[NEW EPISODE] Plant-based growing to wellness

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Please join us this week as we are joined with Jeff Booker of CannaCoverage, His diverse background and experience allows him to leverage the right resources for engagement while coordinating teams of specialized experts for the purpose of creating better financial and non-financial outcomes for all his stakeholders.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffbooker/

Biohacking, Strategic, Tactical, Wellness

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00:00:39.340 --> 00:00:42.950 JACK THOMAS: Good afternoon, everybody, Jack Thomas, at the happy spot.

00:00:43.180 --> 00:01:04.860 JACK THOMAS: We are fortunate to have our partner here, Sarah Mcgee, always working every day as our community advocate, Jeff Booker, public servant, advocate in the plant-based community, and Gaetano, our faithful leader. Since 1978, coming out of the medical health world and leading the mushroom community

00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:08.880 JACK THOMAS: today is going to be the beginning of the beginning.

00:01:09.610 --> 00:01:11.520 JACK THOMAS: At 58 years old.

00:01:11.670 --> 00:01:14.689 JACK THOMAS: I'll put it out there. Happy Jack.

00:01:14.710 --> 00:01:38.060 JACK THOMAS: Jack Thomas, all the people looking to make wellness, and I'm 58 for 44 years been in and out of smoking cannabis, and we're never supposed to say it. But when the young people go, how's the old guy like you? Look at him? I said. Yep, the pale skin guy wearing the collared shirt. It's when it's the open conversations that give people liberation and freedom.

00:01:38.080 --> 00:02:06.119 JACK THOMAS: So at the happy spot, I am blessed to have Mr. Booker and Jeff please share with us a little bit about who you are, and and your background. You have a 30 year history in New Jersey, serving the community. Second generation that I remember, father coming out of the sheriff's department again, a man in the community that history. And now, all of a sudden, this is legal. Oh, oh, tell me more.

00:02:06.360 --> 00:02:24.970 Jeff Booker: Well, thank you. I certainly appreciate the opportunity to be on today again. My name is Jeff Booker. I am the founder and chief operating officer of Cana coverage insurance services. We provide insurance consulting and risk management, consulting services designed for the cannabis and psychedelic industry

00:02:25.356 --> 00:02:44.053 Jeff Booker: to ensure that companies in the space. Both plant touching and ancillary businesses have the appropriate insurance risk management employee benefits in place for their businesses to ensure that a bad day does not put them out of business right? So that really is our focus. But

00:02:44.610 --> 00:02:56.559 Jeff Booker: As was mentioned, I'm in my 30th year in the insurance industry. Here, in the State of New Jersey, I work on all sides of the industry, a large group, small group, public private sector.

00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:04.770 Jeff Booker: But about 4 years ago I started Canada coverage insurance services with my partner, Nisha Santos.

00:03:05.384 --> 00:03:16.990 Jeff Booker: who is our co-founder and CEO? Because we saw the need for experience, risk management and insurance, consulting services in a new and emerging industry.

00:03:18.040 --> 00:03:21.379 JACK THOMAS: Thank you so much. And it's leaders like yourself.

00:03:21.813 --> 00:03:35.459 JACK THOMAS: And I think when we were talking that you've seen hundreds of applications. And as all people are looking to find the American treatment at American dream and have their own business as you have your umbrella behind you. I love that picture and backdrop.

00:03:35.460 --> 00:03:56.230 JACK THOMAS: It's your risk management. What I'm going to do here is I'm going to dovetail behind me a little bit, and this is the artwork I'm sitting in my what I call my Dojo. This is where I meditate. Every day I do my martial arts. I do my yoga, where I get a thinking, and when I look over my shoulder I always ask people, what language is that written in?

00:03:57.770 --> 00:04:10.779 JACK THOMAS: And the answer is, it's an artist who I met out of Brooklyn, and it was just a free flow, and when you look at it sometimes you could see right. You could see every religion in here and the tools of that language.

00:04:11.210 --> 00:04:28.739 JACK THOMAS: And so I I believe in today's day and environment. We have generational conversations. My kids are 2825. I don't always know what they're saying to me. I was at Enterprise today. I had an experience that was just horrible. Because again, there's that age dynamic where they're using words on certain technology.

00:04:28.890 --> 00:04:29.790 JACK THOMAS: I don't know

00:04:29.900 --> 00:04:51.310 JACK THOMAS: that communication skill set. How do you see that going on when you have all these young people applying? How do you communicate to them that you know that application wasn't right? Or, yeah, I'm not telling you. You need to do this, but you're as an insurance Guy, you're telling them you need to do this or otherwise, they're not gonna have the coverage. How do? How do you navigate that in the age

00:04:51.470 --> 00:05:02.860 JACK THOMAS: dichotomy? And you know, with your wisdom, I'm I'm look. We're looking to teach our our community, which are everyday people, living extraordinary lives. And so your wisdom is greatly appreciated.

00:05:03.250 --> 00:05:27.720 Jeff Booker: I certainly appreciate that endorsement of what I'm about to say. But again, what we try to do is make sure that a lot of these folks who are many of them, are 1st time like real business owners. Right? It's the 1st time they've actually had to meet a payroll and understand the Pl. And a budget and all those types of things, and it's very helpful

00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:56.379 Jeff Booker: for them to have folks come around them to help them understand how to structure their businesses, how to have the appropriate sops for their business, have the right advisors, the right accountants, the right lawyers, etc, to help them be able to navigate this space more effectively. We understand that insurance is not sexy, but it's serious. So folks need to understand that if you do not appropriately plan and appropriately work to assess.

00:05:56.380 --> 00:06:12.399 Jeff Booker: mitigate, and then transfer your risk. You could be headed for a real difficult time, and a lot of folks may not be able to sustain a bad day, and it may put them out of business. So we tell folks some of the stories that that have happened where folks

00:06:12.460 --> 00:06:32.909 Jeff Booker: didn't have the right coverage or had no coverage at all. And you know there your coverage is, crossing your fingers and hoping that the Dea doesn't find your crop. Burn it down right. That's your insurance right back in the day. So as you transfer from legacy to legal, it's important to put structure and and and systems in place, help you operate like a regular business.

00:06:33.530 --> 00:06:51.639 JACK THOMAS: That's great. Thank you. And so that that and I love how you put that language out there and the acronym. So what would be an example. What? So Sarah is about as educated as anybody I know. And so are you familiar? And I'm gonna put you on the spot. And I I know I can't embarrass you. But are you familiar with what an sop is.

