Jacob Cooper is the author of two books: “Life After Breath” and “The Wisdom of Jacob’s Ladder.” He is a sought-after speaker on grief, wisdom and consciousness. He offers meditation and mindfulness seminars to individuals and groups, many of whom have been diagnosed with cancer, developmental disabilities, and those experiencing symptoms of aging.
Jacob is sought after with major media outlets and has been a featured guest on CBS Television, Coast To Coast Am with George Noory; IANDS Radio; The Dead Life with Allison Dubois; Next Level Soul, and Long Island’s 94.3 The Shark with Jeffery Wands.
Jacob’s seminars promote healing for those grieving, people who seek to understand continuity of consciousness beyond the physical body, and for those with anxiety associated with the fear of life after death.
Jacob is the host of “The Wisdom of Jacob’s Ladder” a profound channel available on YouTube and cross platforms. He has conducted interviews with luminaries such as Lorna Byrne, Neale Donald Walsch, Allison Dubois and more…
We will discuss:
Jacob’s past and how this past leads him on his journey to where he is now…
Jacob’s near-death experience (nde), and what he learned from the nde
The role of spirituality in his life
Jacob’s beliefs
Why we are here?
What happens when we die?
Jacob’s current work/books
Facebook- @Jacob Cooper, LCSW
Instagram- @jacobcooperlcsw
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Website- Www.Jacoblcooper.com
Email- Jacobcooperlcsw@gmail.com
Youtube-@thewisdomofjacobsladder
Books- “Life After Breath”- https://amzn.to/3nLQ64R
“The Wisdom of Jacob’s Ladder- https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1958848808/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1674821811&sr=8-1
Music: https://meditationmusiclibrary.com/ The tune is "My Relaxing Piano."
Linda opens her show by introducing her guest Jacob Cooper. Conversation starts with diving into Jacob’s background and how an early near-death experience helped him discover his gift for clairvoyance. They also cover Jacob’s experience with spirituality.
Starting off segment 2, Linda and Jacob talk more about Jacob’s near-death experience. They also cover more about Jacob’s gift for clairvoyance.
In segment 3 Linda and Jacob talk about Jacob’s experience with other people who have had near-death experiences. They also discuss what happens when you die along with the books Jacob has written and his podcast “the wisdom of jacob's ladder”.
Linda closes the show with the great quest of “why are we here?” They also cover Jacob’s work and what he does on the day to day.
00:00:48.860 --> 00:00:55.989 Linda Marsanico: Hello, everyone! I'm Lindamar Sanico. Welcome to the A. Train to Sedona. Broadcast.
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00:02:12.290 --> 00:02:14.009 Linda Marsanico: I have a guest today.
00:02:14.210 --> 00:02:15.460 Linda Marsanico: Jacob Cooper.
00:02:19.610 --> 00:02:23.069 Linda Marsanico: Jacob is passionate about promoting, healing.
00:02:24.480 --> 00:02:28.889 Linda Marsanico: Jacob L. Cooper, the best selling author of Life after Breath.
00:02:29.050 --> 00:02:41.770 Linda Marsanico: and the wisdom of Jacob's Ladder is a sought after speaker on grief, wisdom, consciousness, offering meditation, and mindfulness, seminars to help others find purpose
00:02:41.870 --> 00:02:44.679 Linda Marsanico: and overcoming fears of life after death.
00:02:45.500 --> 00:02:58.420 Linda Marsanico: Jacob holds a master's of social work degree and is a licensed, clinical social worker, certified Reiki master, certified hypnotherapist and specializes in past life regression.
00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:10.869 Linda Marsanico: As a psychotherapist, Jacob works with individuals, groups and families to uncover emotional barriers, promote improved wellness and achieve resiliency.
00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:19.410 Linda Marsanico: Jacob incorporates mindfulness and a spiritual approach to focus on the connection between the mind, body, and spirit.
00:03:19.430 --> 00:03:27.339 Linda Marsanico: In effect, this teaches individuals how to improve cognitive processing and shift their perspective.
00:03:29.320 --> 00:03:31.210 Linda Marsanico: Welcome to the show, Jacob.
00:03:32.250 --> 00:03:38.279 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: An honor. Thank you so much, Linda, for having me here and talkradio dot nyc.
00:03:39.890 --> 00:03:44.650 Linda Marsanico: I wonder if you would tell us about how your past
00:03:45.200 --> 00:03:48.790 Linda Marsanico: and your journey lead you to where you are today?
00:03:50.010 --> 00:03:52.870 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah, that's that's an excellent question, Linda.
00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.560 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Certainly as a therapist, I really
00:03:56.730 --> 00:04:05.420 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: ascribe by that things are not random, that there is a reason for almost anything. And if you pop the hood, you're usually able to find
00:04:05.600 --> 00:04:19.180 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: indicative explanations, which really is what science, you know, really is about other than maybe the concept of a higher reality or God, that everything, in other words, has an explanation. And so
00:04:19.589 --> 00:04:28.489 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: how I came into being, I suppose, would be an unconventional developmental trajectory from, you know, the norm, although
00:04:28.540 --> 00:04:37.259 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: everyone has their own unique paths, but mine certainly was in a statistical bracket of unique paths. In a sense that I'm a part of the
00:04:37.470 --> 00:04:46.430 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: 5 to 10% of the population who had a near death experience, which is an increasing number as advancements in science and medicine.
00:04:46.610 --> 00:05:15.660 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: you know, are unfolding in front of us on a daily basis. But this near-death experience was unique experience within a unique experience. Given the age, the chronological age that I had it, which was just the age of 3 years old. September of 1993 was when I had, you know my profound near-death experience, which absolutely shifted my viewpoint on reality and life forever in this body. In this journey.
00:05:16.950 --> 00:05:18.880 Linda Marsanico: It is certainly dramatic.
00:05:19.390 --> 00:05:20.040 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah.
00:05:20.320 --> 00:05:21.710 Linda Marsanico: You go.
00:05:22.180 --> 00:05:28.620 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Dramatic traumatic, but also once I was able to really process it.
00:05:28.640 --> 00:05:50.569 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I recognized, you know, much like, you know, Pablo Picasso says I might be misquoting, but you know, the meaning of life, I think, is to find your gift, and the purpose of it is maybe to give it away, and it took me some time to recognize this experience as a gift, and the purpose behind it, you know, wasn't to just hold on to it, but to really
00:05:50.650 --> 00:05:56.469 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: let it go, that, in other words, life, 2 things could be true at the same time. Life could be personal.
00:05:56.520 --> 00:06:02.929 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But it's not always about you. It really is about the ripple effect, you know, to really transforming
00:06:02.940 --> 00:06:06.990 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: what you walked into, to defining it as your greatest triumph.
00:06:08.930 --> 00:06:17.990 Linda Marsanico: Yes, I'm wondering if, because of the nde we'll call near-death experience nde from here on in.
00:06:17.990 --> 00:06:18.590 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah.
00:06:18.590 --> 00:06:23.560 Linda Marsanico: Broadcast, you found the gift of clairvoyance.
