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This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is pleased to welcome Authors, Strategists, Executive Coaches, and Co-Owners, Jennifer Mulholland & Jeff Shuck
Jennifer is an author, strategist, alchemist, executive coach, and co-owner of Plenty Consulting. From a very young age, she's been dedicated to raising the consciousness of people on the planet. For the last decade, she and her business partner Jeff, have helped thousands of conscious leaders and businesses grow in revenue, impact, and fulfillment.
Before becoming co-owner of Plenty, Jennifer was Chief Innovation Officer at SunGard, a Fortune 500 technology company. She founded several businesses focused on bridging the gap between information and impact in healthcare, technology, and holistic wellbeing. She is a certified Reiki and Theta healer trained in shamanic and energy medicine.
Jeff is an accomplished leader and entrepreneur with deep experience in leadership development, consulting, and social impact. Jeff is co-owner of Plenty Consulting with his business partner Jennifer. Together, they have helped thousands of for-profit and non-profit leaders and organizations create their strategies, grow their fundraising, innovate new programs, and develop conscious cultures.
Before founding Plenty, Jeff was co-founder and CEO of fundraising firm Event 360, raising nearly a billion dollars for charity over 12 years.
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00:00:44.980 --> 00:01:14.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Good morning. Good evening. Wherever you're tuning in from welcome to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got an amazing show in store for you with a couple of wonderful guests, not just one. By the way, did you catch last week's show with Reverend Dr. Kimberly Marooni, of Gateway University. Wonderful show! I hope you have a chance
00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:15.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to see it.
00:01:15.890 --> 00:01:20.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright. Let's get started with, of course, my blog post from a couple of years ago.
00:01:20.890 --> 00:01:25.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our blog post today is entitled.
00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:28.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What Holds us back from our dreams
00:01:28.900 --> 00:01:30.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is only our fears.
00:01:31.970 --> 00:01:35.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is sometimes a struggle within us.
00:01:35.590 --> 00:01:38.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We think we know what we want in life.
00:01:39.080 --> 00:01:42.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it can seem clear what our passion is.
00:01:42.940 --> 00:01:46.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yet when it is not how we make our money.
00:01:46.340 --> 00:01:48.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the water can be muddy.
00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To see clearly is usually not that easy.
00:01:53.500 --> 00:01:57.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for there are so many considerations and choices.
00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We might like what we do to earn a living.
00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but would we stop it if we suddenly won the lottery?
00:02:06.340 --> 00:02:15.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes our passion is not what we make a living at, and for some reason we don't even consider turning our passion into our livelihood.
00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It might be a blind spot.
00:02:18.290 --> 00:02:24.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or it could be because we can't see how to turn it into something that supports us.
00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:30.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet sometimes there is a little something. There is something a little more hidden at work.
00:02:31.290 --> 00:02:35.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The real reason we aren't pursuing our passion
00:02:35.540 --> 00:02:37.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is because of
00:02:37.380 --> 00:02:38.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: fear.
00:02:39.350 --> 00:02:43.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: fear of the failure that could happen if we try.
00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:49.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or more likely, fear of the success we could experience if we give it our all.
00:02:49.920 --> 00:02:53.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Both prospects are uncomfortable for us.
00:02:53.470 --> 00:02:57.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: no matter how much we might think we want it.
00:02:58.710 --> 00:03:02.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for they are both the result of a change.
00:03:02.420 --> 00:03:08.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a change in who we currently are to who we will become
00:03:08.160 --> 00:03:09.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: by simply trying.
00:03:10.780 --> 00:03:16.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is easy to just write off making our passion our career as just a dream.
00:03:16.990 --> 00:03:21.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that we are too old, too poor, too alone, to make it happen.
00:03:21.640 --> 00:03:24.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for if we try to make it happen and we succeed.
00:03:25.050 --> 00:03:29.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: then we have to give up all of our excuses.
00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:34.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can no longer play small, or put things off until tomorrow.
00:03:35.440 --> 00:03:40.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: going for our dream and our passion is not something that comes from the head.
00:03:40.930 --> 00:03:42.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but from the heart.
00:03:43.530 --> 00:03:52.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we can no longer live in a way that we are just surviving and not thriving we have to try
00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:55.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for ultimately it is not about the money.
00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:59.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is not about what others think of us.
00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:06.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What we must come to terms with is not fully living in our joy.
00:04:07.890 --> 00:04:10.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who are we to have a happy life?
00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:17.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And who are we to live in ease and flow while so many others struggle every day?
00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:20.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The real question is.
00:04:20.190 --> 00:04:22.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who are we not to try
00:04:23.550 --> 00:04:28.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if we do not pick up the mantle of the person who follows their passion.
00:04:28.850 --> 00:04:31.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who else will do it for us?
00:04:32.230 --> 00:04:33.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No one.
00:04:33.670 --> 00:04:36.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can only do it for ourselves
00:04:36.810 --> 00:04:46.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and for each one of us who makes that frightful decision. We live as an example for others to follow.
00:04:47.510 --> 00:04:55.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: making our dream. Our life's path is not only for us, it is for everyone else.
00:04:56.060 --> 00:05:03.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for they are all waiting for us to show them it is safe for them to pursue their passion as well.
00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:09.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It may be a scary prospect to pursue our dream.
00:05:09.990 --> 00:05:15.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A more scary prospect is living a life where we don't.
00:05:16.830 --> 00:05:21.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So what passion have you put on the side for another day?
00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:28.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How can you start to move in the direction of making your passion your vocation?
00:05:30.140 --> 00:05:32.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I
00:05:33.080 --> 00:05:37.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: wrote this this blog post a couple of years ago. I believe this was
00:05:37.550 --> 00:05:38.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: after
00:05:40.835 --> 00:05:44.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: one of our events at the Evolutionary Business Council.
00:05:45.210 --> 00:05:46.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and
00:05:48.210 --> 00:05:52.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it was. There was a lot of talk about pursuing your dream.
00:05:53.990 --> 00:05:55.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and this kind of
00:05:56.390 --> 00:05:59.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: inspiration came to me about how
00:05:59.770 --> 00:06:05.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: pursuing our dreams is not just about ourselves
00:06:06.500 --> 00:06:11.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it. It's not just about us living an amazing life.
00:06:12.390 --> 00:06:14.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's about us and
00:06:14.420 --> 00:06:19.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: doing it. So we can be an example, a role model for other people.
00:06:20.730 --> 00:06:24.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But there's always this resistance we hit up against
00:06:25.230 --> 00:06:28.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: whenever we try to do anything different.
00:06:30.330 --> 00:06:33.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and there's 2 sides to the resistance.