00:06:51.860 --> 00:06:53.219 Sarah Magee: I'm actually not

00:06:53.670 --> 00:06:54.400 Sarah Magee: eyeball.

00:06:54.400 --> 00:06:56.229 Jeff Booker: For that. I.

00:06:56.230 --> 00:07:18.010 JACK THOMAS: That's okay. But that's the idea of the Forum right where you could be comfortable and go and be vulnerable. No, I don't know right, and so I'd love. I'd love you to go a little deeper on what the sop is. But as a company do you have a preset standard format of sops that if they're doing business with you, you give it to them. So is that kind. I'd love to know more of that depth.

00:07:18.260 --> 00:07:20.939 Jeff Booker: Well, 1st of all, to define the acronym

00:07:21.468 --> 00:07:24.540 Jeff Booker: so it stands for standard operating procedure.

00:07:24.795 --> 00:07:25.050 Sarah Magee: Good.

00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:40.870 Jeff Booker: So again, a lot of industries, insurance, risk, etc. We speak in acronyms. It it's like code. It's Greek, right? People don't know. Understand that? So that's that's a good reminder. To simplify that and make it very clear as to what that is

00:07:41.218 --> 00:08:07.039 Jeff Booker: to answer your question. Yes, we. We do have access to a set of standards, whether you're a cultivator or whether you're you're a dispensary, manufacturing, processing, transportation etc. So there are sops that are available from a variety of sources. But but we we certainly have access to standards that are really looked at as national standards, depending on what sector of the business you are in.

00:08:08.380 --> 00:08:30.990 JACK THOMAS: From a national standard the State of New Jersey, and I'll touch upon it. Just for a moment Gaetano was on, and it was about mushrooms. And so, my son, who's out in Colorado right? He's into the psychedelic healing in the Ptsd. And he graduated with a neuroscience psychology degree and understands that.

00:08:31.200 --> 00:08:47.699 JACK THOMAS: But estate ranking, where are we as in the leadership? Because I just was in New York today, and I have clients that are in that cannabis business in New York and New Jersey, and they seem so disorganized and unhappy in New York, and as a New Yorker, you know, my heart goes out to them.

00:08:47.700 --> 00:09:01.410 JACK THOMAS: I feel like when I go to meetings and the people I'm around. You're around. There's a leadership in a direction New Jersey. Are we like the top number one State number 10 State in leadership and kind of this risk management, leadership area.

00:09:01.900 --> 00:09:18.529 Jeff Booker: Well, I I would say, with respect to our our States regulatory body, the the Cannabis Regulatory commission in in New Jersey. I think they've got a lot of things right. They learn some lessons from other places. Some would say that that there are areas, what that what they could improve.

00:09:19.151 --> 00:09:37.238 Jeff Booker: But I think that's the case with everything and everybody. Right? So nobody's perfect, right? So there always should be a a, a desire to improve and and and enhance what's being done? So I I think. You know, it's generally understood that New Jersey has gotten it has gotten more right than wrong.

00:09:37.896 --> 00:10:01.640 Jeff Booker: but a lot of things you think sound great on paper, on the whiteboard. But when it's actually in in practice and in process. You you understand. You gotta tweak it a little bit. So I want to commend our our commission, New Jersey, for constant looking for ways to to to improve and then tweak what they're doing within the confines of the legislation that they were given by the legislature. Folks have to remember that the legislature

00:10:01.780 --> 00:10:22.309 Jeff Booker: are the ones who actually write the laws and and and the regulations the laws actually. And then and then the law is is then used by the the executive branch to, to to put together the regulations and the guidelines and the rules of the industry. Right? So that's an important part to understand, too.

00:10:23.270 --> 00:10:24.650 JACK THOMAS: Thank you. And

00:10:25.924 --> 00:10:49.389 JACK THOMAS: as far as you had mentioned cultivation and growing before. So I just spent the past. I don't know. Give or take 10 days being blessed with friends down the Jersey shore, and I was all the way down in Avalon, right up into brick, up and up into your neighborhood, coming up all the way up north. I was in Sandy Hook, and and the amount of green in our garden State is just so rich.

00:10:49.833 --> 00:10:54.990 JACK THOMAS: So cultivating. So what are the like? 3 top things to me? I think. Marijuana.

00:10:55.030 --> 00:11:09.100 JACK THOMAS: Jamaica Queens, Red door back of the warehouse my buddy owned. That was where we knew we can get cannabis today. It looks like it'd be grown anywhere in New Jersey. And are there cultivators? Who who are these players?

00:11:09.630 --> 00:11:23.869 Jeff Booker: Well, there are a number of them. Again, the industry is still in its nascent phase. So it's really important to understand that. But a cultivator simply is that a grower? They are the ones who grow the plant right?

00:11:24.325 --> 00:11:47.770 Jeff Booker: The vast majority are growing indoors because the ability to control climate and and all of that greenhouse type effect. And and and that really is the most common way. There are still some you know, out there other States, etc, that are growing outdoors hard harder to do that, because of all the variables of the weather and all that. But the the cultivation

00:11:47.770 --> 00:11:54.760 Jeff Booker: sector here in New Jersey is is certainly alive and well. You typically see

00:11:54.760 --> 00:12:01.180 Jeff Booker: the larger farms or the larger planned farms down in South Jersey and in the northwest part of the State.

00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:08.059 Jeff Booker: Because of land, right? You need acreage right? You need property to be able to cultivate the plant effectively. So

00:12:08.529 --> 00:12:12.999 Jeff Booker: what we've found is that a lot of folks have have gone to South Jersey

00:12:13.290 --> 00:12:18.249 Jeff Booker: and and have really looked at that a as an area to be able to get, you know.

00:12:18.300 --> 00:12:29.620 Jeff Booker: 1050, 7,000 500,000 square feet of canopy, as it's called to be able to grow the other plant. So but that's just one sector, but that's where it starts right. The seed in the ground.

00:12:30.430 --> 00:12:42.389 JACK THOMAS: Great. Thank you. Well, we're going to be moving to a break, and as we move into break, Sarah is, we're gonna have a little more interaction with Sarah going on. We were talking about a company before called Benefits.

00:12:42.410 --> 00:12:58.880 JACK THOMAS: and this is going to be about the employee benefit of your your division, and this is the part that I think is revolutionary, and we're sitting at the cusp of greatness, and we'll be right back at the happy spot. This is Jack Thomas, sitting with Jeff Booker.

