So we are attracted to someone confident.
00:02:39.980 --> 00:02:46.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or maybe we feel undeserving. So we find someone who is quite entitled.
00:02:46.860 --> 00:02:56.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Ultimately it comes down to wanting to find someone who loves us, usually because we don't love ourselves enough.
00:02:57.480 --> 00:03:03.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We seek someone else to give us the very thing we do not give ourselves.
00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:11.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If we don't validate our own emotions, we will want to be with someone who will validate them for us.
00:03:12.040 --> 00:03:22.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we have low self-esteem or low self-worth, we will naturally be drawn to someone whom we feel better about ourselves when we are with them.
00:03:23.650 --> 00:03:33.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: whatever it is that we feel we are lacking on a deep level, we will seek out a partner or a lover
00:03:33.620 --> 00:03:35.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with that quality.
00:03:35.640 --> 00:03:45.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The challenge is always what happens in the relationship. When we don't feel we are getting what we wanted from our partner.
00:03:46.530 --> 00:03:54.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This will inevitably happen because someone else cannot give us what we do not give ourselves.
00:03:55.440 --> 00:04:01.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For the most important relationship we have is the one with ourselves.
00:04:02.180 --> 00:04:05.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And until we get that relationship right.
00:04:06.180 --> 00:04:09.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: our external relationships will always suffer.
00:04:10.480 --> 00:04:12.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So how do we do that?
00:04:12.970 --> 00:04:20.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The 1st step is to look at our past relationships and be brutally honest with ourselves.
00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What were we really wanting from the other person?
00:04:25.570 --> 00:04:30.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Review several past relationships and see if there is a pattern?
00:04:31.080 --> 00:04:39.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Once we understand what it was we were looking for. Then we have to learn how to give it to ourselves.
00:04:40.610 --> 00:04:48.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is it love, recognition, validation, excitement, or maybe passion.
00:04:49.730 --> 00:04:57.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: whatever it is. Now we have to find a way to give that very same quality to ourselves.
00:04:58.390 --> 00:05:05.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How can we love ourselves more, validate ourselves, more recognize ourselves more
00:05:05.870 --> 00:05:12.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when we learn to give ourselves what we, what we have been looking for from someone else.
00:05:12.730 --> 00:05:18.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our whole life changes, the quality of our relationships change.
00:05:19.370 --> 00:05:23.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and the quality of our life changes as well.
00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:27.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Try it for yourself and see the results.
00:05:28.370 --> 00:05:34.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you know what you have been seeking from others that you have not been giving yourself.
00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:40.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can you find a way to give it to yourself now that you recognize it?
00:05:42.290 --> 00:05:46.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I wrote this a couple of years ago.
00:05:48.185 --> 00:05:52.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I believe, after working with a client
00:05:52.880 --> 00:06:13.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who kind of, you know, was was complaining about or or bemoaning the fact that they were always attracted to the same kind of person that they always ended up with some narcissistic like Guy, and and they couldn't understand why they didn't quite get
00:06:14.820 --> 00:06:21.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what it was that they kept going to the same person that they ultimately would always end up being unhappy with.
00:06:23.430 --> 00:06:27.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so it started me down this road of inquiry
00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:32.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: about, why do we always end up with the same kind of person?
00:06:33.880 --> 00:06:38.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that's when I kind of hit upon. And and I
00:06:38.640 --> 00:06:43.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, it's not an original idea. I can't remember who it was
00:06:44.610 --> 00:06:51.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that that said it. But I think there was some psychologist or someone. I heard this quote, or I read this quote
00:06:52.500 --> 00:06:58.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that we always seek in others what we do not give ourselves. And I thought, Oh, oh! Oh!
00:06:59.010 --> 00:07:01.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That explains so much.
00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:06.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so that was the the inspiration for this blog post. In that.
00:07:07.300 --> 00:07:17.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, when we look at our relationships and and it's all kinds of relationships, not just intimate partners. It's not just our spouses. It could be any kind of relationship
00:07:18.220 --> 00:07:32.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that we often and not exclusively, because sometimes we we form a relationship with people who are just like us, because there's a certain connection. And then there's a certain relational quality to that relationship.
00:07:33.060 --> 00:07:39.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But oftentimes we look for the qualities in others
00:07:41.140 --> 00:07:43.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that we wish we had ourselves.
00:07:43.963 --> 00:07:48.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So it could be again finding a mentor or someone. We look up to
00:07:48.780 --> 00:08:01.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that we feel we don't have the quality. And and so we we look to learn from them and be around them, and and want to absorb like you know, how do I get to be like more like this person?
00:08:03.060 --> 00:08:09.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and often the funny thing is, we actually do have that quality in ourselves.
00:08:10.210 --> 00:08:15.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We just don't recognize it, but we don't feel it in our hearts
00:08:16.290 --> 00:08:18.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that we we have that quality.
00:08:19.700 --> 00:08:29.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So you know, just a a small example like like wanting to be with someone who who builds us up and makes us feel, you know, like we're special.
00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:40.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We all want to feel special. I mean, that's nothing unusual, and sometimes
00:08:40.659 --> 00:09:00.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we we think we are a little special. But we're afraid for some reason. Maybe we've been told something in the past. Maybe there's some trauma. Maybe there's some fear around really taking it in. So we want to feel special. We think we're special, but we just can't believe it enough.
00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:09.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So then we meet somebody who makes us feel so special, and then we like, I love this person. They make me feel so special.
00:09:10.750 --> 00:09:18.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Unfortunately, when we look for that validation outside of ourselves. When we look for that feeling outside of ourselves.
00:09:18.850 --> 00:09:24.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it comes with a whole bunch of other stuff which usually is not what we're looking for.
00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so it doesn't usually work out that well.
00:09:31.580 --> 00:09:36.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet when we learn to give it to ourselves.
00:09:37.430 --> 00:09:42.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when we learn to just feel good about ourselves for who we are.
00:09:43.220 --> 00:09:45.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Then when we look for someone else.
00:09:47.450 --> 00:09:50.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we can accept them for just who they are.
00:09:50.520 --> 00:09:54.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And there isn't. This need to like get something from them.
00:09:54.730 --> 00:09:59.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You see, that's the thing. As long as we're looking to get something from another person.
00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:02.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There's this attachment. There's this need
00:10:04.190 --> 00:10:08.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: majority of the time. Things, you know don't work out all that. Well.
00:10:09.990 --> 00:10:13.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but when there's just this we feel good.
00:10:13.330 --> 00:10:24.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And there's this other person, and it feels good to be with them, and and they feel good to be with us. And there's just this natural attraction, then then it can really be beautiful.
00:10:26.470 --> 00:10:32.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But my invitation to you, my loyal listeners this week is to maybe
00:10:32.790 --> 00:10:36.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just take a little bit of time and take a look over
00:10:36.980 --> 00:10:40.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the relationships that you've had through your lifetime.