00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:41.650 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yes, absolutely, which is quite common for people who have near death experiences a lot of top tier mediums, in fact, that you see in the public have had some degree of a spiritual transformative experience or a near-death experience.
00:06:41.650 --> 00:06:56.099 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But you know to me we all have clairvoyance. We all have the capacity to see. And again, clairvoyance comes from a French word means Claire, which really has to do with our ability to see, you know and understand unseen forces.
00:06:56.593 --> 00:07:03.389 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: We have, I believe, 5 claires or 4 claires. I sometimes get mixed up. But yes, clairvoyance that capacity to see.
00:07:03.500 --> 00:07:09.179 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But we all have it. It's just sometimes those things are buried. And through a shakeup
00:07:09.310 --> 00:07:22.190 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: of the the physiological body, you know, we're able to really tap into a higher mind and a higher consciousness that we're always there. But sometimes we're not privy to at all times in the human journey.
00:07:23.390 --> 00:07:27.149 Linda Marsanico: I'll get back to that a little later in the broadcast.
00:07:27.840 --> 00:07:32.720 Linda Marsanico: I'm wondering about the role of spirituality in your life.
00:07:34.750 --> 00:07:41.579 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: It. It's my oxygen, you know, and I think it's the global oxygen.
00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.540 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: you know. I I'll give an example within a near-death experience.
00:07:46.730 --> 00:07:47.990 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: The
00:07:48.030 --> 00:08:00.190 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: difficult part is the color scheme. The colors that we have in our world are largely based off of the colors from the sun, you know that's the spectrum of colors that we have in this reality.
00:08:00.790 --> 00:08:10.330 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: In a little bit, you know, when I really delve into potentially my near death experience a little bit more. The difficult part is is that was connecting to an eternal light
00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:18.279 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: which goes beyond any measurable or describable light that we have in here, but much like the sun
00:08:18.340 --> 00:08:22.620 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and the planet have an interdependence with each other.
00:08:22.700 --> 00:08:32.190 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: so, too, does our inner light on one another. In other words, our microcosmic light impacts the macrocosm.
00:08:32.419 --> 00:08:41.380 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so we that's the interdependence much like. And I think we could learn a lot from the laws of nature, just as the earth depends on our sun.
00:08:41.409 --> 00:08:51.870 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: this reality and continuity, and this reality is dependent on our ability to really remember and embody the light inside each and every person.
00:08:54.570 --> 00:09:00.100 Linda Marsanico: So would you say that your inner light was
00:09:00.580 --> 00:09:08.540 Linda Marsanico: recharged or shaken up to bright, to to shine more brightly as a result of the nde.
00:09:08.860 --> 00:09:09.920 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah, absolutely.
00:09:10.510 --> 00:09:15.469 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You know, I think there's a tremendous association of beliefs and behaviors
00:09:15.590 --> 00:09:22.000 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: in information influencing beliefs which influencing our behavioral engagement with the world.
00:09:22.060 --> 00:09:28.010 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so a lot of people walk around with what we call an ego, or just.
00:09:28.638 --> 00:09:32.289 Linda Marsanico: A set characteristics of self perception.
00:09:32.490 --> 00:09:50.229 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And many times the issue with that is that it's quite limited, you know, and oftentimes I'll ask people in workshops to point to themselves, and they'll point to a body, or maybe they'll point to a job or a spouse that they're, you know, connected to. And I said, Well, when all those things. Go, then, what are you? Do you?
00:09:50.250 --> 00:09:54.339 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Are you not existing, you know, are you not, you know, going to go on?
00:09:54.480 --> 00:10:12.060 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so the point of real spirituality is to really understand the laws of nature, the laws of reality, that we live in a very finite existence. But we're infinite beings and the important things is really to have a value system. So the things that matter.
00:10:12.060 --> 00:10:28.259 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: the things that are important and to let go of the small stuff a lot of times, and to recognize the temporary nature, you know, of all these things. And so I always say when you're driving a car, you may not know what's around the corner, but if you know there is no ending, or rather, there's a soft landing.
00:10:28.260 --> 00:10:48.130 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: it becomes an easier road, and you're able to have a lot more resilience among the journey. So I think, having a sense of spirituality, really partners with mental health as well as a fostered sense of resilience from a sense of trust and faith, belief, and even on a further basis, even a knowing.
00:10:48.270 --> 00:10:53.600 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: you know, which is undeniable. Shadow of doubt, understanding of things.
00:10:54.330 --> 00:10:55.560 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: It's beyond doubt. Yeah.
00:10:55.560 --> 00:10:59.189 Linda Marsanico: Yes, yes, I feel that my faith
00:11:00.060 --> 00:11:07.099 Linda Marsanico: comforts me. I pray all the time not in a dogmatic way, although sometimes I'll recite an early prayer.
00:11:07.390 --> 00:11:28.080 Linda Marsanico: When I say God, what do you think about this? Would you give me some information about this? Thank you so much for that. It's just a walking commentary in this world today is very, very helpful. And I do feel connected. And it's actually one of the tips in my book that faith and the sense of connectedness that we get from it.
00:11:28.740 --> 00:11:37.270 Linda Marsanico: because God is always speaking to us. But if I'm too distracted I can't hear the voice. I can't get the the little
00:11:37.290 --> 00:11:44.020 Linda Marsanico: prompts or the big prompts that are going to come through. So faith and prayer are very important to me.
00:11:44.340 --> 00:11:47.122 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah. Well, I love that. Quote that said
00:11:47.640 --> 00:11:58.150 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Prayer is talking to God, and meditation, which I'm sure we'll get into is a way of listening to God, but it leads to soul empowerment. I mean, so many people
00:11:58.300 --> 00:12:13.840 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: live their lives from the outside in meaning something's happening externally in the world, and that, you know, really is impacting understandably their inner reality. And I think spirituality in a nutshell is is governed by a statement that
00:12:13.980 --> 00:12:20.890 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: his name is Rumi. He was like a philosopher, you know, and I'm sure many people heard of Rumi, but he had a quote that said
00:12:20.910 --> 00:12:49.370 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: yesterday I was smart, and I want to change the world. And today I was wise, and I decided to change myself. And by that I mean, you don't have to go to like a you can't go to like a Tony Robbins things and have a whole self revamp thing. I think those things are great, but by changing the self. I mean changing consciousness, changing the vantage point that we're looking at life. And oftentimes, if we're fixated on the outside, we're seeing a lot of problems. But if we're really tapped in within, like, as you said, we could find a lot more solutions.
00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.040 Linda Marsanico: Letting go of what doesn't serve us is essential.
00:12:54.560 --> 00:13:01.690 Linda Marsanico: If we become angry, or grief stricken or resentful, to work on the issues.
00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:10.829 Linda Marsanico: to grieve them to acknowledge them, grieve them, and let them go, really lightens us it it just makes life more
00:13:11.380 --> 00:13:14.319 Linda Marsanico: magnificent to see the light rather than.
00:13:14.500 --> 00:13:17.399 Linda Marsanico: as you said before, the perspective of anything
00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:23.379 Linda Marsanico: problematic or dark, we can make a choice. I mean, compassion is an everyday experience.
00:13:23.380 --> 00:13:23.890 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: No.
