David McLeod will share his wisdom about having a fulfilling life. He has had many experiences that lead him to coach others and to be a transformational speaker.
David has been a fighter pilot, software engineer, mentor, aerobics instructor, poet, janitor,
lifeguard, musician, graphics designer. student, teacher, photographer.
He is a father, ordained minister, radio host and yogi.
He is the founder of Live Mastery TV.
He will pose his provocative question: What are only two things you need to know to have a fabulous life?
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Linda opens the show by introducing her guest David Mcleod. Linda then poses the question of the hour: What are only two things you need to know to have a fabulous life? We start with a deep dive in David's journey.
Segment 2 starts with continuing David’s journey through his pain and misery to find his truth. They then cover David's relationship with spirituality.
We enter segment 3 with a conversation about David's new book, Gifts of Wisdom. They also cover how important it is to find who you really are.
During segment 4 they talk about David's upcoming summer. They also talk about David's daily spiritual practice. They also stress the importance of finding your truth
00:00:54.030 --> 00:00:57.680 Linda Marsanico: Well, Hello, everyone! I'm Linda Mar Sanico.
00:00:57.790 --> 00:01:00.430 Linda Marsanico: Welcome to the A. Train to Sedona.
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00:02:14.020 --> 00:02:21.110 Linda Marsanico: Now I have 2 disclaimers. One is that this broadcast does not establish a professional relationship.
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00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.969 Linda Marsanico: My guest today is David Mcleod.
00:02:36.210 --> 00:02:38.489 Linda Marsanico: fighter, pilot, author.
00:02:38.610 --> 00:02:41.110 Linda Marsanico: software engineer, mentor.
00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:43.790 Linda Marsanico: aerobics, instructor, poet.
00:02:43.930 --> 00:02:56.420 Linda Marsanico: janitor, lifeguard, musician, radio host, graphics, designer, father, student, teacher, photographer, ordained Minister Yogi.
00:02:57.710 --> 00:03:08.790 Linda Marsanico: These roles and many others add up to a lot of life experience which David Mcleod brings to bear in his capacity as a transformational speaker.
00:03:09.330 --> 00:03:11.020 Linda Marsanico: Life, mastery, coach
00:03:11.140 --> 00:03:15.320 Linda Marsanico: experiential facilitator and writer, storyteller
00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:27.990 Linda Marsanico: as a certified master. Life coach with a phd in metaphysical sciences, sciences, and A. DD. In holistic personal coaching, David creates and shares
00:03:28.140 --> 00:03:35.989 Linda Marsanico: powerful life, mastery, tools that enable adult men and women to transcend triggers.
00:03:36.110 --> 00:03:44.779 Linda Marsanico: challenges and obstacles, so that they can express and experience the fullness of who they really are
00:03:44.940 --> 00:03:50.459 Linda Marsanico: and thereby manifest truly magnificent and fulfilling lives.
00:03:50.810 --> 00:03:54.490 Linda Marsanico: Now the topic of today's talk is
00:03:54.730 --> 00:03:59.219 Linda Marsanico: the only 2 things you need to know to have a fabulous life.
00:03:59.650 --> 00:04:04.360 Linda Marsanico: Welcome, David, and I want to say that's a very provocative statement.
00:04:05.630 --> 00:04:16.479 David McLeod: Yeah, thank you, Linda. I'm delighted to be here. You and I have shared space before on other programs. And I'm I'm just thrilled to have the opportunity to to speak with you and with your audience today.
00:04:18.209 --> 00:04:22.229 Linda Marsanico: Well, I'm glad to have you here, so I'm curious about the statement.
00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:24.599 Linda Marsanico: and I'm sure my listeners are, too.
00:04:24.859 --> 00:04:26.159 Linda Marsanico: Could you elaborate.
00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.080 David McLeod: I'm sorry. Go ahead.
00:04:28.080 --> 00:04:29.170 Linda Marsanico: Elaborate.
00:04:29.980 --> 00:04:33.900 David McLeod: The only 2 things you need to know in order to have a truly fabulous life.
00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:40.239 David McLeod: Yeah, that does sound like a lofty statement, doesn't it? And you know, I have to admit there's a little bit of
00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.870 David McLeod: marketingism in it, because, really
00:04:44.580 --> 00:04:52.959 David McLeod: when when you hear that statement, the 1st thing that comes to mind. Wait a minute. I gotta know more than that right. There's gotta be more to it than that.
00:04:53.210 --> 00:04:56.509 David McLeod: Well, I'm gonna tell you something I'm gonna give away the 1st
00:04:56.620 --> 00:04:58.140 David McLeod: secret right away.
00:04:58.770 --> 00:05:02.270 David McLeod: The 1st secret. The 1st thing you need to know
00:05:02.430 --> 00:05:06.320 David McLeod: is that there's only one thing you need to know.
00:05:06.430 --> 00:05:08.470 David McLeod: to have a truly fabulous life.
00:05:09.410 --> 00:05:13.459 David McLeod: So you see, it was kind of a trick of the mind in order to get you to pay attention.
00:05:13.490 --> 00:05:20.590 David McLeod: Now you're even more curious. You're saying, what? How can that possibly be? How can it be that I only there's only one thing I need to know.
00:05:21.080 --> 00:05:27.309 David McLeod: and you know that's been my whole life work actually to come to that understanding.
00:05:27.570 --> 00:05:32.350 David McLeod: And it's well I'm 70. I'll be 72 in March.
00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:40.499 David McLeod: So I've been around the block a few times. Maybe not as many as others, and maybe more than some some other people.
00:05:40.730 --> 00:05:49.020 David McLeod: But the fact of the matter is, I've had a lot of life experience as you identified in that little bio that I created for you. I've taken on many different life roles.
00:05:49.270 --> 00:05:56.969 David McLeod: and what I learned for myself is many of those roles that I took on in my in the early part of my life.
00:05:56.970 --> 00:05:57.440 Linda Marsanico: -
00:05:57.440 --> 00:06:01.549 David McLeod: Took on because I was supposed to.
00:06:01.840 --> 00:06:02.420 Linda Marsanico: Yeah.
00:06:02.420 --> 00:06:12.300 David McLeod: Society had kind of identified for me through various different techniques. The sorts of things that I was supposed to do in order to, you know, have a happy life.
00:06:12.700 --> 00:06:13.740 David McLeod: and
00:06:14.270 --> 00:06:18.040 David McLeod: I I abided by all those things. You know. I
00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:36.799 David McLeod: I went to school. I got good grades. I did all the appropriate things that I was supposed to do. I went to university. I got degrees. I got married, I had kids, I had a family. I got my mortgage. I had, you know, 2 and a half cars, you know. I did all the things that I was supposed to do.
00:06:37.180 --> 00:06:39.279 David McLeod: but for some reason
00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:41.660 David McLeod: the formula didn't work for me.
00:06:42.910 --> 00:06:48.799 David McLeod: The formula did not bring me happiness. The formula did not bring me fulfillment.
00:06:49.080 --> 00:06:57.140 David McLeod: As a matter of fact, what happened over the course of the 1st 40 years of my life was that I just got progressively more miserable
00:06:57.510 --> 00:07:00.189 David McLeod: and angry and unpleasant to be around.
00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:01.740 David McLeod: And
00:07:01.930 --> 00:07:09.709 David McLeod: this this I know this happens to a lot of people. And so what I needed to do was to try and figure out what went wrong.
00:07:10.330 --> 00:07:26.810 David McLeod: How how did I screw up? How did I mess up? How did I make the mistake of not abiding by the rules in the right order or in the right way, or that's the sort of stuff that was going on for me. I was broken. I was wrong, I was defective.
00:07:27.270 --> 00:07:33.799 David McLeod: and of course all that did was just add to my unhappiness and and unfulfillment. So
00:07:33.970 --> 00:07:37.780 David McLeod: this whole process led to another completely different
00:07:38.100 --> 00:07:39.610 David McLeod: journey
00:07:39.700 --> 00:07:42.450 David McLeod: that finally woke me up to the truth.
00:07:42.490 --> 00:07:46.550 David McLeod: But it took quite a while. It took me almost 20 years to figure this out.