00:10:40.950 --> 00:10:48.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and see if there's some common pattern. See if there was something that this other person was giving you
00:10:49.290 --> 00:10:51.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that you were looking for
00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that. You weren't even aware you weren't even conscious of the fact that you were looking for it
00:10:58.850 --> 00:11:04.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and ask yourself, huh! I was looking for this quality in this other person?
00:11:05.890 --> 00:11:09.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How am I not giving that to myself?
00:11:10.170 --> 00:11:13.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And when we can identify what that quality is.
00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:18.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and we can work on giving that to ourselves
00:11:18.580 --> 00:11:27.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on doing some practices and some exercises. And you know, if you want to reach out to me at theconsciousconsultant.com. I'm happy to work with you on that
00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:34.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it can really totally change just how life feels to us.
00:11:36.610 --> 00:11:55.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I hope you like this blog post. It's again entitled, we seek in others what we do not give ourselves. And of course you can always find my blog@talkradio.nyc slash, blog, or on my personally branded website, the conscious consultant
00:11:55.550 --> 00:11:56.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: dot com
00:11:57.660 --> 00:12:05.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: all right. It is now my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show author and journalist. Alan Pierce
00:12:05.510 --> 00:12:20.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Allen is a journalist, Broadcaster, former BBC. Correspondent, and author of several books. He has contributed to numerous publications, including Time magazine all the way to the Sunday Times of London.
00:12:20.800 --> 00:12:42.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Allen delves into the complexities of the human experience, from the realms of coma and near-death phenomena to the intricacies of the dark web. He aims to inform, challenge, and inspire by inviting his readers to explore the unseen and misunderstood aspects of our digital and psychological landscapes.
00:12:42.110 --> 00:13:10.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In his latest book Coma and the near-death experience, the beautiful, disturbing, and dangerous world of the unconscious Allen explores the profound and enigmatic experiences of patients in prolonged deep sedation. It provides a detailed examination of near-death experiences, alternate realities, and the psychological and physical aftermath known as post-intensive care, syndrome
00:13:10.280 --> 00:13:22.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: drawing on real life, patient stories and medical insights pierce sheds light on what it means to be unconscious, and the impact it has on the human mind.
00:13:22.210 --> 00:13:27.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And this is what the book looks like. I highly recommend you go out and get it. Welcome to the show, Alan.
00:13:28.040 --> 00:13:31.815 Alan Pearce: Hey, Sam, boy, blow my mind! Thank you. My head so big.
00:13:32.870 --> 00:13:40.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well, you know, I always like to make my guests feel good, at least in the beginning of the interview. We'll see how it goes throughout the hour.
00:13:40.160 --> 00:13:42.540 Alan Pearce: Yes, give me a hard time. Yeah.
00:13:42.650 --> 00:13:49.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm going to drill you on this one, because this is a topic I'm fascinated with. So I'm curious.
00:13:49.150 --> 00:13:54.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How did you get interested in researching about comas and near death experience.
00:13:54.980 --> 00:14:02.719 Alan Pearce: How did I get to write a book about? Possibly the most boring subject on the planet? People inside coma really.
00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:03.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:14:03.310 --> 00:14:05.309 Alan Pearce: Try to sell that one.
00:14:06.010 --> 00:14:13.149 Alan Pearce: It was Covid, I think, like an awful lot of people. My life was totally disrupted, so was my wife's.
00:14:13.270 --> 00:14:18.480 Alan Pearce: We were sitting at home watching far too much TV news. And
00:14:18.900 --> 00:14:23.590 Alan Pearce: I just started to wonder why. You know. Okay, you're sick. You've got Covid.
00:14:23.690 --> 00:14:33.560 Alan Pearce: Why are they putting you into a coma? It's like putting them in the deep freeze. I mean, what's actually happening here? I just wanted to know. You know, I'm a journalist. I'm always asking odd questions.
00:14:33.970 --> 00:14:37.040 Alan Pearce: so I had a little bit of a look, and
00:14:37.380 --> 00:14:39.670 Alan Pearce: I mean, the answer is that it's too
00:14:40.470 --> 00:14:48.399 Alan Pearce: put the patient in the most calm, comfortable situation possible to enable the drugs and nature to do their job.
00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:58.579 Alan Pearce: That's 1 answer. So you're thinking, Oh, okay, sounds good. And then I thought, I'm journalist. I won't take just the one answer. I just look a little bit further.
00:14:58.990 --> 00:15:04.880 Alan Pearce: and I wasn't even thinking of writing an article. I just like curiosity wanted to fulfill it.
00:15:05.530 --> 00:15:09.520 Alan Pearce: I found on Facebook, coma survivor groups.
00:15:09.740 --> 00:15:10.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:15:11.280 --> 00:15:19.099 Alan Pearce: Rather than having a peaceful, deep sleep, which is how the doctors will describe a coma to a patient's family.
00:15:19.390 --> 00:15:33.750 Alan Pearce: They were experiencing all manner of events within coma doctors, I'll just quickly say, Well, quick themselves to dismiss anything people experience within coma as delusional.
00:15:33.750 --> 00:15:34.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All of her.
00:15:34.170 --> 00:15:37.539 Alan Pearce: Hallucination or a false memory. After the event
00:15:38.590 --> 00:15:47.559 Alan Pearce: I found that the people were experiencing things initially that looked like the near-death experience. The nde.
00:15:47.560 --> 00:15:48.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh!
00:15:48.630 --> 00:15:49.500 Alan Pearce: Now.
00:15:49.670 --> 00:15:59.790 Alan Pearce: do you have a false memory of an nde? Do you hallucinate an nde, or do you actually have one? But it then went deeper than that.
00:15:59.960 --> 00:16:11.020 Alan Pearce: and Nde, as I generally understood it at that time, was a beautiful thing. You're in like bucolic landscape. Maybe you meet your dead relatives. You never felt happier, that sort of thing.
00:16:11.280 --> 00:16:12.250 Alan Pearce: Well.
00:16:12.540 --> 00:16:18.270 Alan Pearce: what people were telling me within their comas. It's as if that one I just described. You've gone to heaven
00:16:18.520 --> 00:16:28.029 Alan Pearce: many people within coma who've had those too many people within coma. The majority I spoke to were having experiences that more resembled.
00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:29.979 Alan Pearce: I mean, I mean, real.
00:16:29.980 --> 00:16:30.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Cool.
00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:43.130 Alan Pearce: Terrifying hell, not necessarily, in a Biblical sense, with burning and devils and such, but they were in a form of their personal hell, and then others, others were having
00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:50.470 Alan Pearce: alternate lives. Now some were having glimpses into other lives.
00:16:50.990 --> 00:16:56.950 Alan Pearce: Some of the people I eventually spoke to. This was James, for example, British Guy, and
00:16:57.230 --> 00:17:14.219 Alan Pearce: he was recounting multiple deaths like one after another after another, like he's just reading off a list. And they almost all involved either aircraft or water, or a combination of both, like he's playing in the sea over and over and over again.
00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:33.290 Alan Pearce: Others would tell me that they had an entire life that they somehow were ripped out of, and just found themselves in a bed in hospital with Covid and their family, who they didn't recognize, saying, oh, it's so good! You're conscious, and they're saying a name. You don't even recognize that name.
