EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is pleased to welcome Psychologist, Spiritual Teacher, and Award-Winning Author, Maetreyii Ma Nolan, Ph.D.
Dr. Nolan works both as a spiritual teacher and in private practice as a psychologist to assist people in connecting with the loving bliss of the Divine Being and living lives that reflect that Divine love.
As an award-winning author, her most recent book, Into the Heart of the Infinite: A Spiritual Memoir of an Extraordinary Mystical Journey, along with her earlier books, helps people understand the power of spiritual connection to transform your life and how you can then live your spiritual values in personal life and in relationship to the world around you.
Some of her past books include: Dharma: for Awakening and Social Change, Living Love: the Yoga of Yama and Niyama, and Yoga Psychology: Understanding and Awakening Kundalini.
Not only is she is trained as a licensed Psychologist, she is also an Acharya or Ordained Minister of Yogic Meditation, a certified IAYT Yoga Therapist, and an EYRT 500-hour Yoga Teacher with many years of experience with deep meditation and yogic wisdom.
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Segment 1
On this episode of The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is joined by Psychologist, Spiritual Teacher, and Award-Winning Author, Maetreyii Ma Nolan, as they will discuss her work amongst other topics. To start the episode, Sam reads from his blog with a post entitled, “Cooperation Is What Drives Success, Not Competition.” As always, for more blog posts from Sam, please visit www.talkradio.nyc/blog or www.theconsciousconsultant.com for more information. From there, we are formally introduced to Dr. Nolan as the segment ends.
Segment 2
After the first break, we return to Sam and Dr. Nolan starting their conversation by discussing Dr. Nolan’s spiritual path and how she got interested in her career. From there, they also discuss how Dr Nolan’s profession is not common and how she feels about her perception of the mind, consciousness, and LSD usage compared to someone else who may not be as interested in the subject. We gain an idea of Dr. Nolan’s personal experience and how she views the power of the divine, the mind, and her spirituality awareness.
Segment 3
Moving along in the discussion, Sam questions since Dr. Nolan was very invested and knowledgeable with her spirituality, if she ever considered becoming a religious figure, such as a nun, to remove themselves from society to focus on meditating. Dr. Nolan shares a story as to why she didn’t remove herself from society and pursued her education, starting a family, and finding her new path in life. Sam and Dr. Nolan discuss her books, how she became inspired to write her three novels and the challenges she faced while writing.
Segment 4
As the episode comes to an end, Sam and Dr. Nolan wrap up their conversation by discussing how things have become different, such as relationships or her practices, as Dr. Nolan becomes older. Sam highlights that our world has become more divided and chaotic and asks Dr. Nolan on a spiritual level, what has spirits told Dr. Nolan and what can we look for if seeking guidance for the future. She finishes up by providing advice to those who are curious about what Sam and Dr. Nolan have discussed in this episode. To learn more about Dr. Nolan’s work, please visit www.yogama.org for more details.
00:00:45.420 --> 00:00:55.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity.
00:00:55.700 --> 00:01:21.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got a fascinating show in store for you with a wonderful, wonderful guest, who I will bring on in just a moment. First. Of course, my blog post from a couple of years ago again, just kinda taking my blog in order and
00:01:21.590 --> 00:01:25.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just going in order. And so this week's blog is entitled.
00:01:26.780 --> 00:01:31.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Cooperation is what drives success, not
00:01:31.410 --> 00:01:32.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: competition.
00:01:33.330 --> 00:01:37.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is an old belief that competition makes us better.
00:01:37.870 --> 00:01:40.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that it causes us to try harder
00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:42.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to strive more.
00:01:43.090 --> 00:01:46.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet in today's world things have shifted
00:01:46.630 --> 00:01:50.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the old. This old model does not work anymore.
00:01:50.490 --> 00:01:53.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it certainly is not sustainable.
00:01:54.780 --> 00:01:59.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Competition is a force that drives a wedge between us.
00:01:59.950 --> 00:02:02.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It keeps us separate and apart.
00:02:02.610 --> 00:02:07.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like a virus that conquers the cells in our body and causes disease.
00:02:08.180 --> 00:02:13.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Competition keeps us from cooperating and helping each other.
00:02:15.180 --> 00:02:19.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet what we need is exactly the opposite.
00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:24.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is not competition that drives innovation, it is cooperation.
00:02:25.030 --> 00:02:30.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for when we come together and work together. We can accomplish great things.
00:02:31.590 --> 00:02:36.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Bringing people together in cooperation is the greatest gift we had.
00:02:37.050 --> 00:02:40.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is how all of our biggest structures have been built.
00:02:41.440 --> 00:02:47.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Cooperation is what made it possible to build the Pyramids or the Eiffel Tower.
00:02:47.640 --> 00:02:50.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is how we are able to send people into space.
00:02:51.170 --> 00:02:54.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: explore the polar regions and map
00:02:54.930 --> 00:02:57.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: deepest parts the ocean.
00:02:58.750 --> 00:03:04.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is through cooperation that we survive as a species.
00:03:04.640 --> 00:03:05.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for
00:03:05.690 --> 00:03:09.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if all we promote is competition.
00:03:09.210 --> 00:03:13.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: then we will surely succumb to the challenges in front of us.
00:03:14.480 --> 00:03:19.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Cooperation allows us to make some of the greatest medical breakthroughs.
00:03:19.740 --> 00:03:22.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It has raised the standard of living
00:03:22.610 --> 00:03:25.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and created a less violent world.
00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:29.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet we still have a lot to learn.
00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:35.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: while both cooperation and competition exist side by side.
00:03:35.340 --> 00:03:37.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: one must ultimately prevail.
00:03:38.200 --> 00:03:41.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we must learn to think and act differently.
00:03:42.440 --> 00:03:46.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To stop this virus known as competition.
00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The antidote is cooperation.
00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:54.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can see it so clearly in our own lives.
00:03:54.310 --> 00:03:56.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: even on the smallest level.
00:03:57.420 --> 00:04:02.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When a family comes together and works together to achieve a goal.
00:04:02.130 --> 00:04:05.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it easily surpasses a family that does not.
00:04:06.760 --> 00:04:11.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: by coming together, especially in difficult times.
00:04:11.500 --> 00:04:14.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We get through any challenge
00:04:14.620 --> 00:04:16.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in a much easier way.
00:04:17.450 --> 00:04:19.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we go it alone.
00:04:19.320 --> 00:04:21.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is always harder.
00:04:21.850 --> 00:04:26.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The trick is to come together before disaster strikes.
00:04:27.310 --> 00:04:30.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we all benefit from working together.
00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:34.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Cooperation is the key to everyone's success.
00:04:35.450 --> 00:04:40.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So where in your own life can you stop acting out of competition
00:04:40.970 --> 00:04:44.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and start acting from cooperation.