00:06:33.780 --> 00:06:35.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Most people think
00:06:35.990 --> 00:06:41.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that fear that stops them from moving forward is all about the fear of failure
00:06:41.890 --> 00:06:48.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like, Oh, my God, what happens if I try this? And it doesn't work, and I don't succeed. You know. What will people think of me?
00:06:53.590 --> 00:06:58.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But sometimes that fear is not really what keeps us from pursuing it.
00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's the other side of that coin.
00:07:02.650 --> 00:07:08.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's the oh, my God! What happens if I pursue it? And it actually works out.
00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:13.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What happens if I actually pursue my dream, and it works.
00:07:15.390 --> 00:07:16.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who will I be?
00:07:17.900 --> 00:07:20.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What? How will I be
00:07:20.330 --> 00:07:25.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: as a person like? Will I have the same friends? Will I live in the same neighborhood, like
00:07:25.640 --> 00:07:28.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: all this stuff that's so familiar to me
00:07:29.580 --> 00:07:33.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: suddenly might not be the same.
00:07:34.530 --> 00:07:35.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that
00:07:36.060 --> 00:07:38.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: fear of change
00:07:39.810 --> 00:07:41.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: keeps us
00:07:41.370 --> 00:07:44.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: from really pursuing and stepping into
00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what we love so much.
00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:55.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and you know it's so funny when I work with people, and I coach them and facilitate them
00:07:56.030 --> 00:08:18.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so often. I hear about what their dream is, whether it's to be an artist, a musician, create some kind of company, do this, and I'm like, Well, why not? It's like, Oh, well, it's too hard, you know. Oh, you know, it's only one in a million. People end up becoming a famous actor, and I'm like you don't have to be a famous actor, you just have to act.
00:08:19.610 --> 00:08:24.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or even if you don't think you're good at acting. But you love film and movies.
00:08:24.700 --> 00:08:31.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There are a million different jobs around a movie that you can get. You don't have to be the person in front of the camera.
00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:36.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We tend to have this very myopic view.
00:08:37.090 --> 00:08:41.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that, pursuing our dream only looks like one thing.
00:08:43.059 --> 00:08:48.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But if we can expand our vision into all the things related to that dream.
00:08:48.750 --> 00:08:52.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There are many possible ways of pursuing our dream.
00:08:53.040 --> 00:08:58.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, might not be the most direct, or that most upfront thing that we're thinking of.
00:08:59.580 --> 00:09:06.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But there were always ways to get involved with the very thing that we love so much.
00:09:10.330 --> 00:09:24.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know I get it, you know, if we have a full time, job, and you have a family, and you have responsibilities, and you're you get so tired by the end of the day, and you just don't feel like you have the energy to pursue it. I get it. I know what that's like.
00:09:28.350 --> 00:09:32.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but when there's that burning passion in our hearts
00:09:33.280 --> 00:09:34.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that it's like
00:09:35.350 --> 00:09:37.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we've got to do this.
00:09:38.260 --> 00:09:40.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but we just can't live with ourselves.
00:09:41.910 --> 00:09:43.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's when
00:09:44.100 --> 00:09:46.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we move forward. That's when
00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:49.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: our passion becomes our vocation.
00:09:50.870 --> 00:09:57.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And sometimes it just starts off as an avocation. Sometimes it just starts off, as you know. Maybe you're volunteering.
00:09:58.030 --> 00:10:02.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or you get an internship in some industry that you really want to get into.
00:10:03.560 --> 00:10:13.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So you learn you get some experience before you actually fully dive in with both feet in a way that you can support yourself.
00:10:14.400 --> 00:10:18.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There were so many different paths
00:10:19.310 --> 00:10:21.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that can take us
00:10:21.770 --> 00:10:25.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to that flame. That is our dream.
00:10:27.280 --> 00:10:29.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It doesn't have to look like one thing.
00:10:31.390 --> 00:10:33.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but one thing is for certain
00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if if we really want it, and we're not moving forward.
00:10:39.070 --> 00:10:41.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we've really got to do some self-reflection.
00:10:42.090 --> 00:10:44.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We've really got to
00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:46.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: look at
00:10:46.580 --> 00:10:49.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what is holding us back
00:10:49.850 --> 00:10:53.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and see and ask ourselves a very simple question.
00:10:54.090 --> 00:10:58.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what fear is it that's keeping me from changing.
00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:00.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: from moving forward
00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:08.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: from being the person I have to become in order to achieve what I want to achieve.
00:11:09.510 --> 00:11:12.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just start by asking the question.
00:11:14.930 --> 00:11:19.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and you know the way the universe works. If you ask the question you'll find the answers.
00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:26.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I know it might be a scary prospect, because once you have those answers there's no excuse.
00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean. There's really no excuse. Anyway, it's
00:11:31.970 --> 00:11:32.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but
00:11:34.450 --> 00:11:40.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: this this blog post is a call to all of you, my loyal listeners, who tune in every week.
00:11:41.380 --> 00:11:43.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What's your passion.
00:11:43.520 --> 00:11:45.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What are you
00:11:46.550 --> 00:11:51.119 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: not fulfilling in your life that would make your heart sink?
00:11:52.930 --> 00:11:58.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And maybe it's not about a career. Maybe it's not about a business. Maybe it's about.
00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:05.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't know just volunteering or just doing something for yourself, or maybe it's travel, or
00:12:05.490 --> 00:12:08.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know who knows? There's so many possibilities.
00:12:09.880 --> 00:12:12.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But what is it that would light up your heart?
00:12:15.770 --> 00:12:16.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:12:17.910 --> 00:12:21.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: take a look? What passion have you put on the side?
00:12:23.380 --> 00:12:27.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And why don't we go and try and pursue that passion.
00:12:27.550 --> 00:12:35.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright. So that's my blog post for this week. It's entitled, What Holds us back from our dreams is only our fears.
00:12:35.420 --> 00:12:45.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and of course you can always find my blogs@talkradio.nyc slash blog. And on my personally branded website, theconsciousconsultant.com.
00:12:46.550 --> 00:12:51.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I hope you enjoyed it, and we'll have another one next week.
00:12:51.160 --> 00:12:52.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: all right.
00:12:52.230 --> 00:12:57.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So now it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show.
00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:05.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Authors, strategists, executive coaches, and co-owners, Jennifer Mulholland, and Jeff Shuck.
00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:17.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Jennifer is an author, strategist, alchemist, executive coach, and co-owner of plenty, consulting from a very young age. She's been dedicated to raising the consciousness of people on the planet.