00:13:23.910 --> 00:13:25.219 Linda Marsanico: And it's a choice.
00:13:25.640 --> 00:13:31.739 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Absolutely healing is not self abandonment. I think if you want to heal, you have to allow yourself to feel.
00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:48.405 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You know those 2 work hand in hand. But yes, continued to ascend through the experience, and I find transformation was birthed out of the ashes of pain many times. You know it's that Phoenix out of the ashes. No pun intended with the Sedona theme, but you know.
00:13:48.740 --> 00:13:50.719 Linda Marsanico: My beloved city.
00:13:50.720 --> 00:14:00.649 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You could tell. We love Arizona, and certainly we could talk Zona all day, because that is where in many ways I'm sure our hearts are, and many others too. It's a wonderful place.
00:14:00.930 --> 00:14:06.650 Linda Marsanico: So our viewers might take note of the photo image of Bell Rock.
00:14:06.650 --> 00:14:07.240 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah.
00:14:07.410 --> 00:14:11.600 Linda Marsanico: In the background of Jacob's office.
00:14:11.780 --> 00:14:18.065 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Not Jacob's ladder. Jacob's office that, too. But yeah, I carry that with me to all my offices, and
00:14:18.790 --> 00:14:24.260 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: you know, we all have our own bliss, and you have to find the things that you really make you feel uplifted.
00:14:25.250 --> 00:14:26.450 Linda Marsanico: Very true.
00:14:26.520 --> 00:14:31.169 Linda Marsanico: Now it is time for us to take a break, and when we come back
00:14:31.310 --> 00:14:36.120 Linda Marsanico: I would like to ask you more about the details of your nd.
00:14:36.590 --> 00:14:43.150 Linda Marsanico: So we're going to go on a break, and we'll come back to discuss this very exciting event.
00:16:59.300 --> 00:17:00.750 Linda Marsanico: Hello, everyone!
00:17:00.800 --> 00:17:06.520 Linda Marsanico: Welcome back to the A. Train to Sedona with my guest, Jacob Cooper.
00:17:06.619 --> 00:17:15.010 Linda Marsanico: Jacob, would you tell us in more detail about your nde the near-death experience.
00:17:15.999 --> 00:17:19.449 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Absolutely. It's my my greatest pleasure
00:17:19.549 --> 00:17:27.950 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: to allow people to possibly remember something that might be familiar within themselves a time
00:17:27.950 --> 00:17:30.439 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: when they were beyond the body.
00:17:30.520 --> 00:17:38.290 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I do believe at this juncture. In time more and more people are tuning into and ease and afterlife phenomenon.
00:17:38.310 --> 00:17:42.690 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: because there is a part of recollection, a part that's familiar
00:17:42.710 --> 00:17:48.049 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that's gravitating them to hearing these stories, and that part is the soul
00:17:48.100 --> 00:17:59.129 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: which knows its eternal, which knows its vastness and is unlimited by the body, or any type of programming that we've really ascribed to
00:17:59.180 --> 00:18:08.279 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: in a limited sense of self. But September of 1993 was when I had my near death experience, I was just the chronological age of 3 years old.
00:18:08.390 --> 00:18:13.840 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Notice how I say chronological age, because there is a dichotomy of chronological age
00:18:13.940 --> 00:18:16.589 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and solage which certainly we could get into.
00:18:16.630 --> 00:18:19.539 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But I was in a playground with family friends.
00:18:19.580 --> 00:18:29.090 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I suffocated in the playground while climbing a ladder going into a slide due to result of contracting pertussis, otherwise known as whipping cough.
00:18:29.260 --> 00:18:36.739 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: which to this day was the scariest, most traumatizing moment of my life without sugarcoating it.
00:18:36.840 --> 00:18:43.770 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: but from losing all sense of my connectivity to breath, I was able to surrender
00:18:43.780 --> 00:18:47.449 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: to a breath that we all are eternally connected, to
00:18:47.500 --> 00:18:52.879 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: which I refer to as the breath of eternity, which is something that we're all created from
00:18:53.010 --> 00:18:56.999 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and from losing my human breath. Surrender to the breath of eternity
00:18:57.030 --> 00:19:00.260 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: was when everything really opened up.
00:19:00.330 --> 00:19:02.469 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But the last piece that I remember
00:19:02.950 --> 00:19:08.030 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: within myself was my brain's deprivation of oxygen.
00:19:08.040 --> 00:19:11.469 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and I felt my brain just snap or crack in half.
00:19:11.520 --> 00:19:13.750 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: due to the deprivation of oxygen.
00:19:13.800 --> 00:19:18.679 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and, as the saying goes, my brain cracked open, and God came in.
00:19:18.730 --> 00:19:22.039 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and this happened to me on a literal basis
00:19:22.270 --> 00:19:27.590 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: which something we could certainly get into regarding the brain and mind. Dichotomy.
00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:34.840 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But once my brain cracked open, that's and I surrendered to this eternal breath
00:19:34.950 --> 00:19:42.509 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: was when everything opened from my awareness to all things that are around each and every one of us at all times.
00:19:42.640 --> 00:20:02.089 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that sometimes we have our blinders on and our human filters, but does not mean that they're not there. We could think it, but it doesn't change the reality that we have so much love and so much divine beauty around us at all times of our human journeys. But I was able to really have
00:20:02.270 --> 00:20:15.659 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: all of the barriers lifted, and there was like a windows without walls. There was no barriers to the other side or to heaven, and I was able to really see spirit, my own spirit guides, which we all
00:20:15.740 --> 00:20:19.510 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: come into this lifetime contracted to.
00:20:19.600 --> 00:20:32.039 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and we usually have, I would say, 2 primary spirit guides, and throughout our lives. We could also have other secondary guides that we, you know, are connected to.
00:20:32.310 --> 00:20:38.839 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I was able to see an infinite amount of angels that were in front of me on the other side.
00:20:39.410 --> 00:20:43.189 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: is able to see my spirit, family, or soul family
00:20:43.290 --> 00:20:45.410 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that was there on the other side.
00:20:45.460 --> 00:20:48.780 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: as well as awareness of past lives.
00:20:49.330 --> 00:21:02.050 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Awareness of God, Christ, consciousness, you name it. So. This was the ultimate crossing over experience that I had, but the most interesting piece was
00:21:02.280 --> 00:21:09.149 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: the majority, I would estimate, give a rough estimate that around 70% of near-death experiencers
00:21:09.210 --> 00:21:12.819 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: are really suggested by the spirit realm
00:21:12.870 --> 00:21:18.119 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that it's not your time. There's stuff to continue to do on this Earth school
00:21:18.550 --> 00:21:23.819 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: at this point. In time that was not the case. I was in a again a rare
00:21:23.980 --> 00:21:32.240 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: a situation where I was given autonomy as to what I would do, would I, you know, should I stay, or should I go, as the song says.
00:21:32.530 --> 00:21:39.569 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and I just simply asked, You know, if I stay, what will my life be like?
00:21:39.750 --> 00:21:49.800 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And I just saw myself speaking in front of people and helping others, and I saw the impact of the many crowds that I am speaking to until this day.