00:04:45.760 --> 00:04:46.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:04:47.740 --> 00:04:50.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, this whole idea of of
00:04:50.640 --> 00:04:55.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the the dichotomy between cooperation and competition is one that
00:04:57.530 --> 00:05:02.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah, I've talked about in the past, and it's one that's been very present and to myself
00:05:03.540 --> 00:05:05.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for for decades now
00:05:07.260 --> 00:05:08.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yet still.
00:05:09.750 --> 00:05:23.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I think what what sort of spurred this me to write this blog post a couple of years ago was hearing someone talk about how Cooper, how competition spurs innovation, and it's and competition is good.
00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:29.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I really it just kind of struck me this time, and I was like, no.
00:05:29.610 --> 00:05:33.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we really need to adopt a different mindset
00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to take a different approach to things.
00:05:38.730 --> 00:05:44.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because if we keep hearing and we keep buying into this idea that
00:05:44.370 --> 00:05:46.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: competition is good.
00:05:46.960 --> 00:05:52.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: then we're never gonna move away from this idea of competition and move into
00:05:52.980 --> 00:05:56.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: truly what's being called for today, which is the error of
00:05:56.860 --> 00:05:58.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: cooperation.
00:06:00.590 --> 00:06:11.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, the whole structure of corporations is designed around the idea that when people work together for a common goal that we achieve more, and we do.
00:06:13.100 --> 00:06:19.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of course, a lot of it is always dependent upon the leadership and and who's directing the effort.
00:06:22.364 --> 00:06:27.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But you can see it over and over and over again in so many different ways.
00:06:29.590 --> 00:06:30.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In fact.
00:06:30.870 --> 00:06:33.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: competition divides us.
00:06:33.460 --> 00:06:36.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The competition causes us to do things that
00:06:37.250 --> 00:06:39.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: aren't truly in our nature.
00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We've heard so much about
00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how people in the past have
00:06:46.640 --> 00:06:53.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: stabbed people in the back. I literally just had a phone call last night
00:06:53.770 --> 00:06:56.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with a gentleman who's a business owner.
00:06:56.320 --> 00:07:08.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who? Who? 3 of the people who worked for him left and started up a competitive business, and are saying nasty things about him, and they're trying to drive him out of business out of jealousy.
00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:15.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Look, there's plenty to go around
00:07:16.200 --> 00:07:29.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that this scarcity mentality, which is what this whole idea of competition is driven around. It's like that. There's only enough for me, and not enough for both of us.
00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's such a false notion.
00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:37.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is so much abundance in this world.
00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:43.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The problem is not that there's not enough for everyone.
00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:47.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The real challenge is working together to get everyone who
00:07:47.990 --> 00:07:51.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who needs something, what they need.
00:07:51.500 --> 00:08:00.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There's too much sort of concentration of resources in just a very small segment of the population.
00:08:01.950 --> 00:08:05.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And if we stop making that, okay.
00:08:05.340 --> 00:08:10.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if we stop allowing these mind viruses
00:08:11.020 --> 00:08:17.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of yes, competition is good. Yes, only a few can make it to the top. It's BS.
00:08:21.030 --> 00:08:26.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I remember one time I I heard a report where they estimated that
00:08:26.860 --> 00:08:29.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: there is enough wealth in the world
00:08:29.830 --> 00:08:36.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to to supply every single human being, every single human being with
00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:43.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: food, clothing, shelter, and medical care 10 times over.
00:08:44.630 --> 00:08:48.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like not just once or twice, but 10 times over.
00:08:50.490 --> 00:08:56.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now, look, I'm not saying we shouldn't reward people for working hard and coming up with good ideas.
00:08:57.500 --> 00:09:00.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but there's a balance here
00:09:00.690 --> 00:09:09.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and today we see the the stratification of society, and we see things getting more and more and more extreme.
00:09:10.800 --> 00:09:13.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I remember when I was a kid.
00:09:13.550 --> 00:09:21.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The the difference between the lowest paid worker in a company and the and the President or CEO was about a 50 times
00:09:22.010 --> 00:09:23.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: difference.
00:09:23.470 --> 00:09:26.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now it's over 500.
00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:32.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Please somebody explain to me how that is reasonable.
00:09:33.920 --> 00:09:40.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how that is something that's a good thing that we should actually promote in society.
00:09:40.350 --> 00:09:42.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't get it.
00:09:43.900 --> 00:09:48.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All competition is doing is creating more suffering in the world.
00:09:49.780 --> 00:09:57.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This whole idea that I need to get mine and you can't have yours. It's nonsense.
00:09:57.730 --> 00:10:00.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All it is is hurting people.
00:10:03.820 --> 00:10:09.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I just kind of feel when we look into our hearts. And we really.
00:10:09.620 --> 00:10:12.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, search our souls for what is.
00:10:12.770 --> 00:10:23.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: feels right that that does not feel right for most people. I mean, I'm sure there are a few sociopaths and psychopaths who, you know, are perfectly fine with that.
00:10:23.950 --> 00:10:28.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But for the vast majority of people that's not okay.
00:10:29.410 --> 00:10:35.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet how things have developed in society is not reflective of that.
00:10:39.330 --> 00:10:46.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it to me. I feel one of those core core issues that have brought us to where we are today
00:10:46.610 --> 00:10:48.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is this whole idea that
00:10:48.870 --> 00:10:51.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: competition is a good thing.
00:10:53.400 --> 00:10:55.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know they'll look.
00:10:55.060 --> 00:11:00.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with playing a baseball game or a football game.
00:11:01.660 --> 00:11:10.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that we shouldn't strive to be better to be better physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, of course.
00:11:12.160 --> 00:11:13.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But there's a
00:11:13.880 --> 00:11:21.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: there's a subtle energy, there's a subtle attitude towards this idea of. There are winners and losers.
00:11:26.040 --> 00:11:35.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I know there are a lot of people out there who criticize like the the way some schools are. Now, where you get a trophy just for showing up.
00:11:37.090 --> 00:11:40.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I'm not saying it needs to go to such a
00:11:40.430 --> 00:11:42.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: opposite extreme.
00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:51.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But let's look at the world around us. Let's be honest with ourselves.
00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:59.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I I really don't get why people are so
00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:07.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: enthralled with these quote unquote influencers on social media who flaunt this flagrant
00:12:08.324 --> 00:12:17.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the wealth that that, and doing things that just don't make sense that most people will never afford in their lifetime.
00:12:19.800 --> 00:12:21.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How is that? Okay?
00:12:25.450 --> 00:12:26.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't know.
00:12:28.470 --> 00:12:30.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but I just feel that
00:12:31.450 --> 00:12:41.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: there are more and more challenges coming every day. The pandemic was just the first truly global challenge that affected everyone.
