Please join us this week as we are joined by Abdul J Roberts, as we embark on an interesting discussion about Magic Mushrooms and their legality in the state of New Jersey.
In the mindfulness revolution, the state of NJ is leading the way for mental healing with magic mushrooms. We will be discussing Employment, Cannabis, Mushrooms, and Health from a legal perspective
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Biohacking, Strategic, Tactical, Wellness
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00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:43.609 JACK THOMAS: Welcome everybody to the happy spot.
00:00:44.630 --> 00:00:54.199 JACK THOMAS: Jack Thomas coming to you from the happy spot, and we are blessed today with Mister Abdul Roberts, Esquire at Law Firm, J. Lo, J. Lo!
00:00:54.380 --> 00:00:58.038 JACK THOMAS: I had the good fortune of going to an event this weekend that
00:00:58.660 --> 00:01:19.889 JACK THOMAS: was on magic mushrooms in the State of New Jersey, and Gatiri is an unbelievable man, he put in multiple groups. I met Abdul, and he was so dynamic, and how he spoke on the symposium. We're going to get some feedback on healthcare employment cannabis, mushrooms. And how do you get your wellness
00:01:19.960 --> 00:01:40.329 JACK THOMAS: now in biohacking? There's a biological order in hacking. How do you pay for it? That's the open conversation at the happy spot we engage others. So our market are everyday people that can learn because they're living extraordinary lives. So, Abdul, I'd love to open the floor and give you 2 min.
00:01:40.410 --> 00:01:54.980 JACK THOMAS: Please. First, st thank you for our fans and you sharing your wisdom. But can we have a just 2 min background of who you are today? Personally, professionally? So we can get a little flavor of your being.
00:01:55.520 --> 00:02:15.210 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Well, first.st let me thank you as well, Jack, for inviting me to be here tonight. I certainly appreciate the opportunity to speak to you and all that are listening tonight. My name is Abdul Roberts. I'm a partner at Jalalange Law firm. I currently reside in the State of New Jersey, but I am licensed to practice in New Jersey and New York
00:02:15.538 --> 00:02:32.620 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: prior to actually being in at this firm. I did work specifically in healthcare law with doctors and medical professionals, and prior to that I was in the United States Army Jack Corps. So I mean United States army veteran where I served and had opportunity to play through that.
00:02:32.630 --> 00:02:41.079 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: I'm a personal life. I like to play sports. I am married with my wife and our wonderful dog. We walk every evening
00:02:41.509 --> 00:02:47.869 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: and I'm certainly enjoy the opportunity to be here tonight, and I can't thank you again for that for opportunity. There, Jeff.
00:02:48.450 --> 00:02:50.819 JACK THOMAS: Well, first, st I want to thank you for serving.
00:02:51.870 --> 00:02:52.529 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: But don't.
00:02:53.130 --> 00:03:07.430 JACK THOMAS: And and and so I'm gonna play a little bit with you because we don't know each other. But we were just having 10 min and having fun. But as we're getting to know each other, the energy is right. So when I hear military and people that have served.
00:03:08.450 --> 00:03:32.100 JACK THOMAS: you know I'm a little older than you, and so, my generation, I go back point to point. I most of my friends. We could go back through history and time, and the wars and the things, and but it seems like every day we're at war, right? I have my phone in my head every day. And so it bio, hacking right? One of the tools that we do is teach each other to leave that alone.
00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:55.580 JACK THOMAS: But I want to stay on the war thing, because I will never forget. 1974. I lived in a row house in Queens, and everybody was a little mix of more white Russian, German, Irish, and I worked in a very mixed neighborhood, so I had the flavor. But I will never forget. 1974, a woman.
00:03:55.750 --> 00:03:59.040 JACK THOMAS: a woman, a girl. I was 10, I was 8.
00:03:59.250 --> 00:04:00.569 JACK THOMAS: She was from Vietnam.
00:04:01.920 --> 00:04:06.370 JACK THOMAS: her family. It was the 1st Asian family that had moved in. We lived in a Row house.
00:04:06.600 --> 00:04:10.059 JACK THOMAS: and I'm like saying, Dad, aren't we in a fight with Vietnam?
00:04:10.480 --> 00:04:18.739 JACK THOMAS: And he's like the war ended. And this was a group of people because they got rushed out. They landed in queens, they wind up in our neighborhood.
00:04:19.850 --> 00:04:25.890 JACK THOMAS: and so my neighborhood was so mixed. It was the blessing back in the 70 s. That gave me
00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:29.260 JACK THOMAS: who I am today, and the appreciation of other cultures.
00:04:29.650 --> 00:04:38.890 JACK THOMAS: And what I did learn is our mind is our mind as a warrior in Yoga and martial arts. You see why I cross over from that warrior mindset.
00:04:38.950 --> 00:04:44.340 JACK THOMAS: But we're not a warrior like you. So what type of training in your military background.
00:04:44.470 --> 00:04:51.050 JACK THOMAS: do you think helps you in your professional life as a warrior, as an attorney, and representing your clients.
00:04:51.490 --> 00:05:09.350 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah, absolutely. So I think the the training that I well, I know the training that I actually received. And just the met the the idea that you have to be resilient. That resilience, whether and what form that comes in is always different. But that level of resilience in a person
00:05:09.350 --> 00:05:21.840 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: is a tool that you can really take to make you dynamic in itself. And that's what helps so much in the representation of clients, and in your personal and professional, you know growth and well-being.
00:05:22.580 --> 00:05:26.990 JACK THOMAS: So what would be an example of the tool? I I interrupt you to kind of bring that down, cause
00:05:27.090 --> 00:05:37.890 JACK THOMAS: what did the army give you as a tool? Or what type of training, what type of mentor? Right? It's tools, training, and that leadership role that you now
00:05:38.270 --> 00:05:41.380 JACK THOMAS: live as. But you aspire to, so.
00:05:41.580 --> 00:05:44.560 JACK THOMAS: you know. Walk, walk us through a little bit of that, please.
00:05:44.560 --> 00:06:13.919 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. So when I 1st went into training for the army Jag corps, our 1st training was down at Fort Benny, where we were expected to take on warrior tasks cause they took them as well as leadership tasks. So we were tasked, and and our goal was to one not only to become a warrior in the war, in the warfare, learning how to, you know, basically shoot weapons, become physically fit things like that, but also know how to be a good leader. For people. And
00:06:14.222 --> 00:06:31.469 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: and with that they give you the mentorship of your superiors. You know you're not. You're put in a role. Then you have those mentors who say, Hey, I've been here for 1520 years. I've seen this. This is how you can approach it, but also give you the freedom to be, you know, unique and
00:06:31.799 --> 00:06:38.820 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: allow you to put your own uniqueness to completing those tasks, to allow you to become the professional and of the future.