00:07:46.890 --> 00:07:58.187 David McLeod: You know this is after going through all that pain and uncomfort or discomfort and all the rest of it, and so I've been probably talking too much right now. You probably want to get a word in here, so go ahead.
00:07:58.450 --> 00:08:12.580 Linda Marsanico: I wanted to ask you, was there a specific incident, a specific week, a month, a time when you realized how miserable you were and decided what you were going to do, or that you would move away from that.
00:08:13.250 --> 00:08:20.299 David McLeod: Yeah, actually, that's a really good question. And and yes, there was a a deciding moment for me.
00:08:20.500 --> 00:08:23.760 David McLeod: And it happened surprisingly
00:08:23.880 --> 00:08:29.279 David McLeod: about 3 weeks, maybe not quite. 3 weeks after my mom passed in 1992.
00:08:29.280 --> 00:08:29.860 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:08:29.860 --> 00:08:30.760 David McLeod: And
00:08:31.390 --> 00:08:36.509 David McLeod: you know I had been going through all my life denying my anger and
00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:43.330 David McLeod: basically in denial about it. And of course it had been a gradual build out over the course of that time, but I remember
00:08:44.410 --> 00:08:52.689 David McLeod: I don't remember the exact date when this happened. It was sometime in June of 1992, my my sister came over to my house. This was after my mom passed.
00:08:52.710 --> 00:08:54.639 David McLeod: She came into my kitchen
00:08:55.160 --> 00:09:09.659 David McLeod: in my house, and she basically stood there and said, What the hell is wrong with you? How come you haven't shown any sadness or tears or anything after months passing? And I literally, quite literally snapped in that moment.
00:09:10.090 --> 00:09:16.029 David McLeod: because the next thing that I remember is I had her up against the wall with my hand around her throat.
00:09:16.370 --> 00:09:22.909 David McLeod: and I was, you know I she was. She was off the floor. That's how how tense and angry I was.
00:09:23.110 --> 00:09:23.710 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:09:23.710 --> 00:09:26.100 David McLeod: And what was going through my mind was.
00:09:26.220 --> 00:09:34.130 David McLeod: don't you tell me how to grieve but what came out of my mouth when I I just looked right in her face, and I said, Don't you tell me how to be.
00:09:34.370 --> 00:09:35.190 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:41.099 David McLeod: And of course, immediately after that I hear this very quiet voice in my head, saying, Enough.
00:09:41.510 --> 00:09:42.560 David McLeod: that's enough.
00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:48.940 David McLeod: Time to let go, and I just put her down, and I started shaking my head. I said, I'm sorry I
00:09:49.290 --> 00:09:54.369 David McLeod: wow, I I and of course, at that point I was kind of mentally checked out.
00:09:55.010 --> 00:10:03.539 David McLeod: and I don't really remember too many of the details. I remember seeing her looking at me yelling at me, but I couldn't hear a thing. I was completely out of it.
00:10:03.900 --> 00:10:04.230 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:10:04.230 --> 00:10:08.030 David McLeod: And the next thing I know I'm walking around my neighborhood in my bare feet.
00:10:08.380 --> 00:10:12.050 David McLeod: just kind of playing through this scene in my mind saying, what the hell happened.
00:10:12.490 --> 00:10:13.140 Linda Marsanico: Yeah.
00:10:13.820 --> 00:10:25.160 David McLeod: And and also having this horrible remembrance as I'm walking around the neighborhood. Oh, my God! My my daughter, and my son and my niece all saw that.
00:10:25.700 --> 00:10:26.560 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:10:27.490 --> 00:10:35.439 David McLeod: Well, eventually I made it back to the house, and of course my sister and her daughter were gone, and so my my wife and all my kids were gone too.
00:10:35.880 --> 00:10:39.010 David McLeod: so I was left to kind of stew in my own juices.
00:10:39.740 --> 00:10:51.380 David McLeod: Now that was the moment that I knew something had to change, but I knew it at a very deep level. It wasn't still in my, in my conscious awareness I wasn't really aware of what was going on.
00:10:51.800 --> 00:10:57.850 David McLeod: But you know my body kind of was telling me, and you know all kinds of things were happening.
00:10:59.150 --> 00:11:00.180 David McLeod: I
00:11:01.280 --> 00:11:03.887 David McLeod: just wanted to watch the time here
00:11:04.270 --> 00:11:08.969 David McLeod: I so so over the course of the next 3 years.
00:11:08.980 --> 00:11:15.320 David McLeod: Now this is really the the crazy part. I was looking for support, trying to figure out how to deal with all this stuff.
00:11:15.930 --> 00:11:25.550 David McLeod: Meanwhile I was still going to university. I was getting my master's degree in computer science. And so I was focusing all my attention on studies.
00:11:25.630 --> 00:11:40.510 David McLeod: and, you know, doing everything I could do to do that, while at the same time trying to figure out this emotional stuff that I never had any training in, never had any any guidance in. And and so what happened was eventually.
00:11:40.710 --> 00:11:46.519 David McLeod: after failing to find any support in the location where I was living in Edmonton, Alberta, at the time.
00:11:46.660 --> 00:11:52.760 David McLeod: I finally decided, I gotta get out of here. This is that's the only thing I can do. That's the only thing I can think to do.
00:11:53.910 --> 00:11:58.459 David McLeod: And so that's what I did. I escaped. I ran away
00:11:58.700 --> 00:12:03.709 David McLeod: like a big chicken, you know. Can't face my fears. I had to get out of there.
00:12:03.880 --> 00:12:07.310 Linda Marsanico: Well, I want to say something, David. I think it takes courage to leave.
00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:12.680 Linda Marsanico: takes courage to go on a new path. You went in an opposite direction. Where did you go?
00:12:13.380 --> 00:12:14.410 David McLeod: Well.
00:12:14.560 --> 00:12:22.189 David McLeod: so I I just want people to understand the full picture here. I'm not trying to paint myself as some kind of a guru or anything like that
00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:41.500 David McLeod: for me. What I had to do was to leave everything, and that meant leaving my my wife, my family, my my kids, of course, and the whole surrounding, I said, That's it. I'm out of here. I'm not. I can't stay here anymore, because the energy here is too toxic for me. It's not working.
00:12:42.630 --> 00:12:51.789 David McLeod: So I ended up going to I found a job, and I went down to Silicon Valley and I started working as a software engineer down there.
00:12:52.260 --> 00:13:03.709 David McLeod: And of course, Silicon Valley is one of the hubs of personal growth material. So I ended up being in brought into contact with all kinds of people
00:13:03.890 --> 00:13:13.120 David McLeod: and events and circumstances that helped me to slowly start to unravel all of what what I had kind of built up over the previous 40 years
00:13:13.740 --> 00:13:15.510 David McLeod: now go ahead!
00:13:15.650 --> 00:13:16.740 Linda Marsanico: You, you
00:13:17.020 --> 00:13:18.730 Linda Marsanico: found an opening
00:13:18.750 --> 00:13:21.119 Linda Marsanico: so that you could discover who you are.
00:13:21.500 --> 00:13:22.310 David McLeod: Correct.
00:13:22.310 --> 00:13:26.350 Linda Marsanico: Now I just want to tell you that we have about a minute before we break.
00:13:26.350 --> 00:13:26.830 David McLeod: Right.
00:13:26.850 --> 00:13:32.779 Linda Marsanico: And I I think this is a fascinating story of a lot of
00:13:32.820 --> 00:13:48.090 Linda Marsanico: emotion being told what you were supposed to be and being miserable. And it's interesting how, when someone passes it can be a wake-up call, it's it's a moment. I wonder whether the deceased person is helping from the other side.
00:13:48.150 --> 00:13:56.630 Linda Marsanico: you know, but these these moments are very powerful, and, as I said before, I think you had a lot of courage. It's hard to leave a family
00:13:56.850 --> 00:13:58.110 Linda Marsanico: to leave. Oh, God!
00:13:58.110 --> 00:14:07.370 David McLeod: You have no idea, you know, because, as I said, when I got down to Northern California, new job, new environment, new friends.
00:14:07.430 --> 00:14:10.360 David McLeod: everything, and but the whole
00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:12.469 David McLeod: problem was, the pain
00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:13.739 David McLeod: came with me.