00:15:10.970 --> 00:15:19.930 JACK THOMAS: Welcome back to the happy spot. This is Jack Thomas with Jeff Booker, and we are in the world of plant-based wellness compared to the opioids.

00:15:20.150 --> 00:15:35.889 JACK THOMAS: I did want to. Just touch upon the the the gentleman sitting in the room with us, and his history and his knowledge is critical, because as we move into the new business environment, it's people like Jeff

00:15:35.970 --> 00:15:41.740 JACK THOMAS: and myself of our age group, of our wisdom that we received it from somebody else.

00:15:42.000 --> 00:16:06.310 JACK THOMAS: And so the way I see my relationship with Jeff and the variety of his partners and members. When I grew up in Queens we grew up in an organization. It was called the Guild, and it represented the automotive industry, and it started in the sixties. But it was just the older States people that were in the automotive industry going. The insurance industry is beating us up.

00:16:06.310 --> 00:16:32.289 JACK THOMAS: And so those were the leaders that when I was a young person going to work with my dad. And looking up at these men going, look at what they're doing. They're taking on the insurance industry and for the greater good not to just fight for the fight, but for the greater good of the consumer. And so to be around you. It's really great, because we want employers to know that we want that wellness getting into the community.

00:16:32.680 --> 00:16:39.550 JACK THOMAS: And I was talking with Sarah earlier about what was the name of that company that they're partnering up with Sarah.

00:16:39.730 --> 00:16:42.104 Sarah Magee: And of this I believe, correct.

00:16:42.500 --> 00:16:45.480 Jeff Booker: Benefice. Health. Yes. Yeah. Benefits.

00:16:46.110 --> 00:16:51.159 JACK THOMAS: And and so Sarah and I had some questions. If you could elaborate on that for us and

00:16:51.640 --> 00:16:57.529 JACK THOMAS: you know how we get this out. So other employers, because our our targeted market.

00:16:57.790 --> 00:17:06.949 JACK THOMAS: or 100 to 400 million dollar corporations. And so those corporations right want to know what it is where they can get it. And when is it active.

00:17:07.829 --> 00:17:16.849 Jeff Booker: Right? Well, we certainly appreciate the opportunity to be able to have a conversation about increasing patient access to plant based medicine. Right? So

00:17:17.510 --> 00:17:22.849 Jeff Booker: Canada coverage has partnered with our good friends over at Benedus. Health

00:17:22.979 --> 00:17:38.629 Jeff Booker: benefits. Health is an organization that has created a platform to provide medicinal cannabis to the public with a real focus on bringing it through employer groups as an employee benefit

00:17:39.191 --> 00:17:46.699 Jeff Booker: leveraging the the existing infrastructure that employers have with respect to providing employee benefits to their employees.

00:17:46.749 --> 00:17:51.629 Jeff Booker: Benefits along with. With with our partnership, we have, created

00:17:51.769 --> 00:18:10.399 Jeff Booker: the ability to deliver medicinal cannabis to employees who have a medical card, for example, in the State of New Jersey to be able to get access to medicinal cannabis. The program is basically set up

00:18:10.957 --> 00:18:22.339 Jeff Booker: to allow employees to go to a network participating dispensary in their area, to be able to receive their medicine at a discount

00:18:22.469 --> 00:18:30.579 Jeff Booker: by being a member of the benefice program, which in in in many cases will be brought to them via their employer.

00:18:31.107 --> 00:18:37.539 Jeff Booker: Our role in the process is to help take the benefits platform and bring it to employer groups

00:18:37.639 --> 00:18:45.579 Jeff Booker: of all sizes. But but companies that in particular, are what we call self-insured or self-funded.

00:18:45.944 --> 00:19:02.949 Jeff Booker: In in the the space meaning that that they pool their own resources and set aside their own resources to pay claims as opposed as opposed to paying a premium to an insurance company to assume all the risk they are are are self retaining some of that risk.

00:19:02.949 --> 00:19:32.869 Jeff Booker: and setting aside funds to pay those claims as they come. So that really is the basic structure of the program. And then folks have more questions about that Canada coverage. As I said several months ago, was positioned as what's called an MGA or a master general agent for the program to be able to bring that program to employer groups regionally here in our region and in other parts of the country where there's there's a demand for it.

00:19:34.050 --> 00:19:43.219 JACK THOMAS: So great, so great, so great, so what I want to do is have a little bit of a round robin with the 3 of us, because everything you say I understand.

00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:45.140 JACK THOMAS: And so, Sarah.

00:19:45.150 --> 00:19:58.619 JACK THOMAS: the educated lady in the room, who right sits in all my meetings with insurance. But you're using language that she's never heard before. So what does mga mean to you, Sarah? When you 1st hear that.

00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:04.680 Sarah Magee: Well, now I know it means Master General Agent, which I

00:20:05.520 --> 00:20:08.117 Sarah Magee: think means it just, has more

00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:13.899 Sarah Magee: powered, it has it has the. It just has the authority to distribute

00:20:16.630 --> 00:20:19.980 Sarah Magee: ben benefits to employers directly from.

00:20:19.980 --> 00:20:20.330 JACK THOMAS: Ok, now.

00:20:20.330 --> 00:20:23.159 Sarah Magee: I guess dispensary.

00:20:23.520 --> 00:20:25.560 JACK THOMAS: Yup perfect. And so

00:20:26.300 --> 00:20:47.449 JACK THOMAS: now, in addition. Right that so Sarah, right. Her and her husband have health insurance and right, they're both right. 36 young professionals healthy, thank God! And let's say all of a sudden, right? Someone's not feeling well right. Their their back is hurting them. And so

00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:56.790 JACK THOMAS: what does that process look like from you as the Mga, that this right, an employer buys it? What's the process? Look like.

00:20:57.460 --> 00:20:58.980 Jeff Booker: Calling, you yeah.

00:20:58.980 --> 00:20:59.549 JACK THOMAS: Damn it.

00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:09.934 Jeff Booker: That's it. That's a that's a great question. And and again, we'll try to simplify it as as much as we can. Let's assume that your employer has engaged or is engaging with us to be able to provide

00:21:10.573 --> 00:21:20.589 Jeff Booker: that that program basically where it works is that you would need to get to say you're living New Jersey, you you would need to get a a a medical

00:21:21.061 --> 00:21:26.589 Jeff Booker: you know card, a medical, a cannabis card which would have to be approved by a physician. Right?