00:17:33.910 --> 00:17:47.860 Alan Pearce: Their life was the one they were having in coma. It was every bit as real as the life we're experiencing here. They get sick in that life, maybe have what appears to be a heart attack or something, and then their eyes open. They're in a hospital ward.
00:17:48.040 --> 00:18:02.520 Alan Pearce: but they're not in that life, and they've left behind their family, wives, husbands, children, all the rest of it, and they can't come to terms to it, and the doctor will tell you if you ever get to talk to anyone, and that's a rare thing to be honest.
00:18:02.520 --> 00:18:03.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:18:03.010 --> 00:18:06.489 Alan Pearce: They will tell you that. Sorry PAL. That was a false memory.
00:18:06.490 --> 00:18:07.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But we have.
00:18:07.040 --> 00:18:14.289 Alan Pearce: And drugs for that. Don't you worry. And that's where we're at. So I was like getting interested. So how did I start this.
00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:14.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:16.390 Alan Pearce: It's enough to whet my appetite.
00:18:16.390 --> 00:18:43.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right. Yeah, that's fascinating. That's amazing. Well, let's hold it there for a moment. We've got to take a quick break when we come back. I've got a million questions around this topic for you. So we're really going to dive in deep with this. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. We're talking this hour with journalist and author, Alan Pierce, author of the new book, Coma and Near Death Experience. And we'll be right back in just a moment.
00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:46.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. I see loyal listener Patty checking in on Youtube. Thank you, Patty, I really appreciate you tuning in every week. We are speaking this hour with Alan Pierce, author of the book
00:20:46.040 --> 00:21:06.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Coma and Near Death Experience, the beautiful, disturbing, and dangerous world of the unconscious. And we're just getting into. Why is it a dangerous world? So I'm curious, you said that people in coma can experience like almost an entire lifetime while they're in the coma.
00:21:07.050 --> 00:21:12.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Does it make a difference how long they were in the coma as to like how it unfolds.
00:21:12.150 --> 00:21:12.580 Alan Pearce: No.
00:21:12.580 --> 00:21:17.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: People. In short, comas, having short experiences, long comas, long experiences or no.
00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:33.350 Alan Pearce: Concept of time just goes. I mean, for example, I'll give you Nick, who helped us with the book. He had a clear memory run of 20 odd years. He remembered his childhood, but his last 20 odd years were super clear in his mind.
00:21:33.540 --> 00:21:38.020 Alan Pearce: They appeared to be set in the 19 sixties and seventies
00:21:38.370 --> 00:21:51.899 Alan Pearce: 20 years. During that time he had a variety of partners, a whole bunch of different jobs. He got called up for the Us. Army, and did a tour of duty in in a Southeast Asian country.
00:21:52.120 --> 00:21:56.170 Alan Pearce: and he was in his coma for 2 weeks.
00:21:56.600 --> 00:21:57.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow!
00:21:57.700 --> 00:22:14.120 Alan Pearce: Now he came out of it really? Well, his partner, his girlfriend, was just fantastic, really kind and helpful. Other people. You try and tell them this, and they just think you're balmy. One guy who's not in the book, who? He wanted to talk desperately.
00:22:14.300 --> 00:22:15.990 Alan Pearce: He had a whole other life.
00:22:16.840 --> 00:22:20.730 Alan Pearce: different wife. He had 3 daughters, he was an architect.
00:22:20.950 --> 00:22:36.990 Alan Pearce: and then he wakes up in this world, and he just can't come to terms with it, and they're like. Supposedly he must have loved his wife in the past, but to him his wife here is a complete and utter stranger. He wants to know where his daughters are, where his real wife is.
00:22:37.100 --> 00:22:41.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And he couldn't tell me, because he kept breaking down in tears.
00:22:41.870 --> 00:22:49.990 Alan Pearce: Now, the docs have given him medication for this, but I mean come on, no one talks to people who come out of Comas
00:22:50.500 --> 00:23:08.219 Alan Pearce: and just guide them through the process. For example, I mean a former coma survivor who's been through this could actually talk to a new coma survivor and help guide them through this process. But because doctors are stuck in the physical world, you know, these must be hallucinations. It's delirium.
00:23:08.220 --> 00:23:09.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's false memory.
00:23:09.610 --> 00:23:22.119 Alan Pearce: Right. It's a form of mental illness. They cannot take themselves into the transcendental realms. You know I hesitate to say spiritual, but in many ways these things are spiritual, but doctors won't go there.
00:23:22.120 --> 00:23:24.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Were you a spiritual person before you wrote the book.
00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:48.019 Alan Pearce: No, not at all. I'm a journalist. I used to cover wars and disasters. My feeling about death was death would be precisely as it was before I was born, one big nothing, and when I saw in the course of my duties people dead and dying, and so forth, it seemed to me that that was the end of their life.
00:23:48.260 --> 00:24:15.560 Alan Pearce: Well, I had a complete flip, I mean. I was halfway through writing this book, and I'm talking to all sorts of people. Now I'm talking to people who've died and I mean died in the clinical sense, and been brought back, and the things they're telling me, and not just one, but many. And whilst they're all different stories, they're still all in the same ballpark, and there's no way these people made it up. They're just, and many of the people helping with the book are connected to the medical world in one way or another.
00:24:15.610 --> 00:24:19.800 Alan Pearce: and and they've been through, which is one of the reasons they want to talk about it.
00:24:20.050 --> 00:24:26.030 Alan Pearce: So my daughter died halfway through writing this book, Rebecca. She was a police detective.
00:24:26.330 --> 00:24:30.480 Alan Pearce: Any parent is going to hit you. It hit me exactly as it would hit any parent.
00:24:30.770 --> 00:24:33.370 Alan Pearce: However, at the same time
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:38.760 Alan Pearce: I had this other feeling. I sort of knew that you don't die now, whereas
00:24:39.190 --> 00:24:49.300 Alan Pearce: I mean for me this was a complete and utter flip, because, as I say, I thought dead bent dead, and now I realize my whole mindset has changed without my even noticing it.
00:24:49.300 --> 00:25:12.440 Alan Pearce: And it's done so because of the research I've been doing so in many ways. I think that the book demonstrates that life continues after death. I mean, that's assuming you accept eyewitness accounts because the book is full of eyewitness accounts, people who have died, who've been at the brink of this life and the next, and they've managed to come back.
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:39.990 Alan Pearce: And their stories, as I say, what's all different are in the same ballpark, you know. They're meeting dead relatives who are in a different landscape and so on and so forth. They're feeling at one with the universe. They're seeing colors that they don't even know they're seeing total beauty, and they're just blown away. And when they come back to this world. If you're lucky, like Nick, who had a beautiful, helpful partner who helped him come back into this.
00:25:40.090 --> 00:25:53.499 Alan Pearce: you could take some of these experiences as being utterly life changing, but unlike having a near-death experience where you might get to talk to somebody else about that, because there's plenty online. No one gets to talk, and they keep it to themselves.