00:14:13.870 --> 00:14:16.290 David McLeod: That misery came with me.
00:14:16.290 --> 00:14:22.510 Linda Marsanico: That thought, okay? And we're going to get back and talk about pain and misery. Don't just don't leave us or abandon us
00:14:23.350 --> 00:14:26.510 Linda Marsanico: taking a break right now. See you in a bit.
00:16:49.330 --> 00:16:58.640 Linda Marsanico: Welcome back to the A. Train to Sedona with my guest, David Mcleod, who's talking about pain and misery about leaving his family.
00:17:00.500 --> 00:17:10.879 David McLeod: Yeah, not exactly a a great topic for people to jump into this. This is not what I signed up for. That's not what I came here for. But the truth is
00:17:10.910 --> 00:17:23.870 David McLeod: that that's what happened for me. You know I ended up going down to Silicon Valley in California, and like. I said that pain and misery came with me. So at 1 point I actually came close to.
00:17:23.950 --> 00:17:25.430 David McLeod: you know, pulling.
00:17:25.450 --> 00:17:27.420 David McLeod: pulling the PIN, so to speak.
00:17:27.500 --> 00:17:30.080 David McLeod: and but it was only the thought of
00:17:30.230 --> 00:17:48.510 David McLeod: of leaving my children fatherless that that really stayed my hand on that. And I said, No, I've got to do this work. I've got to do something. I've got to figure this out, and I think spirit honestly, was guiding me this whole time, although I didn't have a conscious awareness of that when that was happening.
00:17:48.965 --> 00:18:01.060 David McLeod: But, like I said, part of what happened is I slowly started to encounter people. You know, teachers, gurus, seminar leaders, workshop leaders, all kinds of people just started showing up in my life.
00:18:01.080 --> 00:18:05.349 David McLeod: And bit by bit I started unraveling all of my
00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:08.590 David McLeod: discombobulated belief systems.
00:18:08.690 --> 00:18:17.960 David McLeod: And I finally was able to get down to that nugget of truth that really is the most important piece of information that we all need to know
00:18:19.370 --> 00:18:26.999 David McLeod: But I think what I wanted to say is all of these things led to another. You know you you asked about inception points.
00:18:27.040 --> 00:18:31.199 David McLeod: or you know, when things really really took a change.
00:18:31.390 --> 00:18:40.699 David McLeod: and I can remember a weekend in May of 2,003 when I did a new warrior training adventure, and I had the opportunity to, you know, get on
00:18:41.520 --> 00:18:44.620 David McLeod: their sacred carpet and do my own work.
00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:47.620 David McLeod: and after releasing
00:18:47.670 --> 00:18:49.380 David McLeod: what I thought was just
00:18:50.320 --> 00:18:55.209 David McLeod: an infinite amount of of anger that just really came out of me.
00:18:55.830 --> 00:18:59.109 David McLeod: What came behind. That was a huge amount of grief.
00:18:59.540 --> 00:19:00.390 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:19:00.390 --> 00:19:02.900 David McLeod: And after that passed
00:19:03.750 --> 00:19:08.430 David McLeod: I I suddenly had this sense of of complete opening.
00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:16.150 David McLeod: I don't really know how to describe it. I have tried to write this in chapters that I've I've contributed to different books.
00:19:16.600 --> 00:19:27.740 David McLeod: It's difficult for me to describe, but ultimately what what happened was when I finished all that work by which, by the way, you'd think it would take a long time. But I think I was done in about 25 min.
00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:32.250 David McLeod: That's how long it took me to really unload all that stuff.
00:19:32.570 --> 00:19:37.049 David McLeod: But when I finally stood up after that I had this incredible, beautiful
00:19:37.460 --> 00:19:38.840 David McLeod: feeling of
00:19:39.660 --> 00:19:46.019 David McLeod: I it was just like really, really warm love just coming in and filling up my heart space.
00:19:46.490 --> 00:19:51.809 David McLeod: And I remember seeing the color. It was a combination of blue and gold mixed together.
00:19:52.190 --> 00:19:59.180 David McLeod: and at the same time all the people who were on the carpet. They were standing around me in a big circle. All these men.
00:19:59.800 --> 00:20:04.829 David McLeod: their faces kind of faded away, and all I could see was this beautiful gold and
00:20:04.970 --> 00:20:09.399 David McLeod: and and blue energy kind of going back and forth between us.
00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:14.720 David McLeod: and it was just the most awesome feeling of love I've ever had in my life.
00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:24.590 David McLeod: and I it that that was my first.st So far my only real deep visceral experience of the understanding that we are all one.
00:20:25.100 --> 00:20:35.729 David McLeod: you know it was. It was so powerful. I can't really tell you how powerful it was, and I knew in that moment I said, This is what I have to be doing. I have to be telling people about this.
00:20:36.190 --> 00:20:39.269 David McLeod: This is what I'm supposed to be doing from now on.
00:20:39.450 --> 00:20:41.129 Linda Marsanico: Is that part of the truth.
00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:45.182 David McLeod: I'm sorry. What do you mean about my my big secret?
00:20:45.500 --> 00:20:55.179 Linda Marsanico: Yes, part of the one thing you need to do, it's truth is opening this. We're all connected like this supreme feeling of love and the energy that you were seeing.
00:20:55.180 --> 00:20:55.800 David McLeod: Correct.
00:20:55.980 --> 00:20:56.929 Linda Marsanico: The one. Yes.
00:20:57.430 --> 00:20:59.550 David McLeod: What what I think, the
00:21:00.870 --> 00:21:23.249 David McLeod: what I have come to learn as a result of that, because when I stood up I made I made a number of different promises, but one of them was, I'm never going to hide myself again ever in order to please somebody else. I'm not going to put my desires and and stuff on the back burner, just so someone else can have what they want.
00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:33.149 David McLeod: That's not to say that I'm going to become selfish. I'm going to become narcissistic. It just means that I'm not sacrificing myself for other people anymore.
00:21:33.800 --> 00:21:36.830 David McLeod: That that is, that's a that doesn't work.
00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:45.390 David McLeod: You know, we have been told by all our religions and teachers and everything that we have to. We have to put other people ahead of us.
00:21:46.090 --> 00:21:50.820 David McLeod: Well, I understand the basic principle behind that. But it is. It's false.
00:21:51.650 --> 00:21:56.199 David McLeod: Even Jesus said, love your neighbor as yourself.
00:21:57.340 --> 00:22:01.109 David McLeod: Which means you gotta love yourself 1st before you love your neighbor.
00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:10.760 Linda Marsanico: Yes, we need to put ourselves 1st same principle as being on a plane. If it's gonna the pressure changes, you need to put your mask on first, st so that.
00:22:10.760 --> 00:22:11.210 David McLeod: Correct.
00:22:11.210 --> 00:22:12.359 Linda Marsanico: The child.
00:22:12.913 --> 00:22:14.019 David McLeod: Right? Yeah.
00:22:14.210 --> 00:22:23.669 David McLeod: So I guess what I what I want to say is I I came to an understanding that I had spent the 1st 40, 40, almost 50 years of my life.
00:22:24.150 --> 00:22:26.869 David McLeod: denying the truth of who I am.
00:22:27.490 --> 00:22:34.929 David McLeod: in order to live up to the expectations that I imagined society and everybody else was putting upon me
00:22:36.230 --> 00:22:43.029 David McLeod: alright. And so I came to the understanding that I have to know who I am, for you know not
00:22:43.320 --> 00:22:50.149 David McLeod: the roles that I play not the name that I have, but the real essence, the truth of who I am.
00:22:50.960 --> 00:23:02.409 David McLeod: and that is really the ultimate secret right there, because once you get to that place, once, you understand, when you peel away all the layers of
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:10.979 David McLeod: story and roles, and and all the feelings that you have all of those things. You are not any of those things.
00:23:11.150 --> 00:23:16.050 David McLeod: You experience those things. You have those things in your life.
00:23:16.080 --> 00:23:27.150 David McLeod: but you are not those things. I'm not even my body, you know. My body is simply a vessel that that I use that allows me to move around in this three-dimensional world that we live in.
