In this episode, you'll get a sense of Catharine Allan's compassionate mediumship. She'll describe divination (the use of ways to gain insight into a situation or question from a higher perspective). She'll describe her use of the techniques in her practice. She'll give a Tarot reading.
In this episode we will discuss the role of spirituality in Catharine's life; and her journey.
Catharine will describe her use of Tarot, intuition, and astrology, and their application to the healing process.
We will get a glimpse of Catharine's access to higher knowing and her compassion for
those whose lives are made stronger by her teachings.
We will discuss the ethics of divination practice, some history, and the most popular methods currently used.
Catharine is also a singer, costume designer, cat lover, and Monty Python fan. She has her feet on the ground as well! We welcome her to TalkRadioNYC!
ABOUT OUR GUEST
Catharine is the author of three books: "Divination Rules, Vibes from the Other Side," and "A Little Bit of Intuition." She has taught courses on intuition, tarot, astrology and their applications to the healing process with the Edgar Cayce Center in NYC, The London College of Psychic Studies, and McGill University. She was a resident medium at Le Melange Magique for nearly fifteen years in Montreal and created a successful Psychic Development Program. She can facilitate events as she did for the Montreal Healing Arts Society and various therapeutic settings. She holds her Reiki II training and combines this with her own experience of shamanism. "I am the hybrid of compassionate medium, Clairvoyant, social worker and healer."
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Spirituality. Divination, Medium, Tarot, Intuition, Astrology, Shamanism, Clairvoyant
00:00:51.730 --> 00:00:54.809 Linda Marsanico: Hello, everyone! I'm Linda Marcannico.
00:00:55.480 --> 00:00:58.729 Linda Marsanico: Today is Wednesday, October 23,
00:00:58.760 --> 00:01:00.419 Linda Marsanico: 2,024,
00:01:00.770 --> 00:01:05.300 Linda Marsanico: the debut of my broadcast, the A train to Sedona.
00:01:08.540 --> 00:01:12.439 Linda Marsanico: The A train to Sedona is also the name of a book. I wrote
00:01:13.050 --> 00:01:17.180 Linda Marsanico: a memoir about my journey to love and compassion
00:01:18.010 --> 00:01:23.099 Linda Marsanico: in my book. I share my failures and successes on this journey.
00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:30.280 Linda Marsanico: and I wrote the book in the hope that my experiences will make your experiences easier
00:01:31.520 --> 00:01:35.019 Linda Marsanico: in New York City. The a train is an express train.
00:01:35.140 --> 00:01:36.680 Linda Marsanico: so hop on board.
00:01:38.110 --> 00:01:40.040 Linda Marsanico: I have a free gift for you.
00:01:40.360 --> 00:01:42.830 Linda Marsanico: Higher vibration. Cheat sheet
00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:44.850 Linda Marsanico: with 7 tips
00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:46.870 Linda Marsanico: on how to raise your vibration.
00:01:47.330 --> 00:01:48.590 Linda Marsanico: Here's a sample
00:01:48.910 --> 00:01:50.270 Linda Marsanico: tip number one.
00:01:51.380 --> 00:01:54.019 Linda Marsanico: Embrace the present moment.
00:01:54.250 --> 00:01:58.999 Linda Marsanico: Learn how to tune out distraction, and connect with the voice of Creator
00:02:00.100 --> 00:02:02.289 Linda Marsanico: enhancing your spiritual journey.
00:02:02.900 --> 00:02:06.489 Linda Marsanico: There are exercises to guide each of the 7 tips.
00:02:07.170 --> 00:02:11.709 Linda Marsanico: You can download the free gift from my website, lindamarsenico.com
00:02:13.490 --> 00:02:17.719 Linda Marsanico: when we are loving and compassionate. I believe we are spiritual.
00:02:18.320 --> 00:02:22.300 Linda Marsanico: As we embrace spirituality, our perspective expands.
00:02:22.510 --> 00:02:33.230 Linda Marsanico: we discover new possibilities, and we are open to practices and ideas which strengthen our mind, body, spirit, health, and wisdom.
00:02:35.010 --> 00:02:42.190 Linda Marsanico: On the A. Train to Sedona broadcast I plan to interview guests who will highlight these practices.
00:02:43.440 --> 00:02:45.290 Linda Marsanico: I have 2 disclaimers.
00:02:46.330 --> 00:02:50.260 Linda Marsanico: This broadcast does not establish any professional relationship.
00:02:51.710 --> 00:02:57.540 Linda Marsanico: The opinions expressed on this broadcast do not represent talk radio. New York City.
00:02:59.880 --> 00:03:03.199 Linda Marsanico: Today's guest is Catherine Allen.
00:03:04.860 --> 00:03:07.780 Linda Marsanico: Catherine is the author of 3 books.
00:03:08.040 --> 00:03:09.770 Linda Marsanico: divination rules
00:03:10.210 --> 00:03:12.369 Linda Marsanico: vibes from the other side.
00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:14.989 Linda Marsanico: and a little bit of intuition.
00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:25.160 Linda Marsanico: She has taught courses on intuition, tarot, astrology, and their applications to the healing process with the Edgar Casey
00:03:25.370 --> 00:03:27.220 Linda Marsanico: Center in New York City.
00:03:27.300 --> 00:03:30.029 Linda Marsanico: the London College of Psychic Studies.
00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.070 Linda Marsanico: and Mcgill University.
00:03:33.040 --> 00:03:38.990 Linda Marsanico: She was a resident medium at Le Melange Magik for nearly 15 years in Montreal
00:03:39.340 --> 00:03:42.950 Linda Marsanico: and created a successful psychic development program.
00:03:43.900 --> 00:03:50.979 Linda Marsanico: She can facilitate events as she did for the Montreal healing art, society, and various therapeutic settings.
00:03:51.250 --> 00:03:55.219 Linda Marsanico: She holds her reiki 2 training, and combines this
00:03:55.340 --> 00:03:58.369 Linda Marsanico: with her own experience of Shamanism.
00:03:58.780 --> 00:04:01.419 Linda Marsanico: Quote, I am the hybrid.
00:04:01.510 --> 00:04:03.269 Linda Marsanico: compassionate, medium.
00:04:03.390 --> 00:04:05.649 Linda Marsanico: clairvoyant social worker
00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:07.780 Linda Marsanico: and healer end of quote.
00:04:09.090 --> 00:04:10.959 Linda Marsanico: She is also a singer.
00:04:11.020 --> 00:04:13.610 Linda Marsanico: costume, designer, cat, lover.
00:04:13.710 --> 00:04:15.730 Linda Marsanico: and Monty Python. Fan.
00:04:16.450 --> 00:04:18.040 Linda Marsanico: Welcome, Catherine.
00:04:20.570 --> 00:04:22.840 Linda Marsanico: I think you have to unmute yourself.
00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:27.289 Catharine Allan: Thank you. Hi!
00:04:27.670 --> 00:04:28.090 Linda Marsanico: Take care!
00:04:28.090 --> 00:04:29.500 Catharine Allan: Having me today.
00:04:29.970 --> 00:04:31.990 Linda Marsanico: I'm so glad to have you join me.
00:04:32.180 --> 00:04:37.569 Linda Marsanico: I wonder if you would tell us how your journey to where you are today
00:04:37.790 --> 00:04:38.750 Linda Marsanico: started?
00:04:41.440 --> 00:04:46.472 Catharine Allan: Well, it's sort of like a a life a lifelong story, really?
00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:49.880 Catharine Allan: because I really believe now
00:04:50.260 --> 00:04:51.160 Catharine Allan: that
00:04:51.760 --> 00:04:54.280 Catharine Allan: I've been empathic since I'm
00:04:54.400 --> 00:04:57.059 Catharine Allan: very little, you know. So.
00:04:57.760 --> 00:04:59.793 Catharine Allan: but being an empath in
00:05:00.570 --> 00:05:03.529 Catharine Allan: in a time when we didn't have any of this language.
00:05:03.620 --> 00:05:08.093 Catharine Allan: you know, or access to to learning some of these tools.
00:05:08.650 --> 00:05:10.080 Catharine Allan: meant that I was
00:05:10.390 --> 00:05:12.060 Catharine Allan: just sort of
00:05:12.880 --> 00:05:24.460 Catharine Allan: feeling pretty misunderstood and and frustrated to be honest. But I there was always a part of me that knew that what I saw or sensed was was not wrong. But I was.
00:05:24.900 --> 00:05:28.860 Catharine Allan: you know, discouraged that other people around me couldn't validate it.
00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:29.860 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:05:29.860 --> 00:05:32.919 Catharine Allan: And and then try to, you know, argue you out of it.
00:05:33.688 --> 00:05:39.211 Catharine Allan: So you know, without getting into too much detail. That explains a lot of the
00:05:39.630 --> 00:05:44.500 Catharine Allan: the friction, let's just say with with the family or friends, because.
00:05:44.500 --> 00:05:44.820 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:05:44.820 --> 00:05:48.889 Catharine Allan: There was always stuff that was just really to me obvious. So
00:05:49.940 --> 00:05:52.359 Catharine Allan: lot of lessons about that, right? Like
00:05:52.450 --> 00:05:58.170 Catharine Allan: what I see might be obvious to me, but it's not to someone else. Then it can trigger them. And then you're in a
00:05:58.550 --> 00:06:03.129 Catharine Allan: yeah mess. So what? What I? When this really began.
00:06:03.570 --> 00:06:12.289 Catharine Allan: I started to be able to predict things and and be able to, you know, show people that I was right about it, probably in high school.
00:06:12.380 --> 00:06:18.319 Catharine Allan: But I I started to study. I found the astrology section one day in the shopping mall.