00:21:26.940 --> 00:21:41.100 Jeff Booker: There are a variety of ways to get that. We actually provide with our partnership with benefits the ability for telemedicine for you be able to get that assessment that's required by a medical provider. You can do that virtually

00:21:41.458 --> 00:22:06.921 Jeff Booker: and and upon completing that assessment they can then let let you know if you, if you're qualified to receive a medical card. If you are. Once that card comes you, you can then, take that card to a participating benefice network dispensary which which would then allow you to be able to get the medicine that you need and and be able to as you're even as you're doing that.

00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:26.269 JACK THOMAS: So up. So right right there is where I'm Gonna go. Okay, I got you right now. i i i'm I'm that layperson going. Okay, the benefits card. I'm at work. I I have this benefits card. Now. I live in Bloomfield. So there's a new dispensary that just opened up.

00:22:26.300 --> 00:22:43.860 JACK THOMAS: So I've never seen anybody advertising. Is that something that they're gonna advertise in the future at the dispensaries. How many are dispensaries are in New Jersey today that are legal to even sell medical marijuana. I'm not even sure. Is it? 10, a hundred, a thousand? What's the number in Jersey?

00:22:43.860 --> 00:22:52.940 Jeff Booker: Yeah, there, there there are! There are over a hundred dispensaries in the State now in total. Not all of them have a medical license. Some of them are recreational

00:22:53.301 --> 00:22:59.329 Jeff Booker: and and some of them are just medical the original dispensaries that were open in the State of New Jersey were just medical

00:22:59.836 --> 00:23:02.049 Jeff Booker: you know, a decade or so ago, plus

00:23:02.540 --> 00:23:07.229 Jeff Booker: so. But now there are dozens and dozens more of recreational dispensaries.

00:23:07.687 --> 00:23:12.860 Jeff Booker: So again the the the process would be once you have the benefits.

00:23:13.892 --> 00:23:28.939 Jeff Booker: you know program at your employer, and then you didn't have your medicinal cannabis card. You can then take that to a a participating bibis network dispensary to allow you to be able to get access to your medicine.

00:23:29.510 --> 00:23:37.070 JACK THOMAS: This. This is really fantastic. And Sarah, I don't know. If you remember I went out. My daughter lives in La. My daughter's 28

00:23:37.850 --> 00:23:51.340 JACK THOMAS: and similar, you know, dynamic of age group with Sarah and her family, and I'm like, I can't believe that in California one of my daughter's good friends at work out on disability, getting ketamine treatment

00:23:52.590 --> 00:23:53.740 JACK THOMAS: therapy

00:23:54.270 --> 00:23:59.870 JACK THOMAS: all on zoom right. And and this is, and and somebody's paying for it.

00:24:00.070 --> 00:24:27.029 JACK THOMAS: So our California's rules cause it seemed much more organized. It wasn't. It was almost like a sanctuary. They called it a sanctuary, and how it was set up. But it wasn't really directly through the traditional medical community, but it was a traditional employer. Are they doing things ahead of us in California because they had cannabis beforehand? Are. Are we learning from them here in Jersey? Because I was so impressed, and how she was being treated specifically for her, was on the ketamine.

00:24:27.550 --> 00:24:56.029 Jeff Booker: Yeah, no. I think that as it pertains to, whether it be ketamine or or it be cannabis. What we, you know find is, and what we have to understand is that insurance is regulated at the state level. Right? A lot of folks understand that. But it is so. The guidelines in California and Colorado and Arizona and Oregon, etc, are different, and what they are here, different legislatures, different governments, etc. So different insurance departments, right? So.

00:24:56.738 --> 00:25:01.010 Jeff Booker: There are bills on the floor in the State of New Jersey's legislature

00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:28.389 Jeff Booker: that would allow for reimbursement, like any other medication. As it pertains to insurance. So these are bills that my partner, Michelle and Gaetano, and others on our team are fighting for and helping our elected officials understand the importance of this, that medicinal cannabis should be treated like any other prescription. Right? We're not there yet, but but that's that's the path that's the path.

00:25:28.770 --> 00:25:33.586 JACK THOMAS: That's great. And I'm gonna I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna 1st make a statement,

00:25:34.630 --> 00:25:45.040 JACK THOMAS: with our, our, with our political environment, the way it's going today. It's it's just it's difficult, you know, to watch. I'm not a political person, but watching it going on.

00:25:45.463 --> 00:26:00.359 JACK THOMAS: But I am curious from a political perspective, are the Democrats or the Republicans who's a greater advocate? Cause? I did meet a gentleman smart, smart gentleman, and I said, I'm not a political guy, and he's like

00:26:00.380 --> 00:26:11.899 JACK THOMAS: you like cannabis. I said, Yeah, he goes. Now, you're a political guy. So so with that, you know who who's favoring your side of the table. Republicans and Democrats.

00:26:12.150 --> 00:26:18.695 Jeff Booker: Well over over the decades, you know. Traditionally, Democrats have been far more open, you know, to to to

00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:28.519 Jeff Booker: the legalization the the normalization of cannabis etc. What I will tell you is that with increasing speed.

00:26:29.207 --> 00:26:49.412 Jeff Booker: the while, Democrats certainly still like percentage wise, are, are far more likely to be supportive. More and more Republicans. In state legislatures and in Congress are coming around right? You cannot deny the science forever. And you know I I think it's important that that that there be

00:26:49.890 --> 00:27:06.030 Jeff Booker: you know, clarity in looking at this. It shouldn't be about what what you feel about things. It should be about what you think about things based on data and empirical information and science. Right? So I think the more we do that the better off that we're going to be.

00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:08.390 JACK THOMAS: Great. Thank you.

00:27:12.710 --> 00:27:13.600 JACK THOMAS: He used to.

00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:14.350 Sarah Magee: Ben.

00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:22.470 Sarah Magee: is there a difference, like biochemically, structurally, between recreational marijuana and medical marijuana?

00:27:23.170 --> 00:27:28.101 Jeff Booker: Not not really it. It really comes down to the manufacturing the processing process.

00:27:29.094 --> 00:27:36.519 Jeff Booker: The Thc content, Thc, is the compound within the cannabis that that is psychoactive.