00:21:50.230 --> 00:21:53.900 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so I said, while heaven is certainly for real and beautiful.
00:21:53.990 --> 00:21:59.859 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: The capacity to bring that down to this reality is the ultimate heaven
00:22:00.100 --> 00:22:03.059 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that to me is even greater than heaven.
00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:09.299 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And I said, absolutely, I will do all these things. I will be used as an instrument
00:22:09.390 --> 00:22:10.770 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: for thy will.
00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:18.570 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and once I agreed, you know that's when everything dissipated, and I woke up on a hospital bed in Long Island, New York.
00:22:18.760 --> 00:22:26.919 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: with a very frantic mother who didn't know where I was, and a frantic young boy who wanted to shake my mother to tell her
00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:30.410 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that I was all good, unfortunately
00:22:30.570 --> 00:22:37.890 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: consistent with near-death experience research. It took me around 20 years to really fully put into words
00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:39.819 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: what I endured.
00:22:39.850 --> 00:22:42.680 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But this didn't come without a price
00:22:43.220 --> 00:22:45.939 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: throughout, you know a lot of my childhood
00:22:46.100 --> 00:22:52.199 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I had to deal with what was a blessing and a curse which was being different.
00:22:52.360 --> 00:22:57.590 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: which every kid is almost prescribed to move in the opposite direction.
00:22:57.700 --> 00:23:04.619 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But later in life I think the greatest thing that we can do is to be ourselves, which is a different contribution
00:23:04.820 --> 00:23:08.170 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: to, you know, the consciousness of humanity.
00:23:08.270 --> 00:23:12.349 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so that is a bit of an abridge, but
00:23:12.520 --> 00:23:19.310 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: you know to the point narrative of my nde, but I
00:23:19.360 --> 00:23:24.689 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: really have decided to not be defined by my end. E. But rather each and every day of my life
00:23:24.730 --> 00:23:31.800 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: to define and to make meaning more importantly of it, it doesn't change the series of events.
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:34.439 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Those were some that I walked into.
00:23:34.520 --> 00:23:43.089 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: but each and every day it's my duty and job to make sense of ways to integrate those beautiful images and experiences that I endured.
00:23:44.760 --> 00:23:55.030 Linda Marsanico: What an amazing story I'm interested in, how you
00:23:55.240 --> 00:24:02.849 Linda Marsanico: perceive how you are affected by your clairvoyance. We're all I realize that we're all.
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.180 Linda Marsanico: and we're wired in the same way.
00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:12.729 Linda Marsanico: But each of us I have a clairsentience. I I sense and feel things, but I'd like to hear a little bit about your
00:24:13.090 --> 00:24:14.130 Linda Marsanico: a gift.
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:20.500 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah, well, I like that. You call it a gift, you know. It certainly is something that we all have.
00:24:20.590 --> 00:24:24.190 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Some people sharpen that gift and embody it.
00:24:24.390 --> 00:24:30.149 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You know, after my near-death experience, my consciousness was greatly altered.
00:24:30.832 --> 00:24:41.650 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You see what really I learned was contrary to material reductionism, which will state that once the body and the brain goes, so do you.
00:24:41.870 --> 00:24:45.830 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Ndes put that in a conundrum
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:55.230 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: or a sense that brainwave activity in physical activity is nil to at a very low, measurable level.
00:24:55.300 --> 00:25:01.980 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so, as a result, consciousness should be the same. If the body and the brain
00:25:02.050 --> 00:25:05.650 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: have a direct correlation with the mind.
00:25:05.710 --> 00:25:11.169 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and what I experienced in my nde is that there is a mind that goes beyond the brain.
00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:14.279 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: In other words, the brain is not a producer
00:25:14.290 --> 00:25:19.039 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: of the mind, but rather just a filter between the 2 worlds.
00:25:19.040 --> 00:25:19.420 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:25:19.420 --> 00:25:29.899 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so, after having this experience, I just remembered that my brain was a lot more open, and I was able to really connect to the spirit realm
00:25:29.970 --> 00:25:33.840 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: a lot easier. The brain was not a barrier, it was an ally.
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:45.659 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so, as a young kid, and throughout my childhood I would feel this sliver of light going into my brain and easily able to access the other side. The angels. All those things I had in my nde
00:25:45.670 --> 00:25:50.759 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: there came a point in time where I knew that I wasn't meant to go that far, and I was meant to
00:25:50.770 --> 00:25:52.509 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: be in this reality
00:25:52.610 --> 00:25:59.620 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: many near-death experiencers they want. They feel more comfortable over there once they come back than over here.
00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:02.929 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and there's a sense of homesickness, but a rather
00:26:03.010 --> 00:26:17.889 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: a drive to be over there rather than over here, and the spirit realm wants us to be over here while connected to over there to be balanced, in other words, but I had a lot of intuitive experiences, interdimensional communication
00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:29.750 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: premonitions that would to this day are still coming true. From my childhood, you know, in young adulthood. But there came a point in time where I was in preschool, and I was seeing all these beings around the classroom.
00:26:29.870 --> 00:26:41.099 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and I turned to a classmate, and I just said, Do you see what's unfolding? Do you see what's happening? The classmate just had the most bewildered look on their face, and I knew right then and there.
00:26:41.570 --> 00:26:43.869 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: That wow! You know, I'm really
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:50.829 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: different in this world that was once very comfortable to me at a certain point in time that I was getting used to
00:26:51.030 --> 00:27:07.170 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: feels like an incredibly foreign place, and it felt that way for quite some time until I was really able to get public and share this experience, and not to hold on to it, but rather simply letting go of it for other people.
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.930 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But to answer your question. Clairvoyance was always a part of my life.
00:27:12.050 --> 00:27:15.479 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: but it was more of a nuisance as a kid than anything else.
00:27:15.500 --> 00:27:30.680 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I wouldn't walk around calling it psychic or intuitive, although psychic carries a lot of pathology to most psychics, anyway, with the media depiction of it. But it was a nuisance where I would see things, hear things know things, and they would happen.
00:27:30.780 --> 00:27:41.940 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And I would just say, Can I just live without knowing all these things? You know it was more of a nuisance than anything else. But there came a certain point in time where I was able to really understand that as a gift, as you said.
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:43.380 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: rather than a curse.
00:27:44.650 --> 00:27:49.209 Linda Marsanico: I would imagine you would have to be very grounded because you want to be here.
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:53.280 Linda Marsanico: because when you're grounded you can be
00:27:53.300 --> 00:28:06.869 Linda Marsanico: more involved in doing the work that you chose to do when you were given the choice. Yeah, you want to stay, do you? Are you in, or are you out. Do you want to go to the 3rd Dimension? So being grounded is
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:08.550 Linda Marsanico: a centering point.
00:28:09.220 --> 00:28:14.330 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Absolutely, and so many of us came in here for the sensual pleasures of the earth.
00:28:14.340 --> 00:28:34.640 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: the fragrances, the sounds, the smells, and yes, you do have that on the other side. But it's, you know, it's a different vibe, the physical experience. And so we're here to really fully maximize that experience, you know, to be connected with our, you know, obviously upper chakras aligned to the higher realms, but also feet on the ground.
