EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is pleased to welcome Information Technology Entrepreneur and Performing Musician Impresario, Bill Protzmann.
Bill’s personal mission is to raise awareness of the power of music for self-care.
He has more than 30 years of experience teaching people the power of music for mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual health, and his students range from leaders in the C-suite to people living on the street.
In 2011, Bill launched Music Care Inc, a for-purpose corporation, to teach and advocate for practical ways music can be used for your self-care. In 2014, the National Council for Behavioral Health recognized him with an Award of Excellence – the industry equivalent of winning an Oscar.
In 2023, Music Care Inc launched Musimorphic, an innovative brand with a mission to improve wellness, transformation, and joy, improve friendships and relationships, and revive the play, fun, and healing power of music.
Tune in and share your questions and comments about the healing power of musicon our YouTube livestream or on our Facebook page.
00:00:40.440 --> 00:01:10.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. I've got another wonderful show in store for you today. But first, st of course, we have my blog post from a couple of years ago, and in case you don't remember how I got started reading my blog posts at the beginning of the show.
00:01:10.490 --> 00:01:26.567 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I did it after I used to start reading a little section of my book, Everyday Awakening at the beginning of my show, which has 126 little sections, and after a couple of years I didn't have anything left, so I was like, what do I do now? So I started
00:01:26.870 --> 00:01:34.217 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just picking out blog posts, just taking them in order. From a couple of years ago. And so this is the next one in order.
00:01:34.660 --> 00:01:37.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and this blog post is entitled
00:01:37.810 --> 00:01:43.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the only limit to our abundance is our ability to receive.
00:01:44.310 --> 00:01:46.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We all make choices in life.
00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:51.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: our choice, our choices truly affect the kind of life we live.
00:01:51.850 --> 00:01:55.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We either live in abundance or scarcity.
00:01:55.830 --> 00:01:58.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It really all comes down to one thing.
00:01:59.430 --> 00:02:02.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You might think it is about visualization
00:02:02.580 --> 00:02:09.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or thinking positive. Maybe you feel you have to have the Perfect Vision board.
00:02:09.789 --> 00:02:20.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And while all these things may help you to attract the kind of life you want to live, there is still one important factor we don't often think about.
00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:29.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because this one aspect of life is something we take for granted and usually don't spend much time on.
00:02:30.140 --> 00:02:36.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is unfortunate, for this one aspect is the key that opens the door to unlock
00:02:36.870 --> 00:02:39.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the floodgates of all we desire.
00:02:40.490 --> 00:02:43.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it is probably not what you think.
00:02:44.380 --> 00:02:52.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Ultimately the key to having a good life is about how much we are willing to let in.
00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:55.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, it is about receiving.
00:02:56.550 --> 00:02:58.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We think we are good at receiving.
00:02:59.180 --> 00:03:02.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that we allow the very things we want
00:03:02.550 --> 00:03:04.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: into our lives.
00:03:04.790 --> 00:03:09.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet do we really allow life to support us to the fullest
00:03:11.190 --> 00:03:14.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when someone offers to open the door for you.
00:03:15.140 --> 00:03:17.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you allow them to do it?
00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:22.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If someone gives you a present, do you initially push it away.
00:03:23.210 --> 00:03:26.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or do you accept it with gratitude
00:03:26.740 --> 00:03:33.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when a friend offers to do something for you, do you tell them it's not necessary.
00:03:33.500 --> 00:03:36.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: especially when you could use the help.
00:03:38.500 --> 00:03:43.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: These are all little indications of how good you are at receiving.
00:03:44.440 --> 00:03:54.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for the level of fulfillment and joy in our lives is only limited to limited by how much we are willing to let in.
00:03:56.550 --> 00:04:01.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How big does a present have to be for it? To feel uncomfortable for you?
00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:10.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's the level of abundance you are comfortable with, and life cannot bring you anything more.
00:04:11.410 --> 00:04:15.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: not because life is unable to manifest more.
00:04:16.100 --> 00:04:21.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but because you are unable to allow life to give it to you.
00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:27.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So many of us are so comfortable with receiving.
00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:31.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: uncomfortable with receiving, and we do not even realize it.
00:04:32.540 --> 00:04:38.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can someone throw you a big party for your birthday without you feeling embarrassed or uncomfortable.
00:04:39.940 --> 00:04:46.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That can be a big indicator of where you are in terms of your ability to receive.
00:04:47.570 --> 00:04:53.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If you want to improve your capacity to allow more good stuff into your life.
00:04:54.500 --> 00:04:56.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: start with the small things.
00:04:57.780 --> 00:05:00.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: let someone open the door for you.
00:05:00.750 --> 00:05:03.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: allow them to give you a small gift
00:05:04.460 --> 00:05:10.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if they let you go ahead of them in line, just say thank you.
00:05:11.310 --> 00:05:12.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and mean it.
00:05:14.300 --> 00:05:20.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: being grateful when we receive. Something is the best way to allow more in
00:05:21.150 --> 00:05:29.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: our gratitude is a way of signaling to the universe that we appreciate the gift, and we can receive even more
00:05:31.430 --> 00:05:35.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so. Where in your life do you push away life's gifts?
00:05:36.950 --> 00:05:40.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can you start to allow more into your life
00:05:40.250 --> 00:05:45.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: by learning to receive just a little bit more with gratitude.
00:05:46.590 --> 00:05:47.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I wrote this a couple of years ago.
00:05:54.231 --> 00:05:56.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: After me and my wife
00:05:56.685 --> 00:06:02.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: had a little discussion about this, and and I think it was a a good friend of ours was
00:06:03.280 --> 00:06:14.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: wanted to give her something expensive, and she was like, no, no, no, no! And she she didn't want to take it, and I had a kind of cajole her into. Yeah, come on, receive it, receive it.
00:06:15.350 --> 00:06:16.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so
00:06:16.880 --> 00:06:21.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it kind of just brought up for me, and I decided to write about it
00:06:21.510 --> 00:06:24.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because I see it so often and so common
00:06:25.510 --> 00:06:33.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that people say they want abundance. People say, Oh, yeah, I want like an amazing life like that.
00:06:34.410 --> 00:06:36.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But if you pay attention
00:06:37.270 --> 00:06:41.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to their daily habits, to the little things.
00:06:41.530 --> 00:06:49.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: do they really allow themselves to receive. Now, now, I'm gonna say something that's a very broad generalization.
00:06:49.580 --> 00:06:55.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's not always true. And and this may get me in a little bit of trouble. But I'm okay with that.
00:06:56.510 --> 00:07:03.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because in my life my observation is, men are actually a little bit better at receiving than women
00:07:04.410 --> 00:07:08.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that have actually found. Women have a harder time
00:07:08.660 --> 00:07:10.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: receiving
00:07:10.700 --> 00:07:19.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: expensive gifts, receiving something from life and and pushing away. No, I don't need that. No, it's okay. No.
00:07:19.741 --> 00:07:22.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm not saying men don't do that.
00:07:22.810 --> 00:07:33.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But what I've noticed is men's tolerance for receiving is a little bit higher in general in general, and this is not always true, but in general
00:07:33.300 --> 00:07:38.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a man's ability to receive is usually a little bit higher than a woman's.
00:07:38.370 --> 00:07:42.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I think that just kind of shows the societal bias.
00:07:43.493 --> 00:08:08.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That you know men have to go out there and work hard and bring in the money, so so men feel they deserve it because they work hard. Not that women don't work ridiculously hard raising children, taking care of the home, going out and work. I mean all kinds of stuff. It's it's just, you know, society's conceptions that we're all sort of brought up and live into. I think younger people today are much better about it.