00:27:36.700 --> 00:27:43.400 Jeff Booker: And and the higher that percentage, the more of a of a high or an effect that you will have

00:27:44.133 --> 00:27:46.300 Jeff Booker: from from using the product.

00:27:47.132 --> 00:27:59.000 Jeff Booker: But but medicinal cannabis sometimes has a higher thc, you know, content because you're you're looking for a certain effect based on on a medical a condition. So

00:27:59.515 --> 00:28:13.850 Jeff Booker: but that that really is the main difference. It's it's really the the level of thc, and and and the particular strain that has been manufactured for an additional purpose. If if that is indeed the need in that situation.

00:28:13.850 --> 00:28:18.219 Sarah Magee: That was always been a question. My mind's at a myth or so. Thank you for answering that.

00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:19.230 Sarah Magee: Yeah.

00:28:19.230 --> 00:28:43.090 JACK THOMAS: Great, great question. Well, we're gonna we're gonna move to break. I just want to bring to everyone's attention the senses that we all have. And as we go in and out of the happy spot, the sound of binaural beats. And I use those to focus. So it's using technology today and not just the cannabis, but having the other tools around you, and how they all coordinate for a well being.

00:28:43.410 --> 00:28:52.970 JACK THOMAS: This is the happy spot we are biohacking our information, and we'll be right back with Jack Thomas and Jeff Booker and Sarah Mcgee. Thank you.

00:30:52.460 --> 00:30:59.859 JACK THOMAS: Back everybody. We are at the Happy spot with Jack, Thomas, Sarah Mcgee and Jeff Booker. The topic of today is of

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.520 JACK THOMAS: cannabis and wellness in the business environment.

00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:12.259 JACK THOMAS: So as I go through your Linkedin page, and that's what I always do. And I 1st look at the public service

00:31:12.430 --> 00:31:13.780 JACK THOMAS: consultant.

00:31:13.840 --> 00:31:17.979 JACK THOMAS: so elaborate with me on your viewpoint of how your

00:31:18.482 --> 00:31:34.440 JACK THOMAS: I think it's a great title, and I I and I've spent enough time with you that it's it's fitting. Elaborate on that public service, consulting, you know, in in how you see your role within the greater, beyond kind of kind of coverage. But in society.

00:31:35.130 --> 00:31:39.240 Jeff Booker: Well, a again. That's that's listed there, because I have spent, you know.

00:31:39.500 --> 00:31:42.859 Jeff Booker: or or well, over 20 years, and probably close 25 years now.

00:31:43.283 --> 00:31:45.550 Jeff Booker: sort of working in the political arena.

00:31:46.030 --> 00:31:55.739 Jeff Booker: working in on various campaigns and working elected officials and candidates, and and and all those things for for, you know. Well, over 20 years now.

00:31:56.566 --> 00:32:07.049 Jeff Booker: that has allowed me to build a lot of relationships, and it's allowed me to to build you know, the relationships with folks who now.

00:32:07.100 --> 00:32:22.979 Jeff Booker: when they were younger in the business, if you will, a couple of decades plus ago, now they're the mayors. Now they're this Council President now. They're the School Board President now. They're county officials, state State reps, State Legislature, legislators, etc. So

00:32:24.130 --> 00:32:30.849 Jeff Booker: because I've been able to build that network. One of the things I've been able to do is to try to help sometimes be a bridge

00:32:31.331 --> 00:32:41.490 Jeff Booker: between the business community, or or or you know, folks working in the nonprofit arena, etc, and

00:32:41.610 --> 00:32:45.850 Jeff Booker: the pro A public sector in particular public sector leadership.

00:32:46.291 --> 00:33:07.830 Jeff Booker: So I've been able to to to leverage that in in a variety of ways to help educate elected officials to help bring messages from the nonprofit world, from those in in the service communities, etc, to be able to you know. Better serve the public, and better engage their elected officials, and just try to be a bridge

00:33:08.313 --> 00:33:09.160 Jeff Booker: very informally.

00:33:09.800 --> 00:33:21.419 JACK THOMAS: That that is great. And and and by using that word bridge I was in a fraternal organization with some of the people I was visiting over the weekend, and we pride ourselves on being a bridge builder.

00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:32.629 JACK THOMAS: and so we would teach the younger people that would come into the fraternity. You had a choice, you know. You join the fraternity. We're here. Other brothers before us built the bridge.

00:33:32.770 --> 00:33:43.550 JACK THOMAS: and you're given the choice. If you could build a bridge to cross the ravine. Is it just for you to get across the ravine quicker, or do you build a bridge so it'll have some granite stone for others to follow behind.

00:33:44.710 --> 00:33:58.689 JACK THOMAS: And that's where the educations begin. And so now I'm going to touch upon a topic which I know that you're comfortable with, and reading through your Linkedin page is serving the black and brown community specifically in the newer community.

00:33:58.840 --> 00:34:24.139 JACK THOMAS: How does that differ, then? Right, I come from my perspective of how I know marijuana from a white community. I've spent most of my life working in mixed communities, and I'm comfortable in the conversations. But I'd love for everyday people to know. These are real conversations going on in the black and brown community, working together, building a better environment in that business world

00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:33.460 JACK THOMAS: elaborate on that a little bit, because Sarah and I are sitting on the other side of the table, and we'd like to learn to hear from your viewpoint. Please.

00:34:34.050 --> 00:34:40.430 Jeff Booker: Well, I appreciate the that that question, and and and the the sensibility of that inquiry.

00:34:41.114 --> 00:34:55.609 Jeff Booker: Because it's it's important to to understand that we all come in many time, in many cases from different places, different spaces, different environments different upbringings, etc. It's it's no secret

00:34:55.770 --> 00:34:56.440 Jeff Booker: that

00:34:57.803 --> 00:35:01.469 Jeff Booker: one of the the you know.

00:35:01.550 --> 00:35:19.719 Jeff Booker: Difficulties with the war on drugs over the decades has been the deliberate weaponization of that war on drugs against people of color in particular, as it pertains to to to marijuana or cannabis. Right? A a very short

00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.050 Jeff Booker: research.

00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.160 Jeff Booker: Project into

00:35:23.540 --> 00:35:28.240 Jeff Booker: the history of marijuana in the country will help you understand?

00:35:28.794 --> 00:35:41.790 Jeff Booker: That the Government, you know, knew long, long, long before now that there's there's conversations around rescheduling cannabis. The the Federal Government knew decades and decades ago.