00:06:19.056 --> 00:06:19.810 Linda Marsanico: When we.
00:06:19.810 --> 00:06:23.170 Catharine Allan: They were all split up shopping for Christmas or whatever.
00:06:23.260 --> 00:06:31.209 Catharine Allan: and it's 1 of those moments I'll never, you know, it's frozen in my mind. I remember the day I saw a book on astrology
00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:35.920 Catharine Allan: on a top shelf and was like almost nervous. Someone was gonna was watching.
00:06:35.970 --> 00:06:38.579 Catharine Allan: You know, we're gonna find out that I was looking at this.
00:06:38.700 --> 00:06:44.319 Catharine Allan: but I I just studied it on my own, and I observed people for years.
00:06:45.173 --> 00:06:46.640 Catharine Allan: Before I
00:06:46.790 --> 00:06:48.379 Catharine Allan: met a mentor
00:06:48.550 --> 00:06:49.115 Catharine Allan: and
00:06:50.580 --> 00:06:53.843 Catharine Allan: We'll just tell that little story, because that's sort of cool.
00:06:54.270 --> 00:07:15.270 Catharine Allan: So there's but my life just rolls with all these kinds of stories, how these all, how it all evolved. But I was. I moved to Montreal in 1991. I was going to study interior design. I met a Greek boyfriend, even though I'm in Montreal, and everyone said I should get a French one. I kept meeting Greek guys. So there I was, and he he brought me
00:07:15.400 --> 00:07:17.380 Catharine Allan: to this shop that I
00:07:17.620 --> 00:07:21.160 Catharine Allan: few years down the road, ended up working for for 15 years.
00:07:21.190 --> 00:07:25.460 Catharine Allan: and he told me, oh, you have to meet my friend Miriam. She loves astrology.
00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.240 Catharine Allan: and she loves art like you. And I said, Okay, and
00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.240 Catharine Allan: he worked at a
00:07:30.300 --> 00:07:34.999 Catharine Allan: 7, 11 type place in the night shift and dragged me over there in the middle of the night
00:07:35.420 --> 00:07:45.989 Catharine Allan: because she would do the baking and 4 in the morning, because I had to meet her. Okay, so I didn't get to meet her. She was too busy, but I saw who I saw her and said Hello! And then.
00:07:46.280 --> 00:07:49.850 Catharine Allan: literally, like. 2 or 3 weeks later I was on my back balcony.
00:07:50.320 --> 00:07:54.190 Catharine Allan: and someone stepped out beside me, and she was my next door neighbor.
00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:56.700 Linda Marsanico: Isn't that she meant.
00:07:56.700 --> 00:08:02.080 Catharine Allan: Toward me in astrology and cooking and art and all kinds of stuff.
00:08:02.620 --> 00:08:06.399 Catharine Allan: So it's really yeah. I've had a lot of those very
00:08:06.570 --> 00:08:08.679 Catharine Allan: synchronistic sort of
00:08:08.760 --> 00:08:11.990 Catharine Allan: moments where you just say, yes, you know.
00:08:12.140 --> 00:08:16.510 Catharine Allan: or you're open to the unconventional. And then that takes you to another level.
00:08:17.260 --> 00:08:18.020 Catharine Allan: Okay? So.
00:08:18.020 --> 00:08:21.760 Linda Marsanico: Greek boyfriend was the connection to this woman. This
00:08:22.300 --> 00:08:24.270 Linda Marsanico: purposes was to bring you to her.
00:08:24.840 --> 00:08:28.309 Catharine Allan: Yes, oh, yes, he was catalytic in in many, many ways.
00:08:28.450 --> 00:08:29.235 Catharine Allan: Yeah.
00:08:30.110 --> 00:08:36.389 Catharine Allan: He had tarot cards and brought them out. I'd never seen them in my life, and I never put them down afterwards.
00:08:37.510 --> 00:08:39.620 Catharine Allan: So it's yeah.
00:08:41.419 --> 00:08:43.079 Linda Marsanico: What is a Shaman.
00:08:45.620 --> 00:08:49.077 Catharine Allan: So a a shaman is somebody that will
00:08:50.800 --> 00:08:52.349 Catharine Allan: is able to
00:08:52.470 --> 00:08:56.979 Catharine Allan: take on the physical, emotional, spiritual energy of another.
00:08:57.610 --> 00:09:01.769 Catharine Allan: and they know how to transmute it and release it.
00:09:02.570 --> 00:09:03.540 Catharine Allan: So
00:09:05.030 --> 00:09:07.850 Catharine Allan: you know, all of all of us, if we're sensitive a bit.
00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:16.489 Catharine Allan: are gonna pick up other people's energy. Think of sitting beside somebody on the bus that you're like, yeah, you don't feel comfortable sitting beside them. You feel
00:09:16.650 --> 00:09:22.319 Catharine Allan: physically achy, or whatever you're just like you got to get out of there. So you're starting to absorb their energy.
00:09:23.530 --> 00:09:26.630 Catharine Allan: Right, but a shaman is going to do it on a deeper level.
00:09:27.510 --> 00:09:30.470 Catharine Allan: and often with like a vision of.
00:09:31.150 --> 00:09:39.979 Catharine Allan: you know, being able to scan the body physically, internally, and the aura, and see if there's any impurities and balances
00:09:40.370 --> 00:09:42.170 Catharine Allan: those, can some, you know.
00:09:42.640 --> 00:09:44.130 Catharine Allan: So some people
00:09:44.740 --> 00:09:54.460 Catharine Allan: the shaman will take it on like literally. They will feel. If you guys stomach ulcer, they'll feel it, too, and then they try to release it from their physical system. Other times it's like
00:09:54.670 --> 00:09:58.730 Catharine Allan: metaphoric. We see energy chords and lines and.
00:09:58.730 --> 00:09:59.440 Linda Marsanico: Other.
00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:03.740 Catharine Allan: Around your aura that we we can also work with and remove.
00:10:04.970 --> 00:10:16.709 Catharine Allan: Yeah, but there's there's, and that's the extent that I do, because the mediumship clairvoyance led me to. And the Reiki led me to seeing and working on that level. But people who have trained in Shamanism will do
00:10:16.950 --> 00:10:20.283 Catharine Allan: other very specific rituals, like
00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:26.800 Catharine Allan: literally sort of facing your death kind of rituals. Some. Some actually do like.
00:10:26.860 --> 00:10:34.229 Catharine Allan: you're buried alive. Just pretty terrifying. That. Yeah, I know some. Some go really far into
00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:44.200 Catharine Allan: So yeah, I I was only comfortable to sort of stay with this level. But there's there's an amazing amount that can be healed on this level.
00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:45.850 Catharine Allan: Yeah.
00:10:46.100 --> 00:10:47.680 Linda Marsanico: So is the shaman
00:10:47.760 --> 00:10:57.669 Linda Marsanico: concerned with cutting his or her own cords because they're taking in energy from so many sources? Is it incumbent upon them to work at that? Or how do they do that?
00:10:59.870 --> 00:11:05.259 Catharine Allan: Yeah. Well, there's, you know, it depends on what you've picked up. You know some things
00:11:05.300 --> 00:11:09.300 Catharine Allan: it's easier than others to sometimes just visualizing
00:11:09.460 --> 00:11:13.390 Catharine Allan: light around you, or different colors, is enough.
00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.499 Catharine Allan: To protect you from absorbing, or
00:11:17.430 --> 00:11:19.970 Catharine Allan: some you know, they have a
00:11:20.510 --> 00:11:34.149 Catharine Allan: particular ways. They visualize or or say prayer, for where this energy is going to go from you, from that person to you, and or or directly up to Source, or you know, I met one guy that had a particular one that he just
00:11:34.680 --> 00:11:36.368 Catharine Allan: that I like that, he said.
00:11:37.490 --> 00:11:39.190 Catharine Allan: All all energies
00:11:39.400 --> 00:11:45.349 Catharine Allan: coming from that I'm picking up. Let them go back to Source and be retrained in the light.
00:11:45.350 --> 00:11:46.910 Linda Marsanico: That's a beautiful statement.
00:11:46.910 --> 00:12:03.690 Catharine Allan: That's a beautiful one. Yeah. And that that helped me a lot. Because sometimes I was like, well, okay, I can sense it. And I know that I need to remove it. But where do I send it? Because I don't want it to harm anything else? So I love that other people might work with, you know, if they work with other
00:12:03.830 --> 00:12:07.920 Catharine Allan: deities or angels, or whatever they feel, is powerful enough
00:12:08.420 --> 00:12:09.099 Catharine Allan: to
00:12:10.450 --> 00:12:12.450 Catharine Allan: to take it away. Some people will.
00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:13.390 Catharine Allan: Yeah.
00:12:14.323 --> 00:12:20.300 Catharine Allan: I think it's harder if you've really absorbed something from somebody physically to shake that off.
00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.409 Catharine Allan: I find it can take a lot of extra work to
00:12:23.730 --> 00:12:30.609 Catharine Allan: to to even realize like. No, that's not my headache like that didn't happen until I sat down with this person. That's not me
00:12:31.003 --> 00:12:36.459 Catharine Allan: like as soon as you realize that it isn't yours. Then that's half the battle
00:12:36.750 --> 00:12:38.840 Catharine Allan: to to releasing the energy.
00:12:39.650 --> 00:12:41.260 Linda Marsanico: I've had that happen
00:12:41.450 --> 00:12:42.880 Linda Marsanico: a day where
00:12:43.090 --> 00:13:03.780 Linda Marsanico: I was just feeling encumbered by so much. And I thought, this isn't about me. This can't be about me the level of this disruption, and I prayed and meditated, and and worked to let it go, and it finally left. But it takes some discernment, some knowing yourself
00:13:04.230 --> 00:13:04.779 Linda Marsanico: to be able.