00:12:42.710 --> 00:12:45.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't feel it's going to be the last one.
00:12:45.780 --> 00:12:54.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't know if it's going to be a future pandemic or something from climate change or some other extreme event.
00:12:55.490 --> 00:12:59.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I just know in my heart of hearts that I feel
00:13:00.790 --> 00:13:02.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we need to learn to come together.
00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:09.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We need to cooperate a lot more than we currently are with each other
00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to really weather the storms that are ahead of us.
00:13:14.610 --> 00:13:16.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it's a choice.
00:13:16.620 --> 00:13:19.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Every day we get to make that choice.
00:13:20.590 --> 00:13:23.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Every day we get to choose
00:13:23.890 --> 00:13:27.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: which side of the equation we
00:13:27.370 --> 00:13:31.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: personally promote with our energy, with our voice.
00:13:31.570 --> 00:13:33.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with our wallets.
00:13:34.540 --> 00:13:36.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I'm just
00:13:36.700 --> 00:13:38.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: asking you for this week.
00:13:39.650 --> 00:13:42.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Let's focus on what we can do
00:13:42.280 --> 00:13:44.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to cooperate more
00:13:45.570 --> 00:13:48.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and fight with each other a little bit less.
00:13:49.290 --> 00:13:50.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's how we're
00:13:51.030 --> 00:13:52.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: really
00:13:52.420 --> 00:13:56.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: going to be able to bring a better future into this world.
00:13:57.550 --> 00:14:06.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I see loyal listener Patty tuning in on the live stream, liking the the today's blog post. Thank you, Patty, as always, I appreciate.
00:14:07.204 --> 00:14:14.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You so the title of that blog post is cooperation is what drives success, not competition.
00:14:15.040 --> 00:14:21.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I hope you liked it. Again, you can always find my blog@talkradio.nyc slash blog.
00:14:21.940 --> 00:14:26.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, on my personal website, the conscious consultant
00:14:26.900 --> 00:14:28.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: dot com
00:14:29.847 --> 00:14:41.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: alright. And now it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show psychologist, spiritual teacher, and award winning author. Mitre Nolan.
00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:56.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dr. Nolan works both as a spiritual teacher, and in private practice as a psychologist, to assist people in connecting with the loving bliss of the Divine Being and living lives that reflect that divine love
00:14:56.460 --> 00:14:59.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: as an award-winning author, her most recent book
00:14:59.920 --> 00:15:12.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: into the Heart of the Infinite, a spiritual memoir of an extraordinary mystical journey along with her earlier books help people understand the power of spiritual connection to transform your life.
00:15:12.350 --> 00:15:16.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and how you can then live your spiritual values and personal
00:15:16.910 --> 00:15:20.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and lives, and in relationship to the world around you.
00:15:21.090 --> 00:15:29.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Some of her past books include Dharma for awakening and social change, living love, the Yoga of Yama and Niyama
00:15:29.730 --> 00:15:39.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and Yoga psychology, understanding and awakening Kundalini. Not only is she trained as a licensed psychologist, she is also an
00:15:39.280 --> 00:15:40.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Akaria
00:15:40.590 --> 00:15:58.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or ordained minister of the Yoga meditation, a certified IYT yoga therapist and an EYRT. 500 h. Yoga teacher, with many years experience with deep meditation and Yoga wisdom, welcome to the conscious, consult.
00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.510 Maetreyii Ma: Thank you. It's wonderful to be here with you.
00:16:01.670 --> 00:16:21.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it's a pleasure to have you. I I have so so so many questions for you. Unfortunately, we've kinda take our first break. I apologize. I I kinda rambled on a little bit. Today's blog post. But but we're gonna dive into your background and how you came to be where you are today when we return. Okay.
00:16:22.510 --> 00:16:41.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: excellent. So everybody, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious, consulting hour awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to one Pm. Eastern time right here on. Talk radio. Nyc. Our guest this hour is Madrima Nolan, and we will be right back
00:16:42.580 --> 00:16:45.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with our guest in just a moment.
00:19:01.590 --> 00:19:06.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consultant, our weakening humanity
00:19:06.060 --> 00:19:11.835 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: this this hour we're speaking with my trey, ma, Dr. Matray, Ma Nolan,
00:19:12.300 --> 00:19:23.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we didn't get a chance to kind of dive into your background a little bit. But you you have a very spiritual background. You've been studying yoga and Yoga philosophy for for decades.
00:19:24.310 --> 00:19:30.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How did you first get onto your spiritual path? What kind of brought you to this this world?
00:19:31.430 --> 00:19:41.587 Maetreyii Ma: Well, my book into the heart of the Infinite is about this journey of mysticism, and really it started as a child, I I had a lot of
00:19:42.980 --> 00:19:50.760 Maetreyii Ma: I felt a real connection to nature, to animals and to plants, and then began to experience
00:19:51.925 --> 00:19:55.578 Maetreyii Ma: a divine presence that I felt near me, and
00:19:56.650 --> 00:20:03.043 Maetreyii Ma: that I felt that presence around me with me, and it felt very holy
00:20:04.070 --> 00:20:04.980 Maetreyii Ma: And
00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:09.770 Maetreyii Ma: that connection was my first introduction
00:20:11.010 --> 00:20:16.930 Maetreyii Ma: sense of a divine presence. There was no guidance, there was no instruction, but there was this sense of presence.
00:20:17.410 --> 00:20:19.524 Maetreyii Ma: and then I went on to
00:20:21.250 --> 00:20:25.230 Maetreyii Ma: sort of move out of that into my teenage years, and so on. And
00:20:25.270 --> 00:20:26.520 Maetreyii Ma: and
00:20:27.470 --> 00:20:29.660 Maetreyii Ma: then, in my early twenties, I,
00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:34.671 Maetreyii Ma: like many people of the time, got introduced to psychedelics, and
00:20:36.120 --> 00:20:40.640 Maetreyii Ma: had very profound mystical experiences with psychedelics which
00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.709 Maetreyii Ma: then led me to make the story very brief,
00:20:45.600 --> 00:20:48.299 Maetreyii Ma: to meditation
00:20:48.520 --> 00:20:50.499 Maetreyii Ma: and the Yogic path. And so.
00:20:50.500 --> 00:20:51.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:20:51.170 --> 00:20:53.290 Maetreyii Ma: In my early twenties I
00:20:53.310 --> 00:20:56.569 Maetreyii Ma: begin. Meditating.
00:20:57.620 --> 00:21:05.199 Maetreyii Ma: I also went to India to see my Guru. But what really happened is that in my meditation.
00:21:05.320 --> 00:21:07.439 Maetreyii Ma: Again this presence came.