00:35:42.632 --> 00:35:46.430 Jeff Booker: That there was a a desire

00:35:46.996 --> 00:35:51.460 Jeff Booker: even though this plant had significant and has significant

00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:58.877 Jeff Booker: medicinal properties to it. As it pertains to P Ptsd cancer, epilepsy, anti

00:36:00.020 --> 00:36:07.600 Jeff Booker: inflammation. As I said, Ptsd, etc. And many over 70 applications for the plan

00:36:07.940 --> 00:36:24.449 Jeff Booker: for it to have been treated as a schedule. One drug was quite frankly ridiculous, and it was done to to to really weaponize it against communities of color. Black and brown communities were deliberately put upon and were deliberately preyed upon

00:36:24.520 --> 00:36:30.139 Jeff Booker: by the Federal Government, beginning in the in the seventies and and going forward.

00:36:30.617 --> 00:36:38.129 Jeff Booker: Making it seem like somehow having access to this plan of being able to use this plant was was somehow

00:36:38.585 --> 00:36:43.539 Jeff Booker: driving people crazy, and and it had no medicinal value, all of which was a lie. Right? So

00:36:43.982 --> 00:36:47.370 Jeff Booker: we now know better, and the Federal Government's coming around to it.

00:36:47.410 --> 00:36:53.740 Jeff Booker: But we have to understand, when we have conversations around social equity that term

00:36:54.300 --> 00:36:59.549 Jeff Booker: that really comes from the need of society to provide equity

00:36:59.570 --> 00:37:02.269 Jeff Booker: as it pertains to this new burgeoning

00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:13.329 Jeff Booker: industry. So that that the individuals who and and the communities who felt the the biggest blunt of the war on drugs as it pertains to cannabis.

00:37:13.390 --> 00:37:26.739 Jeff Booker: should be 1st in line to be able to be able to benefit from this now, legal industry. So it's it's a great question, and and we cannot have a conversation without cannabis without having a conversation about how we got here

00:37:26.870 --> 00:37:27.839 Jeff Booker: as a country.

00:37:29.260 --> 00:37:32.440 JACK THOMAS: I love your passion. I love your delivery and the openness.

00:37:33.529 --> 00:37:39.829 JACK THOMAS: Sarah and I talk with people about healing in different version, and there's a term called quantum healing.

00:37:41.480 --> 00:38:05.910 JACK THOMAS: and so I don't know if you're familiar with it. But, Sarah, if you wanted to share some of the readings and things that we learn about that. And the reason why I bring up quantum heal healing in this moment is because of being a cannabis smoker and getting that euphoric high and kind of going out of your mind and out of your body, not going crazy out of your mind, but leaving your body in quantum healing kind of having that same synergistic healing.

00:38:06.361 --> 00:38:11.189 JACK THOMAS: What's some stuff you'd want to share? We'll have an open exchange here with Jeff, please.

00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:15.397 Jeff Booker: So you're on mute, I think.

00:38:15.650 --> 00:38:16.874 JACK THOMAS: Still on. Mute. Yeah.

00:38:17.180 --> 00:38:19.609 Sarah Magee: From my understanding. Quantum healing.

00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:21.730 Sarah Magee: Borrow some

00:38:21.810 --> 00:38:23.230 Sarah Magee: of the physics

00:38:23.590 --> 00:38:30.699 Sarah Magee: concepts, but applies them in psychological ways, and specifically, it

00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.089 Sarah Magee: is a state of deep hypnosis.

00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:37.260 Sarah Magee: and

00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:42.299 Sarah Magee: I, you know I'm not. I don't. I'm not completely familiar with all the the

00:38:42.770 --> 00:38:46.550 Sarah Magee: this physics concepts, but.

00:38:46.938 --> 00:38:49.270 JACK THOMAS: You. You're perfect. It's right there.

00:38:49.680 --> 00:38:54.349 Sarah Magee: But that's where it lies, and it's and it. It's transformative experience for a lot of people.

00:38:55.730 --> 00:38:58.021 JACK THOMAS: And and and and so

00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:17.499 JACK THOMAS: one. The reason why I open up the question of the black and brown community and the white community. There is one thing we have a chief medical officer on our team, and Dr. Donata is of Haitian descent, and I have been with her when she speaks in large conferences about doctors and burnout

00:39:18.094 --> 00:39:20.349 JACK THOMAS: and 65%.

00:39:20.850 --> 00:39:37.630 JACK THOMAS: And her argument is as a doctor. The healthcare insurance industry wants me to see a patient in 7 min. She's like I can't even begin to get to know them in 7 min to have an opening conversation, and that's creating the burnout.

00:39:37.660 --> 00:39:48.390 JACK THOMAS: If we all know this mental wellness is not well, then I'm posing the question to the society of hey trustees at the hospitals.

00:39:49.330 --> 00:39:57.469 JACK THOMAS: directors and officers. If people start knocking on your door and are talking about the liability, because you can't serve the community.

00:39:57.720 --> 00:40:16.540 JACK THOMAS: That's step one. And we've already learned this in hacking right. There are artists that took on right the Sackler family and the opioid community by just kind of quietly asking questions and doing it in an artistic in a nice way, but in a verbal way, and that is some of the stuff that we're looking at.

00:40:17.335 --> 00:40:18.120 JACK THOMAS: But

00:40:18.580 --> 00:40:27.540 JACK THOMAS: what you know, who who are the people that are really still holding you back now? Is it still the pharmaceutical industry that people tell me cause they're worried about their profits?

00:40:27.918 --> 00:40:46.629 JACK THOMAS: Or is it just? People are afraid of cannabis because they still associated that it's like me going back in the 19 seventies and the back of a warehouse to the red door, and having that vernacular versus, I drive down the street into the most beautiful buildings, greeted by very nice people with nice product.

00:40:47.250 --> 00:40:55.290 Jeff Booker: Yeah, I I think it's all the above. I i i think that the the stigma that and and the residue of that

00:40:55.610 --> 00:41:03.519 Jeff Booker: is still there. And I think that because it's there in society at large, it's going to be a part of

00:41:03.590 --> 00:41:09.920 Jeff Booker: businesses and and and the industry pharmaceutical industry, you know, etc.