00:25:53.500 --> 00:25:54.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:25:54.590 --> 00:26:00.749 Alan Pearce: I mean I spoke to I don't know how many, but let's say, round about 100 coma survivors in the course of this book.
00:26:01.270 --> 00:26:05.870 Alan Pearce: 20 full on, were helping me with with, you know, with the book.
00:26:07.100 --> 00:26:14.659 Alan Pearce: 2 of those 20 didn't say that they thought they'd gone mad. The other 18 were convinced they had gone insane.
00:26:14.660 --> 00:26:15.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow!
00:26:15.650 --> 00:26:21.370 Alan Pearce: Because the doctors didn't help them, because the doctors are saying, Well, I'm sorry. You know this is a form of delusion.
00:26:21.370 --> 00:26:23.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A quick question. So
00:26:23.780 --> 00:26:30.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you're in this. You're in a coma. You're having this experience of a whole different life.
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:38.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but not necessarily a past life, because it sounds like, from what you said, it could be a life that they were still alive in this lifetime when they're having it.
00:26:38.340 --> 00:26:51.479 Alan Pearce: Don't know. I mean, if you take Nick I mean, he could have easily died in the late 19 seventies and been born again, and being 35 year old, guy he was, you know, when I was speaking to him. No one's been. No one that I spoke to
00:26:51.710 --> 00:26:53.860 Alan Pearce: has had a life in the future.
00:26:54.020 --> 00:27:01.130 Alan Pearce: Oftentimes they're even further back. One guy told me he looked really good in a Georgian wig.
00:27:02.275 --> 00:27:02.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay?
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:03.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And okay, that's
00:27:03.770 --> 00:27:09.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so. You have this life. You come back. You don't recognize your wife, your children, or whatever
00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:17.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: does that? Does their current memories of their current life eventually come back or.
00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:18.330 Alan Pearce: Overnight.
00:27:18.330 --> 00:27:19.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Time, or or.
00:27:19.610 --> 00:27:24.549 Alan Pearce: Tell me that they have memories of their current life because they've been told these memories.
00:27:25.300 --> 00:27:32.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: One person told me that when she came to she didn't know what humans were.
00:27:32.740 --> 00:27:38.130 Alan Pearce: Her mother's in the room. She didn't know her from anyone, and
00:27:38.520 --> 00:27:48.829 Alan Pearce: others have just told me that. Basically I know what I know, because I've been told. You know, I went to my grand. I went to my grandson's birthday party on Saturday. I couldn't remember his name.
00:27:49.070 --> 00:27:55.030 Alan Pearce: That kind of thing. Yeah. And also, when you come out of a coma, the
00:27:55.340 --> 00:27:57.889 Alan Pearce: having been in a prolonged coma
00:27:58.080 --> 00:28:09.370 Alan Pearce: can cause all sorts of physical and mental damage. Tens of points can be knocked off. The IQ people are left in terrible physical damage, bones, calcified, muscles
00:28:09.370 --> 00:28:13.919 Alan Pearce: complete waste, and so on. I could go on. It's just absolutely ghastly.
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:14.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:28:15.620 --> 00:28:25.590 Alan Pearce: and what I'm saying here, you know, I'm giving you examples of alternate lives or nightmarish worlds. Not everyone has that, you know. Some people it is a total and utter blank.
00:28:25.690 --> 00:28:33.510 Alan Pearce: Other people I spoke to. It's kind of blank, but they're a brain, a consciousness in the complete dark.
00:28:34.630 --> 00:28:35.140 Alan Pearce: Oh, that's
00:28:35.140 --> 00:28:42.839 Alan Pearce: nothing around them. They're just there, one girl. And I say, girl, because she was 14 at the time. Chiara from Italy.
00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:55.370 Alan Pearce: She kept calling out, mummy, mummy, come and wake me up. I've been sleeping too long, and she just didn't, could not pull herself out of this terrible terrible black zone that she was in.
00:28:55.870 --> 00:29:00.529 Alan Pearce: It's different for so many people. Others remember nothing. Others remember that.
00:29:00.530 --> 00:29:12.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And there's sort of no correlation between someone who has this, that complete dark experience versus someone who remembers something. It's not a different type of drug a different length of time. Wow.
00:29:12.170 --> 00:29:15.189 Alan Pearce: I mean, some people want one Guy Rory, who helped me.
00:29:15.190 --> 00:29:15.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you.
00:29:15.550 --> 00:29:34.039 Alan Pearce: He was in an horrific home invasion. He was at death's door, got airlifted direct to surgery. He had the most horrendous coma experiences which he said were far worse than the home invasion. And then there's other people top of my head, Nicky, who's in the book? English woman.
00:29:34.620 --> 00:29:47.940 Alan Pearce: just a normal life recently married. Everything's going well. Got a good job, very happy, got lots of friends. She has the worst nightmarish experience. She spent 88 0 years
00:29:48.130 --> 00:29:53.339 Alan Pearce: as a living mannequin in a serial killer themed bar
00:29:53.640 --> 00:30:10.739 Alan Pearce: where, nightly in front of a paying audience, they would reenact various crimes against her right, and this went on for 80 years, and she could count the time, and she gave birth twice during this, and they took her kids away, and when she came out of the coma. Who can you talk to? Who can you talk.
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:12.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To about that.
00:30:12.110 --> 00:30:20.159 Alan Pearce: And oftentimes, you know, when I, these 20 plus people who help me with the book, it's not like day one. They come and tell me these things?
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:20.820 Alan Pearce: Yeah, yeah.
00:30:20.820 --> 00:30:26.609 Alan Pearce: after a period of time. And I'm telling them, well, I'm finding out what doctors are telling me, and we're having general chats.
00:30:26.750 --> 00:30:35.640 Alan Pearce: Bit by bit the stuff will come out, and they're telling me things just like Nick's story of being in the serial killer bar. Sorry Debbie's story.
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:38.510 Alan Pearce: She'd never told anyone.
00:30:39.010 --> 00:30:40.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right, and you could.
00:30:40.430 --> 00:30:41.560 Alan Pearce: I mean you couldn't.
00:30:41.560 --> 00:30:43.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right? Because people just think you're crazy, right?
00:30:43.800 --> 00:30:55.050 Alan Pearce: Yeah. So they're trapped. They come out of it. They've survived something ghastly like Covid. The physical wreck. Their brain's often shot to ribbons, and they've got these memories
00:30:55.050 --> 00:31:16.519 Alan Pearce: that are so real. And people say, Oh, well, you must have had terrible dreams in your coma. You can't dream in a coma. By the way, because your brain's been switched off, you don't go through your Circadian rhythms. You do not experience rem sleep. You can't dream so what the heck, and I've dreamt I have really really vivid dreams. I occasionally have lucid dreaming, not on this scale.
00:31:16.730 --> 00:31:27.740 Alan Pearce: When they describe things they're describing exactly as you would describe, say, you know any event to me in real terms, you know, with the sights, the smells, the touch, the feelings, the emotions.