00:21:07.670 --> 00:21:11.420 Maetreyii Ma: and I felt this divine, holy presence which I now
00:21:12.030 --> 00:21:13.600 Maetreyii Ma: associated with my
00:21:13.730 --> 00:21:14.920 Maetreyii Ma: my Guru.
00:21:15.250 --> 00:21:21.290 Maetreyii Ma: and this guidance told me the name was Baba before I ever met
00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:27.133 Maetreyii Ma: my physical guru, and before I really knew anything about Guru or anything, this
00:21:27.870 --> 00:21:32.590 Maetreyii Ma: this presence came in my meditation and began to guide me.
00:21:33.150 --> 00:21:34.150 Maetreyii Ma: and
00:21:35.030 --> 00:21:37.239 Maetreyii Ma: that opened up to a lot of
00:21:38.360 --> 00:21:41.309 Maetreyii Ma: profound experiences of mystical
00:21:41.770 --> 00:21:42.830 Maetreyii Ma: presence.
00:21:43.490 --> 00:21:45.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It. It may ask you,
00:21:46.320 --> 00:21:47.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: may ask you.
00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:51.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know I've heard a lot of people talk about
00:21:51.500 --> 00:21:56.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: sort of the mystical experience of psychedelics, how it sort of opened them up
00:21:56.570 --> 00:21:57.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to
00:21:57.950 --> 00:22:00.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a new world. A different world!
00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was it something that
00:22:04.163 --> 00:22:06.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: kind of opened you up in a very
00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:08.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a
00:22:08.699 --> 00:22:18.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like immediate way, or was it something? That sort of started the opening? And then, as you got attracted more and more to to
00:22:19.100 --> 00:22:22.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the the spiritual studies that then it really blossomed.
00:22:24.360 --> 00:22:32.959 Maetreyii Ma: It. The the opening on psychedelics on a series of Lsd experiences was
00:22:33.020 --> 00:22:35.270 Maetreyii Ma: deeply, deeply profound.
00:22:35.490 --> 00:22:37.300 Maetreyii Ma: And then.
00:22:37.550 --> 00:22:40.430 Maetreyii Ma: as that path closed.
00:22:41.365 --> 00:22:44.290 Maetreyii Ma: meditation became a way of
00:22:45.740 --> 00:22:47.179 Maetreyii Ma: opening that up again.
00:22:47.330 --> 00:22:47.875 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To
00:22:49.310 --> 00:22:57.869 Maetreyii Ma: On on psychedelics. It really opened up into the, you know, the unitary wholeness, like looking at the leaf. And and
00:22:58.070 --> 00:23:04.520 Maetreyii Ma: you go into the molecular, and you go into the cosmic, and it just all blends into one.
00:23:04.630 --> 00:23:08.450 Maetreyii Ma: And that unitary wholeness is there, the slowing of time.
00:23:08.530 --> 00:23:11.450 Maetreyii Ma: the unitary essence of being.
00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.429 Maetreyii Ma: and that really
00:23:14.630 --> 00:23:19.179 Maetreyii Ma: led to some very deep and profound experiences on Lsd.
00:23:19.930 --> 00:23:30.699 Maetreyii Ma: We? But you know I was. I was young. I lived in Southern Illinois. I really had no idea of spirituality. It was before all of this information was so available.
00:23:30.750 --> 00:23:46.239 Maetreyii Ma: and I didn't even know that people had these experiences outside of Lsd, so so when I took a course in Eastern religion, and I read the bag of a Gita. I went. Oh, other people will have these experiences, and they didn't take any drugs. They
00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:50.413 Maetreyii Ma: you know that this is real, you know, and and so
00:23:50.810 --> 00:23:59.679 Maetreyii Ma: it was a matter of my personal ignorance, I would say, and and having profound experiences.
00:23:59.850 --> 00:24:10.910 Maetreyii Ma: But it was scary. It was hard because I I didn't have any context for it. I didn't know that other people had these experiences. I was very innocent of.
00:24:12.580 --> 00:24:19.580 Maetreyii Ma: Of the context of it all. It was just spontaneous experience for me
00:24:19.820 --> 00:24:20.570 Maetreyii Ma: and
00:24:22.120 --> 00:24:28.659 Maetreyii Ma: recognizing the unitary whole of being and moving into that and and into the
00:24:30.120 --> 00:24:31.709 Maetreyii Ma: not only the
00:24:31.790 --> 00:24:35.710 Maetreyii Ma: unitary hole, but deeper than that into the
00:24:38.710 --> 00:24:40.859 Maetreyii Ma: space of no time.
00:24:40.930 --> 00:24:42.090 Maetreyii Ma: no.
00:24:42.380 --> 00:24:44.040 Maetreyii Ma: not even bliss.
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:48.320 Maetreyii Ma: just being just simply between being and nonbeing
00:24:49.020 --> 00:24:51.619 Maetreyii Ma: and into the
00:24:52.130 --> 00:24:53.350 Maetreyii Ma: total
00:24:53.850 --> 00:24:55.170 Maetreyii Ma: collapse of
00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:56.890 Maetreyii Ma: manifestation.
00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:57.760 Maetreyii Ma: And
00:24:58.380 --> 00:24:59.459 Maetreyii Ma: there is some
00:24:59.710 --> 00:25:06.549 Maetreyii Ma: very profound experiences on Lsd, so it was a real door opener for me. But I do feel that
00:25:06.650 --> 00:25:14.390 Maetreyii Ma: psychedelics are a good door opener, and I was perhaps ready to have those experiences.
00:25:15.090 --> 00:25:18.030 Maetreyii Ma: But it is not a path through.
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.069 Maetreyii Ma: It's a look. See.
00:25:22.520 --> 00:25:24.890 Maetreyii Ma: You know, and for me it was a look, see.
00:25:25.080 --> 00:25:30.239 Maetreyii Ma: very profound, and then a door closed because it wasn't a path through.
00:25:30.730 --> 00:25:31.650 Maetreyii Ma: and
00:25:31.840 --> 00:25:34.390 Maetreyii Ma: then finding meditation
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:42.719 Maetreyii Ma: and finding my own mystical relationship to the divine, which was natural, and doesn't really require any kind of
00:25:42.840 --> 00:25:45.010 Maetreyii Ma: substance to connect with.
00:25:46.300 --> 00:25:51.599 Maetreyii Ma: Once I dropped down into a deeper level. That connection just unfolded.
00:25:51.780 --> 00:25:52.560 Maetreyii Ma: and
00:25:54.370 --> 00:25:58.510 Maetreyii Ma: meditation is, is more of a sustainable
00:25:58.900 --> 00:25:59.969 Maetreyii Ma: method to
00:26:00.650 --> 00:26:04.400 Maetreyii Ma: connect with the unitary whole, and to bring that into your life.