00:08:09.260 --> 00:08:10.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But
00:08:10.780 --> 00:08:16.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know this, this conversation just brought it up. And so I I kind of wrote this blog post. That was.
00:08:17.030 --> 00:08:22.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, sort of a culmination of all the things I've learned about abundance and receiving.
00:08:22.530 --> 00:08:35.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because I did have one mentor. And and he told the story of how you know when he asked his teacher. You know, how do I, you know, receive more? He said. When someone opens the door for you say thank you. And then he he said he was like
00:08:35.880 --> 00:08:54.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the grocery store the next day, and he was had this 2 big bags of groceries, and he was walking to the exit, and someone said, Oh, can I get the door for you? He goes. No, no, that's okay. And he just pushes it. The door open with his shoulder. And then he realized, Oh, my God, I'm doing the exact thing that my teacher said not to do.
00:08:55.430 --> 00:09:04.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then he started to be more conscious about it, and so he had related this story to me years ago, years ago. And now it's like, Oh, okay, I get it.
00:09:05.170 --> 00:09:11.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so I've been very. I've worked really hard at being good at
00:09:11.230 --> 00:09:14.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: receiving when somebody wants to give me something.
00:09:15.810 --> 00:09:17.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that's
00:09:17.920 --> 00:09:23.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: all kinds of things like I don't care what it is, because my view is.
00:09:23.450 --> 00:09:26.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I try not to take it personal.
00:09:27.190 --> 00:09:36.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In other words, it's not the individual person sort of giving me the present. It's life is giving me the present to support me in what I do.
00:09:37.510 --> 00:09:38.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:09:38.950 --> 00:09:47.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know somebody wants to take me out for dinner. I think this is what what kind of caused this conversation between me and my wife. I think we were.
00:09:47.180 --> 00:10:00.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We went out for a dinner with a friend, and they and it was 2 of us and one of them, and she insisted on paying for it, and my wife was like, No, no, no, no! And trying to fight over the bill, and I'm like, let her pay. It's okay. Let her pay
00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so that's like a little indication.
00:10:06.490 --> 00:10:13.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If you go out to dinner with somebody, and they want to pay for dinner. Do you let them? Do you argue with them? Do you negotiate with them, do you say? Oh, let me get the tip. Then
00:10:15.100 --> 00:10:23.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just say, yes, I mean, look, we don't got to be pigs about it, you know, as my mom would say. Don't be a snore, you know. Don't be a pig
00:10:25.060 --> 00:10:26.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but just say yes.
00:10:27.430 --> 00:10:31.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and just say it with real appreciation and gratitude.
00:10:32.790 --> 00:10:37.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and realize that it's a life's little way of
00:10:38.050 --> 00:10:42.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: supporting you and saying, Here, you're worth it. Here's more
00:10:44.050 --> 00:10:45.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so. I've
00:10:45.630 --> 00:10:52.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I learned a long time ago, and I've really practiced a lot, and I think I've gotten pretty good at receiving.
00:10:52.780 --> 00:10:56.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can I receive more? Absolutely?
00:10:56.290 --> 00:11:01.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I would love to receive more abundance, and I would appreciate it tremendously.
00:11:02.940 --> 00:11:05.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I know I have the capability to.
00:11:06.380 --> 00:11:07.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:11:09.380 --> 00:11:12.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: my invitation for this week
00:11:13.930 --> 00:11:15.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is to notice for yourself
00:11:16.420 --> 00:11:19.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how good are you at receiving?
00:11:19.540 --> 00:11:22.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How good are you at allowing somebody to
00:11:23.430 --> 00:11:26.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: open the door for you, give you a little present.
00:11:26.980 --> 00:11:38.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: give you a big presence. Where? Where does that start? To feel uncomfortable? Where do you know? Like, Oh, I'm okay receiving something worth this much. But I'm not okay receiving something worth that much.
00:11:39.620 --> 00:11:41.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And look at that. Why not
00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:47.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: cause in the end our ability to receive ultimately always comes down to our self worth.
00:11:48.270 --> 00:11:51.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The more we value ourselves.
00:11:51.400 --> 00:11:53.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the more we're
00:11:53.930 --> 00:11:57.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: willing to allow life to support us the more life will support us.
00:11:58.340 --> 00:12:00.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I've seen it over and over again.
00:12:01.340 --> 00:12:03.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that's my invitation for this week.
00:12:03.890 --> 00:12:18.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When you tune in next week, let me know. How did you do with the abundance exercise? Did you allow more in? Did did you let somebody do something for you that you normally wouldn't. Did you receive a present that you just allowed in or not?
00:12:18.620 --> 00:12:21.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's okay. If you don't just notice it.
00:12:22.460 --> 00:12:28.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: be more mindful. And then maybe next time you will be able to receive more.
00:12:28.630 --> 00:12:35.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that's my blog post. It's entitled. The only limit to our abundance is our ability to receive.
00:12:36.070 --> 00:12:42.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and you can find my blog post, of course, on talk radio dot. Nyc slash, blog.
00:12:43.350 --> 00:12:54.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And if you like my blog post, please check out my book. It's on Amazon. It's on, and all the major booksellers everyday awakening. You are more powerful than you know. It's filled with
00:12:54.430 --> 00:13:00.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: little vignettes and the little short little things for you to read that are just like my blog.
00:13:00.420 --> 00:13:06.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and of course you can always find it on the conscious consultant.com a personal site
00:13:06.350 --> 00:13:07.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: all right
00:13:07.450 --> 00:13:12.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: now it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show
00:13:12.920 --> 00:13:18.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: information technology, entrepreneur and performing music impresario bill. Protzman
00:13:19.140 --> 00:13:26.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Bill's personal mission is to raise awareness of the power of music for self care. Hmm!
00:13:26.300 --> 00:13:33.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He has more than 30 years of experience, teaching people the power of music for mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual health.
00:13:34.100 --> 00:13:38.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and his students range from leaders in the C-suite to people living on the street.
00:13:38.900 --> 00:13:49.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In 2,011, Bill launched music Care, Inc. A. 4 Purpose Corporation to teach and advocate for practical ways. Music can be used for your self care.
00:13:49.890 --> 00:13:59.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In 2,014 the National Council for Behavioral health recognized him with an award of excellence, the industry equivalent of winning an Oscar
00:13:59.880 --> 00:14:16.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in 2,023 last year musicare Inc. Launched Musomorphic, an innovative brand with a mission to improve wellness, transformation, and joy, improve friendships and relationships, and revive the play, fun and healing power of music.
00:14:16.390 --> 00:14:19.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the conscious consultant hour, Bill.
00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:23.140 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Sam, I'm listening to that bio, and
00:14:23.150 --> 00:14:28.185 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I don't know what it means to have received an Oscar from a behavioral health organization.
00:14:28.838 --> 00:14:32.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, that was a good one. I never heard of that before.
00:14:32.900 --> 00:14:34.639 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I leave that in. I have.
00:14:34.640 --> 00:14:38.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely absolutely that that'll raise some eyebrows.
00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:47.660 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Oh, you know, musicians are crazy. So I guess getting something. Getting getting an honor from an organization that's about interfering with craziness is a good thing.
00:14:47.660 --> 00:14:50.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hey, hey? Didn't I just talk about receiving.
00:14:50.100 --> 00:14:54.450 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Right right, and and I received it. Very good, very good, very good.
00:14:54.450 --> 00:15:02.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Very good. So so I'm assuming, and I don't wanna I don't want to assume. But I'm assuming you've been a musician most of your life.