00:06:39.730 --> 00:06:53.169 JACK THOMAS: So thank you for that. I wanna play around with words and the opposite. So I work as a yogi right in life. And so as Yogi, the way that we learn is from the contrast of the opposite.
00:06:53.210 --> 00:07:02.080 JACK THOMAS: so my left side may hurt, but it's really coming from my right shoulder. And so it's learning how to kind of navigate that on a workout.
00:07:02.140 --> 00:07:22.210 JACK THOMAS: So I hear, warrior and leader. So my struggle as a yogi is. I was originally taught martial arts in queens 14 years old to be a warrior, because I got beaten up as a kid because I was a Jewish kid and got beaten up. Imagine that the Jewish kid got beaten up. Sounds like today. I make fun. I make jokes. I'm completely incorrect. I'm a biohacker.
00:07:22.210 --> 00:07:22.930 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: You think.
00:07:23.770 --> 00:07:32.219 JACK THOMAS: But my parent, my family put me into martial arts, and I was trained to be a warrior in my mind, not like you as a warrior, but that same mindset.
00:07:32.650 --> 00:07:40.909 JACK THOMAS: and years later I got hurt, sparring and fighting, and I was introduced to Yoga at 27, instead of getting surgery on my neck.
00:07:42.220 --> 00:07:54.370 JACK THOMAS: and that was the greatest gift I ever received was getting dropped on my head. No, not by my mother, but sparring with a friend of mine and finding Yoga, and 30 years ago Yoga was not acceptable. And today
00:07:54.570 --> 00:08:09.669 JACK THOMAS: I just sat with Shaquille Kevin Brown, who goes by warrior, and that's the name of his martial arts studio in Bloomfield, New Jersey, and we are meshing the warrior of a Yogi of that kindness.
00:08:09.990 --> 00:08:12.500 JACK THOMAS: But the warrior of
00:08:13.190 --> 00:08:14.190 JACK THOMAS: warrior
00:08:16.070 --> 00:08:21.730 JACK THOMAS: thoughts on that opinion. How do we? How do we bring that into our society? How are you doing that
00:08:22.250 --> 00:08:28.249 JACK THOMAS: with your clients more on your clients, so society will come back to so how do you be that warrior for them?
00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:48.749 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. And I think the way you phrased it is is perfect, because what you're bringing together is really a a thought process for a person to achieve where it's really understanding that you don't have to be physical, to be a warrior in the sense, there is a mental aspect and component to it that
00:08:48.830 --> 00:09:03.170 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: when you can master that, you can move yourself in a different way than what you would expect if you're just trying to master the physical aspect of it. So that's really where I concentrate a lot of my times with my clients is
00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:12.109 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: helping them understand that mental mastering can help and provide so much more dividends than what you would.
00:09:12.290 --> 00:09:14.520 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: They typically expect or not even know.
00:09:15.340 --> 00:09:28.790 JACK THOMAS: I love how you choose your words, to go from warrior to dividends and tying it into the money aspect, because it always comes down to what's the benefit for the client. There is a financial mechanism that is going on.
00:09:28.790 --> 00:09:50.469 JACK THOMAS: And so it's so beautiful. How you go about that. And my next question rolls into. So how do you define? You know what? So talk to me, what a leader looks like, and how the army taught you to be a leader, because to me a warrior is a leader, right? But you were very distinct in your word, so I'm sure you receive distinct training and just curious if we could see this side by side.
00:09:50.770 --> 00:10:13.719 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. So with respect to leadership in the army, I think it takes a more common understanding of it's less about being the best warrior more about utilizing your mind for the benefit of everybody, and being able to look beyond what is in front of you, and piece together some things that.
00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:30.210 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: you know will come together and provide for a greater good. For you know the organization, your unit, and just those around you, and really building a ecosystem around you, and and knowing who and where to go to. So th there was that distinct, you know.
00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:37.290 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: difference in how they want you to view leadership in the army versus being that warrior that they they want you to be as well.
00:10:37.970 --> 00:10:39.829 JACK THOMAS: That's so great. Thank you. And
00:10:40.580 --> 00:10:52.800 JACK THOMAS: so how do your how does your family take to you from a warrior leader perspective? Or do they still look at you as that little kid when you're that young little 10 year old, as we talked about earlier? How did they engage you.
00:10:53.040 --> 00:11:02.840 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. So I you know, it's interesting because I think I get different. Pers reception based on who it is. So I have a older brother who is 11 months
00:11:03.182 --> 00:11:24.150 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: apart from me. So he's let. We're less than a year apart. So he it's a little bit harder for him to get out of the. You're still my little brother. You're still my little brother role and but whereas, like you know, my mom or my my little brother. They kind of see it. They they know what I did. They understand where I was at, and so they kind of give me the reception. Like, Okay, he.
00:11:24.150 --> 00:11:38.160 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: he has leadership. He, he is this type of person. But it's always interesting interacting with my older brother because we have this inside quote, we're 11 days apart from each other. So we call each other twins for 11 days. So I think you know, that
00:11:38.380 --> 00:11:43.800 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: really puts us on par. So we get different receptions. But it's always nice, you know. It keeps you grounded and humble.
00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:54.539 JACK THOMAS: That's great. Thank you. And you had shared with me at some point. You had lived in New York, in New Jersey, and so your immediate family. Are they near where you live now, or are they spread around.
00:11:54.870 --> 00:12:04.800 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: So my immediate family is, I would say, spread around a majority of around Western New York near Buffalo. But I do have some family who lives in Georgia as well as Florida.
00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:05.830 JACK THOMAS: Great.
00:12:06.560 --> 00:12:12.199 JACK THOMAS: So thank you for giving that side by side on warrior and leader. And
00:12:12.260 --> 00:12:15.910 JACK THOMAS: what would be an example? You were saying how you lead your clients? What is
00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:19.229 JACK THOMAS: something from a more tactile conversation
00:12:19.650 --> 00:12:30.069 JACK THOMAS: that you have with your clients? So your everyday people like your speaking is so brilliant. Now, if we're gonna bring it down. I represent people in the automotive industry, and that would be like
00:12:30.450 --> 00:12:31.250 JACK THOMAS: simple.
00:12:32.700 --> 00:12:42.189 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. So the very simple of it is is when I talk to my clients, you know, is so as simple as the tech can be. Hey? We want you to
00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:45.839 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: go file this. We don't want you to make this deal
00:12:46.125 --> 00:13:04.180 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: the deals. No good, because you will get robbed in the end, you know, I don't need to go through the explanation of why the percentages don't work, but in the end no, you will get robbed. So we just don't think it's a good deal, you know. Just make it very straightforward, and that is what is awesome about being able to translate that for my clients.
00:13:05.050 --> 00:13:19.370 JACK THOMAS: I loved. How your vernacular just shifted that you see that that's the beauty that's the beauty of working in New York and New Jersey, because your client base is probably as diverse as your warrior and leadership skill set has to play to.