00:26:04.860 --> 00:26:06.429 Maetreyii Ma: and to alter
00:26:08.070 --> 00:26:10.990 Maetreyii Ma: in the more permanent way your perceptual field.
00:26:10.990 --> 00:26:12.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right
00:26:15.820 --> 00:26:21.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, as as you said, like back then, there wasn't a lot of access to this stuff.
00:26:22.478 --> 00:26:25.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it wasn't very common. So
00:26:26.310 --> 00:26:31.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a a as you started to find this stuff as you started to take courses and learn about it.
00:26:33.430 --> 00:26:37.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Obviously there was something that drew you in on a very, in a very personal way.
00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:40.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What was it?
00:26:41.750 --> 00:26:44.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What do you feel? Was it that
00:26:44.540 --> 00:26:55.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: drew someone like yourself in? But there could have been someone sitting right next to you, taking the class who were like, Oh, yeah, this is nice, but didn't necessarily feel the same
00:26:55.210 --> 00:26:57.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: connection to the material.
00:26:59.910 --> 00:27:03.330 Maetreyii Ma: I had already experienced the status of consciousness.
00:27:03.913 --> 00:27:09.420 Maetreyii Ma: So so it was an affirmation of what I already knew. It wasn't.
00:27:09.770 --> 00:27:10.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You.
00:27:10.120 --> 00:27:11.670 Maetreyii Ma: It wasn't a learning.
00:27:12.030 --> 00:27:13.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:27:13.709 --> 00:27:22.300 Maetreyii Ma: And so it wasn't something I needed to take somebody else's advice to believe it was something I had already experienced.
00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:24.969 Maetreyii Ma: It's something I knew that existed.
00:27:25.710 --> 00:27:34.200 Maetreyii Ma: and so I wasn't learning about somebody else's ideas, or something that I hadn't personally experienced. I was receiving it
00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:35.760 Maetreyii Ma: affirmation
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.270 Maetreyii Ma: that other people experienced.
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:39.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:45.060 Maetreyii Ma: And understood these states of consciousness, the unitary wholeness of all being.
00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:46.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:48.480 Maetreyii Ma: And so
00:27:48.630 --> 00:27:52.170 Maetreyii Ma: I think the blessing of Lsd. For me was
00:27:52.210 --> 00:27:54.290 Maetreyii Ma: bringing me into
00:27:56.030 --> 00:28:01.290 Maetreyii Ma: this vast unitary wholeness, and giving me direct experience.
00:28:01.370 --> 00:28:02.840 Maetreyii Ma: which then
00:28:05.660 --> 00:28:11.450 Maetreyii Ma: moved forward, you know, and Lsd. Was a more impersonal experience of the
00:28:11.620 --> 00:28:13.329 Maetreyii Ma: the whole universe.
00:28:13.910 --> 00:28:25.699 Maetreyii Ma: But then, when I was a child, and then again, when things opened up in my meditation, the experiences were very personal that I met this divine guide.
00:28:25.980 --> 00:28:27.450 Maetreyii Ma: I met this
00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:33.539 Maetreyii Ma: guiding presence, and in the deep, deep love
00:28:34.270 --> 00:28:40.479 Maetreyii Ma: is there for the unitary whole of being. That presence was a door
00:28:40.510 --> 00:28:41.630 Maetreyii Ma: through which.
00:28:42.870 --> 00:28:44.970 Maetreyii Ma: connecting to that
00:28:46.300 --> 00:28:49.170 Maetreyii Ma: is connecting to the deep
00:28:50.740 --> 00:28:57.440 Maetreyii Ma: subterranean river of of infinite love which abides in all that is.
00:29:01.040 --> 00:29:02.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm just wondering
00:29:03.050 --> 00:29:08.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on a personal level for yourself as you're exploring and opening up on this path.
00:29:09.220 --> 00:29:11.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Were the people around you supportive.
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:16.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or did it not really matter to you whether they were supportive or not?
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:22.569 Maetreyii Ma: When I was a child.
00:29:23.260 --> 00:29:26.879 Maetreyii Ma: I think I was very isolated, and I felt very alone
00:29:27.296 --> 00:29:30.543 Maetreyii Ma: because I didn't feel that anyone around me
00:29:31.220 --> 00:29:34.580 Maetreyii Ma: I didn't share my experience, because I quickly learned that.
00:29:35.670 --> 00:29:37.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: People didn't have those experience.
00:29:37.360 --> 00:29:38.159 Maetreyii Ma: So could it.
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:39.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Late. Yeah.
00:29:39.130 --> 00:29:42.230 Maetreyii Ma: Yeah, my understandings of things. My
00:29:42.390 --> 00:29:54.929 Maetreyii Ma: experience of connectedness was different than the people around me, and I I felt a yearning as if I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. You know, I wanted to be with the divine, and it wasn't.
00:29:55.550 --> 00:29:57.800 Maetreyii Ma: It wasn't in my environment
00:29:57.990 --> 00:29:58.855 Maetreyii Ma: and
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:02.930 Maetreyii Ma: Then
00:30:03.790 --> 00:30:06.250 Maetreyii Ma: I would say the people were supportive.
00:30:07.070 --> 00:30:10.619 Maetreyii Ma: They did not necessarily understand my experience.
00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:14.559 Maetreyii Ma: but they were supportive. But what really happened is
00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:16.050 Maetreyii Ma: that
00:30:16.410 --> 00:30:19.300 Maetreyii Ma: this, through this divine connection
00:30:19.450 --> 00:30:24.920 Maetreyii Ma: I was moved into a more supportive environment, and then I. Then I went to India.
00:30:25.060 --> 00:30:25.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:30:25.900 --> 00:30:28.619 Maetreyii Ma: And I lived there for a year or so, and
00:30:29.490 --> 00:30:30.360 Maetreyii Ma: and the
00:30:30.580 --> 00:30:32.129 Maetreyii Ma: in the Ashram.
00:30:32.450 --> 00:30:33.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who.
00:30:33.430 --> 00:30:35.300 Maetreyii Ma: Of my Guru, and and
00:30:35.570 --> 00:30:36.340 Maetreyii Ma: that
00:30:36.540 --> 00:30:41.089 Maetreyii Ma: really was a very, very, very different environment. And.
00:30:41.090 --> 00:30:41.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Man.
00:30:42.390 --> 00:30:47.139 Maetreyii Ma: There was a lot of support, you know. So so I I moved into support.
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.060 Maetreyii Ma: And then I think the general consciousness of
00:30:53.110 --> 00:31:01.860 Maetreyii Ma: many people has changed over the years, and there's Eastern philosophy and mysticism have moved in.
00:31:02.497 --> 00:31:06.372 Maetreyii Ma: They reflect in many things, including your blog this morning.