00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.440 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Most of my life. Yeah, mom was a piano teacher.
00:15:05.900 --> 00:15:15.269 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and I can still play both of the songs that I learned when she was. I was 3 years old, and I was still number one. Right? So I can still play both of those songs. Not like they're hard.
00:15:15.900 --> 00:15:16.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow, that's.
00:15:16.780 --> 00:15:17.430 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Oh, yeah.
00:15:17.430 --> 00:15:18.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That was your 1st in.
00:15:18.790 --> 00:15:21.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was that your 1st instrument, the piano? Yep.
00:15:21.310 --> 00:15:23.880 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: 1st I've played a bunch since then, you know, I
00:15:24.190 --> 00:15:29.570 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: went through in middle school in California. We still had music programs when I was in middle school, so.
00:15:29.570 --> 00:15:29.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Learn, to.
00:15:29.970 --> 00:15:35.420 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Play the clarinet, and the saxophone, and and drums, and all kinds of percussion, and the French horn.
00:15:35.510 --> 00:15:38.889 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and and goodness knows, I mean, there's a bunch of things.
00:15:38.890 --> 00:15:39.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow!
00:15:39.500 --> 00:15:42.950 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: To the piano piano is hard to move. You know. You have to have something you can carry.
00:15:42.950 --> 00:15:43.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:15:43.280 --> 00:15:43.960 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: What it's.
00:15:44.402 --> 00:16:04.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's why Guitar is so popular, because you can always grab the guitar. Take it with you. I I'm I'm curious. When you were a kid, did you? Because your mom and you were so surrounded by music? Did did you feel like you were gonna Co make a living being a musician when you grew up, or were you just doing it because it was expected of you?
00:16:04.890 --> 00:16:07.450 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I think the expectation was there.
00:16:07.730 --> 00:16:16.290 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: But making a living with music was never something that you know as a classical piano player, that that I considered seriously the
00:16:17.020 --> 00:16:19.010 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: the world of classical piano.
00:16:19.170 --> 00:16:20.930 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: even back then.
00:16:21.170 --> 00:16:30.710 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: was dominated by people who are monstrous. Just yeah. Incredible talents these days. It's different because there are so many people who are monstrous.
00:16:30.710 --> 00:16:31.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:16:31.750 --> 00:16:42.060 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Domination that existed when I was growing up has spread out now, fortunately, and we can see all kinds of not just in classical piano, but in the music world in general.
00:16:42.060 --> 00:16:42.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:16:42.510 --> 00:16:44.199 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So much. It's so rich.
00:16:44.350 --> 00:16:44.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:16:44.890 --> 00:16:53.459 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So much talent that, thanks to the digital world, we can now observe and see and interact with and consume, and all the other things they tell us to do right.
00:16:53.460 --> 00:16:59.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Exactly. Exactly. Alright, Bill, let's take a quick break, and when we come back
00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I want to learn about
00:17:01.940 --> 00:17:06.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how did you go from just being a musician to like
00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:12.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: realizing it can help with healing and self care and all that other stuff cause. That's not something you
00:17:12.690 --> 00:17:15.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: commonly think of in general. So I'm.
00:17:15.349 --> 00:17:16.169 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Crazy.
00:17:16.170 --> 00:17:16.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:17:16.579 --> 00:17:17.509 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Think that. So yeah.
00:17:17.741 --> 00:17:21.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Very good question. Very good question, hey? Hey? I'm supposed to ask the good questions. I mean.
00:17:22.744 --> 00:17:23.810 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Alright!
00:17:23.810 --> 00:17:47.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to one Pm. Eastern time. That's 9 to 10 Am. Pacific time right here on talk radio, dot, Nyc and all over social media on Youtube and Facebook and Twitter and Linkedin and twitch, and we'll be right back with our guest, Bill Protzman, in just a moment.
00:20:03.550 --> 00:20:22.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious. Consult now our awakening humanity. I see we already have a comment on one of the live streams. Our loyal listener, Sanaya says, Hi, family music is a lifeblood to me. I played many instruments growing up. That's wonderful to hear, Sanaya. I I think a lot of us. I
00:20:22.990 --> 00:20:27.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I didn't. I was always lousy in music, so musicians always fascinated me. But
00:20:28.351 --> 00:20:33.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's wonderful to hear. I I know a lot of people. I have a lot of friends who
00:20:34.030 --> 00:20:43.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: they're musicians growing up. And I think it it really does become so important to us as as we grow. And
00:20:44.210 --> 00:21:04.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but I'm really curious, Bill, how did you go from just being a musician and coming from a very musical family to to this idea of using it, to help people to heal, to support them in their process, to whatever. What kind of was the genesis of that? Because you don't often think of that.
00:21:04.810 --> 00:21:15.499 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: It. Isn't that interesting? My objective here is to get it to be more often that we think of those things. Yeah, I love your question, Sam. So if you're a performing musician of any kind.
00:21:16.030 --> 00:21:17.869 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: you have to have an audience
00:21:18.330 --> 00:21:26.289 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and paying attention to what's happening in that audience is something that started to fascinate me. Very early on, I think, 5th grade I was. I became
00:21:26.300 --> 00:21:28.509 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: aware of what was happening out in the room.
00:21:28.760 --> 00:21:31.520 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and that the conversation between the
00:21:32.015 --> 00:21:35.810 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: performer on stage and the audience was part of the performance.
00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:43.900 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and nurturing that conversation was a really important thing in any performance of any kind, whether you're giving a speech
00:21:43.940 --> 00:21:45.659 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: in front of people or playing an instrument.
00:21:45.750 --> 00:21:52.169 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So that began to fascinate me. And over the years since the sting came out. I'll date myself.
00:21:52.506 --> 00:21:53.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I love this thing.
00:21:53.850 --> 00:22:03.640 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I started, you know. I noticed this when I started playing rag time, but since the sting came out it's been a while, and we've had tons of research and inquiry into generically the power of music.
00:22:04.620 --> 00:22:07.950 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: whether that's playing an instrument or singing or listening.
00:22:08.100 --> 00:22:10.849 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: The research is compelling, and
00:22:10.940 --> 00:22:15.509 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: it's something that musicians have known for thousands of years.
00:22:15.940 --> 00:22:32.139 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: thousands of years. This this predates the age of reason and and all of that stuff. One of my favorite bloggers. Ted Joya, his blog, is called the honest broker, is just doing a land office business in raising awareness for how this thing that we call the power of music
00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:35.579 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: has been with us as a civilization.
00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:37.559 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Pre historically, it's really
00:22:38.230 --> 00:22:39.089 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: we are.
00:22:39.230 --> 00:22:39.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They!
00:22:39.810 --> 00:23:07.760 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: You know, vibration and frequency and all that's great fine. But it's we vibrate. We're vibrational beings. Everything in the universe vibrates. With the exception of this wonderful thing called quantum entanglement, which we can talk about because quantum entanglement happens much faster than vibration frequency. But I began to notice this, and of course started to the study. And there came a point in my life. Yeah, musicians, I said, we're crazy. My particular craziness is a chronic depression.
00:23:09.060 --> 00:23:09.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I.
00:23:09.700 --> 00:23:13.469 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Found myself at a point in my life where I
00:23:13.660 --> 00:23:20.140 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I have been suicidally ideated, but where I found that that was trending more toward a you know, a crisis.
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:26.270 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And at that point I realized that I had an amazing tool that I could use to intervene with this.
00:23:26.870 --> 00:23:27.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so I used music.