00:23:27.540 --> 00:23:29.340 Linda Marsanico: You're an eternal spirit.
00:23:29.340 --> 00:23:39.880 David McLeod: Exactly right, and that is something that I had to come come to understand for myself by doing a great deal of deep introspection.
00:23:40.370 --> 00:23:41.120 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:23:41.450 --> 00:23:54.800 David McLeod: And that really once I got to that understanding that I am a divine, magnificent, unlimited, sovereign, spiritual being of light and love. And I just happen to be having this physical experience. Once I got to that understanding
00:23:55.530 --> 00:23:58.519 David McLeod: pretty much, everything else started to make sense for me.
00:23:58.650 --> 00:24:11.530 David McLeod: I now understood why I feel drawn to do certain things. Why, I feel drawn now to share this wisdom with people. Because I think it's vital. I think everybody needs to know it.
00:24:11.730 --> 00:24:12.740 David McLeod: and
00:24:13.280 --> 00:24:18.499 David McLeod: that's now my purpose. My purpose emanates out of my knowing of who I am.
00:24:18.770 --> 00:24:19.799 David McLeod: You know.
00:24:19.800 --> 00:24:20.260 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:24:20.260 --> 00:24:27.479 David McLeod: Prior to this, in my earlier life. I just I just tried things, I said, well, you know that looks like fun. I'll try that, and see how that goes.
00:24:27.830 --> 00:24:29.119 Linda Marsanico: You tried a lot of things.
00:24:30.207 --> 00:24:32.382 David McLeod: Yeah, that's.
00:24:33.470 --> 00:24:42.629 Linda Marsanico: So let me ask you, David, were there any favorite things that you tried from that list of situations that you were involved in.
00:24:43.470 --> 00:24:52.739 David McLeod: Well, I think it's fair to say one of my favorite things is music. I still do a lot of music composition. I love music
00:24:52.770 --> 00:24:58.469 David McLeod: absolutely love it. It's a way for me to express my essence.
00:24:58.920 --> 00:24:59.890 David McLeod: Through sound.
00:25:00.020 --> 00:25:11.159 David McLeod: And it's a highly creative process for me. I love it. I create music all the time. I've got lots of albums. In fact, you know this book that I just recently published.
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.629 David McLeod: called Gifts of Wisdom, Practices for Healing and Empowerment.
00:25:14.770 --> 00:25:18.249 David McLeod: I was so inspired by the authors of this book?
00:25:18.570 --> 00:25:25.820 David McLeod: Who? Who? Who? Who shared their stories in here with me, that I I decided to put together an album of music.
00:25:26.010 --> 00:25:26.830 Linda Marsanico: Oh, how.
00:25:26.830 --> 00:25:30.989 David McLeod: So. So there's an album with the same title called Gifts of Wisdom.
00:25:31.300 --> 00:25:37.029 David McLeod: But anyway you asked if there's anything my favorite, the other thing that I absolutely love was flying.
00:25:37.120 --> 00:25:45.809 David McLeod: I was a fighter pilot for 10 years in the Canadian military and flying airplanes was just an absolute joy. I love it.
00:25:46.890 --> 00:25:56.590 David McLeod: The problem is, I I really wasn't a very good fit for the military, you know the military, and I didn't get along too well, but flying. And me, yeah, we get along great.
00:25:56.780 --> 00:25:59.590 Linda Marsanico: Have you flown since leaving the military.
00:25:59.590 --> 00:26:28.230 David McLeod: Yeah, I I've flown a few times. Recently I had the desire to, you know. Get my my license and start doing it again, but I found it. It's just way too expensive, and honestly, it takes up too much of my time. It it draws me away from doing what I think is really important. So I I just hold that out as as a memory now. And I I just, you know, tap into it that way. I can still do music, and I can still do all these other things that I do. And that's
00:26:28.340 --> 00:26:30.250 David McLeod: that's what's important to me now.
00:26:31.040 --> 00:26:32.549 Linda Marsanico: So can you tell me
00:26:32.900 --> 00:26:35.920 Linda Marsanico: the about the role of spirituality in your life?
00:26:37.300 --> 00:26:38.080 David McLeod: Wow!
00:26:40.100 --> 00:26:47.209 David McLeod: Well, you know, it's interesting. When I when I was young, I was brought up in a an Anglican church environment.
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:51.925 David McLeod: So I was very, very familiar with Christian teachings, and
00:26:52.820 --> 00:26:54.740 David McLeod: That was my upbringing.
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:56.170 David McLeod: However.
00:26:56.840 --> 00:27:04.569 David McLeod: you know, as as a part of this process of trying to figure out who I really am. I noticed that religion really wasn't helping me.
00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:07.460 David McLeod: Religion didn't help.
00:27:08.080 --> 00:27:12.533 David McLeod: and it wasn't until 1999, after I had left my family and I.
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:13.810 David McLeod: I
00:27:14.020 --> 00:27:27.569 David McLeod: been introduced to the books by Neil Donald Walsh. You know conversations with God, that I suddenly had a new sense of of spirituality. I would say, those books. Actually.
00:27:29.230 --> 00:27:33.979 David McLeod: they were instrumental in helping me to get back onto my path, my spiritual path.
00:27:34.090 --> 00:27:39.319 David McLeod: But I don't think of myself as a religious person anymore. I'm absolutely 100%
00:27:39.330 --> 00:27:48.510 David McLeod: totally spiritual. I believe in this concept of oneness. I believe that we are all one. I believe there is a supreme consciousness throughout the universe that's guiding everything.
00:27:48.550 --> 00:27:52.309 David McLeod: And yeah, so that is my my truth nowadays.
00:27:54.690 --> 00:28:04.669 Linda Marsanico: We have about 2 min to break, and I wanted to say that Neil Donald Walsh's books were transformational for me. I've read almost all of them.
00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:05.780 Linda Marsanico: and
00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:15.769 Linda Marsanico: I would just have to stop after reading something mind-blowing. Let me take this in. Let me take this in. They were.
00:28:15.890 --> 00:28:22.369 Linda Marsanico: as I said, transformational life changing. And in my book I give
00:28:23.410 --> 00:28:31.589 Linda Marsanico: credence to that. I mentioned the authors who were inspirational for me, and he's the major ones. So.
00:28:31.590 --> 00:28:41.809 David McLeod: I love your book, too. By the way, you know, I have read it. And I yeah, it's a. It's a great little book. So I encourage people to go pick up a copy man. It's awesome.
00:28:41.930 --> 00:28:47.509 Linda Marsanico: Thank you so much, and when we get back I would like to talk about gifts of wisdom.
00:28:47.710 --> 00:28:49.140 David McLeod: Okay. Yeah.
00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:50.950 Linda Marsanico: Take it away on break.
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:55.159 Linda Marsanico: We'll be back to talk about gifts of wisdom just hot off the press.
00:31:07.410 --> 00:31:15.269 Linda Marsanico: Hello! Welcome back to the A. Train to Sedona with my guest, David Mcleod. David, would you tell us about your new book?
00:31:16.650 --> 00:31:18.910 David McLeod: Well, thank you, Linda. I
00:31:19.840 --> 00:31:22.310 David McLeod: so when I hit my 70th birthday.
00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:24.531 David McLeod: that was a while back
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.380 David McLeod: now, anyway, I had this
00:31:27.470 --> 00:31:36.220 David McLeod: realization that I was. I was thinking about this notion of eldership and what it means to be an elder in our community, and I was kind of
00:31:36.650 --> 00:31:40.090 David McLeod: disappointed as I looked around. And I realized.
00:31:40.410 --> 00:31:46.870 David McLeod: you know, in our culture, in a lot of Western cultures, we don't really value our elders all that much.
00:31:47.130 --> 00:32:00.450 David McLeod: And yet there's so much wisdom in people who are, you know, in to to coin a phrase in advanced years, even though really the numbers are pretty small, you know, like 65. That's not really old, is it?
00:32:00.610 --> 00:32:08.209 David McLeod: But anyway, I was thinking about this, and I thought, you know, maybe maybe I can do something to raise awareness about elder wisdom.
00:32:08.390 --> 00:32:17.300 David McLeod: Maybe I can do something to help people think more about their elders in a positive way. And so I had this idea of writing a book called Elder Wisdom.