00:13:04.780 --> 00:13:05.890 Catharine Allan: Yes, it does.
00:13:06.680 --> 00:13:08.239 Catharine Allan: Yes, it really does.
00:13:08.510 --> 00:13:19.050 Catharine Allan: And I think we're all feeling like a buildup of incredible pressure right now, before we wait for this election. And what's going to happen, too? Right? You can feel like something
00:13:19.190 --> 00:13:26.999 Catharine Allan: just sort of rising and pressure building. And we're all waiting, waiting, and that like that creates all kinds of things for everybody.
00:13:27.590 --> 00:13:30.875 Linda Marsanico: Yes, people talk about it. I feel it. It's
00:13:32.380 --> 00:13:34.170 Linda Marsanico: a fear, I think.
00:13:35.050 --> 00:13:36.560 Linda Marsanico: Fear that we all have
00:13:37.050 --> 00:13:38.669 Linda Marsanico: many of us, not everyone.
00:13:38.800 --> 00:13:40.020 Linda Marsanico: and I.
00:13:40.070 --> 00:13:41.090 Linda Marsanico: We have about
00:13:41.170 --> 00:13:50.289 Linda Marsanico: half a minute to break, but I I work not to dwell there. So I moved to the present moment. Tip number one, be in the present moment. And yeah.
00:13:50.290 --> 00:13:51.099 Catharine Allan: Yes, exactly.
00:13:51.100 --> 00:13:52.180 Linda Marsanico: The outside
00:13:55.260 --> 00:14:08.809 Linda Marsanico: very handy tool. So we will be coming back after this break, and I want to ask you just a little bit about love and compassion, because that's the theme. And then after that, we're going to get into
00:14:08.970 --> 00:14:12.559 Linda Marsanico: divination rules, etc. So.
00:14:12.560 --> 00:14:13.349 Catharine Allan: Sounds, great.
00:14:13.350 --> 00:14:15.139 Linda Marsanico: We have a lot to talk about.
00:14:17.160 --> 00:14:21.409 Linda Marsanico: So here we are going into a break anytime now.
00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:30.489 Linda Marsanico: And I as I wait, I I don't see your darling cat anymore. Has she? Or he.
00:14:30.780 --> 00:14:31.550 Catharine Allan: Yeah.
00:14:31.550 --> 00:14:32.070 Linda Marsanico: Left.
00:14:32.070 --> 00:14:36.429 Catharine Allan: She has. It's a small place, but she has her little spots. I'm not sure.
00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:37.090 Linda Marsanico: Oh!
00:14:37.090 --> 00:14:39.559 Catharine Allan: To sleep in the shower stall. For some reason.
00:14:39.690 --> 00:14:40.250 Linda Marsanico: Okay.
00:14:41.210 --> 00:14:47.879 Linda Marsanico: that's very cute. So Jess, take it away. We're getting to our break now.
00:17:03.610 --> 00:17:15.009 Linda Marsanico: So we're returning now to the A. Train to Sedona with my guest, Catherine Allen, and I'd like to ask you, Catherine, how are you loving and compassionate in your life.
00:17:16.660 --> 00:17:19.848 Catharine Allan: My goodness, what a chunky question!
00:17:22.660 --> 00:17:26.750 Catharine Allan: Well, again, I I feel like I've just always been that person.
00:17:27.349 --> 00:17:29.040 Catharine Allan: But let's just say
00:17:30.550 --> 00:17:37.710 Catharine Allan: Maybe the height of when I was living. That was when I was at this working at this store downtown the the Melange Magic.
00:17:38.110 --> 00:17:42.860 Catharine Allan: It was like a pagan New age, self-help store before everything.
00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:47.780 Catharine Allan: you know, divided up into little niches. We had all of it there, so
00:17:47.790 --> 00:17:58.829 Catharine Allan: we had anybody and everybody coming in there like scared coming out of the closet to do spiritual stuff, or like a place to talk a place to do workshops, a place to.
00:17:59.230 --> 00:18:03.148 Catharine Allan: So it was really a community, and a lot of people were very vulnerable. And
00:18:04.800 --> 00:18:09.709 Catharine Allan: you know. So I I think I just played some sort of mother role to the community there, you know.
00:18:09.800 --> 00:18:10.360 Catharine Allan: And
00:18:11.360 --> 00:18:13.430 Catharine Allan: I was all I looked up
00:18:13.610 --> 00:18:17.890 Catharine Allan: all kinds of resources that people would need. I I did
00:18:18.210 --> 00:18:31.996 Catharine Allan: extra, you know, training and stuff to make sure that I was being helpful with mental health or addiction, or everything. But you know I was also giving out hugs. If somebody was having a hard time, you know.
00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.823 Catharine Allan: yeah, no, I'm always in that role. Yeah.
00:18:42.320 --> 00:18:44.959 Linda Marsanico: So you wrote a book. You wrote a number of books, but you're.
00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:45.600 Catharine Allan: Alright!
00:18:45.980 --> 00:18:48.050 Linda Marsanico: Is divination rules.
00:18:48.140 --> 00:18:50.740 Linda Marsanico: Let's say what divination is.
00:18:52.060 --> 00:18:52.880 Catharine Allan: Yeah.
00:18:53.260 --> 00:18:56.559 Catharine Allan: it's really a umbrella term, because
00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:00.950 Catharine Allan: divination. It applies to anything from.
00:19:01.330 --> 00:19:11.163 Catharine Allan: you know, reading the stars with astrology, to tarot cards to tea leaves to the I ching in in China to
00:19:12.090 --> 00:19:15.780 Catharine Allan: coffee grinds, you know, reading Turkish coffee like.
00:19:16.100 --> 00:19:42.029 Catharine Allan: and even again, some tribes that would have just paid attention to the way the birds are flying, and that would have been a prediction. So it's really a broad term, for, like, you know how we, how we connect to some sort of cosmic energy, and how the signs and symbols we read it through, and they all have a different language and a different way. They're speaking to us, you know, and they're they're ancient. There's always been some
00:19:42.250 --> 00:19:49.629 Catharine Allan: in every. Every culture has some form of it. And then, you know, religion comes along and changes the course of history with a lot of things
00:19:49.760 --> 00:19:51.570 Catharine Allan: depending where and when. But
00:19:51.600 --> 00:19:55.499 Catharine Allan: but there's always been some form of divination in every culture.
00:19:57.060 --> 00:20:00.350 Catharine Allan: So to me, it's anthropological as well. It's not.
00:20:00.770 --> 00:20:04.112 Catharine Allan: Yeah. It's not a game, you know.
00:20:04.530 --> 00:20:10.509 Linda Marsanico: Yes, I read some of your book, and I am amazed at how ancient it is. And
00:20:11.280 --> 00:20:15.339 Linda Marsanico: can you give us some historic and modern examples
00:20:15.670 --> 00:20:23.049 Linda Marsanico: of divination. I know you. You gave us some. Are there any historic ones, or anything that you've left out.
00:20:25.350 --> 00:20:32.350 Catharine Allan: Well, there's so many but one. The one that's you know of note would have been bibliomancy.
00:20:32.810 --> 00:20:33.829 Linda Marsanico: Say it again.
00:20:34.080 --> 00:20:42.809 Catharine Allan: Bibliomancy. So bibliomancy is when you you go to a a book and you you focus on a question, and you either
00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:46.809 Catharine Allan: randomly flip it open and put your finger on a line, and that's your message.
00:20:47.090 --> 00:20:51.240 Catharine Allan: or some people might hear a number, and they go to that page with that line.
00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:51.620 Linda Marsanico: Yeah.
00:20:51.620 --> 00:20:54.259 Catharine Allan: And people used to do that with the
00:20:54.290 --> 00:20:55.590 Catharine Allan: Homer's
00:20:55.730 --> 00:20:57.280 Catharine Allan: Iliad and the Odyssey.
00:20:57.980 --> 00:20:59.750 Catharine Allan: So that's going way back
00:20:59.860 --> 00:21:01.110 Catharine Allan: that people
00:21:01.130 --> 00:21:06.140 Catharine Allan: lined up to access the book and get a message for their lives, you know.
00:21:09.080 --> 00:21:10.146 Catharine Allan: yeah. And
00:21:11.030 --> 00:21:12.960 Catharine Allan: you know the the
00:21:14.530 --> 00:21:18.710 Catharine Allan: well, you know, astrology is a long history, too, very long history.
00:21:18.710 --> 00:21:19.360 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:21:19.967 --> 00:21:25.529 Catharine Allan: You know what we know now today, with full charts and planets and stuff, I mean.
00:21:25.820 --> 00:21:28.669 Catharine Allan: and interpretations, it's all been.
00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:34.280 Catharine Allan: It all started really with people observing the stars for centuries.
00:21:34.800 --> 00:21:36.270 Catharine Allan: Noticing patterns.
00:21:37.100 --> 00:21:45.239 Catharine Allan: So it's it's a very long evolution. And then, of course, different different cultures like Vedic is in India slightly different than
00:21:45.290 --> 00:21:47.451 Catharine Allan: than the Western and the Greek. But
00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:53.388 Catharine Allan: yeah, I mean, sometimes when I would teach astrology, I would.
00:21:54.220 --> 00:22:00.890 Catharine Allan: I would try to tell everyone, turn off your phones. Turn off the lights, you know, and bring them into a meditation. And I
00:22:01.030 --> 00:22:05.030 Catharine Allan: you know you're out. You're out on the water in a, in a in a boat.