00:31:28.554 --> 00:31:33.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow! Oh, my God, this is! It's it's it's
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:44.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's amazing. You think of coma. You think of someone just just checked out, and they go to sleep, and they wake up and like they don't even know the difference. But this is like
00:31:45.510 --> 00:31:54.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the real truth is that there's now not everybody. But there's a possibility of having a whole variety of different experiences.
00:31:55.030 --> 00:32:04.749 Alan Pearce: Yeah. And no one will even, pre, you know, preempt preempt this by saying, Hardly ever get anyone gets told they're being placed into a coma, they say, can have a nice little sleep now.
00:32:04.750 --> 00:32:05.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.050 Alan Pearce: What they should do, and we could get into why they should do it, and why they shouldn't.
00:32:09.050 --> 00:32:09.820 Alan Pearce: We do the code?
00:32:09.820 --> 00:32:14.589 Alan Pearce: But what they should do is say, Look, you're going to go down. You may have some funny experiences.
00:32:15.020 --> 00:32:34.870 Alan Pearce: They're all in your mind. Don't take them too seriously, and you kind of prep people for it. So the horror show that's about to unfold they may have in the back of their mind. It's not real, and they'll survive that, or when they come out of there, don't just leave them there, and they can't talk often if they've been on a ventilator because they've got damage to vocal cords. They can't speak for weeks. In many cases.
00:32:34.870 --> 00:32:35.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This is.
00:32:35.590 --> 00:32:40.770 Alan Pearce: So it's a lot they can't actually say to anyone, Where's my wife? Where are my 3 daughters?
00:32:40.770 --> 00:32:41.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:32:41.180 --> 00:32:43.520 Alan Pearce: Happened to my architecture, business.
00:32:43.520 --> 00:33:13.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right? Right. Got it? Got it all right. We got to take a break. We have another comment from our loyal listener, Patney. I'll get to it when we come back. This is such a fascinating topic, Alan, I'm really, really glad you wrote a book and did this research. Okay, so everyone. Please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We're talking with Alan Pierce co-author, I should say he wrote it with his wife, Beverly, Pierce, coma and near death experience, and we will be right back in just a moment.
00:34:48.659 --> 00:35:10.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, Alan, we were talking about how like when you get put into a coma, there's usually some emergency. That's why they put you in a coma, and and so there's no preparation for it. You're just in it, and then you come out and and you don't have anyone you can really talk to about it, because everyone's going to think you're crazy.
00:35:11.319 --> 00:35:27.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And you've done some research. And we talked. And you talked about how coma is like so bad on the body so it could be bad for the brain. So why do doctors put people in coma? Is there any alternative to it?
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:31.639 Alan Pearce: Yeah, really, I mean, this is the large part of the book.
00:35:32.650 --> 00:35:34.310 Alan Pearce: If you think the
00:35:34.470 --> 00:35:53.139 Alan Pearce: medical history is just littered with examples of things. They got wrong, you know, like draining blood from people at death's door, for example, they did that for well over a thousand years. Just go on not washing your hands, doctors, appalled by the notion they should wash their hands. That was just less than 200 years ago.
00:35:53.420 --> 00:35:54.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:35:54.560 --> 00:36:06.970 Alan Pearce: They got into the notion of placing people into comas because there were other patients who had a thing called odds, acute, respiratory, distress syndrome. It's invariably fatal.
00:36:07.090 --> 00:36:26.629 Alan Pearce: So to make them as comfortable as possible. They realized when they had these new ventilators that turned up on the market, that microprocessor controlled that you could just knock them out, and they just look like all sleeping and comfortable. And eventually they quietly die. So they thought, huh! That's really humane. So when
00:36:27.370 --> 00:36:30.190 Alan Pearce: things happen, we can fast forward a bit to Covid
00:36:30.510 --> 00:36:49.879 Alan Pearce: Covid overwhelmed people to such an extent they'd never seen the like of it before, regardless of what people believe about Covid or whatnot. The medical people were massively overwhelmed, and they had no notion what to do, and they thought, oh, arts, patients. And here's the other thing.
00:36:50.210 --> 00:36:57.050 Alan Pearce: They were so overwhelmed that people were drafted into intensive care from all over the hospital system. Paediatrics or.
00:36:57.050 --> 00:36:58.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And one, and.
00:36:58.450 --> 00:37:18.880 Alan Pearce: And they have no notion about these things. So somewhere along the line they thought, if we knock them out they'll be comfortable, and it's a little bit like shoving them in the freezer as in. We can't go with it now let's put them in the freezer. Get them out later. See how they are. That sounds a bit glib, but we're not far off the mark. There now.
00:37:19.570 --> 00:37:24.619 Alan Pearce: you know, I wrote the book. I'm a journal. My wife's a private eye. So
00:37:24.940 --> 00:37:33.769 Alan Pearce: we tried to find my wife. Bea can find anything. We tried to find documentation, medical journals, scientific literature
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:38.030 Alan Pearce: that advocated prolonged deep sedation.
00:37:38.210 --> 00:37:39.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is none.
00:37:40.040 --> 00:37:41.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No, no, wow!
00:37:42.230 --> 00:37:46.399 Alan Pearce: The Medical Journal. The Lancet. Right is the the journal.
00:37:46.740 --> 00:37:55.920 Alan Pearce: We we spoke to the editors, and we said, Can you point us to any articles advocating prolonged deep sedation took a while, came back. No, we haven't got any.
00:37:56.300 --> 00:37:59.490 Alan Pearce: There's a wealth of literature saying, Don't do it, don't do it.
00:37:59.490 --> 00:37:59.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because.
00:37:59.850 --> 00:38:13.200 Alan Pearce: Because physically you'll cause a massive, massive damage. Your joints will calcify, your muscles will waste. All sorts of terrible things will happen to you cognitively, you can be a complete and utter mess, not remembering anything.
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:14.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:23.930 Alan Pearce: I've spoke to doctors who do not place people in coma, people who've got precisely the same problems covid whatever pneumonia, whatever.
00:38:24.460 --> 00:38:29.809 Alan Pearce: and they talk to them, and they say the literature is very clear about this. If we keep you conscious
00:38:30.050 --> 00:38:33.110 Alan Pearce: you're invested in your own recovery. You're not.
00:38:33.925 --> 00:38:34.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm.
00:38:34.740 --> 00:38:36.299 Alan Pearce: Okay, it's uncomfortable.
00:38:36.890 --> 00:38:37.660 Alan Pearce: We've
00:38:37.930 --> 00:38:55.689 Alan Pearce: we sedate. You knock you out for a bit, and then you just come to it. It's in your throat, you know, it's going to be there. And hopefully you have a partner holding your hand and gently, gently, gently. You're into it in the same way. During the period that we've been speaking, we've not given one second's thought to our breathing.
00:38:56.120 --> 00:38:56.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:38:56.780 --> 00:39:01.590 Alan Pearce: That patient, sooner or later will be so distracted they won't give a minute's thought to their breathing.
00:39:01.790 --> 00:39:09.830 Alan Pearce: and modern ventilators allow the patient to initiate the breathing. So actually, it's uncomfortable. No joke, but you're in intensive care. That's not fun, either.