00:13:19.690 --> 00:13:21.719 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:35.440 JACK THOMAS: Well, we're about to roll into break. We're at the happy spot. This is Jack Thomas. We have. J. Lo and Jlo, hopefully, I pronounce the firm's name right? We have a partner, Abdul? I asked him. I said, how do you wanna go? Because, by Abdul? And you know.
00:13:35.630 --> 00:13:58.019 JACK THOMAS: I always appreciate when someone is like you don't need to call me Mister Roberts or attorney. Every day. Guy on our show here today we'll be back in a moment what we're gonna pick up on our 3 levels of law from employment law cannabis, law and health law, and get a feedback from our attorney, Mister Abdul Jack Thomas, the happy spot! Be right back.
00:16:10.520 --> 00:16:11.690 JACK THOMAS: Hello, everybody!
00:16:11.800 --> 00:16:15.259 JACK THOMAS: Welcome back to Jack Thomas and the happy show.
00:16:19.740 --> 00:16:25.239 JACK THOMAS: I am just navigating right around here for a moment. Excuse me one second, let me stop that
00:16:27.540 --> 00:16:30.020 JACK THOMAS: and let me come right back into our view.
00:16:31.370 --> 00:16:32.360 JACK THOMAS: Okay.
00:16:33.250 --> 00:16:49.190 JACK THOMAS: so we have our guest here from J. Lo and J. Lo! Partner, Abdul Roberts, attorney. And he's gonna talk about topics that are in the marketplace, and the reason why I'm looking at it. Employment law in the State of New York and New Jersey changed
00:16:49.560 --> 00:16:53.260 JACK THOMAS: on June one, and there's a variety of new laws going in
00:16:58.990 --> 00:17:02.959 JACK THOMAS: and so we'd love to get your opinion on the employment law first, st
00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:21.719 JACK THOMAS: then a little bit on healthcare, just a little smattering. So unemployment law. I understand that non-competes, if they're assigned to New York, are no longer legitimate. I understand that if you're working in an hourly position, you now have to have a 20 min break right no longer. 15.
00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:42.999 JACK THOMAS: Right? What are the little things that are going on in New York and New Jersey? And the reason why I ask this, it's because of the psychosocial problem that is going on, and we at the happy spot solve it. But it hasn't really delineated all the way down. But it will. But what are you seeing? Or what can you share with your feedback on experience and some of these new changes for your clients.
00:17:43.340 --> 00:17:55.550 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. So you know, it's interesting cause I have clients on both sides who are affected by this, either whether it benefits them or it. You see it as a negative. I don't think it's necessarily a negative with regard. What you are seeing is.
00:17:55.760 --> 00:18:04.910 JACK THOMAS: So elaborate. So when you said both sides so a little bit about your business, so we can have you promoted to other clients that we're speaking to. What? So what are both sides? If you can.
00:18:04.910 --> 00:18:18.751 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Okay? So yeah, and no, no problem. So I do management side labor and deployment. Which means I would be dealing with the management. Whether or not you'll be taking disciplinary action against an employee things of like that of that nature. But I also deal with
00:18:19.040 --> 00:18:39.380 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: prosecuting and defending wage claims. So if a particular employee, specifically like in New York, there's there is specific laws regarding when overtime comes into play, what is minimum, what is minimum wage depending on this job description, things like that. So there's a lot of disputes that come as a result of that.
00:18:39.895 --> 00:18:41.439 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: And then also.
00:18:41.580 --> 00:19:02.930 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: we do more general stuff, just like implementation for businesses, like a policy and procedure, so that employees can know what's going on, and that they could be comporting with the laws. So we do all of that. So we kind of see both sides of it. But I do think that there is a social shift that is occurring here. And what you kind. What you see is the law kind of
00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.490 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: catching up with that in a sense, where, where.
00:19:07.690 --> 00:19:32.849 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: specifically with non-compete clauses. There's been a shift in what people were what you would have expect maybe 30 years ago, where people are very local with their job. They live near where they work. Their family is close to where they live. You didn't really see the transient population, which is less than what you see now, you see a lot more people who are moving, I mean, Covid was a great example of work from home and people deciding to
00:19:33.170 --> 00:19:43.829 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: move and still work in a different state. And so the impact of those non competes are a little bit different than what you'd expected maybe 30 years ago. So
00:19:44.090 --> 00:19:51.809 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: I do see us very big social shift that where the labor and employment sector is catching up and
00:19:52.100 --> 00:20:02.299 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: there will be some, there will be some time where it takes a for us to get used to it. But I can't say that all the changes are bad. I think some of our just really just catching up at the times.
00:20:02.700 --> 00:20:09.600 JACK THOMAS: So you you just enunciated all of it so perfectly. So I just want to sound it out. So
00:20:10.650 --> 00:20:19.020 JACK THOMAS: as an attorney, you recognize the socioeconomic changes by the laws, catching up what has been outdated for 30 years.
00:20:19.320 --> 00:20:45.279 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Absolutely, absolutely. And and and you know that's our job, like my job as an attorney is to kind of bring that forward as well with my clients like, Hey, this may be a little outdated. Let's go get something done about this, and let's force. You know, the Sess Socio economic issues to catch up. And let's have this in paper, because that's the protection of law supposed to give you is to protect those socioeconomic things that you know the everyday person
00:20:45.380 --> 00:20:46.025 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: can't.
00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:58.016 JACK THOMAS: Perfect. So that's unemployment. Now that it's secondary part you get to choose your your choice, you wanna go cannabis, or you wanna go healthcare which one comes
00:20:58.560 --> 00:21:00.739 JACK THOMAS: in that cycle of conversation.
00:21:01.010 --> 00:21:15.219 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: So I would say, cannabis. I think cannabis comes second to that, because what you're also seeing in the sh in that which is kind of overlapping is the intersection between the change in labor deployment and how that is
00:21:15.530 --> 00:21:19.260 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: implemented in the cannabis industry and how unique that is.
00:21:19.830 --> 00:21:46.689 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: And then also the impacts of use of cannabis on employment outside of the industry, and what employers are doing with regard to the legalization of marijuana in New York and New Jersey at the State level, but not at the Federal level, and then now with the most recent recommendation to reschedule it. So you know, you kind of see, these still very socioeconomic issue being.
00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:50.479 JACK THOMAS: So thank you. So you brought up a topic that
00:21:50.510 --> 00:21:54.820 JACK THOMAS: I heard at the event when people were talking. But I'm ignorant of
00:21:54.870 --> 00:21:56.370 JACK THOMAS: the rescheduling.
00:21:56.450 --> 00:22:06.500 JACK THOMAS: So number One Gaetano had an expungement for people that helping them out that had problems in the past which I think is awesome
00:22:06.570 --> 00:22:09.450 JACK THOMAS: right? Giving back to the community.