00:31:08.630 --> 00:31:09.380 Maetreyii Ma: and
00:31:10.690 --> 00:31:17.630 Maetreyii Ma: The same understanding, that there is a unitary base to all existence.
00:31:17.820 --> 00:31:24.520 Maetreyii Ma: a love which is universal, and that that is the inherent nature of every living being.
00:31:25.368 --> 00:31:28.060 Maetreyii Ma: Is more understood now that
00:31:28.430 --> 00:31:32.780 Maetreyii Ma: and from that comes a different understanding of how to be in the world.
00:31:32.780 --> 00:31:33.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:31:33.610 --> 00:31:34.195 Maetreyii Ma: And
00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:39.150 Maetreyii Ma: not
00:31:39.520 --> 00:31:42.299 Maetreyii Ma: in competition, but in
00:31:42.820 --> 00:31:44.549 Maetreyii Ma: alignment with life.
00:31:45.469 --> 00:31:52.309 Maetreyii Ma: And my book, Yama Living Love, which is on the Yogic principles of Yama Nyama, which is, are the
00:31:54.310 --> 00:32:06.960 Maetreyii Ma: ethical codes of Yoga. But really, as a psychologist, I see them as behavioral. They have to do with how we relate to the world around us? Do we relate in doing no harm?
00:32:07.110 --> 00:32:11.099 Maetreyii Ma: Do we relate in being authentic and honest.
00:32:11.770 --> 00:32:13.403 Maetreyii Ma: relate in
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:21.820 Maetreyii Ma: desiring what other people have, and trying to grab it in some way? Or do we find contentment and peace in in our.
00:32:22.040 --> 00:32:24.320 Maetreyii Ma: and what we do have and who we are.
00:32:24.450 --> 00:32:28.080 Maetreyii Ma: you know, their their ways of being in alignment
00:32:28.110 --> 00:32:30.809 Maetreyii Ma: in your life in the world, so that you can
00:32:31.070 --> 00:32:32.250 Maetreyii Ma: can
00:32:32.390 --> 00:32:38.259 Maetreyii Ma: come into spiritual awareness so that you can drop down and
00:32:38.380 --> 00:32:43.329 Maetreyii Ma: understand your inherent nature, and the inherent nature of all that is.
00:32:43.660 --> 00:32:44.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:32:45.010 --> 00:32:48.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
00:32:48.570 --> 00:32:57.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: actually have a question for you around this. But we need to take our next break. So I'm going to wait to ask until we come back.
00:32:58.938 --> 00:33:10.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Dr. Madreya monolan psychologist and spiritual teacher.
00:33:11.070 --> 00:33:17.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and we we still got a couple of segments to go. I look forward to the rest of the conversation. Stay with us.
00:35:21.930 --> 00:35:23.857 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back.
00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:28.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so so, Dr. Nolan, I'm I'm just curious. As you
00:35:28.940 --> 00:35:29.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: were
00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:36.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: entering into this world, meditating, feeling that connection to all that is.
00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:41.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: did you ever consider? And I know you. You spent a year at the Ashram.
00:35:41.510 --> 00:36:04.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Did you ever consider like becoming a a nun or a monk and kind of removing yourself from society and just meditating. And I asked this question because the founder of this network, you know, 14 years ago he, he sold it to me in order so that he could become a terra vaden monk and don his robes, and he's been being a monk and meditating ever since then.
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:22.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and so you were talking about. You know the principles of principles of Yama Niyama, about how to live in the world, and and so I'm just curious you had such a profound experience. Did you ever feel like you wanted to remove yourself from the world so that you could just sort of sit and meditate all day.
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:29.585 Maetreyii Ma: A little here and there. But
00:36:31.950 --> 00:36:34.020 Maetreyii Ma: I wasn't guided in that way.
00:36:34.110 --> 00:36:40.060 Maetreyii Ma: What happened is, I went to India, and I became very ill at some point, and I had this
00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:45.700 Maetreyii Ma: amazing inner guidance and much of what I've learned I've learned from my
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.130 Maetreyii Ma: inner guide.
00:36:47.640 --> 00:36:55.710 Maetreyii Ma: I have. I read it later in books, you know, and but I learned from my own experience and from my inner guide.
00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:19.840 Maetreyii Ma: But I became very ill when I was in India, which isn't hard to do or wasn't back then India has changed a great deal. But but back then, what did they say? That a a Westerner, who stayed more than 6 months, like, you know, had most people had problems of one kind or another, and so I got really sick with dysentery kind of stuff.
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:20.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the.
00:37:20.420 --> 00:37:22.670 Maetreyii Ma: Really sick, and
00:37:24.660 --> 00:37:28.000 Maetreyii Ma: and I ended up in the hospital, and I thought it was dying.
00:37:28.210 --> 00:37:31.570 Maetreyii Ma: and and I reached out to my divine
00:37:31.810 --> 00:37:32.790 Maetreyii Ma: guide.
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:35.570 Maetreyii Ma: and it wasn't there. He just wouldn't.
00:37:35.750 --> 00:37:43.269 Maetreyii Ma: Wasn't. The Presence wasn't there? And the message was really clear to me that I had become. I was meditating 10 HA day, and you know.
00:37:43.565 --> 00:37:43.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A.
00:37:45.030 --> 00:37:46.760 Maetreyii Ma: Really absorbed, and
00:37:49.352 --> 00:37:51.400 Maetreyii Ma: the pursuit of consciousness!
00:37:52.200 --> 00:37:52.620 Maetreyii Ma: And
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.430 Maetreyii Ma: the message was really clear that if I if I
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.090 Maetreyii Ma: killed this body
00:38:01.150 --> 00:38:05.840 Maetreyii Ma: in my passion and my love and my love for the divine.
00:38:06.240 --> 00:38:08.749 Maetreyii Ma: that that just wasn't okay.
00:38:09.190 --> 00:38:16.140 Maetreyii Ma: And and then then, when my guide came to me again, when Bobby came to me again, he said, Hmm!
00:38:16.750 --> 00:38:19.030 Maetreyii Ma: This is not the way.
00:38:19.030 --> 00:38:19.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, yeah.
00:38:19.810 --> 00:38:21.279 Maetreyii Ma: You need to learn to.
00:38:21.850 --> 00:38:25.680 Maetreyii Ma: You need to learn to be in the world and transform the world.
00:38:25.850 --> 00:38:27.050 Maetreyii Ma: And so
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:36.209 Maetreyii Ma: I learned, I came back to America, and I formed attachments and I had kids. I got married. I had kids and family and
00:38:36.711 --> 00:38:48.939 Maetreyii Ma: you know, did the whole went back to school, got my Phd. In psychology. I did all of that after, and continue to meditate continuing to have deep experiences.