00:22:05.050 --> 00:22:06.400 Catharine Allan: and it's nighttime.
00:22:06.560 --> 00:22:08.379 Catharine Allan: and you don't know where you are.
00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.879 Catharine Allan: And then I would ask them to like. Imagine you're looking up now.
00:22:15.670 --> 00:22:18.980 Catharine Allan: All you have is the stars to navigate by, and the moon.
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.359 Catharine Allan: This is how primal
00:22:22.710 --> 00:22:26.570 Catharine Allan: it is really the study of astrology and astronomy.
00:22:27.170 --> 00:22:28.929 Catharine Allan: that's all we would have had.
00:22:29.670 --> 00:22:33.210 Catharine Allan: you know, and and so many mythologies are based on.
00:22:33.760 --> 00:22:41.230 Catharine Allan: you know, the the patterns or the behavior of the Nile, or the the cycles of the moon and what they noticed
00:22:41.520 --> 00:22:44.409 Catharine Allan: the energies that they felt around certain times of year.
00:22:44.620 --> 00:22:48.370 Catharine Allan: and then it develops much later into personality traits and
00:22:48.550 --> 00:22:52.239 Catharine Allan: and breaking it down into much more detail as we have more science.
00:22:52.460 --> 00:22:53.085 Catharine Allan: But
00:22:53.860 --> 00:23:01.460 Catharine Allan: yeah, I I like to try to get across just how primal this is, which is why, when people say, Why did? Why do people?
00:23:02.010 --> 00:23:06.720 Catharine Allan: It's a primal instinct, the moon. Imagine, if it went dark.
00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:14.660 Catharine Allan: how scary that would be! You know the eclipse. A lot of animals were freaking out on that eclipse, that solar eclipse in April.
00:23:15.110 --> 00:23:15.830 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:23:15.830 --> 00:23:29.289 Catharine Allan: We know it's going to come back. It's a show. But you know instinctively, if your body of light or source of water changes. Oh, no right. Your survival's at stake. So
00:23:29.390 --> 00:23:34.590 Catharine Allan: this led to whatever things people use to try to predict with
00:23:35.662 --> 00:23:38.549 Catharine Allan: you know, throwing bones into fire and
00:23:38.670 --> 00:23:43.269 Catharine Allan: throwing bones and looking at formations? And does it point somewhere? Does it give a message.
00:23:43.890 --> 00:23:46.880 Catharine Allan: The tea leaves, reading the teacups.
00:23:47.730 --> 00:23:49.630 Catharine Allan: seeing symbols in the T
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:53.599 Catharine Allan: yeah. And the each ing. Well.
00:23:54.030 --> 00:24:00.280 Catharine Allan: that's I forget what dynasty that starts. But it's it's definitely thousands of years old.
00:24:00.280 --> 00:24:00.930 Linda Marsanico: Yeah.
00:24:01.210 --> 00:24:03.610 Catharine Allan: And you know the the legend is.
00:24:03.710 --> 00:24:06.270 Catharine Allan: you know, a turtle crawled out of the water with
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:18.379 Catharine Allan: the bagua, the the symbols, the 9 symbols on its back on the back of its shell. And this is the basis for the I Ching, but also the Feng Shui, and also that that extends to the Chinese medicine. The whole system
00:24:18.430 --> 00:24:19.860 Catharine Allan: is on that.
00:24:20.300 --> 00:24:21.400 Catharine Allan: So it's
00:24:21.890 --> 00:24:30.659 Catharine Allan: yeah. And then you think how far we've come, where we just take for granted a lot of things that are in our culture that actually stemmed from something.
00:24:30.660 --> 00:24:31.140 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:33.490 Catharine Allan: Divinity divinatory, and they're.
00:24:33.600 --> 00:24:35.489 Catharine Allan: I find it, pretty fascinating.
00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:38.400 Linda Marsanico: I didn't realize my
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:41.469 Linda Marsanico: practice of opening a book to anywhere was.
00:24:42.120 --> 00:24:42.800 Linda Marsanico: It was.
00:24:44.570 --> 00:24:50.150 Linda Marsanico: but what I didn't do, what I hadn't done was put my finger on a certain place which I
00:24:50.360 --> 00:24:52.180 Linda Marsanico: so I'll take
00:24:52.730 --> 00:24:56.459 Linda Marsanico: I don't know which book. I've done it with a course in miracles. I think.
00:24:57.140 --> 00:24:58.979 Linda Marsanico: And I think the finger
00:24:59.020 --> 00:25:01.809 Linda Marsanico: blindly putting it on a certain
00:25:01.910 --> 00:25:07.439 Linda Marsanico: word or a paragraph would be very helpful. So.
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:08.010 Catharine Allan: Yes.
00:25:08.010 --> 00:25:10.279 Linda Marsanico: I'm practicing some old divination.
00:25:10.790 --> 00:25:12.260 Catharine Allan: Yes, yes.
00:25:12.370 --> 00:25:17.579 Catharine Allan: I before I even knew what that you know that word or that practice. I I would
00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:26.099 Catharine Allan: instinctively do it when I couldn't decide what book to buy in the in the bookstore. Sometimes I would pull out the book that I was attracted to and go. Okay.
00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:33.170 Catharine Allan: if this one is for me, you know, I'm just gonna randomly flip and point, and if it speaks to me or moves me, I'm gonna buy the book.
00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:35.450 Catharine Allan: Well, I remember.
00:25:35.450 --> 00:25:38.439 Linda Marsanico: Getting a book. One of Cryon's books.
00:25:39.280 --> 00:25:43.480 Linda Marsanico: I started to read it, and it didn't resonate with me, so I put it on my shelf.
00:25:43.580 --> 00:25:49.219 Linda Marsanico: and I think either 6 months or a year later the book was coming out like.
00:25:49.220 --> 00:25:49.790 Catharine Allan: You know.
00:25:49.790 --> 00:25:50.759 Linda Marsanico: I said up.
00:25:51.130 --> 00:25:58.029 Linda Marsanico: it's time to read the end of times, and I read it, and it meant so much. It was
00:25:58.120 --> 00:25:59.680 Linda Marsanico: perfect time.
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:00.570 Catharine Allan: Hmm.
00:26:00.570 --> 00:26:01.450 Linda Marsanico: Just
00:26:01.590 --> 00:26:02.260 Linda Marsanico: and
00:26:03.490 --> 00:26:05.040 Linda Marsanico: miraculous for me.
00:26:05.520 --> 00:26:07.940 Catharine Allan: Yeah, that's a great feeling, isn't it? Yeah.
00:26:08.390 --> 00:26:16.190 Catharine Allan: Yeah. When a book really chooses you at the right time, and you remember it for life. You're just so ready to drink it in. It's like, that's an amazing feeling.
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:20.269 Linda Marsanico: I remember a story. A woman was walking down the street.
00:26:20.320 --> 00:26:23.469 Linda Marsanico: A car swerved and a book fell out.
00:26:23.790 --> 00:26:26.999 Linda Marsanico: She picked it up, read it, she said. It changed my life.
00:26:27.910 --> 00:26:28.450 Catharine Allan: Hmm.
00:26:28.450 --> 00:26:32.879 Linda Marsanico: So we take things where they come right. Universe is always working with us
00:26:33.190 --> 00:26:34.879 Linda Marsanico: to to help us along.
00:26:35.280 --> 00:26:55.799 Catharine Allan: Yes, and there's signs and symbols in in daily life, you know, as long as we don't walk around craving everything, and everything's a sign, you know. Like, if you're upset about somebody not calling you back, and every 2 min there's a sign then. Well, maybe not, you know. But once in a while, like freaky things happen, you know, animal encounters
00:26:56.352 --> 00:27:01.199 Catharine Allan: or like every once in a while, I would just like hearts, appear on my path
00:27:01.290 --> 00:27:03.319 Catharine Allan: in crazy ways like
00:27:03.580 --> 00:27:10.480 Catharine Allan: might be having a, you know, a lonely day, and the the barista has a heart on my coffee or.
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:11.040 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:19.669 Catharine Allan: One time an acorn just fell before me. I saw a squirrel, and I saw this acorn drop, and it was split in half, and the inside of the acorn had a heart.
00:27:19.940 --> 00:27:20.600 Linda Marsanico: Oh, my!
00:27:20.600 --> 00:27:24.680 Catharine Allan: Still have it to this day. But you know I get like they're not.
00:27:25.010 --> 00:27:28.890 Catharine Allan: It's not supposed to happen to us every day, or it doesn't mean anything.
00:27:28.940 --> 00:27:37.240 Catharine Allan: but every so often there are. There are these guideposts or signs that can be very personal to us and to me that's still divination. It's personal.
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:44.060 Catharine Allan: but there might be things that happen to each of us that we know. This is a familiar loop.
00:27:44.070 --> 00:27:44.983 Catharine Allan: This is
00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:49.079 Catharine Allan: This is a yes or a no for me, you know, to pursue a direction.
00:27:49.530 --> 00:27:52.070 Linda Marsanico: So, Catherine, we're ready for a break now.
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.326 Linda Marsanico: I see it's 2 min to break
00:27:55.860 --> 00:27:59.229 Linda Marsanico: we're taking a little bit longer. Yes, these these
00:27:59.360 --> 00:28:05.269 Linda Marsanico: signs are little Perks along the way, but I do feel we need to be discerning.
00:28:06.060 --> 00:28:20.320 Linda Marsanico: Yes, and that takes a while making mistakes, sometimes misreading something, but with faith and asking for help, because we do have free will, and angels and other beings are not going to
00:28:21.030 --> 00:28:23.530 Linda Marsanico: connect to us and and and
00:28:23.600 --> 00:28:27.220 Linda Marsanico: throw something in our path unless we want it.