00:22:10.530 --> 00:22:15.780 JACK THOMAS: But what what does that look like to you from from where we were.
00:22:16.760 --> 00:22:25.630 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: So I think, ex. So I'll be honest with you. Expungements are a necessary tool in this when we're come, when we're gonna move, and we're when we're gonna
00:22:25.700 --> 00:22:37.460 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: acknowledge the socio economic impact of marijuana, the benefits of it in the industry, then expungement in this, the social side is just important as the economic side of it.
00:22:37.460 --> 00:22:41.960 JACK THOMAS: But so explain. So I'll give you an example how I'm thinking. But
00:22:42.010 --> 00:22:44.130 JACK THOMAS: I want you to help me confirm.
00:22:44.910 --> 00:23:02.149 JACK THOMAS: So I have a dear friend of mine, 58. When we were kids he dealt drugs, got in trouble, got busted, and now he works at a very high level corporate environment job. But it's not a license job, not a doctor very successful in making money.
00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:18.980 JACK THOMAS: But if he wanted to get a license to be an attorney, or in some of the professions I'm in. He couldn't get it. So is that what the expungement does? And who is it? Who is it cater to people that have a drugs in the problem in the past, or am I missing something.
00:23:19.280 --> 00:23:37.239 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: So I would say, the exposures are more catered towards those that are less for selling and more for, like the simple possession. So just a a slight change in the scenario you gave me. Let's say the same friend was arrested for the the possession of marijuana back in 19 8,
00:23:37.370 --> 00:23:49.972 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: and they were able to, you know, pay their fine, and they're working at a high level place and everything like that. But they're unable to do certain things because they have that that expungement was geared to remove that W. When it comes to the the more.
00:23:50.230 --> 00:23:54.179 JACK THOMAS: That's state. Is that State driven the expungement? Or is it Federal driven.
00:23:54.430 --> 00:24:20.879 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: It's so it's currently it's state driven currently. You only see now there is talk at the Federal level where they will, where they will offer some clemency. But there, that hasn't been seen on a consistent basis yet where you see these bigger programs at State level. So you see, the State in New York, the State of New Jersey, saying, these are policies that we're gonna implement here, and we'll exchange our will expunge our state of offenses for that, for that matter.
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:24.097 JACK THOMAS: Yup, so that'll be great. So I just was sitting with
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.211 JACK THOMAS: I don't want a high level
00:24:28.810 --> 00:24:39.170 JACK THOMAS: institution school institution in New York on employment service. So that would be great to know that people get expungements and creating jobs and opportunity and going back to the economic.
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:54.900 JACK THOMAS: you started saying something. I interrupted you before, and my apologies there on the rating of drugs or the classification. So what's a class? One class 3, class 4. And how does that affect marijuana on sales and usage?
00:24:55.050 --> 00:25:17.620 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. So Ju, just generally understanding the difference between the scheduling. Th, there's 5 scheduling currently. And the drugs are classified, based on what the Dea has determined to be their medical use. So class one is the least amount of a medical use, and as you increase in number, there's more medical use for that particular.
00:25:18.010 --> 00:25:25.639 JACK THOMAS: So, so, so one second sorry. So you sound like the doctors when I go to the doctor, and I don't go to many doctors, and they talk to me. I go. I don't know what you just said.
00:25:25.670 --> 00:25:29.839 JACK THOMAS: so. Class one is A is a
00:25:30.283 --> 00:25:32.250 JACK THOMAS: not good for medical or.
00:25:32.250 --> 00:25:38.634 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yes, not good for medical. So if it's class one is not good for medical. If it's Class 3, that means there's more medical use. So.
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.660 JACK THOMAS: Maximum. What would be an example? Besides, marijuana.
00:25:41.950 --> 00:25:44.480 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah, so another class, one is like opioids.
00:25:44.930 --> 00:25:46.150 JACK THOMAS: I saw.
00:25:46.150 --> 00:26:00.149 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: In highly addictive drugs that you know there may be some medicinal. There may be medical use, but they're so addictive they're so damaging that we do not think a person should have this in their possession on an everyday basis.
00:26:00.970 --> 00:26:04.050 JACK THOMAS: But opioids are written as a prescription from
00:26:04.100 --> 00:26:20.239 JACK THOMAS: from doctors. Right, you know. So we are taught that opioids listen. We all know now highly addictive. All the bad things I get it, but they're still being prescribed. So they're legal to prescribe. Yes, am I correct.
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:30.324 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yes, they're legal to pro to to prescribe. So the Deas has determined that they're still able to be used in medicine. Just they're going to be highly regulated. Right? So that's how
00:26:30.670 --> 00:26:46.510 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: so to the original question with the rescheduling, the recommendation has been now to reschedule marijuana from a schedule, one to a schedule. 3. So what that means in overarching just overarching is means that the government realizes that there's a medical use for marijuana.
00:26:47.060 --> 00:26:48.350 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: and that's important.
00:26:48.740 --> 00:26:49.930 JACK THOMAS: That's huge.
00:26:50.080 --> 00:27:11.540 JACK THOMAS: And so how come I go to your event? I hear it, but I'm not hearing it on the news. All I'm hearing about is things going on in Ukraine and Hamas, and the politics, and Biden hates trump and trump. Who cares right like? That's what I'm reading in my New York post. I read the post for 50 years. It's my measurement, right, wrong, or indifferent right.
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:21.259 JACK THOMAS: How come we're not hearing about this medical change, because we all know mental wellness is the biggest problem, and I'm not saying marijuana is an answer. But it's a tool.
00:27:21.610 --> 00:27:22.139 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Absolutely.
00:27:23.310 --> 00:27:28.630 JACK THOMAS: And and so what else is classified as Class 3. So we can relate to that. What else would be in that.
00:27:29.510 --> 00:27:41.180 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: I I'm not sure offhand exactly what else is in class 3. What I can provide for a good example is a class 4 is like ecstasy or Molly, and those are also used in
00:27:41.617 --> 00:27:53.299 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: in in prescription drugs. Right? There's there's certain things that are using prescription drugs to call like marijuana is a good is is good for nausea. So that's the medicinal usage is starting to see use for it.
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:56.389 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: But there's a variety of drugs. It's hard to
00:27:56.810 --> 00:28:05.019 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: level. Get a list of all of them, because, you know, there's the really unique names. But the most common ones. And I did bring it up. I think with you, Jack is, you know.
00:28:05.420 --> 00:28:13.460 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: ecstasy is scheduled for. So they see that there's more medical use out of ecstasy than there is marijuana, currently but we're not hearing about it, because
00:28:13.710 --> 00:28:30.470 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: it's not political. It's not. It's not. The the politicalization of it has has since went as more and more states tend to legalize it. There isn't the same political oomph behind it. So you're not seeing it come into the news when it's important to know that there is more medicine use out of marijuana.