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:16.090 Alan Pearce: but you can, and you can run a business off your laptop. You can text your friends and family.
00:39:16.520 --> 00:39:17.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:39:17.160 --> 00:39:24.009 Alan Pearce: By being conscious. You're not going into this, even even if you're
00:39:24.500 --> 00:39:27.239 Alan Pearce: just slightly bubbling under the surface.
00:39:27.690 --> 00:39:33.369 Alan Pearce: your conscious world and your dream world will weld themselves into each other.
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:40.900 Alan Pearce: and those will turn into nightmarish events. It's just horrible for people people who, for example.
00:39:41.710 --> 00:39:44.169 Alan Pearce: is called prisoners cinema
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:51.929 Alan Pearce: people in solitary confinement when they've got 4 bare walls after a very short period of time, and we're talking less than an hour.
00:39:52.070 --> 00:39:54.300 Alan Pearce: Start to see things in their room.
00:39:54.680 --> 00:40:02.979 Alan Pearce: The longer they're in that situation the more complex things they will see. There's a whole bunch of other people, cities, towns, streets, cars.
00:40:04.030 --> 00:40:18.990 Alan Pearce: The same thing is happening because the brain is not being sufficiently occupied. That's happened to a lot of people in intensive care who are not even placed into a coma. They're just kind of doped up a bit that's happening a lot. And that's not appreciated because that's horrifying for people.
00:40:18.990 --> 00:40:19.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:40:19.530 --> 00:40:23.159 Alan Pearce: Absolutely horrifying. Oh, I mean, you know.
00:40:23.160 --> 00:40:24.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A quick question.
00:40:24.730 --> 00:40:25.470 Alan Pearce: Worth doing.
00:40:25.610 --> 00:40:26.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, hopefully.
00:40:26.630 --> 00:40:34.320 Alan Pearce: You know. Can I just say this thing? We've all been in a coma if we've had an operation, you know, if you've had your appendix out, and they knocked you out, gave you a.
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:34.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Ones.
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.959 Alan Pearce: Ethic, you were rendered comatose. Now
00:40:39.910 --> 00:40:44.900 Alan Pearce: take a heart. Bypass takes between 4 to 6 h. They know
00:40:45.260 --> 00:41:02.750 Alan Pearce: that will cause cognitive harm, particularly if you're young or elderly, but it will cause cognitive harm. People are never the same again. They know this from 4 to 6 h. The drugs they give you on the operating table are depending on availability, more or less the same drugs they're giving you during coma.
00:41:02.850 --> 00:41:17.690 Alan Pearce: except possibly they're upping things like the benzos and the morphine, and so on, and so forth. Now they know, with 4 to 6 h. It causes harm, cognitive harm. People in comas for months, 3 months, whatever right you come out of that. You're fried. You've not slept
00:41:18.170 --> 00:41:19.940 Alan Pearce: no sleep going on at all.
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:23.119 Alan Pearce: Your brain is just fried.
00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:32.930 Alan Pearce: but it's not appreciated, and when it is appreciated, for example, you know I like the notion that doctors experiment on themselves, you know, inject themselves with, you know, whatever
00:41:33.590 --> 00:41:37.920 Alan Pearce: I don't know any doctors that have thought Coma. I'm going to have to go in and find.
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:38.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What it's like.
00:41:38.690 --> 00:41:50.809 Alan Pearce: Myself. Now those that have had an accident. There's Dr. Eben Alexander, who's a neurosurgeon from somewhere in the south of the States.
00:41:51.340 --> 00:42:06.500 Alan Pearce: He got a form of meningitis that's invariably lethal. He went into a coma. He just had the full on near death experience. Bucolic landscape, you know. Beautiful music, you know, one with the universe, all of the rest of it.
00:42:07.310 --> 00:42:20.129 Alan Pearce: And he's a neurosurgeon. He comes out, starts telling people about this and think he's a Nutter. They just think he's nuts. He has, however, written a number of best selling books, and he's laughing at this former colleagues. However.
00:42:20.535 --> 00:42:23.600 Alan Pearce: he's former colleagues did not take him seriously.
00:42:23.990 --> 00:42:31.199 Alan Pearce: Take him seriously. He had to study for a minimum of 14 years over and above becoming a doctor, just to be a neurosurgeon. Come.
00:42:31.200 --> 00:42:31.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:42:31.630 --> 00:42:38.120 Alan Pearce: This guy seriously, and they don't. They just don't, because they go. Oh, one of the people
00:42:38.120 --> 00:42:40.830 Alan Pearce: helping us. She works in intensive care.
00:42:41.550 --> 00:43:02.769 Alan Pearce: She had the most terrible, terrible time when she was in an organ transplant facility in her coma, and they were just taking her organs out and regrowing them over and over again when she came out, and she got back to the hospital, and she spoke to her colleagues, the doctors, the anaesthetists, and told them about the experiences she had within her coma. They just went. Whoa! No way.
00:43:02.770 --> 00:43:04.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: She's not right.
00:43:04.270 --> 00:43:06.919 Alan Pearce: People won't listen, but it's happening.
00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:18.970 Alan Pearce: and it needs to stop. As I said just now, there's a handful of cases, really, when people can be placed into comas, but for very short periods of time, not for lengthy durations.
00:43:18.970 --> 00:43:19.540 Alan Pearce: Right?
00:43:19.850 --> 00:43:26.539 Alan Pearce: Maximum, 24 h or so. I'm not a doctor, but you can't find any medical literature saying prolonged.
00:43:26.540 --> 00:43:30.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, it's that that it's actually a good thing. Wow, wow!
00:43:30.340 --> 00:43:46.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our loyal listener, Patty asks. And this is around for people who've been in prolonged coma. And they have all these memories and things, and they come back, and nothing is familiar to them. Does it ever lead people to kill themselves like is the is the
00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:49.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: waking up into this reality well, and the difference.
00:43:49.370 --> 00:43:51.679 Alan Pearce: Yeah, I guess it does. I mean.
00:43:52.090 --> 00:43:56.160 Alan Pearce: I wouldn't know for sure, because if they'd done so I wouldn't have gotten to talk to.
00:43:56.160 --> 00:43:57.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Talk to them right?
00:43:57.170 --> 00:44:01.369 Alan Pearce: Many people did say to me, I just wish I died then.
00:44:01.650 --> 00:44:06.429 Alan Pearce: I wish I hadn't come back. You know the guy with the 3 daughters, you know.
00:44:06.430 --> 00:44:06.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Which is.
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:14.349 Alan Pearce: Wish I hadn't. You know he just wanted to stay there, whether they want to kill themselves. Here's the other thing.
00:44:14.900 --> 00:44:31.959 Alan Pearce: A large number of the people, particularly those who had some kind of like another life, or something on the more positive side, have come back with no fear of death. In fact, you know, I know exactly where I'm going, but I'm in no hurry. That kind of attitude.