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:45.670 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: When it's our time we'll be there. But I've really come to learn that much of our heaven is a lot in terms of how we live here, and the lives that we impact
00:28:45.700 --> 00:28:53.189 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and the enthusiasm that we have. And I use the word enthusiasm, because that comes from the word entheos, which means the inner god.
00:28:53.260 --> 00:29:02.010 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And when we're enthusiastic. We're connecting to our inner divinity. And so finding those things that you love, they're not trivial. They're divine.
00:29:03.570 --> 00:29:07.680 Linda Marsanico: That's a beautiful explanation, Jacob.
00:29:08.350 --> 00:29:18.339 Linda Marsanico: Of course I'm very interested, and we're getting ready for break. But I'm very interested in. When you talked about your brain cracking in half.
00:29:18.940 --> 00:29:19.380 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah.
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:25.619 Linda Marsanico: Perhaps you could say a little bit, and then we'll have the break. But do just introduce us to it
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:27.279 Linda Marsanico: if you would.
00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:35.929 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah, you know, it just feels it felt like I was plugged in the wall this whole time. And all of a sudden that plug was just yanked from that wall.
00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:42.610 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and I just felt this incredibly loud sound, and just as if my whole brain like felt like it, just snapped in half.
00:29:43.060 --> 00:29:50.700 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: It is funny if you're familiar with James von Praagh. He's, you know, well-known, intuitive, and I just had one of his co-hosts
00:29:50.770 --> 00:30:07.509 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: on, you know, a conversation with one of his co-hosts, and she had a book also that was called Cracked Open, and she had a similar nde as well, and so that was the 1st time I've ever heard anyone in my life that also had this similar experience
00:30:07.700 --> 00:30:23.259 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: which allowed more universality and less isolation with this phenomenon. But all it is simply is getting out of our own way and really understanding the brain and what it's there for. And certainly we can really highlight the brain as brain health
00:30:23.300 --> 00:30:27.109 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: to me is mental health and spiritual health. In many ways.
00:30:28.100 --> 00:30:34.980 Linda Marsanico: So we're going to take a break. But when we come back I will have a question or 2 about the brain cracking in half.
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:35.540 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah.
00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:38.079 Linda Marsanico: Off to having a break. Now.
00:32:45.700 --> 00:32:51.969 Linda Marsanico: Hello, everyone! Welcome back to the A. Train to Sedona with my guest, Jacob Cooper.
00:32:52.250 --> 00:33:00.970 Linda Marsanico: Jacob! I'm wondering if there was any imaging done on your brain to see any changes anatomically
00:33:01.180 --> 00:33:02.510 Linda Marsanico: after your nde.
00:33:02.510 --> 00:33:07.779 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: No, but I but I really wish that I had, and I say that because
00:33:08.490 --> 00:33:17.039 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I like to tangibleize all these things, and you know the more evidential data that you're able to have to really show.
00:33:17.150 --> 00:33:22.229 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You know, the impact of these things, the more credibility you know it is, you know to me.
00:33:22.360 --> 00:33:29.209 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I view all these things similar to a courtroom where you're presenting a case
00:33:29.270 --> 00:33:35.660 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and you're trying to. You're not trying to. But the case is really decided if it's evidential.
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:42.114 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: you know, in something of another realm, or maybe other. And so that's
00:33:42.840 --> 00:33:49.410 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Something in particular that Ndes are able to do. But again, the more pieces of evidence that you're able to portray.
00:33:49.590 --> 00:33:55.190 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: the more hard proof they're able to provide in supporting the case of eternity.
00:33:57.770 --> 00:34:04.490 Linda Marsanico: Are you in touch with a lot of other people who have experienced ndes like kind of a support group?
00:34:05.100 --> 00:34:15.120 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I have in the past. Yeah, you know, I what really changed my life was 1st of all, knowing
00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:19.230 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that this was a thing I didn't even know what this was called.
00:34:19.300 --> 00:34:48.039 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I was gifted a book, you know, in my later teens, early twenties by an author that you may be familiar with by the name of Betty Ady, who wrote the book embraced by the light. She was a guest on the Oprah Winfrey show, and was one of the 1st major high, prolific end. Years to come out in modern time, but obviously endeas have been going on for thousands of years, and roots within Plato and Biblical verses. And so this isn't
00:34:48.050 --> 00:35:01.960 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: anything new. But now there's more of a safety for safetyness for people to come forward within their experience. But that's something that changed my life because I was like, Wow, you know you name it, you could tame it. And this had a name.
00:35:01.970 --> 00:35:14.270 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Other people had it, and that led me to understanding of different groups, such as one of the groups is called the International Association of Near-death Studies, otherwise known as Ians.
00:35:14.330 --> 00:35:29.589 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: which was, you know, funded by founded by Dr. Raymond Moody in many ways, and Dr. Moody is a good friend of mine, and he coined the term near death experience in his bestselling book, Life after Life in 1975.
00:35:29.620 --> 00:35:31.029 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But Raymond
00:35:31.390 --> 00:35:43.060 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: was, you know, clinical psychologist as well as had a doctor in philosophy, and he had a couple of students who had this phenomenon. You know that kind of came to him, and he just started to take
00:35:43.070 --> 00:35:50.559 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: notes and study these things, and you really divide a set criteria and baseline for near-death experiences.
00:35:53.030 --> 00:35:57.170 Linda Marsanico: So on. Another topic happens when we die.
00:36:00.810 --> 00:36:02.030 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: It's easy.
00:36:02.170 --> 00:36:07.729 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: It's it's living that could be very hard. And I've learned that as a near-death experience.
00:36:07.900 --> 00:36:09.560 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I think we all
00:36:09.580 --> 00:36:17.030 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: die, but not technically. But we all don't live while we live, and there's a lot of people who are alive, who.
00:36:17.430 --> 00:36:21.740 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: you know you could live 95 years and not live a day really?
00:36:22.279 --> 00:36:26.579 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: So really, it's about maximizing this reality. Because I think
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:38.459 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: from my conclusive data and personal experience, that this life is not trivial in regards to its relationship towards what we experience in the hereafter.
00:36:38.540 --> 00:36:43.729 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: The relationships we build, the lives we impact and the things that we love
00:36:43.830 --> 00:36:58.079 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: are all a part of what continues on the other side, as well as healing from traumatic experiences difficult moments, because it does take a very courageous and brave soul to come here.
00:36:58.140 --> 00:37:02.959 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: but also the amount of growth that happens that comes from being on the earth. For the soul
00:37:03.100 --> 00:37:20.180 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: is incredible, particularly in these moments when we're faced with so many challenges. But every era of history has its own question, and as a society we do our best to provide the best answer towards that problem or towards that question.
00:37:20.190 --> 00:37:26.550 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so we're trying to do it. Now. Obviously, you know, at this juncture, with all the tools and innovations that we have.
00:37:26.590 --> 00:37:34.090 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Hopefully, the technological innovations don't exceed the spiritual evolution, because that always leads to demise. But
00:37:34.160 --> 00:37:36.630 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: when we die is my
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:46.069 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: firsthand experience that it is the most euphoric, beautiful experience that you can really have. You're free. You're unencumbered.