00:23:27.950 --> 00:23:34.369 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And it literally. I mean, Sam. It saved my life. I would not be here talking to you today if that moment had not happened.
00:23:34.560 --> 00:23:35.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Ruined.
00:23:35.860 --> 00:23:42.470 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: More important thing, I think, for those who are listening about this is that, having the courage to wander down that
00:23:42.810 --> 00:23:44.049 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: shadow journey.
00:23:44.490 --> 00:23:45.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Attention.
00:23:45.410 --> 00:23:48.200 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And a tool in my backpack, right that I could use.
00:23:48.380 --> 00:23:53.180 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: That's a very powerful thing for people to understand. And and do
00:23:53.320 --> 00:23:58.529 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: we spend so much of our time pushing it away like no, no shadow journey for me. I'm fine right here. I'm happy. I'm comfortable.
00:23:59.070 --> 00:24:02.360 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: But the opportunity to take that journey in safety
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:16.200 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: has always been a component of music. Always, always, if you're listening to this, hear me! Oh, nothing else but this point the opportunity to safely explore the darkest, deepest parts of our pain. With music.
00:24:16.530 --> 00:24:16.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As it's.
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:18.759 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Listed for thousands of years and.
00:24:19.270 --> 00:24:20.600 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Take advantage of. That
00:24:20.820 --> 00:24:23.000 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: is what I hope that everyone will do.
00:24:23.435 --> 00:24:28.745 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, I just learned this past weekend. I was with my mentor out in New Jersey
00:24:29.180 --> 00:24:38.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and the the indigenous tribes in South America. You know they have this tradition of of Icarus. You know.
00:24:38.380 --> 00:24:39.560 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: About to go there.
00:24:39.560 --> 00:25:02.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and he said that, like you know, these tribes had before long before they had musical instruments, they had their chance. You know they had these singing, and then, you know, as as musical instruments were introduced to them. Then they became singers and musicians, and that became part of the healing. But but even before that, like 3,000 years ago.
00:25:02.820 --> 00:25:14.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: they would chant, you know, they they would use the power of their voice and and their song to to really support and enable the healing.
00:25:14.670 --> 00:25:20.330 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Yes, this is this is this is who we are. Humans. Are this right? We vibrate.
00:25:20.710 --> 00:25:27.409 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And if you can put that in your head like if you can get the vibration going in your head by singing or humming. Humming's a great one.
00:25:27.530 --> 00:25:27.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Organization.
00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:31.840 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Therapist that I love says when you're humming, you're not thinking so.
00:25:31.900 --> 00:25:32.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Talk, about.
00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:35.099 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Intervention for that hum.
00:25:35.210 --> 00:25:41.850 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: or if you have the skills to do it, and can play the the upright double bass, you know that I play in the symphonies that.
00:25:41.850 --> 00:25:42.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Playing with.
00:25:42.270 --> 00:25:44.539 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Right against your chest or the violin.
00:25:45.600 --> 00:25:51.899 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Or, in my case with the acoustic piano. This doesn't work with a keyboard. I can feel the vibrations of my fingertips.
00:25:53.286 --> 00:25:54.160 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: That that
00:25:54.990 --> 00:25:58.480 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: fundamental transmission of the vibration.
00:25:58.770 --> 00:25:59.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:25:59.260 --> 00:26:02.179 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Playing or singing is so incredibly powerful.
00:26:02.380 --> 00:26:05.160 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and you can get that with cans. I mean, you can put head on headphones and get.
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:05.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Somehow.
00:26:06.910 --> 00:26:08.670 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Especially the bone conducting ones.
00:26:08.670 --> 00:26:13.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right, and I know like for for people who are deaf.
00:26:13.460 --> 00:26:21.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: they sometimes, you know, they put their hands on the floor, they feel it, and and they can feel the vibration. But but like
00:26:22.990 --> 00:26:30.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: W. Was there particular instance? Or there was there something that that you know when you were healing, that it was like, oh, this helped
00:26:30.130 --> 00:26:36.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like this! Really, I want to use this to help other people like, what would? What flip that switch for you.
00:26:36.170 --> 00:26:40.599 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Yes, the the actual sort of encouragement for that came as a as a gift.
00:26:42.270 --> 00:26:51.089 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I have, as many of us have been in therapy for a while, and my therapist at the time saw one of my one man shows
00:26:51.530 --> 00:26:57.340 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and said, Bill, would you do this for my for my small group? And she had a small group of other therapists.
00:26:58.230 --> 00:27:00.959 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And so I gave the performance for them.
00:27:01.060 --> 00:27:08.769 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: They helped me to realize that the power of what was going on in this performance was more than just a nice story.
00:27:09.950 --> 00:27:12.899 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Creator. Right? So you tell everything in the form of a story. Even a concert is a story.
00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:13.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:27:13.840 --> 00:27:29.029 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And that opened the door to working with caregivers for Alzheimer's and dementia, and that opened the door to working with post traumatic stress veterans, and that opened the door to working with homeless people. And along the way, you know, other like people in normal life.
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:30.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:27:30.260 --> 00:27:35.500 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Experiencing great trauma, I started to jump up and say, Bill, what what is this all about? Can you help me.
00:27:35.500 --> 00:27:36.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So.
00:27:36.010 --> 00:27:38.329 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Yeah, I owe it all the therapy, Sam.
00:27:39.149 --> 00:27:43.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But it's been a great.
00:27:43.250 --> 00:27:44.230 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Agile awareness
00:27:45.390 --> 00:27:54.259 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: has become my, has become my mission to be the voice for encouraging people to bring music more closely to their care.
00:27:54.710 --> 00:28:03.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, hmm! A a long time ago. I don't know. A long time. A few years ago. I can't remember when.
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:08.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: whether it was before the pandemic or after the pandemic. I had a gentleman on my show
00:28:09.260 --> 00:28:12.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who was not a professional musician, but he played guitar.
00:28:13.520 --> 00:28:19.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and he was. He went to a hospital to see. I I don't know. I think one of his
00:28:19.520 --> 00:28:35.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: parents or something, and and it would play guitar for him. And then one of the nurses asked him if oh, could you play it for this person who's like on dementia, you know, was Alzheimer's, or and play for them, and they would calm down. And then he started volunteering, and he would just
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:42.174 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: sit in people's rooms and and would interact with them. And he'd just play music for them.
00:28:42.580 --> 00:28:46.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and he said how like their whole being shifted.
00:28:46.670 --> 00:28:48.359 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Every time, every time.
00:28:48.360 --> 00:28:49.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:28:49.510 --> 00:28:59.940 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Have come out of comas to music. I can share an article with you by Ted Joya. That explains how this works. Right? It's just it's this is happening all around us. It's amazing to me that more people aren't aware right.
00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:00.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:29:00.950 --> 00:29:01.820 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: As we need it.
00:29:02.290 --> 00:29:04.855 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, absolutely absolutely
00:29:06.535 --> 00:29:16.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I'm just curious. So so you you started you, you did this, you know group for your therapist. You you started getting, you know, doing things for different groups, different people.
00:29:18.034 --> 00:29:18.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It.
00:29:18.810 --> 00:29:28.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How long did it take before you decided like, you realized, like, you really had something here, and you wanted to dive more fully into it.
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:30.440 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: How long?
00:29:31.090 --> 00:29:34.353 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: It's been a lifetime, and I'm still diving into it.
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:39.130 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: The opportunity that really sort of triggered me
00:29:39.570 --> 00:29:54.110 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: to do this more consciously came with an organization called guitars for vets and guitars for vets, teaches veterans with post-traumatic stress to play the guitar. No music therapy, involved no music. No board certified music therapists here but playing that guitar
00:29:54.550 --> 00:29:57.340 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: helps you process post-traumatic stress. And the research we have.