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:24.760 David McLeod: And so, initially, I started reaching out to people that I knew who were in my age range, asking them if they wanted to be a part of this.
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:34.409 David McLeod: Well, as as time progressed, I mean the the word spread, and some other people who weren't elders in the real sense of the word.
00:32:34.460 --> 00:32:42.509 David McLeod: but we're feeling a connection to their inner sage, their inner guides, whatever they asked if they might be considered as part of this book.
00:32:43.410 --> 00:32:46.150 David McLeod: So I said, Pardon me.
00:32:46.340 --> 00:32:48.380 David McLeod: pardon me, so I said.
00:32:48.580 --> 00:32:53.760 David McLeod: of course I mean there's no reason why young people can't be wise, can't be sharing their wisdom.
00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:59.909 David McLeod: So I you know I shifted gears a little bit, and I came up with a new title. We're calling it Gifts of wisdom
00:33:00.090 --> 00:33:00.905 David McLeod: and
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:03.880 David McLeod: And so there are
00:33:04.010 --> 00:33:05.290 David McLeod: in this book
00:33:05.580 --> 00:33:08.679 David McLeod: 22 chapters, including one from myself.
00:33:09.750 --> 00:33:19.319 David McLeod: that cover all kinds of amazing stories about life, and some of the challenges that we've gone through. You've already heard a little bit about my story today.
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:30.489 David McLeod: and the other authors have shared like really, really vulnerable deep stories about their lives which helped to explain how they got where they are today. And
00:33:30.850 --> 00:33:38.300 David McLeod: in addition to the story, they also provide a practice, a practice that you can use to help improve your life.
00:33:39.150 --> 00:33:47.830 David McLeod: So that's the idea. It's a. It's a collection of stories with a with a corresponding practice, and each author shares that
00:33:47.930 --> 00:33:51.209 David McLeod: now. We published this officially on October the 8, th
00:33:52.080 --> 00:33:57.270 David McLeod: and we achieved international number one bestselling status within about.
00:33:57.870 --> 00:34:00.000 David McLeod: I don't know. The 1st week.
00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:01.640 Linda Marsanico: Bravo!
00:34:02.140 --> 00:34:05.400 David McLeod: Yeah. Well, so I'm honored to have.
00:34:05.520 --> 00:34:07.120 David McLeod: This is my second
00:34:07.190 --> 00:34:10.509 David McLeod: international bestselling book that I've been a part of.
00:34:11.090 --> 00:34:14.100 David McLeod: and the 1st one that I have been the lead author in.
00:34:14.179 --> 00:34:16.659 David McLeod: So that's pretty awesome.
00:34:17.050 --> 00:34:20.429 Linda Marsanico: Yes, it is. Can you tell us about the other book that you
00:34:20.790 --> 00:34:21.930 Linda Marsanico: are part of.
00:34:23.510 --> 00:34:25.539 David McLeod: Pardon me, I've got a bit of a
00:34:26.370 --> 00:34:30.129 David McLeod: frog in my throat here. I'm sorry I don't mean to cough on on air.
00:34:30.380 --> 00:34:33.310 Linda Marsanico: I get frogs in my throat all the time.
00:34:34.590 --> 00:34:51.259 David McLeod: Well, I was part of the series for the wellness universe, the gifts of wisdom. I'm sorry. Wellness, universe, complete guide to self-healing. There are 5. Well, there's 4 volumes already published, and we got Number 5 coming out in January.
00:34:51.969 --> 00:34:54.859 David McLeod: and all of those books
00:34:55.389 --> 00:35:01.880 David McLeod: were bestselling books, and one of them made international bestseller. I can't remember which volume it was. I think it was volume.
00:35:03.802 --> 00:35:05.310 David McLeod: I'm so sorry
00:35:05.500 --> 00:35:07.810 David McLeod: I'm gonna mute myself for a second. Here.
00:35:07.810 --> 00:35:08.520 Linda Marsanico: Okay.
00:35:08.970 --> 00:35:10.270 Linda Marsanico: take your time.
00:35:23.356 --> 00:35:29.453 David McLeod: I'm so sorry about that. That is one of the downsides of aging my friends.
00:35:30.090 --> 00:35:36.289 David McLeod: but I don't let it stop me, because, you know I got a mission here. I got it. I got stuff to do
00:35:36.380 --> 00:35:40.450 David McLeod: so. And writing books now is one of those big things on my list.
00:35:40.730 --> 00:35:42.869 Linda Marsanico: I don't think anything will stop you, David.
00:35:43.193 --> 00:35:51.290 David McLeod: Well, I hope not. I have. I have. There's so much I need to get done before my time runs out on this planet.
00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:55.490 David McLeod: and I'm hoping that I can accomplish all of it.
00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:12.319 Linda Marsanico: Well, I think you likely. Will. I have another question for you. What do you recommend for people who are struggling right now because they don't yet have the one thing. Now, as the one thing I believe you're meaning the truth of who you are.
00:36:12.520 --> 00:36:13.200 David McLeod: Correct.
00:36:13.490 --> 00:36:16.010 Linda Marsanico: And and later you'll tell us the second thing.
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.019 David McLeod: Well, I did that at the beginning.
00:36:18.680 --> 00:36:20.190 Linda Marsanico: Oh, did I miss it?
00:36:20.190 --> 00:36:22.160 David McLeod: Yeah, I said the 2, there's 2 things.
00:36:22.160 --> 00:36:22.560 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:36:22.560 --> 00:36:24.539 David McLeod: 1st is, there's only one thing.
00:36:26.690 --> 00:36:34.250 David McLeod: So you eliminate that that idea. So there's really only one thing you need to know, and that is the deepest truth of who you really are.
00:36:34.250 --> 00:36:43.280 Linda Marsanico: Okay, that's very profound. So if you can recommend something to people who are struggling right now, since that don't have that truth about who they are.
00:36:44.170 --> 00:36:49.280 David McLeod: Well, I think 1st of all, people have to come to grips with the understanding that
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:51.390 David McLeod: we.
00:36:51.410 --> 00:36:55.669 David McLeod: as as human beings on this planet, we all have
00:36:55.750 --> 00:36:57.059 David McLeod: an ego mind.
00:36:58.010 --> 00:37:03.009 David McLeod: and the ego mind unfortunately becomes a dominant force in our lives.
00:37:03.010 --> 00:37:03.470 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:37:03.470 --> 00:37:05.120 David McLeod: And it's encouraged
00:37:05.190 --> 00:37:08.819 David McLeod: largely by much of what society does.
00:37:09.040 --> 00:37:17.849 David McLeod: If you look around, people are praised for for being for having a powerful ego that helps them to, you know. Get ahead in the world and all that kind of stuff.
00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:21.019 David McLeod: But in reality the ego.
00:37:21.110 --> 00:37:23.120 David McLeod: It's a kind of a limiting
00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:25.350 David McLeod: force in your life.
00:37:27.010 --> 00:37:28.779 Linda Marsanico: Just take your time, David.
00:37:35.670 --> 00:37:39.790 David McLeod: I'm so sorry. This is a this is a particularly bad day for me to get. For some reason.
00:37:40.010 --> 00:37:43.339 Linda Marsanico: Well, perhaps there was a lot of pollen or something in the air.
00:37:43.340 --> 00:37:44.819 David McLeod: Yeah, something like that.
00:37:45.340 --> 00:37:51.340 David McLeod: So so anyway, when you understand that you have this ego mind that might be limiting, you
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.157 David McLeod: you need to
00:37:55.530 --> 00:37:56.940 David McLeod: God. This is really
00:38:00.210 --> 00:38:02.089 David McLeod: so. You need to do the work.
00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:03.230 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:38:03.230 --> 00:38:04.709 David McLeod: Quiet the ego, mind
00:38:05.730 --> 00:38:12.529 David McLeod: not get rid of it. That's that's not what I am ever going to recommend, because and some people to do try and teach, you know.
00:38:12.530 --> 00:38:12.960 Linda Marsanico: It's the.
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:23.689 David McLeod: Get rid of the ego. Mind, kill the ego. No, absolutely not. You don't solve a problem by throwing hate and and violence at it. You solve a problem by bringing love to it.