00:38:50.210 --> 00:38:57.190 Maetreyii Ma: but learning to be in the world, and for me the real spiritual lesson was not how to
00:38:57.470 --> 00:38:59.560 Maetreyii Ma: remove myself from the world.
00:38:59.830 --> 00:39:02.960 Maetreyii Ma: but how to follow the path. My path is Tantra.
00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:06.180 Maetreyii Ma: classical North Indian Tantra and Astrona Yoga.
00:39:06.270 --> 00:39:09.120 Maetreyii Ma: and and really tentresses.
00:39:10.950 --> 00:39:15.400 Maetreyii Ma: you can be a yogi and a bogey. You can enjoy life.
00:39:15.420 --> 00:39:19.049 Maetreyii Ma: and you can really see the unitary wholeness and all that is
00:39:19.340 --> 00:39:20.100 Maetreyii Ma: end.
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:26.150 Maetreyii Ma: That was the challenge for me is to not walk away from life.
00:39:26.210 --> 00:39:37.049 Maetreyii Ma: but to realize that that divinity is in every particle, every molecule, every atom of existence, every living being, that is.
00:39:37.350 --> 00:39:38.160 Maetreyii Ma: and that
00:39:38.650 --> 00:39:42.019 Maetreyii Ma: being in the world is not being separate
00:39:42.150 --> 00:39:44.460 Maetreyii Ma: from the divine. The problem with
00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:49.939 Maetreyii Ma: removing yourself from the world is, you know, you come back and you're hit with.
00:39:50.010 --> 00:39:52.450 Maetreyii Ma: you know, being in the middle of New York City.
00:39:52.450 --> 00:39:53.075 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:39:53.700 --> 00:39:59.700 Maetreyii Ma: And and all of a sudden you're can't handle it right, because
00:40:00.040 --> 00:40:00.700 Maetreyii Ma: hmm!
00:40:01.600 --> 00:40:07.080 Maetreyii Ma: The the need to realize that there is, you know, nothing outside of
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:09.910 Maetreyii Ma: the Infinite. Would.
00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:14.929 Maetreyii Ma: Everything is part of that
00:40:15.350 --> 00:40:16.719 Maetreyii Ma: whole of being.
00:40:17.870 --> 00:40:19.679 Maetreyii Ma: And so
00:40:20.870 --> 00:40:24.639 Maetreyii Ma: when we stay in the world, it may be harder at times.
00:40:25.300 --> 00:40:26.240 Maetreyii Ma: but
00:40:27.140 --> 00:40:37.929 Maetreyii Ma: recognizing, coming to the deeper place where not only do we go off in meditation, but we come to recognize that nothing is outside of that
00:40:38.070 --> 00:40:43.949 Maetreyii Ma: wholeness of being that all of manifestation, all life.
00:40:44.310 --> 00:40:51.790 Maetreyii Ma: all existence, every blade of grass, every rock, every piece of furniture, everything is
00:40:52.090 --> 00:40:54.970 Maetreyii Ma: inside, is is within the
00:40:55.720 --> 00:41:00.170 Maetreyii Ma: the mind of the cosmos was is in the, in the cosmic
00:41:01.326 --> 00:41:08.840 Maetreyii Ma: preview. It's all made of the same substance. It's all made of infinite beingness
00:41:09.020 --> 00:41:10.510 Maetreyii Ma: and the inherent
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.400 Maetreyii Ma: love that we feel, that draws us to other people.
00:41:15.500 --> 00:41:18.810 Maetreyii Ma: to nature, to
00:41:18.850 --> 00:41:20.290 Maetreyii Ma: connectedness.
00:41:21.020 --> 00:41:35.009 Maetreyii Ma: which I think you're referring to that inherent love that draws us to connectedness is that love which is always drawing us to the unitary whole which is our own essential nature, the nature of all that is.
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.429 Maetreyii Ma: we can find it
00:41:37.520 --> 00:41:42.370 Maetreyii Ma: in deep meditation, but we can also find it in every moment of
00:41:42.450 --> 00:41:43.910 Maetreyii Ma: this life.
00:41:44.740 --> 00:41:47.800 Maetreyii Ma: Once we open our hearts and minds to it.
00:41:48.210 --> 00:41:49.370 Maetreyii Ma: and so
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:57.679 Maetreyii Ma: I guess. For me the lesson of my spiritual journey has been much more about learning to be in the world than to away from it.
00:41:57.680 --> 00:41:59.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Escape it. Yeah, yeah.
00:42:00.890 --> 00:42:06.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious. You've written so many books. How many books have you written altogether?
00:42:06.450 --> 00:42:07.060 Maetreyii Ma: No
00:42:07.380 --> 00:42:15.849 Maetreyii Ma: more. Recently I have some older ones, but I think need serious editing. But more recently, I've 3 living love
00:42:16.475 --> 00:42:16.840 Maetreyii Ma: there
00:42:17.040 --> 00:42:20.570 Maetreyii Ma: and Dharma, and into the heart of the infinite.
00:42:20.870 --> 00:42:21.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There!
00:42:22.608 --> 00:42:24.400 Maetreyii Ma: Which goes into my journey.
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.249 Maetreyii Ma: I have other books, but I
00:42:29.350 --> 00:42:32.783 Maetreyii Ma: I'd like them to have more editing when I get the time.
00:42:33.070 --> 00:42:37.098 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Of course, of course. What
00:42:38.190 --> 00:42:43.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What sort of was the motivation to to write into the heart of the infinite like? What
00:42:43.530 --> 00:42:48.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: was it about your own story, and about this mystical journey that you felt
00:42:48.870 --> 00:42:51.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you wanted to share with the world.
00:42:52.230 --> 00:42:55.839 Maetreyii Ma: Thank you for asking that. That's it's that's an important question to me.
00:42:57.720 --> 00:42:58.970 Maetreyii Ma: my
00:42:58.990 --> 00:43:07.209 Maetreyii Ma: inner. I got guidance inner guidance from my inner guide Baba to write this book in the nineties, and I I never.
00:43:07.210 --> 00:43:08.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh!
00:43:08.230 --> 00:43:13.313 Maetreyii Ma: I never. I wrote part of it, fortunately, so I could remember things
00:43:15.870 --> 00:43:17.439 Maetreyii Ma: but I never wrote it.
00:43:17.500 --> 00:43:21.769 Maetreyii Ma: although I wanted to, and I felt like it was a commitment I had to
00:43:23.250 --> 00:43:28.720 Maetreyii Ma: to my to Divine being to write this book, and the reason
00:43:28.900 --> 00:43:30.879 Maetreyii Ma: that I felt for this book
00:43:30.950 --> 00:43:33.369 Maetreyii Ma: is that the book is really
00:43:33.790 --> 00:43:35.880 Maetreyii Ma: my relationship.