00:29:57.340 --> 00:29:57.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Rose.
00:29:57.950 --> 00:30:01.979 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Since then indicates that it's not really post-traumatic stress. It's post traumatic growth.
00:30:02.550 --> 00:30:06.579 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So that pain that that trauma that you're fearing you're experiencing
00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:09.090 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: our systems deal with that really? Well.
00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:09.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That we.
00:30:09.990 --> 00:30:11.840 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Allow them to, and we've been pushing back.
00:30:11.840 --> 00:30:12.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Against.
00:30:12.270 --> 00:30:13.620 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Drama and pain, and
00:30:13.990 --> 00:30:15.530 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: embrace it, embrace the same.
00:30:15.530 --> 00:30:17.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like, as we like to say.
00:30:17.030 --> 00:30:17.960 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And
00:30:18.570 --> 00:30:21.350 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: do that with a modality that will change you.
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:22.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Emt.
00:30:22.210 --> 00:30:33.900 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: You know, tapping or music, you pick a modality, but we're really good at processing that Ryan Holiday has written about this in all of his stoic books over and over.
00:30:33.950 --> 00:30:36.130 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: This is now sort of common knowledge.
00:30:36.270 --> 00:30:40.299 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Yeah. So, seeing that happen with veterans right in front of me, playing the guitar
00:30:40.310 --> 00:30:50.389 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: was transformative, and it really got me off the dime to where I started music care incorporated, and really put my my entire will. And being behind this.
00:30:50.750 --> 00:30:52.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful.
00:30:53.010 --> 00:31:03.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. And like the work of Peter Levine, you know all about the somatic, somatic, experiencing and stuff. It's really there's so much out there to to help and support people.
00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:18.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: okay, we're gonna take a quick break when we come back. I I just want to ask you, you described music care? Inc as a 4 purpose corporation, what that is. And then what was the
00:31:18.780 --> 00:31:22.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: genesis of Musomorphic? And and what is that all about? Okay.
00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:23.980 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: You got it.
00:31:24.210 --> 00:31:30.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hi! Wonderful! So everybody, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity.
00:31:31.210 --> 00:31:39.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our guest this hour is bill protsman, music musician extraordinaire, and we will be right back in just a moment.
00:33:47.790 --> 00:33:56.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so, Bill, in your bio. It says, in 2,011 you launched Musicare, Inc. A. 4. Purpose corporation. What does that mean?
00:33:56.500 --> 00:33:57.999 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Oh, what a great question
00:33:58.020 --> 00:33:59.650 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I like to lead by example.
00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:02.050 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and to do that
00:34:02.080 --> 00:34:04.920 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: in a capitalist society
00:34:05.610 --> 00:34:11.780 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: his is demanding, because we hear a lot about the negative aspects of capitalism.
00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:15.659 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: but by offering a
00:34:15.810 --> 00:34:17.230 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: a through line
00:34:17.330 --> 00:34:20.199 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: for anyone who does business with music, care
00:34:20.610 --> 00:34:27.260 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: where they know that some portion of what we're doing is not going in our pockets. It's going back to organizations that need it.
00:34:27.510 --> 00:34:29.290 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Nonprofits.
00:34:29.300 --> 00:34:45.710 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I think that's an important thing for us these days. Yeah, if more of the you know, the giant companies had that sort of through line, we'd be in a better place. This is not my idea. The advocate for this is none other than Dan Pilata, who was also a musician, but who led
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:48.560 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: an incredible organization for a while.
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.840 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: That raised so much money
00:34:50.929 --> 00:34:58.209 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: for things like cancer race for the cure. Whatever all those those big rides. That was Dan's idea.
00:34:58.210 --> 00:34:59.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it.
00:34:59.180 --> 00:35:05.960 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Got the organizations that were receiving the funds so scared about it because it was costing, you know, a lot of money to raise millions of dollars.
00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:06.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So Dan.
00:35:06.770 --> 00:35:12.519 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Idea is that businesses can do this like we can apply the business principles to how we fund
00:35:12.690 --> 00:35:15.100 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: social awareness, social issues.
00:35:15.100 --> 00:35:15.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Some.
00:35:15.930 --> 00:35:18.759 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Health care, just like there's so many ways that this could work.
00:35:18.970 --> 00:35:19.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who's.
00:35:19.610 --> 00:35:23.349 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So I've known about Dan for a long time. His Ted talk, I think, was back in the 2,000,
00:35:23.570 --> 00:35:26.860 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and it encouraged me to do a 4 purpose.
00:35:26.930 --> 00:35:33.199 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: There are some States in the United States where you can legally do this four-purpose tax structure.
00:35:33.250 --> 00:35:34.590 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: It's not everywhere yet.
00:35:34.970 --> 00:35:37.120 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: There's B corps out there. The B. Corp.
00:35:37.490 --> 00:35:41.439 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: That certifies companies, which is a rigorous vetting. Yeah.
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:42.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:35:42.040 --> 00:35:45.720 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Back. But you you know you've heard the names. Patagonia does this.
00:35:45.720 --> 00:35:46.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This is a very open.
00:35:46.530 --> 00:35:53.960 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: There are others that do. And I wanted to be part of that. You know, it's important to me, so we give back our give back is to veterans, to homeless.
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.860 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: There's a there's a need for this in the world.
00:35:59.030 --> 00:36:04.919 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and this kind of awareness is something that while it's not, you know, I don't lead with it. It's part of what we are part of our ethos. Yeah.
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:05.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:16.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah, I I don't often talk about it on the show. But the radio station and talk radio. We support sort of 2 causes at the moment charity water.
00:36:16.430 --> 00:36:38.128 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because I'm a big believer that, like, you know, water is a basic right. And and you need good. You need drinking water just to survive. So, like everyone should have access to drinking water. And when we also support girls Inc. Which is a a nonprofit for helping inner city. Disadvantaged girls like get better education, better services.
00:36:38.966 --> 00:36:40.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I just feel like.
00:36:41.050 --> 00:36:55.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, actually, we we did it a couple few years ago. We haven't like revoted, but I had all the hosts of the network vote on, like, you know, we had a small list of like nonprofits that we nominated, and that was the one that got the most votes. So support.
00:36:55.612 --> 00:36:58.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So tell us about music, Musomorphic.
00:36:58.210 --> 00:37:00.120 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So pusomorphic is
00:37:00.410 --> 00:37:05.419 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: where I put a stake in the ground and said, I'm going to separate now from the intervention
00:37:05.620 --> 00:37:06.869 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: side of music.
00:37:07.270 --> 00:37:09.659 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And move toward the invitation side of music.
00:37:09.910 --> 00:37:21.280 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: There's so much work that's happening in intervention, and I'm going to mention music therapy again. But board certified music therapists, sound healing, sound baths. Whatever. All of these things that are about stopping the pain.
00:37:21.620 --> 00:37:22.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.989 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Are so essential right now, because until you realize that you can.
00:37:26.170 --> 00:37:28.632 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: you're going to be in pain. Right? So
00:37:29.050 --> 00:37:43.419 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: hooray for intervention. And I've done a lot of that work, as you know, with post-traumatic stress veterans and homeless people people in recovery, and I still do volunteer in that area. But my big curiosity with Musomorphic is, how can it change us? How can it transform us? What is the.
00:37:43.420 --> 00:37:44.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Opportunity. We.
00:37:44.230 --> 00:37:46.240 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Have afterward pain, free.