00:28:29.270 --> 00:28:33.809 Catharine Allan: Yeah. And we have to be ready, because sometimes how many people do we know that did get
00:28:34.170 --> 00:28:38.560 Catharine Allan: a sign or a chance that bypassed it, dismissed it. We're too scared.
00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:40.760 Catharine Allan: you know, so a lot of it is
00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:44.300 Catharine Allan: is a mixture of our own readiness as well.
00:28:44.860 --> 00:28:45.550 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:28:45.790 --> 00:28:46.440 Catharine Allan: Yeah.
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:57.350 Linda Marsanico: Of course I'm wondering about those people who miss the sign, whether they, in their free will, maybe on a different level, on their unconscious want it, and then the conscious doesn't want it. That could be.
00:28:58.640 --> 00:28:59.550 Linda Marsanico: I can't explain.
00:28:59.550 --> 00:29:01.080 Catharine Allan: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:06.389 Catharine Allan: Well, I mean, I can. As a reader, I can just see so many times when people
00:29:06.630 --> 00:29:11.479 Catharine Allan: clearly feel pulled towards a certain path in their lives, but that path would put them in
00:29:11.630 --> 00:29:15.439 Catharine Allan: in some friction with their families, so they'll never pursue it.
00:29:15.610 --> 00:29:16.290 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:29:16.290 --> 00:29:17.380 Catharine Allan: Stuff like that.
00:29:17.570 --> 00:29:19.219 Catharine Allan: Yeah, it's pretty common.
00:29:21.710 --> 00:29:23.080 Catharine Allan: yeah. But it.
00:29:23.080 --> 00:29:25.360 Linda Marsanico: On that note, Catherine. Excuse me.
00:29:25.360 --> 00:29:25.800 Catharine Allan: Yeah.
00:29:25.800 --> 00:29:30.309 Linda Marsanico: Need to take a break, and then we're gonna come back.
00:29:30.350 --> 00:29:34.350 Linda Marsanico: I'd ask you to finish your thought. And then we're going to do a tarot reading.
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:35.930 Linda Marsanico: How does that sound.
00:29:36.120 --> 00:29:37.069 Catharine Allan: Sounds good.
00:29:37.070 --> 00:29:39.280 Linda Marsanico: Okay, take it away.
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:54.220 Linda Marsanico: Hello! We're at the A train du Sedona broadcast with my guest, Catherine Allen. Catherine, would you finish your thought? Please.
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:01.713 Catharine Allan: Yeah. Well, you sparked another whole thing in my head. So in my 1st book,
00:32:02.120 --> 00:32:08.090 Catharine Allan: a little bit of intuition, I I dive into this more deeply and specifically about.
00:32:08.370 --> 00:32:11.849 Catharine Allan: You know what is your intuition and what is fear?
00:32:12.250 --> 00:32:14.330 Catharine Allan: What is projection.
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.240 Catharine Allan: and what is fantasy?
00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:18.570 Catharine Allan: And how do we discern
00:32:18.830 --> 00:32:25.100 Catharine Allan: these signs and symbols and feelings, you know, as being a true intuition or a true sign versus
00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:29.210 Catharine Allan: you know what we're manufacturing out of our our fears or fantasies.
00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:30.220 Catharine Allan: So
00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:41.330 Catharine Allan: yeah. So if any, if anyone listening needs more help on that, I it's sort of a textbook. I think that I've written on intuition. Yeah.
00:32:41.330 --> 00:32:43.909 Linda Marsanico: Will you say the name again, and where they can find it?
00:32:44.060 --> 00:32:55.110 Catharine Allan: Yeah, it's a little bit of intuition, and it was a whole series, a little bit of the books. And so they're at every every bookstore, Amazon, or Waterstones, or wherever they're listening from.
00:32:55.110 --> 00:32:55.710 Linda Marsanico: Okay.
00:32:55.830 --> 00:32:56.610 Linda Marsanico: Yeah.
00:32:57.700 --> 00:33:00.590 Linda Marsanico: So are you ready to
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:02.730 Linda Marsanico: conduct a Tarot reading.
00:33:03.250 --> 00:33:04.570 Catharine Allan: Yeah, for sure.
00:33:04.600 --> 00:33:07.039 Catharine Allan: you have a question in mind today.
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:11.960 Linda Marsanico: I'm blank.
00:33:12.090 --> 00:33:14.280 Linda Marsanico: I'm blank. Let me think.
00:33:17.010 --> 00:33:21.949 Catharine Allan: Doesn't have to be personal could be about people, you know, or general things about the world.
00:33:23.950 --> 00:33:25.749 Linda Marsanico: Well, how about climate change?
00:33:26.260 --> 00:33:26.900 Linda Marsanico: Is that true?
00:33:26.900 --> 00:33:28.719 Catharine Allan: Boy, okay, no, no.
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.650 Catharine Allan: In in what sense?
00:33:33.450 --> 00:33:34.990 Linda Marsanico: Are we making?
00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:38.320 Linda Marsanico: How is the progress that we are making
00:33:38.360 --> 00:33:40.320 Linda Marsanico: as a a world.
00:33:41.390 --> 00:33:42.190 Catharine Allan: Okay.
00:33:42.970 --> 00:33:46.019 Catharine Allan: alright. So I'm shuffling the cards, and then
00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:49.059 Catharine Allan: I'll ask you to tell me to stop, and then I'll cut them.
00:33:50.250 --> 00:33:51.209 Linda Marsanico: You can stop.
00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:52.739 Catharine Allan: All right.
00:33:54.290 --> 00:33:56.750 Catharine Allan: focus on your question of climate change.
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.169 Catharine Allan: So the 1st card is the Knight of Swords, the King of Swords.
00:34:06.030 --> 00:34:07.689 Catharine Allan: which is usually
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:14.169 Catharine Allan: a really clever person, experienced, like an academic or intellectual, that that could represent scientists.
00:34:14.310 --> 00:34:16.249 Catharine Allan: But it can also represent
00:34:16.750 --> 00:34:20.240 Catharine Allan: powerful men that aren't really operating from their empathy.
00:34:20.520 --> 00:34:20.919 Linda Marsanico: It could be.
00:34:20.929 --> 00:34:24.509 Catharine Allan: Both. It's someone who's in the head all the time, you know.
00:34:25.429 --> 00:34:30.859 Catharine Allan: The the second card is 5 of cups, which is disappointment.
00:34:32.069 --> 00:34:33.149 Catharine Allan: So
00:34:34.409 --> 00:34:41.932 Catharine Allan: you know, that would lead me to feel like a lot a lot of people who believe in it as I do
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.429 Catharine Allan: are quite dismayed at the
00:34:46.499 --> 00:34:48.459 Catharine Allan: that. We could be doing a lot more
00:34:48.809 --> 00:34:49.959 Catharine Allan: than we are.
00:34:51.479 --> 00:34:56.167 Catharine Allan: And then we have the chariot. Okay? Well, that makes sense. The chariot card is
00:34:57.399 --> 00:35:02.430 Catharine Allan: in case people don't know there's a there's a charioteer on his on his
00:35:03.779 --> 00:35:10.569 Catharine Allan: wagon, if you will, and there's usually 2 horses, and he's struggling to keep these horses on the same path.
00:35:11.594 --> 00:35:15.149 Catharine Allan: So the chariot represents somebody who's trying to
00:35:16.109 --> 00:35:25.999 Catharine Allan: pull people together and over overcome obstacles which certainly we can relate to that with climate change, with the believers and unbelievers, or with big industry versus environmental movements.
00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:31.719 Catharine Allan: And then the next card is
00:35:32.289 --> 00:35:36.229 Catharine Allan: the 2 of pentacles, which is change itself.
00:35:37.309 --> 00:35:39.733 Catharine Allan: which gives me more a feeling of
00:35:40.759 --> 00:35:44.639 Catharine Allan: There's things greater than than what humans do or don't do.
00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:48.389 Catharine Allan: Whether you know the
00:35:49.210 --> 00:35:56.120 Catharine Allan: like. Well, you would think that hurricanes, like they just had in in the South, would be enough of a wake up. Call.
00:35:56.630 --> 00:36:00.010 Catharine Allan: Then you have other people saying it's manufactured on purpose. So
00:36:00.650 --> 00:36:02.000 Catharine Allan: it's a
00:36:03.820 --> 00:36:12.339 Catharine Allan: so that gives me a feeling. There's just things that are higher than than our own human efforts or logic that are going to decide for us.
00:36:15.230 --> 00:36:20.669 Catharine Allan: There is a lot of hope in this reading, too, though, like. There's other cards that show a lot of
00:36:21.750 --> 00:36:25.649 Catharine Allan: a lot of people who who are ready to act and mobilize
00:36:26.580 --> 00:36:27.245 Catharine Allan: and
00:36:28.060 --> 00:36:28.650 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:36:28.850 --> 00:36:32.519 Catharine Allan: Probably more people than than we realize if they were given.
00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:40.180 Catharine Allan: if they were given the education and the tools how to shift their lifestyles. But there's also a heck of a lot of inefficiencies and
00:36:40.870 --> 00:36:44.020 Catharine Allan: ironies on on in this whole thing, too.
00:36:44.530 --> 00:36:45.110 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:36:45.660 --> 00:36:48.895 Catharine Allan: Like. I don't know if you've ever seen this documentary called
00:36:50.080 --> 00:36:52.149 Catharine Allan: manufacturing consent.
00:36:52.670 --> 00:36:53.490 Linda Marsanico: I haven't.