00:28:31.550 --> 00:28:32.800 JACK THOMAS: So interesting.
00:28:33.170 --> 00:29:01.580 JACK THOMAS: So you really have to be versed in so many different scenarios. We're going to move, to break in a moment. We'll continue the conversation. But when we do, we're going to pick up on the healthcare side. So we touched upon employment. You see both sides of the table. You touch upon cannabis, and seeing all the changes going on and putting together, that our socioeconomic world is changing. And would you say it's because of maybe the speed of computers technology. And then the kickoff was the pandemic kind of all 3.
00:29:02.220 --> 00:29:04.240 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:29:04.600 --> 00:29:20.539 JACK THOMAS: So what we're going to come back to when we pick up in is healthcare, and we're going to continue on the training of the mind and what we believe at the happy spot. We are at the happy spot. This is Jack Thomas. We have Abdul Roberts from J. Lo and J. Lo! And we'll be right back.
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:24.780 JACK THOMAS: I would like to welcome everybody back to the happy spot. This is Jack Thomas.
00:31:25.060 --> 00:31:38.229 JACK THOMAS: and we have Abdul Roberts coming from J. Lo and J. Lo! And the topics we're talking about, and we're going to build from here is upon being a warrior. Being a leader, he, as an attorney representing his clients brings that
00:31:38.380 --> 00:31:40.949 JACK THOMAS: leadership of army training.
00:31:41.080 --> 00:31:55.439 JACK THOMAS: and then we break it down to his professional life in employment law, and representing both sides, whether explaining to the management side or to the employee, and representing we moved right into cannabis. And now we're going to move into healthcare.
00:31:55.650 --> 00:32:01.310 JACK THOMAS: So as a an attorney on healthcare. It's all over the place. I'm going to share something with you.
00:32:02.490 --> 00:32:05.889 JACK THOMAS: So this is how we biohack
00:32:06.030 --> 00:32:10.219 JACK THOMAS: into a large corporation. So most people, if they're working at a
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:21.399 JACK THOMAS: right, a fortune, 200, a fortune, 500. They get benefits beyond anyone's imagination, and I am blessed and fortunate that I've been involved in those types of organizations.
00:32:22.070 --> 00:32:25.430 JACK THOMAS: And so I had approached this company asking.
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:40.709 JACK THOMAS: Can the happy spot have access? And they heard about the work we're doing? So we're able to pull people in. And so it's the Rx card. Matt in Ohio created this. We're in 7 States right now. And so what it is is a health advocate card.
00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:47.539 JACK THOMAS: so like me at 58, I don't really go to doctors. I don't believe in them. That's my own personal thing.
00:32:47.810 --> 00:33:02.429 JACK THOMAS: But my clients and my friends go to doctors, and at 58 they're talking to 3 doctors, and they got 5 different things going on. If they had 1 point of view. Besides their mother, their sister, their wife, their friends. They're still confused.
00:33:02.430 --> 00:33:03.050 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Boom.
00:33:03.050 --> 00:33:10.210 JACK THOMAS: At the health advocate. When you get the health advocate they talk you right through it, and everybody gets their therapist from day one.
00:33:10.520 --> 00:33:28.939 JACK THOMAS: So that is how we're able to try and change. Society is, instead of being at the large corporation, and this sits at the back of your benefit, we make it the front of the benefit, and we coach the owner on the shifting mindset that this is what society is looking for. You see how our alignment is so in sync.
00:33:30.790 --> 00:33:31.989 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yes, I see this.
00:33:32.620 --> 00:33:35.090 JACK THOMAS: And and do you see it says this is not insurance.
00:33:35.090 --> 00:33:36.860 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yup, and I do see that.
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:52.770 JACK THOMAS: And so we're not talking on insurance. But this is an insurance vehicle that gives people access. And so I'd love to hear your professional on healthcare, and that's kind of an open forum. So we'll kind of flow in this conversation.
00:33:52.770 --> 00:34:09.770 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. And I think you, you know what you just ended on. There is awesome access, right? Access to healthcare is huge, right? And and what you're doing and putting mental health at the forefront rather than at the back burner is incredible, because
00:34:10.150 --> 00:34:25.609 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: mental health is one of those things that for years has been a debate on whether or not we should be covered by insurance things like that. And it's always been for a lot of people. They just put it, you know, to the side. So it's just awesome to be able to have someone who's
00:34:25.750 --> 00:34:40.210 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: really concentrating on that and helping a patient understand their own health from a different aspect. Right? Like you said earlier. You say a lot of big words. You don't always understand this, so you need someone to kind help translate that for you can't. You can't
00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:42.440 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: quantify that. Enough.
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:59.749 JACK THOMAS: I shared with you earlier what my family's about and where I came from. So I lived in a very upscale neighborhood. I was raised, but I worked in a very rough industry, and it was in the seventies eighties up until 2,004, and it was a rough industry.
00:34:59.750 --> 00:35:17.059 JACK THOMAS: and so you would just learn from people. You just have to say your truth, and so I'll never forget going to a doctor. I was 21. I was in Manhasset, Long Island. Very fancy I was very sick at the time. It was 4 years of multiple surgery, and I remember leaning in on the doctor and going. You talk to me in English, or I'm going to strangle you
00:35:18.430 --> 00:35:30.970 JACK THOMAS: now today we all know that you shouldn't behave that way, but I was so desperate at that point, and at 21 I didn't have the discipline. And knowing. And I had my mother going. Did you have to behave like that, I'm thinking to my mother.
00:35:31.300 --> 00:35:33.175 JACK THOMAS: I have nothing else, ma.
00:35:33.910 --> 00:35:44.905 JACK THOMAS: right? So it's my own personal struggles of what I have gone through in my life, and it's not the story about me. It's that when I share this with people everyone goes. Why is no one else doing it?
00:35:45.520 --> 00:35:55.039 JACK THOMAS: I don't know right so, and and it's not just me right. I have a chief medical officer, Dr. Donna. Right. She's been at this for years.
00:35:55.690 --> 00:36:05.820 JACK THOMAS: Doctor Burnout is at 65 I was in Atlantic City. She spoke at a wellness for urgent care centers, and educated me on how she, her her lab
00:36:05.910 --> 00:36:14.220 JACK THOMAS: laughter or humor was, I'm the doctor. 65% of us are burnt out. I am burnt out. How do I heal society?
00:36:15.630 --> 00:36:19.229 JACK THOMAS: If she's my safety valve. Oh, my gosh!
00:36:20.110 --> 00:36:31.830 JACK THOMAS: So it has to be the elder people like myself that we know that there's a struggle. And so we're starting to knock on the doors because people like you have already been knocking on the doors on the Socio. Economic
00:36:31.970 --> 00:36:33.450 JACK THOMAS: economic changes.