00:37:46.640 --> 00:37:47.530 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: right.
00:37:48.080 --> 00:37:50.000 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Like, they say, what is normal anymore.
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:50.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:37:50.350 --> 00:37:54.720 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And it doesn't. It's no mistake to me that Musomorphic coincided with the pandemic
00:37:55.030 --> 00:37:58.919 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and that, looking forward to see what's possible
00:37:59.020 --> 00:38:01.199 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: with this music thing, this technology.
00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:01.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Really cool.
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:14.099 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Music is a really important area right now, where there are not many pioneers. So I I accepted the challenge, and Musomorphic is all about pioneering that space. What can we do in the spiritual consciousness? Space, right.
00:38:14.100 --> 00:38:18.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So what what have you found? We can do in this in this space.
00:38:18.620 --> 00:38:25.479 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Oh, my gosh! So you're going to love this listeners! Law of attraction came to my awareness fairly early.
00:38:25.790 --> 00:38:29.300 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: but alongside that came this.
00:38:29.850 --> 00:38:32.790 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I don't want to say it's mind over matter. We called it that for a while.
00:38:33.160 --> 00:38:41.179 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: As a man thinketh so he is right. Those are obviously part of what our intention brings to us.
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:46.259 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So, having clear intentions, is a very powerful part of the healing journey.
00:38:46.510 --> 00:38:50.650 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: It's also a very powerful part of the invitational journey. The heroic journey.
00:38:51.380 --> 00:38:53.999 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And those who are doing this work.
00:38:54.350 --> 00:38:59.939 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Interestingly enough, this relates to quantum physics and quantum entanglement that I mentioned mentioned earlier
00:38:59.990 --> 00:39:06.689 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: have discovered that 17 seconds of focus helps to start the process of receiving.
00:39:08.390 --> 00:39:10.570 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Tension to receive something
00:39:10.810 --> 00:39:20.500 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: you need to focus on. You need to bring your attention to it for 17 seconds, which is the minimum threshold. If you could do it 4 times that 68 seconds.
00:39:20.510 --> 00:39:22.160 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: then you're in the sweet spot.
00:39:22.620 --> 00:39:23.350 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Well.
00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:27.690 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I have yet to find a piece of music that lasts only 17 seconds.
00:39:27.690 --> 00:39:28.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:39:30.750 --> 00:39:34.710 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And it turns out that by aligning your intentions.
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.409 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: your your willingness to receive, to put it into data.
00:39:37.410 --> 00:39:38.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: These terms.
00:39:39.357 --> 00:39:42.159 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: By aligning your intention with music.
00:39:43.100 --> 00:39:49.179 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: you're able to bring your awareness for a lot longer than 68 seconds.
00:39:50.030 --> 00:39:52.149 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Because as long as you are in the music.
00:39:52.290 --> 00:39:56.259 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: with your intention, you're open, you're welcome.
00:39:56.260 --> 00:39:57.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Coming, yet.
00:39:57.970 --> 00:40:03.719 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And not only are you welcoming it like thinking about it up here, but head, heart, body, and soul. You're feeling it
00:40:03.830 --> 00:40:15.039 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: in the heart. Your physical being is aligned. All the molecules are lined up with all the vibrations, and blah blah, I mean, we can get into the lab, but you're physically aligned right? That's all cool.
00:40:15.250 --> 00:40:19.000 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: But the most important part of this is that you're spiritually aligned all the stuff that's.
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:19.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Science.
00:40:19.470 --> 00:40:20.710 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Doesn't measure, yet
00:40:20.900 --> 00:40:23.620 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: is also aligned with your intention.
00:40:23.830 --> 00:40:26.610 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: as you are experiencing it within music.
00:40:27.180 --> 00:40:27.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and.
00:40:27.970 --> 00:40:29.909 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Music is the only modality that does that.
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:38.170 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I mean it. It incorporates everything, incorporates the somatic, it incorporates the mental, the neurological. It incorporates the emotional
00:40:39.200 --> 00:40:55.219 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and all the stuff that we don't measure, which I call spiritual. Thanks, nod to science. But way beyond that I mean, musicians can grapple with paradox. We know that we can experience multiple emotions simultaneously. And it's not scary. All of these wonderful things that we can
00:40:55.270 --> 00:40:58.420 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: say about what music does. Yeah, they're there.
00:40:58.890 --> 00:40:59.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:40:59.370 --> 00:41:04.119 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: That off by taking a pill, I mean, hey? So maybe your pain's gone. But now what?
00:41:04.290 --> 00:41:07.259 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Yeah? And you know, and I respect that because pain isn't fun.
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:08.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:41:08.510 --> 00:41:16.309 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: But there's so much more, there's just so much more. And and why are we waiting? I mean, we have this opportunity right.
00:41:16.620 --> 00:41:19.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So. So what have you seen like? Have you seen
00:41:19.630 --> 00:41:26.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: people actually shift from engaging this way like like, what have you seen in real life?
00:41:26.590 --> 00:41:33.329 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I have the great sort of privilege of hanging out with people at a very high end resort. That's all about health and wellness.
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:42.260 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Every week. It's it's 1 of my outside jobs. And, by the way, I'm very glad to to mention the name, because the Golden door has a give back, and therefore purpose.
00:41:42.260 --> 00:41:42.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's like.
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.749 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Is so that alignment turned out to be really wonderful.
00:41:45.750 --> 00:41:46.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Perfect.
00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:57.030 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Their give back is to get out in front of primarily sexual abuse of women and trafficking. I love to have a give back, anyway, the people who come to this resort are are special.
00:41:59.110 --> 00:42:05.670 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: They have the means, of course, to be there, but they also have in some ways the luxury of
00:42:05.750 --> 00:42:08.179 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: being able to look beyond
00:42:08.240 --> 00:42:09.320 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: the pain right.
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:09.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:42:09.980 --> 00:42:13.749 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Beyond the business beyond the bank account.
00:42:14.200 --> 00:42:18.000 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: They're in a place where they're open to some spiritual transformation.
00:42:18.590 --> 00:42:25.350 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and one of the great joys of working with people in that environment is that you can see the lights come on, you know, when it happens.
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:31.399 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And as we listen together to the music that individual people choose the music they love.
00:42:31.470 --> 00:42:40.830 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: You can see this new awareness coming into their face. Their visit changes, and many times it's like watching the child come out right watching.
00:42:40.830 --> 00:42:41.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Child cannot.
00:42:41.520 --> 00:42:46.080 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Play many times at their tears, because it's an overwhelming emotional moment
00:42:46.290 --> 00:42:49.700 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: when you realize that music is doing these things to you right.
00:42:49.930 --> 00:42:52.260 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and and you welcome them. You receive them
00:42:52.450 --> 00:43:01.640 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: right, and not only do you receive them, they they change you. You can get the the field, that's the spine tingling happens the Asmr.
00:43:01.720 --> 00:43:03.499 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: All of these
00:43:03.560 --> 00:43:05.760 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: physical sort of symptoms
00:43:05.950 --> 00:43:09.210 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: indicate that that change has taken place.
00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:20.030 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And it's it's beautiful to watch that, Sam. It's beautiful to be the facilitator for that, knowing that it's music that's doing. It is even more important, though you know.
00:43:20.323 --> 00:43:32.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I have a question, though, about one thing. You say they pick the music. So there's not like a specific kind of music that does this? It sounds like so so what is it? Because I mean, you can be just
00:43:32.560 --> 00:43:38.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: walking down the street listening to music on your phone. And and you're not necessarily going to have that experience.