00:36:54.890 --> 00:36:55.505 Catharine Allan: And
00:36:57.060 --> 00:37:02.490 Catharine Allan: basically, she follows places all over the world where there's been a either environmental
00:37:02.910 --> 00:37:05.250 Catharine Allan: disasters or decimation.
00:37:05.510 --> 00:37:09.819 Catharine Allan: And I remember watching it, and learning that most of the
00:37:09.850 --> 00:37:16.340 Catharine Allan: most of the waste that we produce in North America is put on an oil tanker and sent to China and to a landfill.
00:37:17.250 --> 00:37:19.899 Catharine Allan: So how is that environmentally friendly?
00:37:20.080 --> 00:37:28.089 Catharine Allan: Do you know what I mean? So the whole recycling thing is sort of a weird catch. 22 like, because, are we actually recycling or dealing with it like we should
00:37:28.540 --> 00:37:38.589 Catharine Allan: so and then they want us to buy our bags all the time. Well, now, we all have extra bags that we that we that don't break down. It's just there's a lot of
00:37:39.170 --> 00:37:40.120 Catharine Allan: so.
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:42.000 Linda Marsanico: It's a complex situation.
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:47.760 Catharine Allan: It's very complex. Yes, and that's why that's why I say, like the the change card
00:37:48.020 --> 00:37:53.459 Catharine Allan: has like a snake biting its tail, and the Yin Yang, and it's the cycle of life, and it's sort of
00:37:54.240 --> 00:37:57.159 Catharine Allan: there's things greater than than us that will
00:37:57.310 --> 00:38:01.999 Catharine Allan: decide our what we need to do. Unfortunately versus right now.
00:38:02.550 --> 00:38:17.249 Catharine Allan: There's obviously some crises, but not big enough that. So we're still bargaining, and some of us don't want to, and some of us are, and we'll send our carbon credits to that country, and we won't deal with it here. And but I do think, in the face of Milton and other storms and other.
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:19.619 Catharine Allan: how can we not face.
00:38:19.820 --> 00:38:20.520 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:38:20.700 --> 00:38:27.239 Catharine Allan: Certain things that have to be done like not building condos on swamplands and and such, you know.
00:38:27.730 --> 00:38:32.570 Linda Marsanico: So, although would you say that it's a sort of a positive reading.
00:38:35.700 --> 00:38:38.440 Linda Marsanico: Or you just say there was some hope in the reading.
00:38:39.380 --> 00:38:53.750 Catharine Allan: Yeah, because there's a lot of people that are aware and willing to mobilize and educate. But so it's gonna it's gonna it would be a mixed bag. There'd be some crisis, of course, but there'd be a lot of people to step in to show us
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.269 Catharine Allan: so. But it's it's sort of hard to weigh in on an entire planet.
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:01.119 Linda Marsanico: I'm an eternal optimist, a caution.
00:39:01.650 --> 00:39:06.349 Linda Marsanico: And I, yeah, I do feel that we're gonna work this out.
00:39:06.790 --> 00:39:14.409 Linda Marsanico: And we have a lot of work to do. I have these cloth bags that I use, and I wash in my wash, and I dry them in the dryer.
00:39:14.410 --> 00:39:15.200 Catharine Allan: Good for you.
00:39:15.542 --> 00:39:17.600 Linda Marsanico: For 15 years. They're absolutely wonderful.
00:39:17.600 --> 00:39:18.809 Catharine Allan: Wow! Good for you!
00:39:18.810 --> 00:39:20.099 Linda Marsanico: You know. So
00:39:20.180 --> 00:39:21.900 Linda Marsanico: we all do what we can.
00:39:22.140 --> 00:39:25.649 Catharine Allan: Yeah. And there's we're coming into the age of Aquarius, where
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.869 Catharine Allan: there's gonna be a lot more quick innovation.
00:39:29.870 --> 00:39:30.450 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:39:30.450 --> 00:39:38.839 Catharine Allan: In many areas than we've probably ever seen, so some of those will naturally be positive as well as hopefully, you know, like I forget what
00:39:39.390 --> 00:39:45.800 Catharine Allan: I forget who did it. But it was a student who came up with on a project, a science project with something that helps clear
00:39:45.910 --> 00:39:48.840 Catharine Allan: plastic from the ocean. I think it's an arm.
00:39:48.970 --> 00:39:50.300 Catharine Allan: But just like.
00:39:51.090 --> 00:39:52.130 Catharine Allan: yeah, yeah.
00:39:52.130 --> 00:39:54.079 Linda Marsanico: Or mushrooms which eat plastic.
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.490 Linda Marsanico: and you clean that mushrooms which eat plastic.
00:39:57.490 --> 00:39:59.370 Catharine Allan: That's amazing.
00:39:59.370 --> 00:40:13.949 Linda Marsanico: Yes, and I did see someone on Facebook about 5 years ago creating plastic out of sea creatures, sea materials. Whether it was seaweed I don't remember, of course, as cheap as plastic from fossil fuels. But
00:40:14.220 --> 00:40:18.699 Linda Marsanico: there are all these innovations, and when does the age of Aquarius begin.
00:40:19.790 --> 00:40:23.100 Catharine Allan: Well, sort of officially. The 19th of November.
00:40:23.540 --> 00:40:25.300 Linda Marsanico: I like that. Okay.
00:40:25.300 --> 00:40:29.409 Catharine Allan: Yeah, we're in the last pass of Pluto and Capricorn right now.
00:40:30.110 --> 00:40:33.339 Catharine Allan: And then it's going to move into Aquarius for the next 20 years.
00:40:34.060 --> 00:40:37.359 Linda Marsanico: I'm I'm from the
00:40:37.410 --> 00:40:39.309 Linda Marsanico: play, the hair! It was the.
00:40:39.310 --> 00:40:39.790 Catharine Allan: Yeah.
00:40:39.790 --> 00:40:40.790 Linda Marsanico: Hilarious, and I.
00:40:40.790 --> 00:40:41.570 Catharine Allan: Yeah, yeah.
00:40:41.570 --> 00:40:52.730 Linda Marsanico: Song right. If I could sing, I would sing it to you. But I want to move on to some questions about your book, because I'm also noting that there are rules for divination.
00:40:52.810 --> 00:40:54.980 Linda Marsanico: Right? So what are the rules.
00:40:56.600 --> 00:41:06.290 Catharine Allan: Well, some of the book is like, you know, rules or tips for different types of divination. But a lot of the beginning rules are actually about ethics.
00:41:07.490 --> 00:41:08.100 Catharine Allan: And
00:41:08.900 --> 00:41:14.129 Catharine Allan: it's a topic dear to my heart because I don't think enough. People in this field talk about ethics.
00:41:14.890 --> 00:41:16.769 Catharine Allan: There's no one out there training anybody.
00:41:17.120 --> 00:41:24.559 Catharine Allan: but not really. There's no governing board that, like psychology or something where that you you step out of line.
00:41:24.670 --> 00:41:32.250 Catharine Allan: So there's a lot of people that know they can learn these things quickly and have shiny marketing, and, in my opinion, a lot of them don't have
00:41:32.520 --> 00:41:38.079 Catharine Allan: counseling skills or or ethics. So I wanted to really heavily focus on
00:41:39.060 --> 00:41:46.090 Catharine Allan: how to prepare yourself properly, to make sure people are centered. But the the first.st The 1st rule I have is always ask permission.
00:41:46.210 --> 00:41:49.110 Catharine Allan: That's so important for putting. Yeah.
00:41:49.230 --> 00:41:55.289 Catharine Allan: yeah, like, even some popular TV shows. You know, they're all staged and everything. But still there's an awful lot of
00:41:55.330 --> 00:42:02.990 Catharine Allan: this idea that somebody's supposed to walk up to somebody in public and go. Oh, my God, your grandmother's right around you right now. Could you imagine
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.130 Catharine Allan: if you're having a horrible day?
00:42:05.150 --> 00:42:14.010 Catharine Allan: And the grocery store and someone walked up to you and said, I'm sensing this about you, and it just threw you for a loop like to me, even if it's
00:42:14.510 --> 00:42:18.889 Catharine Allan: fun to watch as a TV show, or it might be even accurate doesn't mean it's ethical.
00:42:19.220 --> 00:42:22.949 Catharine Allan: you know. It's very private and very personal. What can come up so
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:30.009 Catharine Allan: some of the other rules are to be mindful of the language you use when you are interpreting things for people.
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.360 Catharine Allan: People will be very vulnerable if if they've opened themselves up to you, and
00:42:36.730 --> 00:42:43.840 Catharine Allan: you know your languaging is probably going to stick with them just like when we're in therapy. You know. It's very. It's delicate.
00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:47.230 Linda Marsanico: You're a social worker. So you know all about that.
00:42:47.230 --> 00:42:57.770 Catharine Allan: Well, not officially. I'm not officially a social worker. I'm just unofficially. I've been thrust into a position like a social worker for many years, but I'm not officially trained or licensed. No.
00:42:57.780 --> 00:43:02.030 Catharine Allan: but I was doing a lot of similar work just with tarot cards in my hand.
00:43:02.030 --> 00:43:07.379 Linda Marsanico: And one must must be careful with the language to be gentle, to be kind.
00:43:08.250 --> 00:43:13.119 Catharine Allan: Yes, and positive, like to leave people with hope and like action.
00:43:13.270 --> 00:43:13.610 Linda Marsanico: Yeah.
00:43:13.610 --> 00:43:15.940 Catharine Allan: To to frame whatever comes up
00:43:16.060 --> 00:43:18.449 Catharine Allan: with with something proactive.
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:27.160 Catharine Allan: And also I have divination as a sacred practice that should be treated with respect.