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.260 JACK THOMAS: please, I went on, a rant. There.
00:36:37.260 --> 00:37:01.749 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: No, no, no! And I think it's, you know, that's perfectly said, because it really is. There is a bridge of the gap coming in the healthcare industry. Right? I I think, Covid, help kind of propel that. And it really brought a spotlight to the individuals who are in the industry, saying, Hey, need to kind of have this shift. And this is. And it presented the time for that shift. So it's nice to see that there are. You know it's coming to the forefront more and more every single day.
00:37:03.010 --> 00:37:12.320 JACK THOMAS: Great. Thank you. So what else in the healthcare world, you know, do you think would be important to either? A business owner? I'll give you an example that I had to deal with.
00:37:13.620 --> 00:37:19.339 JACK THOMAS: So at some point in time I worked for a very large commercial carrier and represented over 90 businesses.
00:37:19.350 --> 00:37:27.070 JACK THOMAS: and the average employee count, let's call it was 70 employees, some of my my clients that I work. They had 1,200 employees.
00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:27.770 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Whoops.
00:37:27.770 --> 00:37:32.179 JACK THOMAS: And something in between there. And so, working for this large insurance carrier
00:37:32.430 --> 00:37:35.240 JACK THOMAS: employment law, we would get questions all the time.
00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:53.479 JACK THOMAS: and so we gave the guidance on. Here's best practice. So us who came in as the insurance company, here's best practice. So one best practice for this particular, no drugs. They had a 100. No drug policy. And this is going back, probably 1516 years ago.
00:37:54.070 --> 00:38:08.159 JACK THOMAS: And 180 employees, and this person tested positive for marijuana. But at the time the medical marijuana card just came out, and so he comes into the office to Hr. And goes. But I have a medical marijuana card. You can't fire. Why would you fire me?
00:38:09.290 --> 00:38:33.299 JACK THOMAS: And so it came to me at the time as a representative, and so, fortunately, I knew some of the attorneys that were working with the cannabis industry, and they gave us an opinion on. There is no ruling yet. It's also brand new. But if you hire him you're taking the risk of a lawsuit. But we're saying you should have the permission to hire him. But we can't give you the absolute.
00:38:33.923 --> 00:38:43.228 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: yeah, I think that's that's a perfect way to they probably put it in a perfect way to for you guys to say that was, that's the way I would give the advice as well. I'd have to say that.
00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:47.679 JACK THOMAS: So if you would fast forward some of the things you're seeing today cause that was the
00:38:47.950 --> 00:39:06.849 JACK THOMAS: evolution of the change. But now it seems that it's getting even muddier like we were talking earlier. New York right? 20 min waiting right? You you! How does that work that every employee is to get a 20 min break, and you know, maybe if we let them just get high for 2 min they don't need a 20 min break. We put them back to work quicker. That was meant to be a joke. That was a joke.
00:39:07.129 --> 00:39:15.519 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah, but you know, but that's that's a but that's a in just a great way to kind of look at it right? It's like, what's the you know
00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:40.369 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: cost? And what's the risk? Benefit? For you know these kind of spaces right? Especially when you have people who are have medicinal marijuana cards or things like that have been just have to use medicinal stuff. And how does that impact their employability? And then also, what does that mean for your healthcare plan? Like as an employer, you know. What are you looking to cover? How are you gonna do this? And then outside, like you said, when it comes to business.
00:39:40.370 --> 00:39:48.579 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: business and business policy, what are you setting yourself up for? Right? If you have, if you have a potential employee who walks in and it's high.
00:39:48.970 --> 00:40:04.460 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: What? What kind of you know? Second and 3rd order consequences can that have for you? So you know, it's it's an interesting I. It's an interesting space where it intersects a lot and you know, from the healthcare side and things like that, you really do need to have
00:40:04.560 --> 00:40:07.390 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: clear and consistent policy, so that you're not.
00:40:07.420 --> 00:40:11.740 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: you know, in a in a that gray area, as often as you could be.
00:40:12.620 --> 00:40:29.120 JACK THOMAS: Thank you. So what I'm gonna do now is kind of probe your mind on like one of your favorite cases that you can share that. You think you know the everyday business owner would want to know about from an employment healthcare perspective that's amusing that you can share.
00:40:30.100 --> 00:40:55.370 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. So I actually was defending. A couple of years ago. I actually had to defend a matter from a healthcare doctor. He owns. He own his own practice. He was going around, you know, kind of just doing his thing. He was a great great doctor. All his patients loved him. But he had this really funny, you know, scenario with it. A pro. An employee basically had walked in and basically was inappropriate in a sense
00:40:55.794 --> 00:41:00.889 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: and it led to that person, that employee ultimately being terminated. But
00:41:01.090 --> 00:41:10.879 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: what made this case very interesting and so funny about it was, there was a lot of cultural dynamics that came into it, but also the way that this
00:41:11.190 --> 00:41:15.219 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: doctor decided he was going to operate his practice was more of a
00:41:17.080 --> 00:41:42.439 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: let's say questionable line with his employees. So the policies that we had to, you know that his insurance company, in fact, actually brought to him. And he was like, Hey, they told me we were like, you know, we basically had to call back as a shares kid like, Hey, you wanna do our job for us, like, you guys have this, you guys have this on down pack but it's 1 of those things that we got. The the reason I really enjoy is, we got to really help this business owner put his business back in a good place.
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:50.419 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: and not lose what he had invested so much time into, and he was doing something unique. So we really wanted to help him in that sense.
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:52.250 JACK THOMAS: That's great.
00:41:52.850 --> 00:42:01.890 JACK THOMAS: So when I had worked at the insurance company and I started there over 20 years ago, our biggest problem was sexual harassment, discrimination claims.
00:42:03.270 --> 00:42:11.950 JACK THOMAS: And so we have the risk management tools. So we would go into a business on average of 70 employees and go install this tool.
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:17.060 JACK THOMAS: discount your insurance here, install this. We will discount here.
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:19.750 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah.
00:42:20.220 --> 00:42:24.520 JACK THOMAS: That's kind of my mindset. What we're gonna pick up is from a risk management
00:42:25.120 --> 00:42:32.620 JACK THOMAS: of how right the industry is operating from an insurance looks at what the Government's rules are.
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:38.170 JACK THOMAS: and then they solve the problem based upon what the government says to happen.
00:42:39.080 --> 00:42:41.370 JACK THOMAS: And then the money's held at the bank.
00:42:42.500 --> 00:42:57.899 JACK THOMAS: So we'll talk risk management, because I know there's a whole big conversation about money. The banks in the real question is, are the Federal Government. Are they gonna be doing anything? What's the talk going on there? But from a risk management perspective
00:42:57.970 --> 00:43:01.129 JACK THOMAS: of happiness, that's where we're going to come back.