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:44.549 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: True. Yes, it's there's an amount amount of attention that you can bring to it. That will change things.
00:43:44.610 --> 00:43:45.820 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So
00:43:45.850 --> 00:43:53.419 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: the research that we have says that the and this is music therapy research. But the music that is most powerful for you is the music you love.
00:43:54.540 --> 00:43:59.109 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So once we can discover what that music is. In that particular moment.
00:43:59.990 --> 00:44:01.190 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: We can use that.
00:44:02.950 --> 00:44:04.600 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And that's not hard to do.
00:44:04.640 --> 00:44:09.080 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: but it does involve a little bit of questioning to find out where you are right now
00:44:09.100 --> 00:44:10.340 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and then
00:44:10.490 --> 00:44:21.340 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: allow the part of you. That's the subconscious part, not the favorite choosing pattern matcher part, but the part of you that says, Oh, this is the music that I'm resonating with right now to let that come up.
00:44:22.770 --> 00:44:25.790 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: That's that's the power right there, that's the power of music.
00:44:26.420 --> 00:44:32.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And you said, it's what's resonating with me right now, so it doesn't have to be the same kind of music all the time.
00:44:32.450 --> 00:44:33.670 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: No, no, I mean.
00:44:33.770 --> 00:44:36.280 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: there are people who will go back to.
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:41.340 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I think it's because they've been told they have to have music at 432 hertz right.
00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:41.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The.
00:44:41.790 --> 00:44:44.650 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: To have a you know. Solfeggio tone of for love.
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:46.480 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Fine! Great!
00:44:47.850 --> 00:44:50.420 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: But I have had very few of those kinds of people.
00:44:50.910 --> 00:44:51.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:44:51.460 --> 00:44:55.919 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Most people will, will go back to a song that was important to them in adolescence, or maybe a song.
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:56.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: One, that.
00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:02.549 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: As they were married, or, you know, some important moment of life will have that music for them.
00:45:02.830 --> 00:45:04.270 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and
00:45:04.290 --> 00:45:05.609 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: that music.
00:45:05.630 --> 00:45:09.600 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: that music, that kind of music is so much more powerful than a tone.
00:45:10.270 --> 00:45:10.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:45:10.720 --> 00:45:17.939 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Said, humming earlier. I'll stand by that, but it's it's not about the pitch or the frequency or the it's about what's working on you holistically.
00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:18.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What do you.
00:45:18.330 --> 00:45:20.240 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: What do you experience
00:45:20.290 --> 00:45:23.730 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: with this music? That's that you love? That's part of you already.
00:45:24.240 --> 00:45:32.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I mean for for me, when I was growing up in high school, the music was most impactful for me was, I guess, what they consider now classic rock, or.
00:45:32.270 --> 00:45:33.030 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Yeah, yeah, right on.
00:45:33.030 --> 00:45:41.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or or like the music of the sixties and seventies which you know, some of that can be pretty hard beat. You wouldn't think of that as healing music necessarily. But
00:45:42.150 --> 00:45:46.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the lyrics, the memories around it mean quite a lot to me.
00:45:46.830 --> 00:45:49.849 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Yeah. So you have to bring all of that comes in right.
00:45:49.850 --> 00:45:50.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:45:50.260 --> 00:45:51.460 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And
00:45:51.600 --> 00:45:57.519 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: that's what we're talking about with head, heart, body, and soul, because all aspects of it, the head needs to hear the lyrics right and the and.
00:45:57.520 --> 00:45:58.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No.
00:45:58.090 --> 00:46:00.680 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: The body needs to feel the beat and the heart.
00:46:00.680 --> 00:46:01.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Needs to.
00:46:01.090 --> 00:46:03.359 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Resonate with the emotions that are connected to all of.
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Man, right? Yeah.
00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:08.749 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And all of those things are really vastly important to us, as we.
00:46:08.750 --> 00:46:09.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Process. Music.
00:46:09.850 --> 00:46:20.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful. All right, Bill. We we have to take our last break of the show when we come back. I'd love to hear a little bit more about, like
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:32.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the the transformational power of this, like, what have you seen and people that you've worked with like, how have they transformed after having this kind of experience with music. Okay.
00:46:33.040 --> 00:46:33.890 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Definitely.
00:46:34.040 --> 00:46:50.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Awesome. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We do do this every Thursday 12 noon to one Pm. Eastern time with fascinating guests like my guest this hour, Bill Protzman, and we'll be right back to tie it all up in just a moment.
00:48:58.630 --> 00:49:00.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, Bill.
00:49:01.230 --> 00:49:11.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I, we get the idea of the transformative power of music. But how have you seen it like actually transform someone's life.
00:49:12.170 --> 00:49:16.490 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: This is such a great question. And I get to witness so many of these
00:49:16.680 --> 00:49:18.600 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: transformations regularly.
00:49:19.510 --> 00:49:20.670 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: There's a
00:49:20.720 --> 00:49:23.039 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: a whole slew of them on my website.
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:29.039 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: One of those testimonials comes from a guy who was having cancer treatment. And during his infusions he
00:49:29.070 --> 00:49:32.109 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: just independently, without telling me or anything. You listen to my CD.
00:49:32.640 --> 00:49:33.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm! I.
00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:37.219 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I wasn't around, but he was familiar with what I was teaching at the time, and
00:49:37.870 --> 00:49:38.720 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: this
00:49:39.310 --> 00:49:40.460 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: this music
00:49:40.890 --> 00:49:43.250 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: resonated with him. Somehow. Right?
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:44.849 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: He's cancer free.
00:49:45.140 --> 00:49:45.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:54.999 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I'm not saying that I did any of that, but I was glad to be there with him virtually during that process. You know. I'm glad that he found the music was soothing and calming, and all of that.
00:49:56.600 --> 00:50:09.409 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I'll never know how many people heard it. But for a while that same CD. Was the music on hold for the Child Protective Services Division of the County of Orange in California.
00:50:09.410 --> 00:50:10.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow!
00:50:10.100 --> 00:50:18.659 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: If you can imagine calling in, somebody had realized that they needed to change up their music right? Because people calling into child protective services are often very stressed.
00:50:18.660 --> 00:50:19.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:50:19.390 --> 00:50:22.479 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So I was. I was grateful that that came along came my way.
00:50:23.720 --> 00:50:32.220 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: One of the other ways that you see this as a performer is watching in the audience what's happening to people as they? They actually listen to music.
00:50:32.620 --> 00:50:33.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If you happen to.
00:50:33.180 --> 00:50:36.949 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Play something that changes them. You can see that change taking place.
00:50:37.230 --> 00:50:37.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As you, as you.
00:50:37.810 --> 00:50:40.100 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Watch your audience. Right? Yeah.
00:50:40.540 --> 00:50:43.600 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: but more personally, to get it down to a personal level.
00:50:45.160 --> 00:50:50.059 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I have seen veterans in guitars for vets pick up the guitar
00:50:50.230 --> 00:50:55.310 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and combat hardened veterans who are just, you know, like as as grim as it gets.
00:50:55.310 --> 00:50:55.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Squeak.
00:50:55.720 --> 00:50:57.720 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Off the street addicted.
00:50:58.630 --> 00:51:02.029 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: begin with the guitar, and just dissolve into tears.
00:51:02.270 --> 00:51:03.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:51:03.130 --> 00:51:08.440 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Has changed inside of them right? And it's like a bell you can't unring. Once you've had that experience.
00:51:09.080 --> 00:51:10.669 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: you want more of it right.