00:41:10.160 --> 00:41:26.450 Jeff Booker: Those industries are made up of a people. And people carry these biases right? That these, these that these biases that they've had for all these years. Now they're in leadership now. They're making decisions, etc. But they still have that residue from decades of of

00:41:27.312 --> 00:41:35.330 Jeff Booker: you know, a policy that that was not based on altogether pure or altruistic motives. Right? So

00:41:35.590 --> 00:41:38.580 Jeff Booker: I think it's all the above and and and I I think that

00:41:38.740 --> 00:41:41.385 Jeff Booker: one of the things I I did want to.

00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:56.230 Jeff Booker: further clarify is that there, as I said before, there is a growing sense of bipartisanship as it pertains to cannabis. Now, politics allows me politics right? But there, there, there is even more, I would say.

00:41:57.560 --> 00:41:58.150 Jeff Booker: I

00:41:58.540 --> 00:42:14.319 Jeff Booker: agreement coming forward as it pertains to psilocybin and and and other psychedelics where you're starting to see that be available, or or a push to make it available for our vets. Right? You know, folks who have who have,

00:42:15.290 --> 00:42:24.309 Jeff Booker: you know, paid, you know, greatly for their country should have access to the best care, and it shouldn't be about decades, old feelings.

00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:36.079 Jeff Booker: and how people feel about things. It should be about science. What is the best healthcare that we can offer and utilize that, even if we're not comfortable because of what we thought we used to know right.

00:42:36.380 --> 00:43:00.530 JACK THOMAS: This, this is great. Thank you so much. We're we're about to go to break. I just wanna say, our last segment. I I. I really wanted to be about this benefit, and how people could find access to you right and your company, and also how our surrounding communities cause we work with other professionals in the insurance industry, how we're able to help your growth

00:43:00.530 --> 00:43:15.309 JACK THOMAS: right? Because when you grow, then as a society, we we all grow together, and I'm so grateful to have this open forum in this conversation we'll be right back at the Happy Spot. Jack, Thomas, Sarah Mcgee and Jeff Booker, smiling at everyone.

00:45:24.850 --> 00:45:25.930 JACK THOMAS: Welcome back

00:45:31.660 --> 00:45:34.010 JACK THOMAS: to the happy spot with Jack Thomas.

00:45:34.190 --> 00:45:41.710 JACK THOMAS: We're going to be talking with Jeff Booker and Sarah Mickey about the benefits, health, and how you can get access to it.

00:45:42.080 --> 00:45:50.780 JACK THOMAS: This has been quite informative in our past 45 min, and I know that if we had 3 h with Jeff, we would want another 3 with him.

00:45:50.790 --> 00:45:58.240 JACK THOMAS: We do look forward to having Nicole I mean Nicole Santos in the future your partner and the CEO.

00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:01.959 JACK THOMAS: You have a great team and and just great people.

00:46:02.170 --> 00:46:12.250 JACK THOMAS: So I I was texting you before. So I always say as an Mga, what's your sweet spot. And who's that company? And and so for

00:46:12.310 --> 00:46:16.470 JACK THOMAS: for the Sarah's of the world, her husband works at a company.

00:46:16.490 --> 00:46:18.750 JACK THOMAS: Let's say they have a hundred employees

00:46:19.550 --> 00:46:26.640 JACK THOMAS: is is that somebody? You know that is, is that size 100, or is it 10? Just some of the numbers, please.

00:46:26.640 --> 00:46:38.910 Jeff Booker: Yup and and certainly happy to be able to to answer that and and provide some context. We have some employers that have 10, you know, people that that are that are getting on to the other platform

00:46:39.359 --> 00:46:47.130 Jeff Booker: and we're also in discussions with with very large unions that have 23,000 30,000 employees.

00:46:47.676 --> 00:46:54.439 Jeff Booker: So who are in discussions? You know, to bring this benefit, you know, to their employees. So

00:46:55.206 --> 00:47:12.313 Jeff Booker: I mean that. So it it kind of runs the gamut and again, it's it's really a matter of having an employer be forward thinking the track that cannabis is on legislatively and in society is moving quickly right just as it is moving quickly.

00:47:13.173 --> 00:47:17.506 Jeff Booker: you know, for psychedelics and ketamine and and and other

00:47:18.110 --> 00:47:26.880 Jeff Booker: medicines and employers want to be getting in front of this and getting ahead of it, so that when employees are asking about it. They have answers right?

00:47:27.312 --> 00:47:32.239 Jeff Booker: And our our positioning as an as an mga, you know, for benefits.

00:47:32.789 --> 00:47:58.170 Jeff Booker: It, you know, allows us to work with employer groups to to bring this benefit to them, and in some places there may not be an existing dispensary network in that area, and part of what we will do with benefits is to work locally to to help create that network right to make sure that there's appropriate dispensary coverage in that employers area and in the areas where they have employees

00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.390 Jeff Booker: in the State, I mean, even in even across the country, depending on where they are.

00:48:02.929 --> 00:48:21.800 Jeff Booker: So that really is one of the things that that that we we want to bring forward is to help increase access, patient access to medicine that is needed, because the healthier and the happier employees are, the more productive they are in doing the work their employer is asked them to do.

00:48:22.570 --> 00:48:29.510 JACK THOMAS: Great. So now I'm gonna get a little more technical because I'm curious myself. But I I don't want us to get too lost in the weeds.

00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.410 JACK THOMAS: So right I

00:48:32.520 --> 00:48:46.460 JACK THOMAS: I've been in the healthcare brokerage business, and the largest client I ever had was 1,200 employees, and the smallest was 2, and there's a there's a set format you kind of see, that goes on with certain companies and industries also.

00:48:47.370 --> 00:48:51.599 JACK THOMAS: But you'll have a healthcare broker. You'll have the

00:48:51.670 --> 00:48:54.350 JACK THOMAS: met right the drug supplier.

00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:59.960 JACK THOMAS: And then you have all these other ancillary benefits which are now being managed by what we'll call a Tpa

00:49:00.620 --> 00:49:13.020 JACK THOMAS: 3rd party administrator and the 3rd party administrators are working hand in hand with Hr. And payroll, and so it gets very wiry and twiny, and a lot of

00:49:13.040 --> 00:49:14.899 JACK THOMAS: things moving through.

00:49:15.110 --> 00:49:35.620 JACK THOMAS: Where do you fit in that realm? Right? How is that employee gonna know, hey? I went to the doctor. Doctor. Right? May have prescribed cannabis. They don't even know that's an option. So who's talking to? Who in that 3rd party administrator to Hr. To payroll to the actual insurance company, and where do you? Where does your company fall in? There.