00:37:46.110 --> 00:37:58.280 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You're not attached to, you know the emotional turmoil and pain, the physical pain. Mental health conditions dissipate, any type of debilitative condition goes away.
00:37:58.930 --> 00:38:03.989 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and this has been proven by people who've had near death experiences. And I'll illustrate that
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:09.680 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: in just a moment people who have been auditorily
00:38:10.040 --> 00:38:13.609 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: impaired and never been able to see anything physically.
00:38:14.078 --> 00:38:26.189 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You know they I'm sorry, hear anything or hear auditory is hearing. Visual is seeing my apologies. Have these near death experiences. And all of a sudden, for the 1st time.
00:38:26.230 --> 00:38:31.739 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: they could describe hearing a hearing, a sound, or seeing colors for the 1st time.
00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:46.580 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: which really allows me to understand that the pain that we carry through is similar limitations. While we may be here. Do not continue when we're over there. That does not mean, you know, that we have to evade these things.
00:38:46.620 --> 00:38:57.740 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Everything is there for a reason this life is not random. I certainly learned that in my nde that there's a higher intelligence beyond everything that we go through on a soul level.
00:38:57.860 --> 00:39:04.260 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and the assignment is laid out in front of us, and something that we're all capable of moving through.
00:39:04.789 --> 00:39:09.720 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But you know it's a heaven is a beautiful place, but it also
00:39:09.730 --> 00:39:16.340 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: has a subjectivity in its nature where one person's heaven may look a lot different than another's, based on
00:39:16.540 --> 00:39:23.790 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: their own bliss. Everyone has their own bliss, you know, for instance, my grandfather, and every reading comes through fishing in my backyard.
00:39:23.830 --> 00:39:34.859 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: He loved fishing. I can't stand it. He loved it. But that's his heaven, that's what he's doing. He lived that way here. He continues to do that over there. So again.
00:39:34.920 --> 00:40:03.999 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: it's not a retirement home, where you just stop, you know, doing the things that you love and you stop serving humanity. It's a very active place. You're not getting burnt out, or anything of that nature. But it's not, you know, going into Boca, Raton and Century village, and just kind of like kicking off over the sunset. No, the soul is here for a purpose, and continuing to grow, whether we're here or over there as well.
00:40:06.060 --> 00:40:12.449 Linda Marsanico: I'm of the belief that we've chosen to be here at this time as challenging as it is.
00:40:12.570 --> 00:40:16.590 Linda Marsanico: Many, many beings wanted to be here, and not everybody could be here.
00:40:16.610 --> 00:40:23.650 Linda Marsanico: But we're here because we could fulfill our purpose. So we have many, many different purposes that we're dealing with today.
00:40:23.660 --> 00:40:29.170 Linda Marsanico: And I'm an optimist, and I do feel that we're going to get through all of this
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.509 Linda Marsanico: to a place where heaven is on earth.
00:40:31.640 --> 00:40:32.260 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Now.
00:40:32.260 --> 00:40:35.619 Linda Marsanico: I also wanted to comment on Betty Eady's book, which.
00:40:35.720 --> 00:40:39.669 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: It's an amazing book for me. And remembering how she.
00:40:39.810 --> 00:40:49.630 Linda Marsanico: Through a mistake in a procedure in the hospital. Her soul left her body, and she saw where she was, and she didn't want to come back. She was on tantrums, and
00:40:50.090 --> 00:40:56.849 Linda Marsanico: finally creators said, Let Let us show you what your work is.
00:40:57.600 --> 00:40:58.780 Linda Marsanico: And they showed
00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:05.039 Linda Marsanico: the work, and she said, well, I'll I'll go back to to Earth, but only if you take me as soon as my work is done.
00:41:06.640 --> 00:41:18.459 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I guess she still has more work to do because she's still around. I see her, you know, on Linkedin and doing. She's still doing her thing and has, you know, some shows going. So yeah, Betty, Betty's wonderful, and she's still doing her thing.
00:41:18.560 --> 00:41:23.109 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: but also yes, entities come with a double-edged sword
00:41:23.200 --> 00:41:45.349 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: where it's very difficult to integrate it. A lot of times it does complicate interpersonal or romantic relationships. Prior belief systems are drastically altered. A lot of people who might be agnostic, atheistic, or traditionally religious, usually gravitate to a more spiritual orientation, and they
00:41:45.350 --> 00:42:00.709 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: like things of more sensitivity. They're more sensitive to sounds to smells, to colors. There's more of like a gentleness and a softness that they, you know, gravitate to in this life, you know. And I say I like the quote that
00:42:01.070 --> 00:42:30.980 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Raymond had a book that said, God is bigger. God is bigger than the Bible, but I but I also say, you know, the afterlife is also bigger than religion. You know it. It may might have an angle towards it, but spirituality doesn't exist because of religion, but many ways despite of it. You know you could find spirituality within religion. But it's our innate, eternal nature is spiritual, and religion is a path up to the mountain that seeks to understand spirituality. I believe.
00:42:33.700 --> 00:42:36.599 Linda Marsanico: I do want to understand more about your beliefs
00:42:36.860 --> 00:42:40.959 Linda Marsanico: and your work, and we'll get to all those topics.
00:42:41.820 --> 00:42:43.540 Linda Marsanico: You have authored.
00:42:43.550 --> 00:42:44.679 Linda Marsanico: 2 books.
00:42:45.510 --> 00:42:46.060 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah.
00:42:46.600 --> 00:42:50.679 Linda Marsanico: And life after breath was the 1st one.
00:42:50.840 --> 00:43:02.000 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yep like, and I could show them up here this is, let's see life after breath and the wisdom of Jacob's ladder. These are my 2 books, and hopefully more, coming down the pipeline.
00:43:02.290 --> 00:43:03.154 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Oh.
00:43:04.810 --> 00:43:08.439 Linda Marsanico: And you have a podcast Jacob's ladder. Every.
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:17.580 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: The wisdom. Jacob's ladder. It's bi-weekly every other week now. You know, just for scheduling purposes. But yeah, I
00:43:17.660 --> 00:43:18.960 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I love
00:43:19.310 --> 00:43:24.740 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: if someone asked me like, What do you love the most? I would say, I just love connecting with the community building community
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:31.559 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that's so important. You know, I think the biggest epidemic that people have since the pandemic
00:43:31.580 --> 00:43:37.669 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: has been the epidemic of loneliness and people feeling disenfranchised.
00:43:37.700 --> 00:43:42.409 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so technology is a double edged sword. And why not use it as a way
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:52.310 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: to form coalitions to form communities? It's so that's what I really, it's more of like my pro bono type thing, just to give back and create community and
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.070 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: support for seekers along their path.
00:43:55.930 --> 00:44:09.710 Linda Marsanico: So at the end of the broadcast. Will you talk about how they can reach you on that? This is also part of the show notes, but you can also talk about it toward the end of the break toward the end of the broadcast.
00:44:10.770 --> 00:44:13.789 Linda Marsanico: I do want to hear more about your beliefs.
00:44:15.680 --> 00:44:17.399 Linda Marsanico: What would you start us off at?