00:13:17.490 --> 00:13:27.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: My kind of folk, right? For the last decade she and her business partner, Jeff, have helped thousands of conscious leaders and businesses grow in revenue impact and fulfillment
00:13:28.190 --> 00:13:50.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: before becoming co-owner of plenty. Jennifer was chief innovation officer at Sunguard, a Fortune 500 technology company. She founded several businesses, focusing on bridging the gap between information and the impact in healthcare technology and holistic well-being. She's a certified Reiki and Theta healer trained in shamanic and energy medicine.
00:13:50.680 --> 00:13:58.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Jeff is an accomplished leader and an entrepreneur with deep experience in the leadership, development, consulting and social impact
00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:27.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: arenas. Jeff is co-owner of plenty, consulting with his business partner, Jennifer. Together they have helped thousands of for-profit and nonprofit leaders and organizations create their strategies, grow their fundraising innovate programs and develop conscious cultures before founding plenty. Jeff was co-founder and CEO of the fundraising firm event, 360, raising nearly a billion dollars for charity over 12 years.
00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Jeff Jennifer, welcome to the conscious consultant hour.
00:14:31.090 --> 00:14:36.130 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Thank you so much for having us. It's a privilege to be here. Thank you.
00:14:36.130 --> 00:14:36.990 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: See Sam.
00:14:37.160 --> 00:14:39.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's my pleasure. It's my pleasure.
00:14:39.983 --> 00:14:43.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So real quick. How long have the 2 of you known each other.
00:14:44.920 --> 00:14:48.898 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: I keep saying 25 years. I actually think it's probably longer.
00:14:49.230 --> 00:14:50.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I think it's a.
00:14:50.430 --> 00:14:51.890 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Exactly 25 years.
00:14:51.890 --> 00:14:53.660 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: But okay, yeah.
00:14:53.660 --> 00:14:55.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow, wow! When we were kids.
00:14:55.590 --> 00:14:57.939 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Half our lives, half our lives.
00:14:58.150 --> 00:15:00.644 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny how
00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:04.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: quickly time flows by sometimes, doesn't it?
00:15:05.174 --> 00:15:12.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and how long before? And out of that 25 years! How long ago did the 2 of you co-found plenty consulting.
00:15:13.170 --> 00:15:13.860 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Say it.
00:15:13.860 --> 00:15:14.860 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: We.
00:15:14.860 --> 00:15:15.540 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: 11 years.
00:15:15.540 --> 00:15:16.380 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Years ago.
00:15:16.380 --> 00:15:24.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: 10 years ago. So so you knew each other and you you were friends and and together for 15 years before you even started the the organization.
00:15:25.230 --> 00:15:49.750 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Yes, our paths. We always stayed in touch. We took different tracks after we met in the dotcom days and technology in Salt Lake city in 1999. And yes, so we stayed in touch, but had a reconvening about 11 years ago. That brought us to merge our efforts to do what we do today.
00:15:49.750 --> 00:16:12.719 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: And I know you want us to talk about us. I want to talk about your blog post, because that was fantastic, and actually a huge part of our story is because we were lucky enough to hear that calling or hear that advice long, long ago. So maybe after break we can. We can thread our story into the incredible advice that you shared with with the post you read.
00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:27.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Of course, of course, you know, it's every single week, you know. I'm just reading these in order in chronological order, but somehow the post that comes up is always so apropos for the guests I have that week. It's amazing how that works.
00:16:27.690 --> 00:16:35.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and before we go to break, I see we have a loyal listener on the Facebook live Derek, who says, Woo woo love, love, love Jennifer
00:16:35.740 --> 00:16:41.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mulholland. Jeff shook on a plenty. So it looks like you guys got some fans out there.
00:16:41.910 --> 00:16:42.240 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Eric.
00:16:42.990 --> 00:16:44.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right.
00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:54.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So we're going to take a quick break, and when we come back let's just talk about both of your journeys a little bit about.
00:16:54.080 --> 00:17:07.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know. What was it that kind of brought you to focus on this passion of working with conscious leaders and and focusing on of helping people to
00:17:07.560 --> 00:17:09.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: be more
00:17:10.170 --> 00:17:15.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: more awake, more aware, and more present to
00:17:15.099 --> 00:17:17.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what their true passions are. Okay.
00:17:17.849 --> 00:17:18.899 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Sounds, great.
00:17:19.589 --> 00:17:20.209 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Let's do it.
00:17:20.560 --> 00:17:32.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to one Pm. Eastern right here on talk, radio data, Nyc, and all over social media
00:17:33.650 --> 00:17:41.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin, even Twitch. And we'll be right back with our guests. Jeff and Jennifer in just a moment.
00:19:58.070 --> 00:20:13.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Jennifer Mulholland and Jeff shook of plenty consulting. So, Jennifer, I want to start with you first.st
00:20:13.540 --> 00:20:18.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You've worked in fortune. 500 companies in technology
00:20:18.620 --> 00:20:20.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: was.
00:20:21.080 --> 00:20:32.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I want to call it sort of the spiritual side of you the side of you that that really was drawn to making a bigger difference than just to the dollars and cents? Was this something that
00:20:32.870 --> 00:20:42.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: had was always there in the back of your mind? Or did something happen that really sort of pull you forward and say, no, this is what I want. This is the type of work I want to focus on.
00:20:42.590 --> 00:20:43.420 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Hmm.
00:20:44.270 --> 00:20:52.510 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: yeah. I have been wired for human potential mine and others ever since I can remember.
00:20:52.830 --> 00:21:02.429 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: That took a form on the field as being an athlete. I just always wanted to be the best, and I wanted to help other people be the best, too.
00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:10.360 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: I love teamwork. I loved coaching from a very young age, and was really good at it as
00:21:10.460 --> 00:21:15.460 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: a young leader, and that just took a lot of different forms.
00:21:15.980 --> 00:21:28.760 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: My pat my passion, I would say, like, I've always been a big thinker, and in my Sun Guard days I came up with this slogan that was on all our T-shirts and swags for
00:21:29.090 --> 00:21:34.090 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: the Consultancy group. I was running an innovation, and it said.
00:21:34.100 --> 00:21:38.589 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Think, big, make dream big, make a difference. And
00:21:38.670 --> 00:21:46.399 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: the idea of we? We live in a world of self-inflicted glass ceilings often.
00:21:46.700 --> 00:21:55.539 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: and we don't even realize we've put ourselves in this box. And so my appetite was always kind of how can we stretch what's possible
00:21:55.700 --> 00:22:02.299 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: beyond what hasn't been created before? Or I found myself gravitating towards
00:22:02.410 --> 00:22:32.199 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: seeing other models out there, and all different kinds of flavors, and I loved simplifying, distilling, combining, like the best of the best, to create something from other things that we're working. So I would say that the appetite for human potential always kind of came into expression in leading people. I've been a people leader my whole life and gravitated to services rather than products.