00:44:32.570 --> 00:44:38.500 Alan Pearce: There are others like Rory, who was in the home invasion. Who's just petrified of death?
00:44:38.780 --> 00:44:50.230 Alan Pearce: He thought his his world I mean. It was. He was just trapped in this weird glass bubble, and he was sold as a sex slave, and all sorts of terrible things happened to him.
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.779 Alan Pearce: and he thinks that's what awaits him when he dies.
00:44:54.170 --> 00:45:00.519 Alan Pearce: Others who met their dead relatives were standing on the threshold, but couldn't put a foot over.
00:45:00.640 --> 00:45:15.980 Alan Pearce: Know that that awaits them when they die. That's in the book that's people I've spoken to people just opening up, and that people are telling their stories, not because they want self-publicity, although everyone's using their real name.
00:45:16.090 --> 00:45:24.649 Alan Pearce: they're doing it because they want other people who've been through this experience to know that they're not alone. I mean, this is key.
00:45:24.810 --> 00:45:40.099 Alan Pearce: And if you know anyone, if you're listening to this, and you know anyone who's been in a coma point them in the direction of this book, because suddenly some of the people that contact me since the book again, saying I thought I'd gone insane.
00:45:40.100 --> 00:45:40.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The auto.
00:45:40.590 --> 00:45:43.940 Alan Pearce: Was just me. Thank you.
00:45:43.940 --> 00:45:44.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:45:44.370 --> 00:45:57.180 Alan Pearce: And I think if if you know, one person does that, we've had that one already, that's enough, you know. It makes the book worthwhile, and I'm hoping like an awful lot of people in Covid, globally.
00:45:57.180 --> 00:45:57.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm! This.
00:45:57.780 --> 00:46:02.510 Alan Pearce: It's hard to say how many were placed into comas. But we're talking in the millions.
00:46:03.700 --> 00:46:04.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow!
00:46:04.370 --> 00:46:04.720 Alan Pearce: Yeah.
00:46:04.720 --> 00:46:06.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow! That is my.
00:46:06.040 --> 00:46:31.590 Alan Pearce: Percentage of those will be having the experiences we've been talking about today, and they've got no one to talk to about them. You're lucky like Nick, who's got a really wonderful partner, and she's just so understanding, and he can just open up. That's fine. Others just sit there on the sofa at home. I can't tell their wife, and you're thinking I'm supposed to have fallen in love with this person. I don't even know who she is.
00:46:31.970 --> 00:46:35.599 Alan Pearce: Funny habit, and before this they were in love.
00:46:35.600 --> 00:46:36.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.030 Alan Pearce: Changes, everything.
00:46:38.570 --> 00:46:56.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow! Truly amazing. All right, we got to take our last break of the show when we come back. You kind of touched upon it already. But like, what is the impact you're hoping to have with this book? And and who is this book really written for? Okay.
00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:57.520 Alan Pearce: Okay.
00:46:57.690 --> 00:47:12.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We've been speaking this hour to Alan Pierce, author of the book coma and near death experience, and we'll be right back to wrap it all up in just a moment.
00:48:53.510 --> 00:49:08.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, Alan, you initially started investigating for your book on coma near death experience because of Covid, and what was happening, and so many people being placed into coma because of it.
00:49:09.140 --> 00:49:16.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, now the book is written and it's published, and it's out there. Who do you feel this book is really for, I mean, is this for
00:49:16.770 --> 00:49:19.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: people who've been in a coma
00:49:19.590 --> 00:49:26.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to help normalize things is this for medical professionals? Is this just for anybody interested in the topic. Who's it really geared towards.
00:49:27.210 --> 00:49:29.720 Alan Pearce: Ok. All of the above.
00:49:29.720 --> 00:49:30.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:49:30.070 --> 00:49:34.940 Alan Pearce: You know, I really really want coma survivors to read this book, because
00:49:35.610 --> 00:49:41.380 Alan Pearce: had any kind of guidance, or whatever from the hospital afterwards, it's been nonsense.
00:49:42.140 --> 00:49:55.269 Alan Pearce: Just come straight to the point here, they've been told. Nonsense! The book will put everything in perspective, absolutely everything in perspective. And it's not just my thoughts on things, I mean, everything has been checked and checked and checked again.
00:49:56.730 --> 00:50:05.120 Alan Pearce: I had, like Vanderbilt Medical School. They have fact, checked the book. So we are really clear about all of this
00:50:05.450 --> 00:50:09.279 Alan Pearce: medical people. Boy, do I want medical people to do this?
00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:23.669 Alan Pearce: People tend to practice experience based medicine, as is, we've always done this. This is what my supervisor says to do. We will do this until we see a problem as opposed to evidence-based medicine.
00:50:23.670 --> 00:50:24.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:50:24.190 --> 00:50:29.350 Alan Pearce: Keeping abreast of all evidence is a full time job. So it's not. Everyone's up to doing that.
00:50:29.610 --> 00:50:30.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When.
00:50:31.420 --> 00:50:38.379 Alan Pearce: You have experienced medicine, and you you treat this person, and they they eventually become conscious.
00:50:38.490 --> 00:50:55.540 Alan Pearce: and you move them down. If they do, and you move them down the line to a care facility. It's ages before they speak again. You never get to speak to that patient. It is exceptionally rare. It's a bit like working on a conveyor belt, because critical care has become a conveyor belt of care
00:50:55.540 --> 00:50:56.600 Alan Pearce: all the times
00:50:56.600 --> 00:51:25.360 Alan Pearce: like working on a conveyor belt and not looking over your shoulder at the end product because it's coming out wrong. So I really want doctors and nurses to wake up to it. People who are coming new to the profession are seeing the new literature, but they're entering hospital systems where they go. Oh, no, no, we don't deal with that we just conk them out. Give them a nice sleep. They'll be fine, and then they get trapped in this world. So I want that to happen. But everyone should read this book statistically.
00:51:25.630 --> 00:51:33.889 Alan Pearce: If you live in a developed world, you are likely to spend 2 to 3 stays in an intensive care unit in your life. I've had one.
00:51:34.040 --> 00:51:35.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now.
00:51:36.300 --> 00:51:46.059 Alan Pearce: If you're in a situation where you're in a critical consideration, you don't put your into intensive care unless there's something seriously wrong with you.
00:51:46.060 --> 00:51:46.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:51:47.500 --> 00:51:56.799 Alan Pearce: Today it has become the go to procedure. We knock them out, fill them for the meds, see how they get on, try and bring them out
00:51:57.650 --> 00:52:03.889 Alan Pearce: and pass them down the line. Many people die within coma statistically. It's actually quite shocking. We do go into.
00:52:05.640 --> 00:52:09.640 Alan Pearce: And another thing that happens when they try to bring people out of a coma
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:37.469 Alan Pearce: oftentimes are either completely monked, and they just can't talk for weeks after the drugs, or they come out kicking and screaming because they're coming directly out of something like an organ, harvesting facility or whatever. And they're desperate to cling on to this life, and they're biting, and they're fighting, and they're ripping all the tubes out of them. 1st thing the nurse will do is turn the meds back on and send them back down again. So they're spending even longer. And they're sending them straight back into this nightmarish world.