00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:27.300 David McLeod: You you bring a higher vibrational energy.
00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:27.690 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:38:27.690 --> 00:38:29.119 David McLeod: You learn to
00:38:29.240 --> 00:38:35.760 David McLeod: deal with your ego mind as if it were a little child that just wants some love and attention.
00:38:36.140 --> 00:38:36.840 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:38:37.350 --> 00:38:40.729 David McLeod: And for most of us that's exactly how the Eagle mind shows up, anyway.
00:38:41.730 --> 00:38:47.590 David McLeod: For most of us the Ego mind is like that little boy or little girl within you who
00:38:48.190 --> 00:38:55.369 David McLeod: didn't get the love he or she wanted and needed at the time, maybe didn't, wasn't heard, wasn't listened to.
00:38:55.490 --> 00:38:56.130 Linda Marsanico: Right.
00:38:56.660 --> 00:39:04.460 David McLeod: And so if you can take the time to just listen to your ego, mind and say, Okay, what's going on? Why are you, after all my attention.
00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:07.050 David McLeod: But do it in a loving way, you know.
00:39:07.090 --> 00:39:08.809 David McLeod: then, and just listen.
00:39:10.200 --> 00:39:11.280 David McLeod: Judgment.
00:39:11.570 --> 00:39:16.629 David McLeod: Oh, yeah, I understand. You're afraid you're you're scared because of this and that and the other thing.
00:39:17.040 --> 00:39:19.900 David McLeod: and not only that, you're trying to protect me.
00:39:20.750 --> 00:39:24.669 David McLeod: How lovely that you care so much about me that you want to keep me safe.
00:39:26.250 --> 00:39:27.819 David McLeod: So you learn to
00:39:28.750 --> 00:39:30.149 David McLeod: excuse me.
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.000 David McLeod: You learn to love your ego, mind.
00:39:33.040 --> 00:39:38.410 David McLeod: and by doing so you teach your ego mind to become more serene, more relaxed.
00:39:39.090 --> 00:39:46.150 David McLeod: Okay, it's not about shutting down the ego, mind, or anything like that. It's about inviting it into silence. Once the ego mind is quiet.
00:39:47.020 --> 00:39:49.960 David McLeod: and that's not that hard to do. It just takes practice.
00:39:50.130 --> 00:39:53.019 David McLeod: Then you can connect in with your heart and soul.
00:39:53.160 --> 00:39:57.110 David McLeod: It's much easier to listen to what your soul is telling you
00:39:57.700 --> 00:39:59.639 David McLeod: when your ego mind is quiet.
00:39:59.640 --> 00:40:00.960 Linda Marsanico: Yes, that's true.
00:40:01.550 --> 00:40:04.439 David McLeod: And so when you listen to your soul.
00:40:04.490 --> 00:40:07.789 David McLeod: you are actually listening to your true essence.
00:40:08.220 --> 00:40:08.930 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:40:09.200 --> 00:40:16.530 David McLeod: And that is where you begin to understand the truth of who you really are. And when you listen to that, that very, very quiet.
00:40:16.580 --> 00:40:24.590 David McLeod: loving, beautiful voice that really has no needs. It has. No, it's not. Gonna it's not gonna fault you for anything you do.
00:40:26.990 --> 00:40:31.290 David McLeod: because, after all, the soul is an aspect of the divine.
00:40:32.070 --> 00:40:32.880 David McLeod: Yes.
00:40:33.520 --> 00:40:35.419 Linda Marsanico: That eternal spirit that we have.
00:40:40.530 --> 00:40:43.709 Linda Marsanico: I'm interested in hearing more about
00:40:44.830 --> 00:40:49.248 Linda Marsanico: the truth of who you are which led to the purpose.
00:40:50.230 --> 00:40:51.950 Linda Marsanico: you! You said that you're
00:40:52.560 --> 00:40:54.709 Linda Marsanico: wanting to accomplish all.
00:40:55.890 --> 00:41:04.630 Linda Marsanico: How do you arrange all of that? Because we were talking about this before the broadcast you told me that you had. Is it 3 different chapters to write in the books?
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:05.519 Linda Marsanico: And I said.
00:41:05.520 --> 00:41:07.440 David McLeod: Books I'm working on right now. Yeah.
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:18.139 Linda Marsanico: Right, and I said, That sounds overwhelming, and you said, Well, you don't have to think of it as overwhelming. You could think of it so tell us, how can you think of it differently?
00:41:20.070 --> 00:41:26.819 David McLeod: I think in my experience of life things became overwhelming when my ego mind was in charge.
00:41:27.060 --> 00:41:27.960 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:33.269 David McLeod: And but when my soul is in charge, my soul always seems to find a way.
00:41:33.550 --> 00:41:34.130 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:41:34.130 --> 00:41:37.330 David McLeod: To do the things in the order that matter the most.
00:41:38.690 --> 00:41:39.690 David McLeod: and
00:41:40.330 --> 00:41:51.699 David McLeod: I have to admit. Look at. I'm not a perfect human being. I haven't eliminated my ego. Mind. Sometimes my ego mind gets the better of me. Sometimes you'll see me flip somebody off on the freeway.
00:41:51.870 --> 00:41:56.829 David McLeod: Okay, I won't deny that that happens from time to time, because I'm human.
00:41:56.930 --> 00:41:58.090 David McLeod: And so
00:41:58.380 --> 00:42:04.640 David McLeod: every once in a while I'll see that happen in my life. I say, Oh, yeah, there we go. Got my my ego minds active again.
00:42:04.830 --> 00:42:18.720 David McLeod: How? How can I bring myself back into my heart and my soul? So it's just a constant, you know, awareness, a self awareness, and a constant reminder and invitation back into the heart and soul. When I get into the heart and soul, I'm telling you
00:42:18.750 --> 00:42:21.090 David McLeod: everything works out perfectly
00:42:21.140 --> 00:42:23.800 David McLeod: when I follow the guidance of my heart and soul.
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:37.280 David McLeod: And so we were talking about finding a purpose. Well, how do you find your purpose. Well, 1st thing you got to know who you really are, because then everything else that you do is going to be in alignment with that truth.
00:42:37.620 --> 00:42:37.970 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:42:37.970 --> 00:42:43.430 David McLeod: Right when I know who I am. Then I can start. You know I can use that kind of like a
00:42:43.720 --> 00:42:54.289 David McLeod: I know that there are people who use these dowsing rods or something. You know. I can use it like that. I can say, Okay, I can point at that. Nope, that doesn't feel right. That doesn't feel this one feels right over here.
00:42:54.730 --> 00:43:05.709 David McLeod: you know. My, my, you you start feeling more thoroughly with your actual emotions. You allow the soul to speak to you through the emotions, and you listen to what it has to say.
00:43:05.750 --> 00:43:09.959 David McLeod: and you let that guidance move you in the right direction for your life.
00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:10.840 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.780 David McLeod: That's that's what really it's all about.
00:43:13.870 --> 00:43:16.060 David McLeod: And it it sounds easy.
00:43:16.220 --> 00:43:18.989 David McLeod: And it really is quite simple.
00:43:19.190 --> 00:43:24.939 David McLeod: But the practice is like I said that big, challenging ego. Mind, that's up here in the head.
00:43:25.140 --> 00:43:25.900 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:43:27.340 --> 00:43:31.649 Linda Marsanico: that chat, the ego is the challenge, and it's very 3rd dimensional.
00:43:31.700 --> 00:43:35.079 Linda Marsanico: And I remember one of my teachers telling us
00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:36.070 Linda Marsanico: that
00:43:36.600 --> 00:43:43.840 Linda Marsanico: she was not a proponent of getting rid of the ego, but that that we need to deal with it as heart ego love.
00:43:44.160 --> 00:43:49.070 Linda Marsanico: and in my book I have 12 tips and several of the tips
00:43:49.534 --> 00:43:58.029 Linda Marsanico: involve healing the e healing the ego, stepping back from the ego dealing with the inner child. So you come
00:43:58.200 --> 00:44:02.069 Linda Marsanico: to a place where you're softer, you have a softened heart.