00:22:33.670 --> 00:22:38.870 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: and yet, as I climb the corporate ladder in tech.
00:22:38.950 --> 00:22:45.819 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: I mean, I loved what I did, and I got to travel the world, and I really believe that we accomplished the mission
00:22:45.890 --> 00:22:49.699 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: to create the 1st edus around the world.
00:22:50.716 --> 00:22:56.900 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: That was really inspiring to create the unified digital campus, which is what our mission was.
00:22:57.090 --> 00:22:59.559 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: but from a spiritual standpoint.
00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:01.020 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: I
00:23:01.080 --> 00:23:09.290 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: you know, since a little I was roughly 10, or even younger, when my grandmother, a 3rd degree Reiki healer, and my mom.
00:23:09.390 --> 00:23:17.710 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: who both owned their own health and wellness companies for 25 plus years, introduced me to
00:23:17.910 --> 00:23:21.860 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: a lot of healing modalities and spiritual
00:23:21.870 --> 00:23:24.480 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: traditions, and
00:23:24.700 --> 00:23:29.099 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: similar to my work life I loved combining different kinds of religion.
00:23:29.100 --> 00:23:29.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:23:29.490 --> 00:23:38.399 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Different kinds of doorways into accessing source, higher light, God, universe, whatever you need that to be.
00:23:38.510 --> 00:23:40.440 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And I found myself
00:23:40.510 --> 00:23:47.129 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: getting trained. I just couldn't get enough of learning different healing modalities myself.
00:23:47.830 --> 00:23:48.389 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: So.
00:23:48.390 --> 00:23:50.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's in your DNA. Huh?
00:23:50.070 --> 00:23:55.389 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Yes, and it's generational, you know. I come from a general, you know, lineage of
00:23:55.400 --> 00:24:00.247 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: the legacy of light that has been passed down to me. And so
00:24:01.030 --> 00:24:07.890 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: you know, I right before I went into Tech and Jeff and I met, I was studying with a Jungian
00:24:07.940 --> 00:24:10.560 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: psychologist, psychotherapist.
00:24:10.560 --> 00:24:10.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: -
00:24:11.224 --> 00:24:13.529 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Who was a healer herself. And
00:24:13.760 --> 00:24:30.469 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: I had all these incredible experiences of leaving my body, of leading vision quests of doing group therapy that led me into working at the Neuropsychiatric Institute with children, adolescents, and adults, and
00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:34.950 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: fascinated by psychology and the mental piece of it and healing.
00:24:35.690 --> 00:24:45.589 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: I didn't find that it was super safe, as I was climbing the corporate ladder to bring that through. Now it it naturally came through, because it's honestly been part of who I am.
00:24:46.080 --> 00:24:51.669 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: I can't, couldn't really put it in the closet. I would have private conversations with
00:24:51.800 --> 00:25:05.080 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: one boss at a time, or one team member at a time, but I think wholeheartedly. I was compartmentalized, and I did have a wake up call where my body started to speak to me and say.
00:25:05.566 --> 00:25:15.820 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: let's take a look. Is this what I'm really here for, you know, is this all that there is? And when I sat into that and dove into
00:25:16.360 --> 00:25:26.000 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: deeper work with spiritual teachers and alchemy and other healing modalities. I was like, I want to do that, and I want to bring it into business.
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:26.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean.
00:25:26.420 --> 00:25:36.549 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And it encouraged me to take the leap and start my 1st executive coaching company called executive Awakenings, to come out of the closet to
00:25:36.580 --> 00:25:38.640 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: really weave
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:49.089 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: the head and the heart, the intuitive and the intellect, the masculine and the feminine, so that we can actualize human potential. And
00:25:49.410 --> 00:25:56.920 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: the last thing I would say is, my passion has been to help elevate the consciousness of people on the planet, because
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:02.619 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: exactly what you said I want for myself and others to make it wakeful.
00:26:02.840 --> 00:26:10.169 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: to, to tap, to like tune into our ability to empower ourselves, to choose.
00:26:10.330 --> 00:26:18.860 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: to disconnect from the limitations, the box, the cultural conditioning. The family passed down.
00:26:19.410 --> 00:26:25.249 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And to decide is that useful? Is that helping me be my fullest self
00:26:25.470 --> 00:26:38.960 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: or not? And so that's a really big heart of our work, and I am so grateful that I get to bring all of myself to plenty, and to our clients, that
00:26:39.100 --> 00:26:43.799 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: to my best ability. Now I try not to put any parts of me in the closet.
00:26:43.800 --> 00:26:54.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful! Thank you, Jennifer. And and how about you, Jeff W. Did you always have sort of a leaning in this direction, or is it something that just
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:59.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: kind of something happened, or some event? And and it was like, Oh.
00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:03.767 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Well, I I want to go to your blog post.
00:27:04.050 --> 00:27:04.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:27:04.350 --> 00:27:09.330 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: It really spoke to me for a couple of reasons, and I think it's something Jen and I share
00:27:09.460 --> 00:27:11.290 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: when you were speaking.
00:27:11.330 --> 00:27:14.919 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Well, one I want to. I love that you used vocation.
00:27:15.300 --> 00:27:20.509 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: The root of the word vocation is the Latin word that means to call to hear our calling.
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:34.079 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and I'm not sure it's always fear for people. I think we get so good at ignoring the calls or or numbing them out, that that often we work with people. They can't even hear that calling anymore. But we all have a calling.
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:43.490 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and I knew that very early on in my life, when when you were reading Sam, the image that came to me is my father. My father had a Phd. In engineering.
00:27:43.610 --> 00:27:49.460 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: He was a very hard worker. He was the research executive at a steel company.
00:27:49.780 --> 00:27:50.830 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and
00:27:50.870 --> 00:28:00.749 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: the image I always have of him is him hunched over the dinner table during the week, working there were no computers, and so he would be writing out equations longhand
00:28:00.830 --> 00:28:02.569 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: till like 11 at night.
00:28:03.020 --> 00:28:09.599 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and then on the weekend, and he looked tired and ashen, and he was probably 10 years younger than I am now.
00:28:09.870 --> 00:28:10.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:28:10.270 --> 00:28:13.959 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Weekend. He liked to sail. He had a small sailboat.
00:28:14.270 --> 00:28:20.459 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and if you saw him on Saturday morning, you would not relate to the person you saw Tuesday night.