00:43:28.340 --> 00:43:31.330 Catharine Allan: You know, in our world. Right now, I just think it's
00:43:31.600 --> 00:43:33.479 Catharine Allan: there's this increasing
00:43:34.060 --> 00:43:37.189 Catharine Allan: feeling with everything that it's just transactional.
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:43.560 Catharine Allan: and therefore it misses the the meaning and the sacredness, and the and yet people are craving
00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:45.660 Catharine Allan: meaning and sacredness. But.
00:43:45.660 --> 00:43:46.290 Linda Marsanico: Yes, yes.
00:43:46.290 --> 00:43:49.189 Catharine Allan: If we don't slow down and stop treating everything as
00:43:49.300 --> 00:44:01.629 Catharine Allan: as like a I'll give you this. You give me that. Then you're not going to get a sense of meaning. And so, even if somebody gave you the most profound message of your life, if you're in the wrong headspace, if you don't see it as sacred. You're not going to.
00:44:02.510 --> 00:44:06.849 Catharine Allan: you know. Really. Take it in it. You won't get that life changing book moment right.
00:44:07.300 --> 00:44:07.680 Linda Marsanico: Right.
00:44:07.680 --> 00:44:12.399 Catharine Allan: So, and in that light, you know, if you treat it as sacred, then
00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:18.220 Catharine Allan: you realize it's not a way it should never be used as a way to manipulate or control people.
00:44:19.810 --> 00:44:22.709 Catharine Allan: You know. And so I've gone on with with a lot of ethical
00:44:23.210 --> 00:44:27.530 Catharine Allan: things, so that hopefully, people understand to come from the right place.
00:44:28.210 --> 00:44:30.130 Catharine Allan: and then some of the other
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:37.339 Catharine Allan: some of the other rules, or maybe the teacher in me like, learn your actual Tarot deck before you give a reading.
00:44:39.850 --> 00:44:44.119 Catharine Allan: People buy it at the store. Oh, just read from the book. Okay, that's fair.
00:44:44.330 --> 00:44:55.960 Catharine Allan: But again, even if you're doing that for your friend, they still might be really vulnerable. And if you misinterpret what the cards are, or you don't have the experience to frame it in a positive way, and you pull some scary.
00:44:56.160 --> 00:44:59.189 Catharine Allan: some card. You don't understand. You can freak somebody out
00:44:59.560 --> 00:45:01.230 Catharine Allan: which isn't helpful.
00:45:02.940 --> 00:45:05.030 Linda Marsanico: Want you to hold that thought.
00:45:05.030 --> 00:45:05.510 Catharine Allan: Sure.
00:45:05.510 --> 00:45:06.390 Linda Marsanico: Back.
00:45:07.020 --> 00:45:11.240 Linda Marsanico: I we're going to a commercial break and take it away.
00:47:03.220 --> 00:47:15.319 Linda Marsanico: Hi! I'm Linda Marsannico, the a train to Sedona with my guest, Catherine Allen and Catherine you were in the middle of talking about. Know your Tarot deck just by the food store and start giving a reading.
00:47:16.340 --> 00:47:17.880 Catharine Allan: Yes, yes,
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:26.819 Catharine Allan: Tempting to just open some inspirational, beautiful artwork in the deck and start reading from the book and interpreting
00:47:26.910 --> 00:47:28.959 Catharine Allan: messages for your friends. But
00:47:29.390 --> 00:47:31.600 Catharine Allan: It's still a really delicate thing.
00:47:32.080 --> 00:47:34.490 Catharine Allan: If you if you pick a card
00:47:34.550 --> 00:48:00.740 Catharine Allan: something that's quite potent, like the death card or the tower card or something, and you don't really understand the life cycle and what that is. You can scare the crap out of somebody, you know, for no reason, no reason. And I do find over the years a lot of people come back and do tell me, like, I hear you in my head. I'm like, Wow, okay. So I learned early, like I had a big responsibility, how I said things.
00:48:01.395 --> 00:48:01.870 Linda Marsanico: Yeah.
00:48:01.870 --> 00:48:03.120 Catharine Allan: Enter, yeah.
00:48:05.780 --> 00:48:14.879 Linda Marsanico: So there's a question, what is the role of intuition, tarot, astrology, and their application to the healing process.
00:48:17.530 --> 00:48:19.390 Catharine Allan: yeah, well.
00:48:20.580 --> 00:48:23.314 Catharine Allan: let's start with the intuition. One,
00:48:25.200 --> 00:48:26.790 Catharine Allan: a lot of the time
00:48:28.300 --> 00:48:33.210 Catharine Allan: we're given, you know a lot of traditional or classic information about.
00:48:33.500 --> 00:48:53.330 Catharine Allan: you know whether it the healing process, or your health, or your family, or you know we've all gone to a doctor that says, Oh, well, this is, you know, your levels are normal, and you can. You know you're fine. And this is. And then you go to a naturopath. And they'll say, actually, no, that's not really optimal. You're at the low end of something. You might actually need something. And then you go down the rabbit hole.
00:48:53.330 --> 00:49:04.119 Catharine Allan: you know of trying to find supplements or eat differently. And so you're pitted between the medical system and the holistic system. So you have to trust your own intuition, do I?
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.659 Catharine Allan: How do I feel about
00:49:06.830 --> 00:49:16.870 Catharine Allan: taking that medication? How do I feel about taking that herb or supplement? Do I try? You know there's always, I think, navigating our health. We have to always.
00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:24.890 Catharine Allan: I find. Anyway, I mean a lot of people, won't they'll they'll you know the doctor is God, and they say, take it 3 times a day. You do.
00:49:24.980 --> 00:49:29.699 Catharine Allan: But there's a lot of us I know out there that are sensitive. And it's like, Yeah, but I don't
00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:36.509 Catharine Allan: really need it. 3 times a day I feel better when it's 2. So now I'm again in between the rules.
00:49:36.620 --> 00:49:45.420 Catharine Allan: and what I feel is right for me. So that's 1 way that intuition plays a lot in your healing. It'll it'll go against systems like
00:49:45.450 --> 00:49:50.509 Catharine Allan: it'll go against the family system sometimes to get better. Your gut is telling you to do something.
00:49:50.750 --> 00:49:51.090 Linda Marsanico: Yes.
00:49:51.090 --> 00:49:52.450 Catharine Allan: So, yeah.
00:49:52.690 --> 00:49:57.470 Catharine Allan: that's why I'm a big believer in that, entrusting your own intuition above
00:49:57.530 --> 00:49:58.740 Catharine Allan: anything.
00:49:59.355 --> 00:50:00.770 Catharine Allan: And learning to connect to it
00:50:01.270 --> 00:50:05.210 Catharine Allan: when it comes to tarot or astrology, or these other arts with your healing, I think
00:50:05.770 --> 00:50:08.650 Catharine Allan: I think they? They awaken
00:50:08.710 --> 00:50:11.740 Catharine Allan: parts of your mind, or a perspective
00:50:12.370 --> 00:50:15.590 Catharine Allan: that helps you reframe or see your life in a new way
00:50:16.180 --> 00:50:17.849 Catharine Allan: that can be very helpful.
00:50:18.930 --> 00:50:25.800 Catharine Allan: And you know I it doesn't matter which one. It's just like learning. Another symbolic language
00:50:26.080 --> 00:50:28.619 Catharine Allan: or spiritual language can help people.
00:50:29.230 --> 00:50:37.600 Catharine Allan: So for me, astrology was pivotal because I I read about my sign, and I was like, Oh, my God! This is describing me like
00:50:38.020 --> 00:50:42.180 Catharine Allan: because I didn't feel anybody was really seeing who I was fully
00:50:42.200 --> 00:50:43.320 Catharine Allan: growing up
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:46.490 Catharine Allan: because of these gifts, there's no place to share it.
00:50:46.630 --> 00:50:51.630 Catharine Allan: And all of a sudden the description is saying how sensitive and empathic and intuitive and
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:56.810 Catharine Allan: emotional I am, and all this, and then I look up the fat, my family members, and I'm like, Oh, my lord.
00:50:57.370 --> 00:51:05.840 Catharine Allan: this is so true, and these signs don't really get along that. Well, look at that, you know, this was very, and it just led me
00:51:06.070 --> 00:51:11.580 Catharine Allan: to learning more and more, and and eventually learn a lot about psychology, because, as the
00:51:11.720 --> 00:51:14.209 Catharine Allan: the every planet has its own
00:51:14.230 --> 00:51:19.350 Catharine Allan: symbolism and and motivation, and it really helps, you look at yourself
00:51:19.740 --> 00:51:24.960 Catharine Allan: in that lens like my Mars sign is here. Well, how do I act and react?
00:51:25.310 --> 00:51:31.570 Catharine Allan: How do I physically move? What's the best exercise for me. Am I impatient, or am I slow?
00:51:31.600 --> 00:51:34.400 Catharine Allan: You know, Venus, what do I desire?
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:40.840 Catharine Allan: Oh, well, maybe. What if they're in? What if they're opposite each other in the chart. Well, now, what what's that mean about you?
00:51:40.900 --> 00:51:47.049 Catharine Allan: So it just led to this huge psychological revelation for me to learn the language of astrology
00:51:48.110 --> 00:51:50.190 Catharine Allan: and taro. I think sorry.
00:51:50.490 --> 00:51:51.760 Linda Marsanico: Is it your favorite.
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:53.360 Catharine Allan: Astrology.
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:54.060 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:51:54.520 --> 00:51:59.909 Catharine Allan: Oh, gosh! It's so hard to say they feel different functions.