00:44:02.070 --> 00:44:02.830 David McLeod: Right.
00:44:02.830 --> 00:44:05.610 Linda Marsanico: The idea, because with a softened heart
00:44:05.910 --> 00:44:08.380 Linda Marsanico: I let go of judgment, and
00:44:08.390 --> 00:44:14.829 Linda Marsanico: I work to let go of expectations. I have much more compassion, because I have compassion for myself. First.st
00:44:15.140 --> 00:44:16.080 David McLeod: Exactly.
00:44:16.390 --> 00:44:17.939 Linda Marsanico: It's a very beautiful thing.
00:44:17.980 --> 00:44:21.310 Linda Marsanico: and we are pretty much
00:44:21.910 --> 00:44:28.659 Linda Marsanico: going to break. And when we come back, David, perhaps we could hear more about your summit.
00:44:29.670 --> 00:44:31.410 David McLeod: Okay, absolutely.
00:44:31.410 --> 00:44:32.309 Linda Marsanico: All right.
00:44:32.540 --> 00:44:35.229 Linda Marsanico: and we can take it away.
00:46:42.340 --> 00:46:47.749 Linda Marsanico: Hi! Everyone! Welcome back to the A. Train to Sedona with my guest, David Mcleod.
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:54.490 Linda Marsanico: David, you gave us the dates of the summit. Could you tell us the dates again and tell us a bit about it?
00:46:55.210 --> 00:47:00.570 David McLeod: Yes, the so we're doing a gifts of wisdom. Summit featuring
00:47:01.120 --> 00:47:05.889 David McLeod: a number. Quite a number of the authors from from my book gifts of wisdom
00:47:06.010 --> 00:47:09.419 David McLeod: here. And we are going to be.
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:18.370 David McLeod: We're doing interview style recordings that will be released starting on November the 9.th
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:23.859 David McLeod: And I think we're gonna release 3 a day for the for 6 days, and then.
00:47:24.266 --> 00:47:34.080 David McLeod: there'll be an empty day in there, and where you'll get opportunity to go back, and maybe re-listen to some of those some of those recordings, if you want to. And
00:47:34.150 --> 00:47:40.120 David McLeod: and then on the 16th November the 16, th we're having 2 live QA. Sessions.
00:47:40.390 --> 00:47:42.700 David McLeod: One of them will be at 12 noon
00:47:42.790 --> 00:47:46.770 David McLeod: Eastern time, and the other one will be at 8 Pm. Eastern time.
00:47:47.450 --> 00:47:48.580 David McLeod: and those
00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:52.479 David McLeod: this whole thing is really intended to help us
00:47:52.590 --> 00:48:07.559 David McLeod: share our gifts, share the wisdom that we have accumulated together over over a period of time, and to give our listeners and our readers a chance to maybe interact with the authors a little bit on a 1-on-one basis.
00:48:07.930 --> 00:48:23.869 David McLeod: So, and each author will be offering some kind of a free gift, as well as part of the as part of his or her share. And this whole thing. I'm telling you the the value of this thing is is really immense. I'm telling you it's
00:48:23.950 --> 00:48:28.399 David McLeod: it's probably valued in the in the area. About $4,000 is what I would say.
00:48:28.600 --> 00:48:29.050 Linda Marsanico: Oh!
00:48:29.050 --> 00:48:57.030 David McLeod: We are offering it as a gift from our hearts to the people of the world, because we believe that this stuff is really important, and we want people to flourish. We want people to thrive. We want people to find out that truth of who they really are, and begin to express and experience that in every aspect of their lives, because that's in my view, that's the only way we're ever going to get a world that is truly peaceful and happy. If more and more people start doing that work.
00:48:57.650 --> 00:49:05.610 Linda Marsanico: Yes, we want to expand. The energy of love is an awesome vibe, and spiritually love is all there is.
00:49:05.810 --> 00:49:06.590 David McLeod: That's right.
00:49:06.870 --> 00:49:11.379 Linda Marsanico: Put it out there and talking about love. I was wondering
00:49:11.410 --> 00:49:13.540 Linda Marsanico: about your daily practice
00:49:13.700 --> 00:49:21.369 Linda Marsanico: spiritual practice, whether you meditate mantra, walk exercise. Could you share that with us?
00:49:21.810 --> 00:49:23.318 David McLeod: Yes, all of the above.
00:49:25.756 --> 00:49:40.209 David McLeod: I think right now, my my practice, because I have a challenge with, as you notice, I've been coughing a little bit. Here I have some. Some lung challenges, some breathing challenges. So my focus these days is on basically walking my dog.
00:49:40.580 --> 00:49:43.729 David McLeod: And I do that 3 times a day. I do yoga
00:49:43.860 --> 00:49:50.688 David McLeod: on a on a regular basis, and I also do a lot of meditating. And in my meditations I'm always
00:49:51.100 --> 00:49:53.949 David McLeod: My meditation is just a case of of
00:49:54.420 --> 00:50:04.060 David McLeod: focusing on my breath, and with each breath imagining more love and light coming into my to my being, and anything that's deleterious
00:50:04.180 --> 00:50:08.489 David McLeod: or poisonous or toxic. I invite that to just
00:50:08.500 --> 00:50:14.590 David McLeod: dissipate and leave and mingle and and recycle into positive energy elsewhere.
00:50:14.650 --> 00:50:20.309 David McLeod: That's kind of my my process on a regular basis. I also do my best to eat good quality foods
00:50:20.350 --> 00:50:23.300 David McLeod: as much as I can, and
00:50:23.590 --> 00:50:27.859 David McLeod: you know, just take the best possible care of this physical body that that I can.
00:50:28.660 --> 00:50:31.360 Linda Marsanico: What kinds of foods do you consider good quality.
00:50:32.450 --> 00:50:42.099 David McLeod: Well, I definitely like, you know, organic quality foods. But you know, I have been doing a lot of research on nutrition and stuff, and I think that we have been.
00:50:42.380 --> 00:50:52.869 David McLeod: We may have been misled to some degree about what's good and what's not. Certainly I avoid processed foods as much as possible and try to eat whole foods. Natural foods.
00:50:52.930 --> 00:50:54.460 David McLeod: you know. I think
00:50:54.540 --> 00:50:59.089 David McLeod: the the word organic is a little bit overblown. In some cases
00:50:59.130 --> 00:51:10.129 David McLeod: you can get very good quality foods that don't have to be labeled organic. I think it's important to avoid Gmos, because we really don't know what
00:51:10.200 --> 00:51:18.389 David McLeod: what that genetic modification can do to our bodies when we ingest that I think it's best to try and avoid that.
00:51:18.470 --> 00:51:36.490 David McLeod: So really, a nice balance of good quality foods, high protein. I kind of believe in the high protein, high, fat, low carb approach, because I think that is that is the way our bodies are meant to to do it, but that works for me, and it might not work for everybody.
00:51:36.600 --> 00:51:42.360 David McLeod: You know. I know that there are people out there who believe in veganism and vegetarianism, and various other forms of eating.
00:51:42.560 --> 00:51:54.570 David McLeod: You do what's right for you, but just make sure that the quality of your foods are as high as possible, and that you are getting all of your nutritional needs met, no matter how you choose to do that.
00:51:54.950 --> 00:52:05.560 Linda Marsanico: Yes, I understand that regenerative farming is a very high quality type of process as opposed to just organic.
00:52:06.090 --> 00:52:13.379 Linda Marsanico: Whether the farm is any runoff is taken care of, and that it respects the in the surrounding areas.
00:52:13.380 --> 00:52:14.040 David McLeod: Absolutely.
00:52:14.040 --> 00:52:18.970 Linda Marsanico: Arms may spray a little bit just to maintain, but that the
00:52:19.780 --> 00:52:21.269 Linda Marsanico: heart is in
00:52:21.890 --> 00:52:25.990 Linda Marsanico: developing high quality. Vegetables and such.