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:26.549 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and I remember as a young boy, not even a teenager, knowing that was something that was off
00:28:26.870 --> 00:28:31.650 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and not wanting to be that not wanting to work during the week
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:45.486 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: to make myself happy on the weekend. I don't know how. I knew that. I don't know that anybody pulled me aside. My dad was such a teacher in an unintentional or latent way, maybe
00:28:45.940 --> 00:29:05.430 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: But very early on, by the time I was in high school I was really clear that whatever I did it was going to be the direct thing that that fueled me. So. I'm very fortunate that I got that message, and I would say Jen left out a lot of parts of her story of like moving literally across the country to follow her passion, to
00:29:05.600 --> 00:29:10.599 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: found lacrosse in Utah, and it's something that I think we have in common. This idea that
00:29:10.610 --> 00:29:17.650 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: our direct feedback is our work aplenty. We say our pay is our day, you know that's really your pay is how you spend your day.
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:34.160 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Well, I just was fortunate that I knew that really early on, and so in college. I was watching all my friends kind of leap at like, you know, senior year. You don't know what you're going to do, and everyone's scrambling to make money, and I really didn't. I had no value. It didn't mean much to me.
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:42.030 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: I didn't have a big trust fund. My family didn't have a lot of money. It's not that I had this cushion. It's just that it wasn't where I placed value. So
00:29:43.580 --> 00:29:45.260 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: I got
00:29:45.590 --> 00:29:51.350 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: involved in leadership development at a small nonprofit, and that was very enriching. I think
00:29:51.480 --> 00:30:06.210 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: maybe one step removed from what my real passion was was helping helping people find out what's meaningful for them, helping their expression come out. But I started doing work, helping people align to values, and that was pretty close to what I wanted. But that led me into
00:30:06.350 --> 00:30:13.040 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: being a full time musician for or, I would say, a starving artist for 3 and a half, almost 4 years.
00:30:13.220 --> 00:30:22.209 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and I really felt pretty on blueprint. You know that idea of expressing what's inside of us in a lot of ways. It is my spiritual practice. Even today.
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:29.919 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: You know, anyone who's created anything can tell you that you're channeling. You're not. You're not creating. You're talking to the Creator.
00:30:30.280 --> 00:30:33.836 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and that's how I spent a lot of my twenties. It was only
00:30:34.110 --> 00:30:34.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who.
00:30:34.740 --> 00:30:48.140 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: My mom ended up dying of cancer, and I felt this calling again that my vocation should be more directed in service. I could see the service I was providing as a musician.
00:30:48.671 --> 00:30:56.979 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: But it didn't feel totally unselfish, and I felt ready for that, and I would tell you back to your blog post, Sam.
00:30:57.050 --> 00:31:21.420 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: There were lots of weeks that there was no money I mean none. I have a memory of there being $10 bills on my refrigerator. You know, when you go. When I went to a new gig you've probably seen this in bars and stuff. You'd get your 1st tip. I'd have someone sign it, and I put it on my refrigerator. Remember, one week having to pull 8 of the 10 off so I could get Lfair to take.
00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:22.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To take.
00:31:22.280 --> 00:31:24.740 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Train to my to my gig, so
00:31:24.860 --> 00:31:30.100 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: I think that did wear me down a little bit too back to your blog post of just like, how do I
00:31:30.190 --> 00:31:34.770 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: square these worlds? How do I channel my passion in a way that actually
00:31:34.820 --> 00:31:51.899 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: can be at least can can provide for food. I don't know if that I would have consciously described it at that at that point. But so so all of those those roads just like Jen's story, these unexpected twists and turns that we take
00:31:52.090 --> 00:31:59.330 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: kind of ended up getting me to the company where I worked with Jen to getting into fundraising, to getting into.
00:31:59.730 --> 00:32:05.050 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Nonprofit strategy to getting into nonprofit leadership development, to getting into
00:32:05.060 --> 00:32:17.460 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: helping people feel whole and complete and and articulate for themselves. What that means I can look back and see the thread. I can see the through point clear as day back to that kid who was 9
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:32.019 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: when I was 9, I probably wouldn't have been able to look forward and say it would have taken this expression back to your blog post like allowing ourselves to be open. We set the intention. But we gotta. We gotta create room for God to do the work right.
00:32:32.340 --> 00:32:36.690 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Be room for the universe to also intend with us, but
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:44.309 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: through all of that Jen and I were lucky enough to reconnect with each other, and found we were doing similar work in a similar way, and
00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:48.409 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: felt like 2 big hearts, was better than one, and.
00:32:48.410 --> 00:32:48.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes.
00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:53.459 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: And fulfilling and amazing, and not always easy.
00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:53.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:57.889 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Fulfilling doesn't mean easy, but it's been fulfilling every step of the way.
00:32:57.890 --> 00:32:59.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful.
00:32:59.710 --> 00:33:13.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, yeah. And and actually giving space to the universe can bring us its magic. That's a different blog post. I have a blog post on that, too. All right, we're going to take our next break when we come back. Let's talk about just
00:33:13.290 --> 00:33:35.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what what brought you together that 11 years ago that that made you decide at the time you'd known each other for a while to start a venture together, like what was the inspiration for plenty consulting. And and you know, what was that like after knowing each other for so long to actually start working together in that way? Okay.
00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:37.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so we'll we'll touch upon that as soon.
00:33:37.580 --> 00:33:38.589 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: We come back.
00:33:38.900 --> 00:33:39.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:33:39.860 --> 00:33:52.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: thank you, everyone. Please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. Our guests this hour are Jennifer Mulholland and Jeff. Shuck, and we will be right back in just a moment.
00:35:57.040 --> 00:36:13.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back. So Jennifer, what were you doing at the time? That, and and and what sort of brought you and Jeff together to to. With this idea of starting a a consulting company.
00:36:14.610 --> 00:36:20.389 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Well, at the time I was running a company called Healthy, happy Human Beings.
00:36:20.730 --> 00:36:26.509 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: and I was, I vividly remember, like drawing on the whiteboard at an
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:33.540 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: investors office just down the street in Park City, Utah, where I live.
00:36:33.640 --> 00:36:41.680 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And I had this vision to create a tech platform that I was currently working on. I had an awesome board of advisors, and some were
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:46.800 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: in big data, and some were in strategy and some were in the health field.
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:55.390 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: The idea was to create a collaborative tech platform locally, to unite the
00:36:56.070 --> 00:37:07.219 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: consumers, individuals of a community, healthcare providers and healthy minded businesses to share what works around being healthy, happy, and whole.
00:37:07.460 --> 00:37:12.850 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And I was in the process of taking over space in the
00:37:13.382 --> 00:37:23.589 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: office that I have that is now our retreat center to build out a retreat center, a well-being center. So I had gone through like 3 iterations of creating
00:37:23.730 --> 00:37:32.099 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: a well-being center in Park city, an integrative healthcare model. And I didn't just want to do physical space. I wanted to do it online through tech as well.