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:09.690 JACK THOMAS: we're going to take a break. This is Jack Thomas at the happy spot, and we have Abdul Roberts from J. Lo and J. Lo! And we'll be right back.
00:45:14.080 --> 00:45:19.059 JACK THOMAS: Welcome back to the happy spot. This is Jack Thomas, and I have Abdul Roberts.
00:45:19.100 --> 00:45:29.869 JACK THOMAS: So before we move into the next segment on risk management. I want to kind of dovetail on. Do you hear the sound behind what our theme music is?
00:45:31.370 --> 00:45:34.378 JACK THOMAS: So I've done that intentionally, because
00:45:35.120 --> 00:45:40.649 JACK THOMAS: as a warrior right in business, I teach people how to control their mind.
00:45:40.710 --> 00:45:42.220 JACK THOMAS: because that's
00:45:42.250 --> 00:45:49.150 JACK THOMAS: really the the secret to success with so so many professionals, I know, and we focus on 5 senses.
00:45:49.780 --> 00:45:56.989 JACK THOMAS: So one sense that I subtly place in there is what is called Megahertz, or a binaural beat.
00:45:57.180 --> 00:46:21.150 JACK THOMAS: So most people here tuning forks, and they don't realize that the tuning fork. I think it's 432 is like the perfect pitch of Megahertz, and it's been around for hundreds of years. So what we do at the happy spot is, we accumulate tools for the senses sound binaural beats. So before I hop on my show to settle my energy down, because I had so much going on.
00:46:21.510 --> 00:46:23.310 JACK THOMAS: it gives me the focus.
00:46:24.550 --> 00:46:33.839 JACK THOMAS: We'll also use this in our training grounds in what we're working on right now. And so the training grounds are what I will call proving grounds.
00:46:33.910 --> 00:46:39.729 JACK THOMAS: So if I say today, in the United States, the proving grounds are where Aberdeen, Maryland.
00:46:40.170 --> 00:46:44.899 JACK THOMAS: what do they do in the proving grounds? They shoot off bombs and missiles and test them. Bless you.
00:46:45.110 --> 00:46:45.890 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Thank you.
00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:49.989 JACK THOMAS: The original proving grounds, did, you know, are in New Jersey.
00:46:51.670 --> 00:47:07.640 JACK THOMAS: 1818 74, Sandy Hook, I stumbled upon this. New Jersey has such a depth of information we don't know about. So for 50 years, 1874 into the 19 twenties, it was the original proving grounds.
00:47:07.660 --> 00:47:17.919 JACK THOMAS: and why I make that relevant is because I look at the guns. And then I look one mile over to my right. New York City is like sitting there. It's like Oz. It's like, Oh, my God!
00:47:17.970 --> 00:47:19.000 JACK THOMAS: Right
00:47:19.510 --> 00:47:28.660 JACK THOMAS: now today the proving grounds, I believe, are our minds, and it's a 50 year Quadrant. And here's why that's important.
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:31.149 JACK THOMAS: What's his name?
00:47:31.350 --> 00:47:34.749 JACK THOMAS: Napoleon Hill? Think and grow rich. Have you ever heard of him?
00:47:34.900 --> 00:47:35.550 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yes.
00:47:36.180 --> 00:47:39.630 JACK THOMAS: So he's famous for writing the book. It was written in 1937.
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:54.140 JACK THOMAS: It went back to 1887, for 50 years on the greatest industrial revolution the world has ever seen, and it was America, and he interviewed the smartest people in the world to find out. How do you think and grow rich.
00:47:54.720 --> 00:48:08.379 JACK THOMAS: Well, right here at the happy spot. You're part of the back 50 years. It's 2024, and people say, Hey, write a book. I said, I can't write a book. You know, this just is too much. So by doing the podcasts.
00:48:08.610 --> 00:48:19.499 JACK THOMAS: we are going back 50 years to 1974, because our whole society shifted to now a complete consumer society, whether you want it to be that way or not.
00:48:19.620 --> 00:48:32.399 JACK THOMAS: Maybe manufacturing comes back. It's starting to move this way. But in the meanwhile we're a consumer society. We're inundated. So using the senses. So one is sound. Number 2 is vision.
00:48:32.430 --> 00:48:48.470 JACK THOMAS: I'm gonna share with you the one thing that we've been using to help people settle in. And this is part of our Osha movement and employees. Well, are you ready? It's an easy one. In 10 seconds. I can settle anybody down in 10 seconds. I have to do it. So we're gonna go
00:48:48.700 --> 00:48:50.650 JACK THOMAS: put up your left hand for me, please
00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:52.399 JACK THOMAS: your right hand.
00:48:53.020 --> 00:48:54.649 JACK THOMAS: Are you a righty or a lefty.
00:48:54.890 --> 00:48:55.620 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Right.
00:48:56.060 --> 00:49:12.750 JACK THOMAS: Right. So you turn your right into like a lobster claw. So, Sarah, on my team. We call it the lobster floor now, and now, if you turn your left hand over and just kind of put it on top, and it's going into the meat of my hand right here. It's a gentle massage.
00:49:12.930 --> 00:49:15.350 JACK THOMAS: and I just roll it, and I drop it in my lap.
00:49:16.330 --> 00:49:20.520 JACK THOMAS: Now, imagine right, you're looking at me. You're in the same posture now. You have a connection.
00:49:20.550 --> 00:49:23.510 JACK THOMAS: So now, if you could take your left shoulder and drop it in the back
00:49:23.690 --> 00:49:26.149 JACK THOMAS: and take your right shoulder and drop it in the back
00:49:26.930 --> 00:49:30.139 JACK THOMAS: right? So now, if you could just breathe in through your nose
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.529 JACK THOMAS: and out through your mouth.
00:49:34.490 --> 00:49:35.809 JACK THOMAS: in through your nose.
00:49:36.850 --> 00:49:37.530 JACK THOMAS: Oh.
00:49:39.750 --> 00:49:41.900 JACK THOMAS: and now just breathe normal one more time.
00:49:46.310 --> 00:49:54.959 JACK THOMAS: So as I'm watching, we'd have to do a little more breath work, I can tell that there's a little blockage going through somewhere in your body, because you have too much going on.
00:49:55.740 --> 00:50:00.350 JACK THOMAS: But the intent is to have the body settle down, and I could see your shoulders did not.
00:50:02.660 --> 00:50:26.420 JACK THOMAS: So that's the type of work that we teach managers that were on zoom calls with their employees to settle down. And sometimes they just need to have some basic training in how to have that energy as it's moving through our body on how to breathe. So we have Shaquille Kevin Brown, a warrior. And we're going to be doing this online, for thousands of people cause the movement is always the same.
00:50:26.610 --> 00:50:27.210 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Avenue.
00:50:32.490 --> 00:50:38.940 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yes, no, no, this this is awesome. No, no, I could. I could feel what you're trying to do. And I I know exactly what you're saying.