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:31.299 David McLeod: Yeah. Well, I think that the the there's there's so much that we have, just
00:52:31.520 --> 00:52:36.900 David McLeod: we we've I don't know. We've forgotten. We've chosen not to know, or whatever
00:52:37.030 --> 00:52:42.539 David McLeod: I mean. I I was reading recently an article by a woman who was talking about
00:52:42.590 --> 00:52:44.560 David McLeod: gardening and using
00:52:44.580 --> 00:52:45.750 David McLeod: garlic
00:52:45.770 --> 00:52:48.990 David McLeod: as a tool for keeping aphids away.
00:52:49.060 --> 00:52:58.019 David McLeod: And I thought, of course, why wouldn't you do that? That's perfect. So you plant the garlic next to your tomatoes and aphids stay away from the tomatoes. It's
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:00.220 David McLeod: this is brilliant.
00:53:00.220 --> 00:53:07.859 Linda Marsanico: Yes, there are many practices that are natural that we can relearn. Remember what we used to know.
00:53:08.490 --> 00:53:09.100 David McLeod: Yeah.
00:53:10.590 --> 00:53:14.160 Linda Marsanico: I was gonna joke and say, garlic can keep some people away.
00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:33.010 David McLeod: That's funny. I used to say that to my kids, you know, I would say, you know, we got lots of garlic in this spaghetti sauce, or whatever it was I was making, and they say I don't like garlic. I said, what do you mean? You don't like garlic? You can't even really tell it's there. And they said, Well, why do we have to have garlic, anyway? I said, because it keeps the vampires away.
00:53:33.970 --> 00:53:37.666 David McLeod: and they say what I said. Well, have you seen any vampires around here?
00:53:43.080 --> 00:53:46.859 David McLeod: I took advantage of my kids, I have to say, but we had fun.
00:53:47.240 --> 00:53:51.440 Linda Marsanico: It's good to have fun. The endorphins that we get from laughing are amazing.
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:52.140 David McLeod: That's right.
00:53:52.140 --> 00:53:55.549 Linda Marsanico: Okay, we have a few minutes, and I
00:53:55.740 --> 00:53:58.979 Linda Marsanico: wanted to ask you to just repeat
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:00.780 Linda Marsanico: the
00:54:01.690 --> 00:54:05.960 Linda Marsanico: truth of knowing who you are. It's an important message.
00:54:06.230 --> 00:54:07.590 Linda Marsanico: If you could just
00:54:07.710 --> 00:54:08.880 Linda Marsanico: emphasize it.
00:54:09.200 --> 00:54:10.010 David McLeod: Okay.
00:54:10.010 --> 00:54:11.120 Linda Marsanico: In our closing.
00:54:11.380 --> 00:54:13.300 David McLeod: Here is what I believe
00:54:13.460 --> 00:54:14.310 David McLeod: that
00:54:15.090 --> 00:54:18.540 David McLeod: everything that emanates out of your life
00:54:18.720 --> 00:54:23.269 David McLeod: is going to come from your understanding of who you really are.
00:54:24.150 --> 00:54:27.380 David McLeod: If you are believing yourself to be
00:54:27.610 --> 00:54:28.530 David McLeod: just
00:54:28.670 --> 00:54:31.620 David McLeod: a mother, a woman, father.
00:54:32.230 --> 00:54:38.870 David McLeod: if you think of yourself in terms of the roles you play, then you are limiting yourself.
00:54:39.830 --> 00:54:41.330 David McLeod: You need to.
00:54:41.540 --> 00:54:49.089 David McLeod: Well, you don't need to do anything. That's the 1st thing I'm going to say. I'm going to invite you to consider the possibility that if you release all that
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:53.730 David McLeod: and start to get down deeper and deeper and deeper into the truth of who you are.
00:54:54.140 --> 00:55:06.519 David McLeod: and you begin to understand that you are indeed a divine, magnificent, unlimited, sovereign, spiritual being of light and love, happening to have a share this temporary human experience with all of us here.
00:55:06.570 --> 00:55:11.169 David McLeod: When you get down to that place you'll begin to see your life in a whole new way.
00:55:11.990 --> 00:55:24.350 David McLeod: in a way that you begin to see other people that you maybe never really connected with them before. You'll understand that we are all one, that it's not just a bumper sticker that we like to put on our cars.
00:55:24.660 --> 00:55:25.869 David McLeod: It's a truth.
00:55:27.260 --> 00:55:34.720 David McLeod: but you can experience it for yourself if you decide to do that work. It all starts with going within.
00:55:34.830 --> 00:55:45.049 David McLeod: But, strangely enough, the more you go in the more you set, you tend to go out at the same time. It's a beautiful, beautiful experience. I highly encourage everyone
00:55:45.240 --> 00:55:47.469 David McLeod: to dive in and and
00:55:47.570 --> 00:55:50.989 David McLeod: swim in those deep, beautiful waters. They're beautiful.
00:55:51.610 --> 00:55:53.369 Linda Marsanico: Let me just see how we're doing here.
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:55.240 Linda Marsanico: I'm
00:55:55.380 --> 00:56:04.350 Linda Marsanico: to add to something that you're saying. Our energy shifts when we're in that process of the journey within, because we're going into the core of where love is.
00:56:04.350 --> 00:56:05.410 David McLeod: Exactly.
00:56:05.410 --> 00:56:11.540 Linda Marsanico: Different situations appear in our lives. We consume, we have energy and like energy attracts.
00:56:11.610 --> 00:56:12.720 Linda Marsanico: So it's
00:56:12.750 --> 00:56:15.110 Linda Marsanico: it's a very beautiful
00:56:15.300 --> 00:56:23.750 Linda Marsanico: process, not easy. You need to work at it if you want to do this, but it is very rewarding.
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:24.550 David McLeod: Yeah.
00:56:27.020 --> 00:56:33.120 Linda Marsanico: A last sentence or word to our guests, to our listeners rather, David.
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:39.040 David McLeod: Yeah, I think the the one thing I'd like to say is, you are magnificent.
00:56:40.270 --> 00:56:44.670 David McLeod: and if you can embrace that, your life can change dramatically.
00:56:45.260 --> 00:56:49.300 Linda Marsanico: That phrase encompasses so much.
00:56:49.870 --> 00:56:51.419 Linda Marsanico: so much self love.
00:56:51.530 --> 00:56:54.599 Linda Marsanico: So thank you so much for being with us today.
00:56:54.600 --> 00:56:55.570 David McLeod: My pleasure.
00:56:56.190 --> 00:56:58.689 Linda Marsanico: So nice meeting up with you again.
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:01.709 Linda Marsanico: and I wanted to say that
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:03.850 Linda Marsanico: next week
00:57:05.430 --> 00:57:07.610 Linda Marsanico: my guest is Sarah Jane
00:57:07.740 --> 00:57:12.269 Linda Marsanico: from England, who is the master of voice and sound energy.
00:57:12.790 --> 00:57:19.129 Linda Marsanico: and I'm very excited to have her here. In fact, David and Sarah know each other.
00:57:19.130 --> 00:57:20.640 David McLeod: Oh, yeah, we're good friends.
00:57:20.640 --> 00:57:24.199 Linda Marsanico: And actually Sarah wrote a chapter in your book, so.
00:57:24.200 --> 00:57:24.960 David McLeod: She did.
00:57:25.560 --> 00:57:31.850 Linda Marsanico: So thank you so much for being with us today. I think we may have a few minutes.
00:57:33.470 --> 00:57:36.050 Linda Marsanico: it's a beautiful day in New York City
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:41.149 Linda Marsanico: the remember that the A. Train is an express train.
00:57:41.450 --> 00:58:01.190 Linda Marsanico: and I wanted to say that I have been on the local. The C. Train is a local on the same line, and through my broadcasts and through my book, I hope to bring you to the express train on your journey to love and compassion, to love yourselves, to see yourselves as the eternal spirits that you are.
00:58:01.720 --> 00:58:02.989 Linda Marsanico: and with that
00:58:03.600 --> 00:58:04.680 Linda Marsanico: I'll say
00:58:04.730 --> 00:58:06.490 Linda Marsanico: good afternoon to everyone.
00:58:06.510 --> 00:58:08.649 Linda Marsanico: David, have a good rest of your day.
00:58:09.430 --> 00:58:10.989 David McLeod: Thank you, Linda. My pleasure.
00:58:11.810 --> 00:58:13.010 Linda Marsanico: Take it away.
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