00:37:32.100 --> 00:37:32.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:37:32.700 --> 00:37:45.930 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And so right at that time, Dr. Oz, literally, I think right. When Jeff and I reconnected it was like at the same time Dr. Oz birthed share care, which was a very similar concept.
00:37:46.190 --> 00:38:00.299 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And like it's happened in many times in my career. I'm like, see, I was working on that shit like. How did that? And he clearly had a hell of a lot more funding than I did. But it was, you know I
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:22.170 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: I was pursuing this idea that we can help each other if we share what works and around, being healthy, happy, and whole. And so when Jeff and I reconnected like so many people in our lives. You know, we are all connected. It's like the idea of now.
00:38:22.190 --> 00:38:28.979 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: It's not just 6 degrees of separation. It's now feels like it's 3. But when we reconnected
00:38:29.230 --> 00:38:34.809 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: and it was like I was tired of being the Lone Wolf I was tired.
00:38:34.870 --> 00:38:47.990 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: you know, of trying to sell and bring into form this vision alone. And I'm not. I'm a team player like I love collaboration. I'm wired for it.
00:38:48.240 --> 00:39:12.049 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: and I'm very strong willed, and so not many that kind of sorts out the partnerships I can have to be honest and thankfully. Jeff is a very strong soul and a strong mind, and we just had a deep connection. 25 years ago it was one of those like, you know, somebody so deeply. You don't know how you know them, but they're.
00:39:12.050 --> 00:39:12.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is true.
00:39:12.390 --> 00:39:32.230 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: There we had a shared vision. We could talk for hours. We'd love to process, and we felt this commitment to help each other grow like, how could we help each other reach our individual full potential? And if we did that, then the ripple effect, which is literally Plenty's logo
00:39:32.748 --> 00:39:43.219 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: you know. Then, by embodying that just like you said, modeling the way just like you said in your blog, we create that impact. So
00:39:43.543 --> 00:39:50.580 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: yeah, it, you know for me which we write a lot about, and we talk a lot about in our book leading with light.
00:39:50.670 --> 00:39:52.659 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: How do you know when you know
00:39:52.770 --> 00:39:54.739 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: when you don't know how you know.
00:39:55.380 --> 00:40:08.950 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And it we talk about the landing. Look for the landing, and when you don't know. Wait, don't work on it, put it aside, allow the universe the higher light. God, whatever you name it to be.
00:40:09.240 --> 00:40:12.359 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: to bring more information to you.
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:21.330 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And then, when you know when you get that full body, knowing that 6th cent, that intuitive hit that, yes, go for it.
00:40:21.490 --> 00:40:24.949 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And that's what happened when Jeff and I reconnected.
00:40:24.950 --> 00:40:25.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sure.
00:40:25.350 --> 00:40:32.129 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: 11 years ago. I will never forget where I was. I was running on the mountain path, crossing a bridge.
00:40:32.410 --> 00:40:40.779 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: he called, and it was almost like, Well, do you want to merge our efforts? It was like it was some simple question. Should we do this together?
00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:45.629 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And I just remember feeling like a full body. Hell, yeah.
00:40:46.790 --> 00:40:48.099 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And it was like.
00:40:48.110 --> 00:40:54.589 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: that is my knowing came forth, and I didn't question it, and I leaped. And
00:40:54.620 --> 00:40:55.760 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: here we are.
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:06.439 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Well, and let me, I can. I, Sam? I just want to give some also credit where credit is due. You know you said what was the what? Well, there was actually a who as well.
00:41:06.560 --> 00:41:12.370 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: our dear mutual friend, David Berry, had reached out to both of us, saying, I think I want to do
00:41:12.410 --> 00:41:25.310 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: a mastermind for a weekend with with people that I that I care about and admire, and we all kindred spirits, and he's he's very much a heart on sleeve. We had plenty who say hearts on sleeve shovels and hands right like where you.
00:41:25.310 --> 00:41:25.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sure.
00:41:25.680 --> 00:41:27.990 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Wear your emotions out there and do the work.
00:41:28.090 --> 00:41:45.870 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: And we both said yes to that and and still maybe have a bit of latent guilt. David went to bed, and we set up for like 5 h diagramming the business plan for a new company. But so and the reason I want to. I don't just want to mention him, and he's still a dear friend and involved in our lives. But you know.
00:41:46.190 --> 00:41:53.709 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: if you've ever done an improv or music, or any kind of performance. Right? When you're jamming with people. The the rule is, you always say, yes.
00:41:54.230 --> 00:41:58.650 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Don't say no when you say no, you shut down things, and I've really come to believe
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.389 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: we're all playing improv with spirit all the time.
00:42:01.390 --> 00:42:02.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:42:02.200 --> 00:42:08.140 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: God is asking us, you know God. God's asking us to Riff, to to have fun.
00:42:08.180 --> 00:42:13.419 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and when we say no to things, we shut down all kinds of oh, I'm too busy. Oh, I.
00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:14.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, meaning.
00:42:14.290 --> 00:42:43.120 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: No, I can't do it, and it's a good example. There's a thousand reasons we both could have bowed out of that meeting, but for whatever reason, and we don't need to know. To Jen's point we both said yes, not having no idea that this would result in it. And I I just love that part of the story because we're all presented every day with these opportunities to, you know, to play improv with the divine? And are we saying yes to those are we saying we're too busy.
00:42:43.120 --> 00:42:48.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And Jeff, where were you at that time? What were you doing? That that made it?
00:42:49.670 --> 00:42:53.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I get not easy, but made it a hell! Yes, for you to say.
00:42:53.770 --> 00:43:02.270 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Yeah, yeah, the really, the really short version is, there was kind of this interim step when I left Event 3, 60, and actually took
00:43:02.470 --> 00:43:24.180 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: 6 or 7 of the event, 3 c. 360 team members with me to create kind of plenty. Version one. We had had this amiable, split with the other company and kind of had constituted ourselves as a an agency, maybe a traditional like marketing agency. But I was just coming off a team meeting where
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:29.760 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: all 6 of my team members at the time kind of spent 2 days
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:33.260 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: complaining that it wasn't fulfilling. I just knew like.