00:44:17.700 --> 00:44:24.080 Linda Marsanico: We have about a minute to go before break. Give us a little sample.
00:44:25.790 --> 00:44:31.440 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Well, I'll give an example. Randa Moody was once asked, do you believe in an afterlife?
00:44:31.510 --> 00:44:33.679 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And he said, I don't believe in one.
00:44:33.850 --> 00:44:50.230 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And then Vanity Fair took that as a hard stop and ran with it, and Eman doesn't believe in afterlife. What he was saying at the second point of the sentence was, I know there's an afterlife. I don't believe in it much like I don't believe in. There's a sun. There's clouds. I know it.
00:44:50.250 --> 00:44:59.280 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: so you know, I think, regards to understanding. There's many layers. I think it comes from a hope to a faith, to a belief, to a knowing.
00:44:59.390 --> 00:45:03.670 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and you know, knowing goes without a shadow of doubt. So to me
00:45:03.740 --> 00:45:15.110 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: there's inner knowings. But each day is a further understanding to even deepen those knowings that's not set in stone that they could always expand, not contract, but expand.
00:45:15.210 --> 00:45:25.870 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: So that's the way that I try to really improvise and to really deepen, because you're talking about the infinite a lot of people will say, I fully understand. You might know
00:45:25.990 --> 00:45:29.420 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: a piece that that you know of, but there's so much more
00:45:29.650 --> 00:45:39.669 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: to it, and it's impossible to fully understand, because infinity eternal. I do know that God is love, and God is eternal. God is infinite, so are we
00:45:39.860 --> 00:45:41.609 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that simple thing I do know.
00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:48.769 Linda Marsanico: Yes, those are very profound things. I know also that Deepak Chopra says we know very little about things.
00:45:49.100 --> 00:45:49.710 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah.
00:45:49.710 --> 00:45:53.159 Linda Marsanico: Yes, we, we do know some of the
00:45:53.290 --> 00:45:56.709 Linda Marsanico: important truths of what resonates in our heart.
00:45:56.870 --> 00:45:57.300 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah.
00:45:57.300 --> 00:46:04.680 Linda Marsanico: When I was coming on to spirituality, I thought whatever I take in needs to resonate in my heart, and then I take it in.
00:46:04.870 --> 00:46:05.880 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: That's it.
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:14.049 Linda Marsanico: With that it is time for a break, and we're going to come back and hear about Jacob's work, and perhaps more of his beliefs.
00:46:14.520 --> 00:46:16.039 Linda Marsanico: It's time to take the break.
00:48:22.640 --> 00:48:28.680 Linda Marsanico: Hi! Everyone! Welcome back to the A. Train to Sedona with my guest, Jacob Cooper.
00:48:29.430 --> 00:48:31.160 Linda Marsanico: Jacob! Why are we here?
00:48:33.510 --> 00:48:40.380 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: There's a subjectivity to that question, but also a universality to it.
00:48:40.520 --> 00:48:47.360 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I think in many ways it's been. My experience is, you know, someone
00:48:47.710 --> 00:49:01.129 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: who I was very close to. My grandfather had a tombstone and has a tombstone not had. He didn't come back and reincarnate him. But you know, has a tombstone, and on the tombstone it said he made the world a better place.
00:49:01.130 --> 00:49:01.780 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:49:01.780 --> 00:49:08.059 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And how do people do that, you know? And how do we measure?
00:49:08.100 --> 00:49:18.540 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You know that to some a better place means more buildings. Maybe you have more employments or stuff like that. But you know a better place. Isn't.
00:49:18.590 --> 00:49:21.030 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: You know always about the material.
00:49:21.110 --> 00:49:23.639 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: It's about the impact.
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:34.970 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: you know, not so much about what you said, but how you made people feel as Mayo Angelo says, said so. You know, really, we're here to create a ripple of love on our surroundings, and to elevate
00:49:35.100 --> 00:49:44.019 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: the world around us, and how we do that is just by being true to ourselves, by being true to ourselves. That's our unique contributing vibration.
00:49:44.080 --> 00:50:04.370 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and not to be someone else's version of ourselves. But by being true to ourselves, we're connecting to the unique ray of God that we all possess. And so, remembering ourselves and embodying that light, is really how we make this world a better place, and I think the purpose of life to be true to you. Remember who you really are.
00:50:05.040 --> 00:50:16.989 Linda Marsanico: I think it's quite a journey to understanding who we are, and I want to comment on making the world a better place. And what came up in my mind is a children's book called Miss Rumphius.
00:50:17.270 --> 00:50:20.519 Linda Marsanico: Montheus was an aunt of this
00:50:20.810 --> 00:50:24.639 Linda Marsanico: young girl, and she grew up talking about
00:50:24.680 --> 00:50:27.519 Linda Marsanico: humus. Rumphius would go around the world and meet
00:50:27.560 --> 00:50:32.080 Linda Marsanico: people of importance, and how she did things in her work!
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.039 Linda Marsanico: And then Miss Rumphius grew ill, and she planted
00:50:37.590 --> 00:50:41.430 Linda Marsanico: flowers, lupine flowers all over the meadow.
00:50:41.750 --> 00:50:42.250 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Hmm.
00:50:42.250 --> 00:50:45.630 Linda Marsanico: And all over the meadow you saw these beautiful flowers.
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:51.649 Linda Marsanico: and we're told that Miss Rumphius did that to make the world a better place.
00:50:52.660 --> 00:50:57.580 Linda Marsanico: and so something as simple as planting flowers. It could be
00:50:58.190 --> 00:51:05.960 Linda Marsanico: smiling at people. As you walk down the street I think of a smile as a burst of sunshine, a burst of love
00:51:06.220 --> 00:51:10.900 Linda Marsanico: that could make somebody's day, and I know that people have smiled at me, and it's just
00:51:11.080 --> 00:51:12.360 Linda Marsanico: helped me sew.
00:51:12.630 --> 00:51:13.200 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah.
00:51:13.200 --> 00:51:15.780 Linda Marsanico: Took it with me and and went with it.
00:51:16.630 --> 00:51:22.240 Linda Marsanico: so, making the world a better place with that ripple effect, we affect everyone.
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:30.419 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah, it's it's beautiful. And if more people were to remember and I love that story that you just illustrated, that
00:51:30.590 --> 00:51:34.599 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: God is not outside of us, and it is possible
00:51:34.710 --> 00:51:36.680 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that we got God all wrong.
00:51:36.820 --> 00:51:41.879 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: that God is a part of us connected to us. We are, you know, divine sparks.
00:51:42.250 --> 00:51:50.979 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Then, you know, so many people spend a lifetime trying to really intellectualize or understand God and others change the world through embodiment.
00:51:50.990 --> 00:51:55.709 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and by being in joy by being in love by being connected to that light.
00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:09.779 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: It's how I do things. It's how we make the world a better place. But you know so many people walk around with these identities such as I'm anxious I'm depressed. I'm not a good student. I don't make enough money. And all of these self-limiting belief. Systems
00:52:09.940 --> 00:52:28.079 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: really do the world an injustice because those may be a slice of our pie, but at our core you take an orange, you squeeze an orange out you get orange juice, you take ourselves. You really squeeze ourselves out. What's left is infinite divine light, and that spark that's always there beyond
00:52:28.130 --> 00:52:32.599 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: all the turmoil and and pain, and all those self-limiting belief systems.