00:50:39.370 --> 00:50:41.109 JACK THOMAS: And and so, because
00:50:41.260 --> 00:50:46.550 JACK THOMAS: I I'm my kids are living their life. So that's why I got to know
00:50:46.690 --> 00:50:54.980 JACK THOMAS: Shaquille, Kevin Brown, and other Yogis that are also warriors. So it's a risk management tool
00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:20.690 JACK THOMAS: that we're going to be presenting to Osha. So that's the part where we could talk about in the future to see where our services are in alignment. But I know what the Osha rules are. We know that Iso is already classified. This, and we know large corporations are doing it to some format. All we want to do it is quicker and faster, and in 10 seconds. If I could have a hundred of your employees on a zoom call and have one of my teachers show you how to do it.
00:51:20.870 --> 00:51:25.819 JACK THOMAS: God! Can we make society maybe a little easier, instead of people being so angst.
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:28.160 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Absolutely, absolutely.
00:51:28.530 --> 00:51:48.650 JACK THOMAS: So from a risk management perspective, we have a company to provide health advocate. We have the physical ability. We have more in our tool quadrant that we're putting out there for free. Doctor Donah wrote our remedy. If you're having anxiety instead of going to the doctor and getting a pill. But they normally.
00:51:48.760 --> 00:52:13.370 JACK THOMAS: we can give an alternative. And the alternative. Again, you follow the doctor's prescription. We do it on time. 21 days. You do it with a partner. Maybe you're gonna take magnesium. Maybe you're gonna take supplements. Maybe you go to a therapist, maybe you go to. But there's a there's a protocol on a process, and she is a chief happiness officer. And so she is our chief medical officer at the happy spot.
00:52:13.520 --> 00:52:19.889 JACK THOMAS: And so these are the types of services that we're targeting risk management, or is it healthcare?
00:52:20.170 --> 00:52:21.450 JACK THOMAS: Mr. Attorney?
00:52:22.070 --> 00:52:31.400 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: I think that's both. Yeah. I think it's both that you, because, you know, if you're really thinking about it from a from an employers or organizational aspect.
00:52:31.430 --> 00:52:43.829 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: that what you're teaching them is health and wellbeing for their employees in a day to day basis when that doesn't require them to utilize their insurance. Right? So that's its own health law in itself.
00:52:44.248 --> 00:52:49.040 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: And how you approach the wellbeing of your employees and things like that
00:52:49.332 --> 00:52:55.869 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: so I would think it's both. You know you. You're getting a little bit of both on that. It's risk management, because you are
00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:05.089 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: keeping away the Angst. You're getting a better product out of your employees. You're you're managing the risk you take for overworking your employees, but you're providing them with tools for their health.
00:53:06.150 --> 00:53:14.309 JACK THOMAS: We also provide part of our services at the happy spot is a lot of companies have already started buying tools. For instance, there's a company out there called Unmind.
00:53:14.510 --> 00:53:39.119 JACK THOMAS: And so one of the law firms that I work with that are in all 50 States use a company of bringing on mine, and the challenge that I said to my partners in Europe when they were asking me to do certain things, I said, it's in the Hr. Department and Hr. People are already overworked, and every time there's a new document give it to Hr. Give right. And so the last thing I want to do is walk into an Hr. Office and get a dirty look like here's a new document, and I'm not going to succeed.
00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:39.640 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah.
00:53:40.470 --> 00:53:54.649 JACK THOMAS: So i i i honor and respect my Hr compatriots right? That when we do show up we've already had this stuff set up. We're just saying Hello, cause we are targeting the Ceos and Cfos on the financial benefits
00:53:55.220 --> 00:54:04.010 JACK THOMAS: that we're going to show them how the tax savings and risk management of the liability on large corporations will pay for the benefits.
00:54:05.180 --> 00:54:09.749 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: no. I, and I can. I think that's an awesome way to approach it that you know that's the
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:17.389 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Unspoken benefit that they are gaining from this is, you know, you're getting a financial. You really are gaining financially from
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:22.779 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: assisting with the well-being. And you know the like. You said, the risk management less angst.
00:54:22.830 --> 00:54:28.869 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: less. You know comments, you know, that could get you in trouble to all of those type of things. So it's wonderful here.
00:54:29.350 --> 00:54:45.610 JACK THOMAS: So we're about to come to an end. But I really wanna compliment you. You you! How you kind of just jumped in. We? We didn't have anything prepared right? We just met the energy just felt right. I met your the gentleman that works for you. What's his name? Give him a shout out.
00:54:45.610 --> 00:54:47.710 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Gabriel Toff Gabriel Toff. Yes.
00:54:47.710 --> 00:54:49.860 JACK THOMAS: Yeah, and what? And what's Gabriel's role in your life?
00:54:50.120 --> 00:55:01.070 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: So he is a associate attorney at our firm, and he also, is a license class one a class to cannabis, license owner in the State of New Jersey. So we use him a lot for our kids. Industry, space.
00:55:01.510 --> 00:55:30.929 JACK THOMAS: Well, I'm I'm glad we can give him a shout out, because I felt both of your energy. But just as important is in my world, your law firm targets, New York and New Jersey, the volume of the volume of different choices just played into all my interests. And so your your firm is really doing a great job and being a partner out there. So who are some of the other leaders at your firm that you look up to that you'd want other people to know about in the in the world, because, you know, there are people that are mentoring you.
00:55:31.180 --> 00:55:56.429 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: Yeah. So I have our senior litigation counsel, Mr. Gregory Pascual. He's been an attorney for over 30 years. He is what I call my encyclopedia for litigation. He can remember case law right off the top of his head. And then also I have the 2 owners of our firm is Tina Jollo, who's a surrogate in the State of New Jersey. She's out there helping the everyday person with their estate matters.
00:55:56.430 --> 00:55:57.719 JACK THOMAS: What's a surrogate.
00:55:57.720 --> 00:56:14.693 Abdul Roberts, Esq.: A surrogate is a person who is tasked with helping people determine their their families estates. So if there is something that needs like someone dies with a will. They just need to go through the will process. She assisted with that. She's that neutral 3rd party.
00:56:15.040 --> 00:56:22.519 JACK THOMAS: That's awesome. Well, we're just about to come to our end, and I'm so glad we were able to get some of your mentors and get their names out there.
00:56:22.560 --> 00:56:40.019 JACK THOMAS: You and I will continue the conversation. I'll give you a buzz in a little bit if you're I'm just going to say, thank you. Really your insight and your help. I look forward to our future engagements of conversations. Jack Thomas, at the happy spot.
00:56:40.230 --> 00:56:51.659 JACK THOMAS: Pay attention to J. Lo and Jlo. Abdul Roberts, this is our future, everybody. This is wisdom. At the table, looking for our wellness. Thank you for joining. Have a great day. Everyone.
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