00:43:33.740 --> 00:43:45.059 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: what the hell am I doing here? You know this is a lot of work and a lot of risk by that point. This is the 3rd company I had started, and I just could look around the room and feel like I didn't have a
00:43:45.160 --> 00:43:49.089 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: creative partner. I didn't have someone who felt like
00:43:49.490 --> 00:43:56.609 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: that. What we were trying to do is bigger than what the balance sheet looked like or what the client roster looked like. And so
00:43:56.710 --> 00:44:05.459 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: the meeting with Jen, the the re-meeting was came at this incredible time, because it was a remembrance of the things that were
00:44:05.540 --> 00:44:11.350 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: important to me in the 1st place, and it and it wasn't what the title was on my business card, and it wasn't even
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:17.709 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: what the paycheck was coming into the bank account. Those things are nice, and we need those things to live back to your blog post.
00:44:17.750 --> 00:44:19.520 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: But that's not why we're here.
00:44:19.520 --> 00:44:20.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:44:20.090 --> 00:44:31.429 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Right. That's not why we've been incarnated right now, put on this earth, and I think just it was a rekindling for me of what really matters, and and like, I said, I'm better for it.
00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:34.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, wonderful, wonderful. I I
00:44:35.010 --> 00:44:41.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and wanted. We've got one more break to take. And then when we come back, we don't have a lot of time. But I do want to squeeze in
00:44:41.630 --> 00:44:51.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: your book, leading with light. And actually, what is plenty consulting, actually doing today. So so let's try and like squeeze as much as we can in the last few minutes. Okay.
00:44:51.900 --> 00:45:03.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We've been speaking this hour with Jennifer Mulholland, and Jeff shook of plenty consulting, and we'll be right back to tie it all up.
00:47:11.640 --> 00:47:17.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back. Okay, so, Jeff, real quick. What does plenty consulting? Do.
00:47:17.470 --> 00:47:35.609 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Thank you for asking. We say aplenty. We help conscious leaders grow. So what that means is we help teams and organizations and individuals find out what truly matters to them, and figure out how they can use that to make an impact in the world. So how do I follow my vocation
00:47:35.680 --> 00:47:55.150 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: in a way that's sustainable for me and fulfilling for me. And I think in the intro to Jen we talked about 3 ways. We talk about growth, revenue impact and fulfillment. So revenue is, you know, can you keep the lights on as an organization? Can you afford your apartment impact? Is, are we making a difference in the world around us.
00:47:55.150 --> 00:48:10.939 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: and then back to the idea that our pay is our day. Fulfillment? Is the work really meaningful to me? And I loved back to your blog post, Sam. I think we loved that. There's often this kind of false trade between. Well, I'm making money, or I'm making a difference, but
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.750 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: I don't really enjoy it, and.
00:48:13.750 --> 00:48:14.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:20.240 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Plenty way back to the ripple Jen talked about is starting with fulfillment. What truly matters to us?
00:48:20.270 --> 00:48:44.580 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Why do we feel like we're here, either as a team or as people, and if we can get clear on that, we'll make a difference in the people around us, and if we're smart about how we make that difference, and we're confident in how we ask. We'll get the revenue we're looking for. So there's lots more to that. If people are interested. You can find us at plentyconsulting.com and find out more about how we work and what we, what we believe.
00:48:45.850 --> 00:48:48.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Jennifer. The 2 of you came out with a book recently.
00:48:49.190 --> 00:48:55.420 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: We did. It's called leading with light, choosing conscious leadership. When you're ready for more.
00:48:55.420 --> 00:48:55.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:48:56.560 --> 00:48:57.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There you go!
00:48:57.230 --> 00:48:57.910 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And.
00:48:57.910 --> 00:48:58.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Jeff.
00:48:59.790 --> 00:49:00.650 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: It.
00:49:01.540 --> 00:49:08.910 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: it really talks about how we can become more aware, aware, aligned, and intentional in our work and life.
00:49:08.910 --> 00:49:09.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:49:09.170 --> 00:49:12.260 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: In how we lead ourselves and others, and
00:49:12.510 --> 00:49:14.630 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: you know, maybe I'll just kind of
00:49:15.410 --> 00:49:21.689 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: tease up the grounding of what Jeff said. So there's context for this is like our leadership lens.
00:49:22.350 --> 00:49:35.510 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: But when we talk about growth and abundant mindset and helping companies, you know what we did last week, what we're doing this week and next week, I think, gives a great flavor that we do a lot.
00:49:35.720 --> 00:49:36.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:49.829 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Last week, in the spirit of conscious leadership we hosted Lantern 2. We have a leadership retreat for conscious leaders. We're in our 10th year October will be our 20th session
00:49:49.830 --> 00:50:08.109 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: and Lantern 2 is people coming back to experience it annually. And so 4 days in Beautiful Park City at a retreat center called heart Space, helping people connect from people strangers all over the world who are really ready to tap themselves to
00:50:08.250 --> 00:50:14.180 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: for that full potential to realign to their light and to lead themselves in a more conscious way.
00:50:14.590 --> 00:50:39.110 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Today, as an example, not only talking to you. We're about to go into a conversation with Huntsman cancer Center regarding their fundraising strategy. After that we're preparing for next week we head up to Seattle. We've been working with Fred Hutch Cancer center for 3 years, leading their strategy, their fundraising growth and helping them really take their obliter ride
00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:52.190 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: to whole new levels for for their donors and for the impact they want to make. The following week we're off to fidelity, charitable to work with their team of strategists to help
00:50:52.280 --> 00:51:05.260 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: create a unified culture of growth of abundance, so that what they offer for their donors the largest donors in the world, they get to practice for themselves. So.
00:51:05.260 --> 00:51:06.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So the.
00:51:06.530 --> 00:51:16.210 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Book is is a culmination of not just the last 10 years together doing this work and tried and true with our leadership retreat.
00:51:16.390 --> 00:51:37.849 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: But it's really woven with personal stories, client stories, practices to ground what we're talking about kind of like a self-help book. But instead of it teaching you and telling you what you need to do to become a better leader, which is totally covered in the leadership space. By the way, and that's great. If you're seeking that
00:51:38.050 --> 00:51:42.019 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: this is more about helping you. Remember who to be.
00:51:42.670 --> 00:51:51.280 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And helping you be more, you in your fullest, authentic, raw, messy, juicy, lively, powerful way.
00:51:51.380 --> 00:51:54.150 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: whatever that means. So
00:51:54.200 --> 00:52:02.790 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: we're really excited for leading with light. We've been humbled by the reviews and the people that have taken the time to read it.
00:52:02.790 --> 00:52:03.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And what.
00:52:03.150 --> 00:52:10.539 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: We're going through the audible recording to launch that version on the winter solstice of this year.
00:52:10.540 --> 00:52:12.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, wonderful, wonderful.
00:52:12.600 --> 00:52:29.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Jeff! I'm curious, this idea of conscious leadership. It's not a very new concept, but it's still one that you don't hear talked about necessarily a lot in public discourse. Do you find the type of people that you work with
00:52:30.040 --> 00:52:34.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: are more open to that kind of conversation these days.