00:51:59.910 --> 00:52:00.500 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:52:00.500 --> 00:52:03.909 Catharine Allan: You know the astrology? I I do love it. I think
00:52:04.540 --> 00:52:05.533 Catharine Allan: I think
00:52:06.120 --> 00:52:11.409 Catharine Allan: it's what I would pro like, still probably know the best, or talk about the rest of my life.
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.450 Catharine Allan: Tarot, you know, brings you into
00:52:15.130 --> 00:52:20.809 Catharine Allan: like another another world where you're seeing stuff. You're you're going deeper into
00:52:21.710 --> 00:52:27.099 Catharine Allan: people's lives and predictions, and that. And it can be amazing. But it can also lead to.
00:52:27.510 --> 00:52:31.539 Catharine Allan: you know, like I said before, social frictions, if you.
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:34.979 Catharine Allan: if people are not happy with what you saw.
00:52:35.220 --> 00:52:35.970 Catharine Allan: Yeah.
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:40.419 Catharine Allan: yeah. Whereas astrology, I find, like, if you tell people
00:52:40.970 --> 00:52:44.280 Catharine Allan: it's more about themselves to to chew on, they can
00:52:44.620 --> 00:52:48.670 Catharine Allan: take it or leave it, but you'll usually stimulate something where they're wondering
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:50.779 Catharine Allan: and self-reflecting.
00:52:50.780 --> 00:52:54.539 Linda Marsanico: Yeah, it seems like these practices move people forward.
00:52:55.300 --> 00:52:57.670 Linda Marsanico: and they can decide whether to heal or not.
00:52:58.380 --> 00:52:59.170 Catharine Allan: Yes.
00:52:59.170 --> 00:53:05.099 Linda Marsanico: They can take what you say, make it their own. See if it resonates. We always have to see if things resonate for us.
00:53:05.640 --> 00:53:06.300 Catharine Allan: Exactly.
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:07.810 Linda Marsanico: And if it resonates.
00:53:08.700 --> 00:53:10.559 Linda Marsanico: then they can apply it.
00:53:11.390 --> 00:53:28.999 Catharine Allan: Yes, and often during a tarot reading. So you know a lot of people that are more, let's say, on their healing journey. If they come. They're not really looking to be told what to do or like predictions. You know, a lot of people are but a lot of people that are in a different state of mind. They're looking more for affirmation
00:53:29.310 --> 00:53:43.340 Catharine Allan: that it's like, okay. I had that sort of feeling myself about the situation, but I wasn't trusting myself fully. So now you have mirrored that back to me. Thank you, you know, and the Tarot and the archetypal.
00:53:43.560 --> 00:53:45.440 Catharine Allan: you know way that that works
00:53:45.470 --> 00:53:48.749 Catharine Allan: can be really helpful and make people feel like.
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:53.269 Catharine Allan: Oh, she doesn't even know me. And the cards just went, yeah, you're right about this.
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.369 Catharine Allan: And then that helps people move forward to to take action.
00:53:57.570 --> 00:53:58.580 Linda Marsanico: Yes, yes.
00:54:02.830 --> 00:54:05.670 Linda Marsanico: Do you have any advice for people who are learning.
00:54:08.250 --> 00:54:08.900 Catharine Allan: Yeah,
00:54:10.010 --> 00:54:16.900 Catharine Allan: I I think for most people when you're learning this at at the beginning, it's gonna seem pretty overwhelming
00:54:16.940 --> 00:54:23.499 Catharine Allan: and also exciting. And you might be a bit obsessive a bit about it while you're learning which is normal.
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:26.850 Catharine Allan: But at the same time it's like
00:54:27.470 --> 00:54:32.939 Catharine Allan: to to still go slowly and and really like. Try to observe your process
00:54:33.070 --> 00:54:36.429 Catharine Allan: and observe patterns, and it would be great if you would. Journal.
00:54:37.780 --> 00:54:50.070 Catharine Allan: You can do a reading every day if you're obsessing it, but try to write it down and watch what happens. Instead of taking huge decisions and actions based on your tarot cards every day kind of thing.
00:54:50.290 --> 00:54:55.190 Catharine Allan: But I mean, that's that is part of the learning when we're really young. But if anybody's
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:58.150 Catharine Allan: yeah, I'm a big believer in just
00:54:58.520 --> 00:55:00.430 Catharine Allan: trying to see patterns.
00:55:01.861 --> 00:55:06.109 Catharine Allan: Before you act on things. A 100%.
00:55:06.110 --> 00:55:06.700 Linda Marsanico: Yeah.
00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:07.520 Linda Marsanico: you really.
00:55:07.520 --> 00:55:08.290 Catharine Allan: So, yeah.
00:55:08.290 --> 00:55:10.550 Linda Marsanico: Learning discernment, you know.
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.380 Catharine Allan: Yeah, discernment. And you know.
00:55:13.420 --> 00:55:15.040 Catharine Allan: that comes from
00:55:15.130 --> 00:55:20.409 Catharine Allan: trying things, but also observing things and writing it down, or talking to somebody or.
00:55:20.410 --> 00:55:21.100 Linda Marsanico: Yeah.
00:55:21.100 --> 00:55:30.069 Catharine Allan: You know, doing mindfulness or meditation practices alongside it. So you stay. So you stay calm, and your nervous system is more grounded. It's
00:55:30.550 --> 00:55:38.430 Catharine Allan: as you open yourself up. It's it is going to be normally intense things open and we feel cracked open and we feel more
00:55:38.630 --> 00:55:43.469 Catharine Allan: excited, vulnerable, open. More things happen to us, more synchronicities. It can be pretty overwhelming.
00:55:43.470 --> 00:55:44.000 Linda Marsanico: That's yeah.
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:49.090 Catharine Allan: And so trying to stay grounded is is a lot of the battle, you know.
00:55:49.740 --> 00:55:54.750 Linda Marsanico: So we have just a few minutes before we've come to the end of the show. It's been so enjoyable.
00:55:54.750 --> 00:55:57.102 Catharine Allan: Yeah. It's flew by.
00:55:57.690 --> 00:56:02.159 Linda Marsanico: Anything free on your website that our listeners could avail themselves of.
00:56:02.420 --> 00:56:08.329 Catharine Allan: Yeah, sure, I've got if you go to river, dash, rain.com.
00:56:09.310 --> 00:56:10.794 Catharine Allan: and you'll see
00:56:11.300 --> 00:56:13.459 Catharine Allan: 5 min meditations.
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:18.510 Catharine Allan: I've got one that is called sage, and one that is called cedar.
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:22.479 Catharine Allan: They're about 5 min each and one they're both, for
00:56:22.830 --> 00:56:30.430 Catharine Allan: there are 2 different kinds of medicines, so sage is more to help you, a meditation to help you cleanse and purify.
00:56:30.930 --> 00:56:32.043 Catharine Allan: and the
00:56:33.470 --> 00:56:37.120 Catharine Allan: the cedar one. Now I'm forgetting, because I put them up here a long time ago.
00:56:38.490 --> 00:56:42.599 Catharine Allan: There we go, the cedar. One is more for purification.
00:56:42.600 --> 00:56:42.855 Linda Marsanico: Hmm.
00:56:43.110 --> 00:56:44.240 Catharine Allan: And protection.
00:56:44.420 --> 00:56:45.200 Linda Marsanico: Okay.
00:56:45.630 --> 00:56:47.935 Catharine Allan: Yeah, so those are free. But
00:56:48.750 --> 00:56:59.290 Catharine Allan: I should create some more free offers as well. I have another longer meditation with Tibetan bowls, but I can't remember if I put it up for free, or if it's it's definitely on my site, anyway.
00:56:59.290 --> 00:57:02.279 Linda Marsanico: They know listeners know how to get to you on your site.
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:04.320 Catharine Allan: Yes, thank you.
00:57:04.713 --> 00:57:15.836 Catharine Allan: I also, if I could plug, I have a Youtube channel for anyone really interested in astrology. Yeah, every full moon and and new moon. I do,
00:57:16.530 --> 00:57:22.130 Catharine Allan: A pretty lengthy analysis of the planets, and I give readings for every sign.
00:57:23.150 --> 00:57:26.700 Linda Marsanico: And so he finds it on Facebook, on rather Youtube.
00:57:26.700 --> 00:57:27.020 Catharine Allan: You.
00:57:27.020 --> 00:57:27.890 Linda Marsanico: Your name.
00:57:28.100 --> 00:57:29.130 Catharine Allan: Yeah, exactly.
00:57:29.130 --> 00:57:32.780 Linda Marsanico: Catherine, it's CATH a. RI.
00:57:32.780 --> 00:57:33.560 Catharine Allan: Yes.
00:57:33.790 --> 00:57:35.770 Linda Marsanico: A LLAN.
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:36.720 Catharine Allan: Yes.
00:57:36.860 --> 00:57:39.350 Catharine Allan: teachers as parents, you know, all A's.
00:57:41.200 --> 00:57:43.710 Catharine Allan: And this is the A train. So it's sort of funny.
00:57:43.710 --> 00:57:44.849 Linda Marsanico: It's cute. It's cute.
00:57:45.530 --> 00:57:47.900 Linda Marsanico: I wanna thank you so much for joining us.
00:57:47.900 --> 00:57:52.560 Catharine Allan: Oh, thank you. It was wonderful! And congratulations on your show. Thank you so much.
00:57:52.560 --> 00:58:02.980 Linda Marsanico: And I just want to say that for next week I have David Mcleod joining me. He is a transformational speaker, a life, mastery, coach and author.
00:58:03.080 --> 00:58:12.900 Linda Marsanico: So, for everyone have a beautiful afternoon, and thank you so much for joining us on this debut of the A. Train to Sedona
00:58:13.220 --> 00:58:15.589 Linda Marsanico: engineer. You could take it away.
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