00:51:10.850 --> 00:51:11.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:51:11.510 --> 00:51:16.530 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And and that's not anything I'm doing except handing a guitar to a veteran and saying, Hey, let's play some music here.
00:51:17.330 --> 00:51:18.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:51:18.200 --> 00:51:21.100 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Those kinds of experiences just get into you
00:51:21.630 --> 00:51:23.120 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and
00:51:23.380 --> 00:51:27.290 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and they motivate me to want to do more of that kind of thing.
00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:37.149 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: There's so much research out there about what music therapy is doing. I like to refer back to alive inside, which is a documentary that was made years ago by music, therapists
00:51:37.630 --> 00:51:42.870 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: playing music for people in memory care, and these are people with no effect, and you can
00:51:42.890 --> 00:51:53.479 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: play music for them that they love. And and they've come alive with that, and start to communicate and be, you know, conversant for a moment or 2. I've had some experience with dementia in family and family and friends.
00:51:53.640 --> 00:51:56.690 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and I got to tell you, Sam, there's resistance.
00:51:57.070 --> 00:51:58.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, when.
00:51:58.560 --> 00:52:01.320 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Takes is just the willingness to make a little music together right.
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:02.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:52:02.180 --> 00:52:03.400 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: That's a beautiful thing.
00:52:03.620 --> 00:52:11.159 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: The last thing I want to mention is a guy that I met I'm still friends with when I was doing volunteer work with homeless people is
00:52:11.220 --> 00:52:11.979 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: is
00:52:13.110 --> 00:52:14.489 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: He deals with schizophrenia.
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:15.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:52:15.860 --> 00:52:20.589 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: And the only way that he can dial himself down to a level where he can function
00:52:20.600 --> 00:52:24.800 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and talk with the rest of us is to stack up multiple binaural beats
00:52:24.970 --> 00:52:27.570 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: because that slows his brain down enough.
00:52:27.570 --> 00:52:28.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or you can.
00:52:28.080 --> 00:52:29.740 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Be like, you know, quote normal.
00:52:30.500 --> 00:52:33.659 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: and that's a tool. He uses it all the time.
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.649 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So the music that many of us would turn away from or think is too much
00:52:37.720 --> 00:52:41.539 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: metal is a good example of that, especially all the genres of metal that are out there.
00:52:41.540 --> 00:52:42.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wasn't that.
00:52:42.700 --> 00:52:48.119 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Pop is another one that music can bring us to a place where we are able to be
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:50.870 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: unaffected for a while.
00:52:50.870 --> 00:52:52.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't. Hmm.
00:52:52.050 --> 00:52:54.620 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: All of the crazy that's around us, whether that's a.
00:52:54.620 --> 00:52:55.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:52:55.010 --> 00:52:56.500 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Mental or emotional issue.
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:57.880 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: or
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:02.540 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: just the the danger of being, you know, living in certain parts of the world. Yeah.
00:53:02.540 --> 00:53:03.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:53:03.300 --> 00:53:05.169 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Give you comfort in that way.
00:53:06.110 --> 00:53:11.800 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: We've talked a lot about memory care here, but the ability of music to relieve pain
00:53:12.120 --> 00:53:18.340 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: is profound, particularly at end of life, and I've had the great privilege of performing, live for people near the end of life, and.
00:53:18.340 --> 00:53:18.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh!
00:53:18.850 --> 00:53:23.009 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Allowing them to be in a place with their loved ones, where they can
00:53:23.230 --> 00:53:29.739 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: feel good, I guess, is a good way of saying that, and you can see the change take place on their faces as well. During the performance.
00:53:30.207 --> 00:53:37.222 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I see we we have a new loyal listener, Shahin mia says, awesome
00:53:38.310 --> 00:53:52.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so you you briefly mentioned. We don't only have a couple of minutes left. But how do you work with people like like, what what does your organization do now? And so so like, how do people like work with this.
00:53:53.020 --> 00:53:57.070 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So there are 2 ways that I sort of show up in the world. One is as an educator.
00:53:57.130 --> 00:54:01.409 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: because there's quite a bit about music that's fundamental that most people don't understand.
00:54:01.450 --> 00:54:07.129 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: With that understanding and education. Then comes the consultative part of what I do, which is, how do we apply that
00:54:07.460 --> 00:54:11.970 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: if you're a business owner, how do we apply this in your business? If you're trying to? If you're trying to solve a a.
00:54:12.180 --> 00:54:17.300 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: A group issue. How do we work with your group to to resolve that issue musically.
00:54:18.630 --> 00:54:39.230 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: The opportunities for that are so vast right now, with all the divisiveness in the world. But music goes below that. It gets to a foundational level, where all of what we think and do is motivated by this more fundamental thing that's at the core of who we are and music unlocks. That. So, being able to work with those groups or with individuals who are doing that is, is a great privilege as well.
00:54:40.650 --> 00:54:42.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
00:54:42.890 --> 00:55:07.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well, Bill, I really appreciate you taking your time to come on my show today and talk about this. I think you know, music is such an important topic, and the fact that we we think of it as just something nice to help us relax. But it's so much more, and it can be so much more for us. If if people want to learn more about your work, learn more about what you do, where would they go.
00:55:08.690 --> 00:55:19.179 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: There are so many ways, if you can. If you're watching this right now, you can see Musomorphic, and the spelling is right there above my head. If not, it'll be in the show notes. There's Musomorphic com, of course.
00:55:19.780 --> 00:55:32.141 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: The best way of finding sort of a summary is to use the link tree, though, and I'll make sure that you have that for your show notes as well, because the Link Tree lets me offer a whole bunch of different things, like individuals, groups.
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:48.360 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: there's content. There's of course, there's tons of music out there. So all the social links to all the music streamers are there. I'm on spotify and apple music and all the places where music is played. And there's plenty of Youtube videos. So it's, you know, I've been at this a while. So 30 years of content.
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:48.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:55:48.870 --> 00:55:53.289 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: For you to consume. I oh, I we gotta do that! Something different with that phrase.
00:55:53.290 --> 00:55:53.944 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:55:54.600 --> 00:56:00.909 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: Original authentic. The albums that are out there were completely created in the moment no AI involved.
00:56:02.300 --> 00:56:08.850 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: So there's there's many ways to do that. But musomorphic, of course.com or Google, me, Bill Protzman, you'll find plenty of stuff.
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:15.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. Thank you, Bill. Well, one last question before we trail off. What's next for Bill Protzman.
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.320 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: It's happening right now.
00:56:18.520 --> 00:56:19.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:56:19.250 --> 00:56:29.549 Bill Protzmann, San Diego, CA: I have some incredible multimedia opportunities that are happening live. And I'm sort of advising on one of those projects right now, and it's fascinating to watch the immersive power of music take place. Yeah.
00:56:29.580 --> 00:56:45.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, these immersive experiences are becoming more and more popular, and I'm seeing more and more of them so wonderful. Well, thank you, Bill, I I wish you the best. I I really appreciate what you do and and how you do it. So thank you for coming on the show today, and of course.
00:56:45.670 --> 00:56:49.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in every week
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00:56:56.970 --> 00:57:04.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on talk radio dot, Nyc on all the major podcasting platforms, apple, Google spotify Pandora Iheart, radio.
00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:10.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and of course, all over social media on Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin and Twitch.
00:57:10.620 --> 00:57:24.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you all for tuning in coming up right after the show, of course, is Dr. Richard Lewis Miller and his show, mind, body, health, and politics followed later today at 5 Pm. With Frank Harrison and his show Frank about health.
00:57:24.750 --> 00:57:29.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and thank you all for tuning in. We will talk to you all next week.
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