00:52:34.910 --> 00:52:37.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or is there still some resistance there.
00:52:37.460 --> 00:53:00.140 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: I do think it's changing. I'll be honest with you. I was initially resistance to the to the label, Jen, I think 4 or 5 years ago said, we're looking for how to talk about a different way of leadership, and I think we had mindful leadership, wakeful leadership, enlightened leadership value centered leadership, and Jen said conscious leadership. And I was concerned. To me it felt snotty right? It felt like.
00:53:00.140 --> 00:53:00.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like.
00:53:00.710 --> 00:53:03.719 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: We were being condescending, that we were saying
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:11.540 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: that we knew something that people didn't, and that really, as I've come to understand how we practice it is the
00:53:17.520 --> 00:53:18.140 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Hello.
00:53:18.410 --> 00:53:23.629 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: what we're saying. Let's have a whole Orient. What is true and real for us
00:53:23.990 --> 00:53:37.199 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: as we have talked about it, and as other groups have talked about it, I do find, yes, Sam, that there's more and more people who are looking for something different. I think the window. A lot of people find us through. Mindful leadership is how a lot of people search for us and find us online.
00:53:37.210 --> 00:53:47.400 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: That seems to be growing. I think there's a lot of people looking for something that's less transactional, more relational and more imbued with spirit.
00:53:53.270 --> 00:53:54.040 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Little Internet.
00:53:54.363 --> 00:53:55.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Trouble there
00:53:56.340 --> 00:53:57.630 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: With, right?
00:53:57.640 --> 00:53:58.310 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Yeah.
00:54:00.910 --> 00:54:01.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We're.
00:54:01.560 --> 00:54:02.060 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Okay.
00:54:02.240 --> 00:54:03.950 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Divinely
00:54:04.140 --> 00:54:05.900 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: inspired.
00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:18.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, Jeff, I think your your Internet's a little wobbly. Jennifer, just to to kind of finish things off. There are a lot of people who
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:29.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: are very distrustful of businesses these days. There have been data breaches. They're tech companies that say one thing and do another thing.
00:54:33.600 --> 00:54:51.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what? How do you see like, how do we approach things so that we can actually make business our friend, and and help us to deal with some of these huge challenges that we have today. Like like, how do we approach it when there's been so much
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:55.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: distrust because of actions in the past?
00:54:56.190 --> 00:55:01.059 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Yeah, I would say, listen to your wisdom.
00:55:01.110 --> 00:55:07.639 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Listen to your own body, listen to your own truth as to what
00:55:07.930 --> 00:55:12.570 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: business resonates and what business doesn't.
00:55:12.690 --> 00:55:36.110 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: There are a lot of businesses that live in the gray. And so I think the tendency is to think that all kind of corporate business for profit, you know, depending upon what industry that they're bad and wrong. Now, there's a lot being revealed about companies right now that they
00:55:36.560 --> 00:55:39.519 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: would they were selling us something different. Right?
00:55:39.520 --> 00:55:40.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:52.359 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: You just have to look at the foods food industry right now to recognize that what American companies, for example, have been putting shit in the products.
00:55:52.950 --> 00:55:57.880 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: For Americans to consume is poison in many cases
00:55:57.930 --> 00:55:59.830 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: not allowed in other countries.
00:55:59.830 --> 00:56:00.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:56:00.590 --> 00:56:05.109 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Thank God for people like the food babe who I was able to sit next to long ago, who.
00:56:05.110 --> 00:56:05.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Isn't it.
00:56:05.610 --> 00:56:31.239 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Going to the Senate and showing Congress, and like speaking out right? It doesn't mean all food companies are bad, but listening, learning, finding your own inner compass. We work with so many amazing brands that really give a shit about doing good, and I would say it is inspiring all the time to see for profits and nonprofits really deep.
00:56:32.110 --> 00:56:35.890 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: digging deep within to say, what matters
00:56:36.590 --> 00:56:42.439 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: matters to us? What's going to make this world a better place? What's purpose driven.
00:56:42.520 --> 00:56:47.620 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: and we are so fortunate to work with a lot of those big brands.
00:56:47.620 --> 00:56:47.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:56:47.880 --> 00:57:13.030 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: And so I think there's a lot of distrust, and there should be like, there's a lot of stuff that has not been honestly, transparently shared. And I think in the next decade we're going to see more of that coming to light. But we always have the ability to check in with ourselves, and to find what resonates, with what we lean, into, what.
00:57:13.070 --> 00:57:17.969 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: what lights us up, what feels good to our body, and the moment you.
00:57:18.060 --> 00:57:22.209 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: you know, question, or need to do the sniff test. Do it.
00:57:22.210 --> 00:57:22.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:57:22.660 --> 00:57:27.130 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: But listen to your own wisdom, not what other people are feeding you.
00:57:27.330 --> 00:57:30.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right. Know your own truth in the end.
00:57:31.250 --> 00:57:34.739 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: And believe that there are good people everywhere, because there are.
00:57:34.740 --> 00:57:35.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:57:35.550 --> 00:57:39.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: absolutely. There are. There are always there.
00:57:39.160 --> 00:57:58.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: People are individuals, not not monoliths. So yes, absolutely. Unfortunately, we have to leave it there. Jeff Jennifer. Thank you so much for coming on my show today and taking time out of your busy schedule. If people want to learn more about you, learn about plenty consulting. Where should they go? How do they get in touch with you? And where do they find your book?
00:57:58.710 --> 00:58:06.210 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Awesome plentyconsulting.com, and our book is sold on Amazon and Barnes, and noble and bookshelf, or wherever
00:58:06.290 --> 00:58:14.659 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: you want to purchase it. You can also go to leadingwithlightthebook.com and download the 1st chapter for free.
00:58:14.660 --> 00:58:15.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh.
00:58:15.470 --> 00:58:23.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: very good, very good. Okay. Well, thank you all. So thank you both so much for coming on my show day. I really appreciate it. And of course.
00:58:23.240 --> 00:58:46.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in each week. Without you there is no show, so we really appreciate you coming and joining us each week. And don't forget. If you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talkradio, dot Nyc. And all over the podcasting apps Google spotify Pandora Iheartradio. Wherever you listen to podcasts, you can find the conscious consultant hour.
00:58:46.870 --> 00:58:52.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you all so much for tuning in take care we will talk to you all next week.
00:58:52.640 --> 00:58:53.530 Jennifer Mulholland | Plenty: Thanks. Sam.
00:58:54.010 --> 00:58:54.569 Jeff Shuck | Plenty: Thanks. Sam.
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