00:52:37.670 --> 00:52:38.560 Alan Pearce: No.
00:52:39.250 --> 00:52:50.890 Alan Pearce: because, statistically, any one of us could have this happen. It could very easily happen to any one of our relatives. You know. They're in an accident, whatever they've got. Some kind of, you know, viral disease of the future.
00:52:51.580 --> 00:52:59.059 Alan Pearce: The doctors may say I'm sorry, but the best thing for them is to give them a nice deep sleep. Well, if you've read this book you'll know that's not the case.
00:52:59.060 --> 00:52:59.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:52:59.590 --> 00:53:03.550 Alan Pearce: Hopefully, you'll be able to argue about this because friendly.
00:53:03.850 --> 00:53:24.059 Alan Pearce: And you know, there are instances, you know, certain types of abdominal wounds. If you're having a brain seizure. Yeah, best switch it off. So it doesn't cause damage. But we're not talking for 3 months at a time. We're talking for very brief periods, and people agree with that. There's no problem with that. It's the prolonged element, you know. Weeks and weeks and months.
00:53:24.290 --> 00:53:48.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You mentioned something before about sort of the similarity between this and when someone is like in solitary confinement in prison, and there's no like a sensory deprivation experience. You mentioned to me off camera about this idea of dark retreats, and how that relates to some of this. I'm wondering if you. We just got a couple of minutes.
00:53:48.730 --> 00:53:49.260 Alan Pearce: Yeah.
00:53:49.260 --> 00:53:50.119 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Keep it brief.
00:53:50.640 --> 00:54:01.339 Alan Pearce: So I'm looking for parallels of the events that people are telling me that they're experiencing within coma. I've got some Buddhist friends, and they said, you should just look into dark retreats. What's a dark retreat?
00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:14.449 Alan Pearce: Since the dawn of time mystics and gurus have taken themselves off the darkest recesses of caves. They cut themselves off in the physical world so they can commune with the spirit world. Well, these days, you can book this online
00:54:14.670 --> 00:54:19.720 Alan Pearce: now like a spoke at length with
00:54:19.820 --> 00:54:27.550 Alan Pearce: the Hermitage dog retreat in Guatemala. And oh, boy.
00:54:27.750 --> 00:54:31.590 Alan Pearce: they've had something like 500 people run through their dark retreat.
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:40.050 Alan Pearce: I showed them coma survivor accounts, and they're saying, Whoa! This is what people experience within dark retreats. What's a dark retreat?
00:54:41.030 --> 00:54:56.499 Alan Pearce: You're in an enclosed dark space is absolutely no light. Food is passed through an airlock system twice a day, no contact with the outside world. Within minutes your brain will start creating images, geometric patterns all the rest of it.
00:54:56.530 --> 00:55:19.329 Alan Pearce: After time you will start seeing horrific events, like evil creatures crawling towards you and so forth, because you're prepped because you know about dark retreats before you do this, you know, to expect these things, and you know that that terrible creature crawling towards you isn't really there someone in a coma who's not been prepped, thinks that evil creature is crawling towards
00:55:21.170 --> 00:55:33.619 Alan Pearce: within these dark retreats. We're talking a room the size of the average apartment. Say, but it's pitch black. It can become the size of a cathedral. It's illuminated, massively illuminated.
00:55:33.740 --> 00:55:58.969 Alan Pearce: It's full of people. Sometimes they're medieval costumes. Sometimes they're wooden figurines. Sometimes you've got flying boats full of kittens flying around, or giant stone spaces, or huge animals, and people are seeing all these things. No drugs except those produced within the human body, and this is one of the key elements the human body produces. Dmt. Which you've talked about a lot in your show.
00:55:59.080 --> 00:56:17.419 Alan Pearce: No one knows quite where we produce it. They certainly don't know why we produce it, but the effects, when you're nearing the end of life, say, with a near-death experience, and you compare that with the Dmt. Trials that Strassman undertook. There's massive similarities.
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:33.939 Alan Pearce: and there's remarkable similarities between what people experience in a coma and what people experience within a dark retreat say for 40 days, because Dmt. Has been released in their system, it's completely opened their consciousness to other realities. And that's what's happened to people in coma.
00:56:34.820 --> 00:56:40.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow! That's incredible. That's incredible. And, by the way, Dr. Rick Straussman will be coming on my show, and.
00:56:40.080 --> 00:56:40.500 Alan Pearce: It was.
00:56:40.500 --> 00:56:41.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Future episode in a few weeks.
00:56:41.860 --> 00:56:43.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well well done!
00:56:43.470 --> 00:56:45.850 Alan Pearce: Yes, hero, absolute hero.
00:56:45.850 --> 00:57:02.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I'm really looking forward to having him on the show. Well, unfortunately, Alan, we have to leave it there. This is such a fascinating topic. And and I didn't get a chance. I wanted to ask you kind of how this all relates to the the digital world, because I know that you've also written books on the digital world and stuff.
00:57:02.230 --> 00:57:03.209 Alan Pearce: It doesn't.
00:57:03.700 --> 00:57:08.287 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. Oh, it doesn't. Okay. Good. That that makes it quick.
00:57:09.220 --> 00:57:21.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you. Again. His book, coma near Death experience available from all major booksellers, special thanks to inner traditions through whom I got connected to Alan.
00:57:21.300 --> 00:57:22.829 Alan Pearce: Thank you. Guys, yeah.
00:57:22.830 --> 00:57:31.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, thank you so much. One last little question, just is there any like future book you're working on that's going to be related to this topic, or is it.
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:47.419 Alan Pearce: No, I'm kind of keen to find different ways of contacting coma survivors or talking to them, or talking to doctors and nurses. That's really what I need to do next. I can't do a sequel, you know. Coma near death experience 2.
00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:47.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You are.
00:57:47.910 --> 00:57:57.639 Alan Pearce: It just wouldn't work. But I want to find ways of getting the message out that you've really got to stop doing this. And if it is happening to you, you're not alone.
00:57:57.640 --> 00:58:02.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yes, so please. If anyone listening to this show, if you know somebody.
00:58:02.390 --> 00:58:03.080 Alan Pearce: Oh, please!
00:58:03.080 --> 00:58:10.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Been in a coma from Covid, or for anything. Please make sure to get them a copy of this book. Let them know about the book
00:58:11.200 --> 00:58:19.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: again. The title is coma and near-death experience, the beautiful, disturbing, and dangerous world of the unconscious. Thank you, Alan.
00:58:19.890 --> 00:58:22.909 Alan Pearce: Sam, thank you so much. Been an absolute joy.
00:58:22.910 --> 00:58:27.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, it has been, and of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in every week.
00:58:27.950 --> 00:58:38.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If you missed any part of today's show. Again, you can always catch the replay on talkradio dot Nyc, and you can always catch the podcast on all the major podcasting platforms.
00:58:38.530 --> 00:58:43.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you all for tuning in. Take care we will talk to you all next week.
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