00:52:33.390 --> 00:52:40.249 Linda Marsanico: It's really our choice and our ability to recognize how powerful we are.
00:52:40.410 --> 00:52:41.729 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah, yeah.
00:52:41.730 --> 00:52:43.240 Linda Marsanico: So much as possible.
00:52:44.420 --> 00:53:00.450 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah, it's like that, Marianne Williamson quote that says, our deepest fear is not that we're inadequate. It's that we are powerful beyond measurable, powerful beyond comprehension. So absolutely, you know, we can't be afraid of our own power, and that's why you asked me the purpose of life.
00:53:00.540 --> 00:53:04.990 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: remembering who you are. That, you know, is really important.
00:53:06.410 --> 00:53:10.779 Linda Marsanico: We have about 5 min before the end of the broadcast.
00:53:10.810 --> 00:53:13.729 Linda Marsanico: Would you tell us about your work?
00:53:15.150 --> 00:53:41.830 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah. Well, that that would. That might take more than 5 min. But you know you know what? What specifics about my work now. We'll keep confidentiality, obviously as clinicians. But I do work in the mental health field like yourself, I believe. I do see clients, you know private basis. As well as you know, I do work in a psychiatric hospital, setting as well.
00:53:41.960 --> 00:54:01.169 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: working very closely with adolescents and teenagers populations that I'm very passionate about. But my private practice. I work. You know I do mental health services. I do hypnotherapy past life, regression services, you know, reiki energy work. So you have a brain, you have a body. We try to find ways to really
00:54:01.300 --> 00:54:08.250 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: move the needle of your lives and really helping people feel a little bit brighter and lighter while working through. Obviously, what's there?
00:54:08.270 --> 00:54:17.070 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: And so, you know, I I just love to be present and to meet someone where they're at and to hopefully generate the hope and the faith past the pain.
00:54:17.090 --> 00:54:26.569 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: But yeah, I do a lot of public work as well. A lot of public presentations, you know, with, you know, in organizations that I work closely with such as
00:54:26.670 --> 00:54:33.309 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: a place called Helping Parents heal, which we just had a retreat in Phoenix that had, you know, over 1,200
00:54:33.740 --> 00:54:39.559 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: parents who'd lost children, which we call as shining lights parents because they
00:54:39.580 --> 00:55:08.509 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: are able to really, through engagement and helping parents recognize that their light is internally connected to their child's light. You know as well as I have presented with organizations such as forever family foundation which you may be familiar with. If you watch the Netflix docuseries surviving death, they were featured in it. So a lot of grief organizations I work closely with in terms of my presentations, and I'm going to be presenting at the Omega Institute coming up
00:55:08.580 --> 00:55:14.589 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: as well as Edgar Casey Center in Virginia Beach. So I do a lot of organizational and
00:55:14.610 --> 00:55:22.149 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: work on, you know, with some of the, you know, more reputable, you know, centers with more reach, and you know history to them.
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:30.840 Linda Marsanico: Omega Institute is very prestigious. I remember a top person in the organization told me we invite speakers.
00:55:31.060 --> 00:55:32.590 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Yeah, that's true. I did.
00:55:32.590 --> 00:55:34.130 Linda Marsanico: Of our speakers.
00:55:34.560 --> 00:55:42.470 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I would have told me you, said Jacob. 10 years ago. You're going to be speaking in the Mega Institute. I would said, take a hike. No way. I
00:55:42.520 --> 00:55:53.079 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: start off my collegiate career in remedial reading and writing courses. I wasn't even allowed in a community college to take credited reading and writing courses. And so I really do credit
00:55:53.100 --> 00:56:02.759 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: all the people around me who supported me on this journey. It's a team effort. And the team effort did the teamwork made the dream work. And so
00:56:02.790 --> 00:56:08.260 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: I'm just a dude. I'm just a reflection on a lot of the support that I've been able to have.
00:56:08.740 --> 00:56:11.880 Linda Marsanico: You've grown so much, and you have so much to offer.
00:56:12.060 --> 00:56:14.390 Linda Marsanico: How can people get in touch with you?
00:56:14.780 --> 00:56:37.190 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: The easiest way is Jacob lcooper.com. That's Jacob lcooper.com. And there you could find me on Instagram Facebook email. And also, you know, checking out my upcoming events and services as well as my Youtube channel, the wisdom, Jacob's ladder, you could subscribe, check that out and feel free to browse some of the prior conversations that we've had.
00:56:37.570 --> 00:56:42.239 Linda Marsanico: How long have you been conducting the wisdom of Jacob's ladder?
00:56:42.570 --> 00:56:53.660 Linda Marsanico: Not long, you know. It's been maybe a little bit over a year. I'm kind of. We're almost at 100 episodes, which is pretty cool. We've had guests like Neil, Donald Walsh Allison, Dubois.
00:56:53.680 --> 00:57:13.090 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: If you're familiar with Paul Selig, you know Suzanne Gieseman, you know, to name a few, and you know Eben Alexander as well. So it's cool when you turn on the video, and you're able to just kind of see the people that you grew up reading their books and libraries, and they just pop in front of you. But you know what most of these guests they just see themselves
00:57:13.260 --> 00:57:22.599 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: as just a servant of the divine. There's no ego, you know it's a lot different than how you see themselves in that, that how they see themselves in this industry. And that's a beautiful thing.
00:57:22.600 --> 00:57:24.850 Linda Marsanico: Well, we're all connected, and we're all the same.
00:57:24.850 --> 00:57:25.759 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: That's it. Yeah.
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:35.059 Linda Marsanico: And when I'm happier you're happier when you're happier, someone else is happier. We're all adding to the this wonderful vibration of love.
00:57:36.270 --> 00:57:38.879 Linda Marsanico: Any last words for our listeners.
00:57:40.190 --> 00:57:45.590 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Last words is by is to really learn how to get out of your own way.
00:57:45.620 --> 00:57:56.490 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: the quieter becoming more. You can hear, and you are enough, just as you are, and you are perfect, just as you are here to express a divine perfection. Just remember who you are.
00:57:56.570 --> 00:57:59.500 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: and remember the direction that you're facing in life.
00:57:59.520 --> 00:58:07.939 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: If we're facing on the outside too much, we're going to have and feel a lot. If we turn within, we'll find a lot more clarity to navigate our lives.
00:58:08.490 --> 00:58:10.080 Linda Marsanico: Beautiful. Thank you
00:58:10.380 --> 00:58:18.399 Linda Marsanico: and listeners. I want you to know that next week my guest is Gigi Arnaud, a former dentist, who is now a life coach.
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:25.040 Linda Marsanico: Join us next week, Jacob. Thank you again for being my guest. It's been joyful.
00:58:25.240 --> 00:58:28.540 Jacob Cooper, LCSW: Thank you, Linda. Thank you for listeners for tuning in and honor.
00:58:30.720 --> 00:58:32.170 Linda Marsanico: We're at the end of the show.
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