00:49:35.980 --> 00:50:04.499 Jeff Booker: Well, we fall right in the middle of that. In in helping you know, build the the communications that that are needed between the Tpa the employer, the employees. You know the the dispensary network that is either existing or has has to be built pretty quickly. But but but really. I mean, for example, without giving away details, and you'll see an announcement in the next 30 days or so of a major New Jersey City. That's gonna be offering this to their employees.

00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:22.479 Jeff Booker: Part of that conversation was making sure we had the Tpa on board right, and making sure that the Tpa was comfortable with it, understood it and and also making sure that that the the the pharmacy benefit manager, the Pbm. Understands it as well. So that has to be put together and part of our role

00:50:22.935 --> 00:50:38.219 Jeff Booker: was to bring those entities together, get everybody in a room and talk through how we're gonna adjudicate. You know these, these these claims so and and and how how to process these transactions. Because, again, really, what the end game is

00:50:38.470 --> 00:50:54.169 Jeff Booker: is once we're in, we're in a situation where the regulatory environment is is such. And and we're in a situation where we now can take, you know, 6, 1218, 24 months of of claim data, and then put it side by side and say, Okay.

00:50:54.340 --> 00:51:11.620 Jeff Booker: previously you were spending this on this. Now you're spending this on that right and be able to prove what we all know intrinsically is that if we move more and more to plant based medicine, and less and less on synthetic drugs and opioids.

00:51:11.720 --> 00:51:16.620 Jeff Booker: Not only are we going to get better health outcomes, we're going to drive healthcare costs down.

00:51:16.700 --> 00:51:21.520 Jeff Booker: And now everybody's happy. Right? So that's that's the future. That's where we're going.

00:51:22.430 --> 00:51:26.560 JACK THOMAS: And and and so we we have that conversation that the future is today.

00:51:27.180 --> 00:51:52.230 JACK THOMAS: And so how do we make things move quicker and at the happy spot. Jack Thomas. We are specifically now talking with major attorneys and other professionals around the country on how to make some of these right executive directors and trustees either recognize or make them uncomfortable, because sometimes it just has to get uncomfortable until you get comfortable.

00:51:52.650 --> 00:52:10.659 JACK THOMAS: What are some things like as a as a lady like I'm I'm so familiar with Sarah's family, her mom and dad, maybe in their seventies, maybe not feeling as well right is are there age restrictions to your services right? Or can can this work for people up into their nineties?

00:52:10.910 --> 00:52:27.170 Jeff Booker: Yes, it it. It's it's for for all ages. e, even even including under strict doctor care. There, there have been many, you know, examples of cannabis being used in in the pediatric realm.

00:52:27.491 --> 00:52:37.988 Jeff Booker: To help with with with certain conditions and that sort of thing under a doctor's care and experience. Medical professional, who knows what they're doing can really help bring relief to children, you know. So

00:52:38.460 --> 00:52:42.269 Jeff Booker: But again, we're not talking about the street corner. We're not talking about the back of a truck.

00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:55.050 Jeff Booker: We're we're talking about a a, a prescription under an experience. Medical providers care, and that goes from whether they're 9 or they're 90, right? So there are no age restrictions on that.

00:52:55.587 --> 00:53:16.409 Jeff Booker: Obviously, children have to have the parents and and guardians involvement, of course, like anything else, whether it's cough, syrup, or aspirin, or or or cannabis, right? So by the same token, folks who are older and more experienced and more seasoned. You know, can can get access to the care that they need. And one of the things that we really wanna, you know, drive home

00:53:16.740 --> 00:53:26.079 Jeff Booker: is to let folks know if you want your employer to look at this and and and if if you want to be able to have access to to this at your employer.

00:53:26.532 --> 00:53:28.309 Jeff Booker: You know you could reach out to us

00:53:28.942 --> 00:53:38.609 Jeff Booker: at at canna coverage net. And you can also reach reach out via email to myself, J. booker@cannacoverage.net

00:53:39.380 --> 00:53:42.580 Jeff Booker: or n.santos@countercovers.net

00:53:42.995 --> 00:54:09.480 Jeff Booker: and and we can be happy. We'll be happy to connect with you and put you in contact with the appropriate resources to get a look at this to see if it's something your employer are wanting to put put into place, whether it be, for you know, cannabis as an employee benefit or as we lost talked about psychedelics like ketamine which, again, is really something that that provides relief in in ways

00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:14.699 Jeff Booker: that's synth. Synthetic drugs cannot, you know, provide? And I I wanna give a shout out to my colleague

00:54:15.063 --> 00:54:25.969 Jeff Booker: Gaetano Lariri in the chat there as he is, putting there some great information and and and really helping folks understanding as as understand what's available to them.

00:54:26.850 --> 00:54:38.750 Jeff Booker: I'm about getting things done the right way, and if the old way was the wrong way, then why are we still doing it that way? Right? Somebody said, if you know better. You do better right? We should be doing better. We should be.

00:54:40.550 --> 00:55:02.009 JACK THOMAS: I could listen to you all day, sir, your wisdom. And then having a gaitano, and I'm looking at the notes and the numbers right, Sarah, you wanna read up on some of these things here? Right? General generalized anxiety, 65% improvement. I literally just got a text from a dear friend of mine. Anxiety lab! What music? What can I listen to? Right and like i i i hesitate because

00:55:02.040 --> 00:55:28.160 JACK THOMAS: I know what's good for me. But you need that medical professional. And so that's why we have a chief medical officer on our team. I got such a great understanding of where you're at. I. I am appreciative for you to be on the show, and Gaitano and everyone to be listening in. I look forward to hearing more about what's going on, and you get the final. You get the final say of the word, Mr. Booker. What would you like to share with the universe.

00:55:28.640 --> 00:55:54.219 Jeff Booker: Well again, we would just like to reiterate the importance of plant based medicine. We need to push through the stigma and get folks the medicine that they need when they need it at an affordable price. And we believe that the employer based employee benefits model is one of the greatest ways to do that. The day will come eventually where getting a script for cannabis will be the same as getting a script for Metformin or for Liber. One day.

00:55:55.480 --> 00:56:04.509 JACK THOMAS: Great. Thank you. At the happy Spot, Jack Thomas and Sarah Mcgee. We wish everyone a great day and a happy week, and we'll see you next week. Thank you.

00:56:05.350 --> 00:56:06.060 JACK THOMAS: Thank you.

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