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:41.299 Maetreyii Ma: both in the cosmic sense and in the personal sense.
00:43:41.650 --> 00:43:44.750 Maetreyii Ma: to God, presence to
00:43:44.900 --> 00:43:48.720 Maetreyii Ma: to a holy and divine presence
00:43:50.246 --> 00:43:55.610 Maetreyii Ma: which is so subtle and so infinite and so
00:43:55.970 --> 00:43:57.220 Maetreyii Ma: profound.
00:43:57.820 --> 00:43:58.940 Maetreyii Ma: and to
00:43:59.860 --> 00:44:02.330 Maetreyii Ma: bring that experience.
00:44:02.610 --> 00:44:07.419 Maetreyii Ma: And I really haven't gone into the mysticism of it. But there's deep
00:44:07.520 --> 00:44:09.419 Maetreyii Ma: communion with that
00:44:09.770 --> 00:44:12.429 Maetreyii Ma: which is, and to bring the
00:44:13.090 --> 00:44:14.390 Maetreyii Ma: to
00:44:15.200 --> 00:44:20.379 Maetreyii Ma: other people in in in story form. It's my story, but it's a story
00:44:20.600 --> 00:44:21.400 Maetreyii Ma: of
00:44:22.350 --> 00:44:24.070 Maetreyii Ma: of how that plays out.
00:44:24.390 --> 00:44:28.120 Maetreyii Ma: and the relationship that we can have with the Infinite.
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:29.420 Maetreyii Ma: So that
00:44:30.272 --> 00:44:46.687 Maetreyii Ma: that story is there, I'm a Western woman. I'm not. I'm not an Eastern Yogi or somebody, you know I'm an ordinary person, and how? How that can play out in in our lives as Westerners, and
00:44:47.300 --> 00:44:50.109 Maetreyii Ma: how mysticism isn't something, for
00:44:50.870 --> 00:44:53.460 Maetreyii Ma: you know Catholic saints, and
00:44:53.580 --> 00:44:59.350 Maetreyii Ma: and of old and Eastern Yogis, it's it's here for all of us.
00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:04.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was there any part of the book that was difficult for you to write.
00:45:06.357 --> 00:45:08.389 Maetreyii Ma: Yeah, yeah, it was.
00:45:08.975 --> 00:45:10.160 Maetreyii Ma: I think that
00:45:11.210 --> 00:45:16.989 Maetreyii Ma: if you read my book, people who read my book comment that it's there's a
00:45:17.460 --> 00:45:21.860 Maetreyii Ma: it's very authentic, and I do go into my struggles and
00:45:22.160 --> 00:45:24.580 Maetreyii Ma: fears and conflicts and
00:45:24.810 --> 00:45:30.870 Maetreyii Ma: things that went up, particularly around the guidance I received to begin allowing the
00:45:31.190 --> 00:45:32.300 Maetreyii Ma: flow of
00:45:32.580 --> 00:45:34.690 Maetreyii Ma: teaching that I was receiving
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:35.820 Maetreyii Ma: to
00:45:35.910 --> 00:45:39.880 Maetreyii Ma: come through me out into the world. And
00:45:40.100 --> 00:45:41.750 Maetreyii Ma: I really
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.539 Maetreyii Ma: I went through a lot of my own struggle with
00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:49.550 Maetreyii Ma: my process, and with
00:45:49.570 --> 00:45:52.410 Maetreyii Ma: doubt and fear and
00:45:52.780 --> 00:46:05.080 Maetreyii Ma: fears of oh, I'm crazy having these experiences, and you know all of the things that people go through, and especially about opening up, because I had been very
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:11.630 Maetreyii Ma: hmm circumspect about sharing my spiritual experiences with other people.
00:46:12.160 --> 00:46:13.370 Maetreyii Ma: And
00:46:13.770 --> 00:46:16.625 Maetreyii Ma: to bring that out into the open was,
00:46:17.390 --> 00:46:19.039 Maetreyii Ma: very difficult at first.
00:46:19.040 --> 00:46:19.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:46:19.740 --> 00:46:21.120 Maetreyii Ma: And and
00:46:21.590 --> 00:46:23.430 Maetreyii Ma: difficult to
00:46:23.550 --> 00:46:29.969 Maetreyii Ma: right my whole journey, I think, in in yet very healing in a way
00:46:30.050 --> 00:46:32.800 Maetreyii Ma: to share my journey with people.
00:46:33.030 --> 00:46:33.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Man.
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, some sometimes just expressing
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:38.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: those difficult parts
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.097 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is cathartic in its own right, and.
00:46:42.750 --> 00:46:48.519 Maetreyii Ma: And they are there. That was my way of having those difficulties, but I think they're difficulties that
00:46:49.080 --> 00:46:50.200 Maetreyii Ma: are shared.
00:46:50.200 --> 00:46:51.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, and.
00:46:51.560 --> 00:47:01.279 Maetreyii Ma: Each in our own way we struggle the the spiritual path, the the journey towards wholeness is not always easy.
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:01.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:47:02.100 --> 00:47:02.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah.
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:13.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we need to take our last break of the show. I could talk with you for hours. I wish I had more time. When we come back. I want to ask you about
00:47:14.600 --> 00:47:16.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like today
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:18.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: now.
00:47:18.270 --> 00:47:25.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and your relationship to the Infinite now, and how it might be different from the way it was in the past.
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:27.825 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay,
00:47:28.870 --> 00:47:30.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because I feel
00:47:30.630 --> 00:47:58.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know things evolve and change. So I would love to touch upon that. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consult now, or awakening humanity. Don't forget if you wanna ask any questions of my trey or myself around this topic of of the divine and the Infinite. Please post your questions into the live streams. And and we'll get to them before the end of the show. You're listening to the conscious, consulting humanity, and we'll be right back.
00:50:06.740 --> 00:50:08.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back
00:50:08.740 --> 00:50:10.566 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so, madre
00:50:14.870 --> 00:50:19.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, you know you and I have both been on this kind of path of of
00:50:19.370 --> 00:50:26.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: journeying to learn about the truth, to to connect and to have that experience of wholeness and oneness.
00:50:28.010 --> 00:50:35.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But I kind of feel, and you know you have a few years on me, but as I'm as I'm older, I
00:50:35.990 --> 00:50:37.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I see things differently.
00:50:38.070 --> 00:50:43.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: My relationship to spirit is different than it was when I was in my 20 s. Or 30 s.
00:50:44.170 --> 00:50:45.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I'm just curious
00:50:45.930 --> 00:50:47.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: today.
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:48.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: did it.
00:50:48.860 --> 00:50:55.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How are things different for you? How how do you feel? Your relationship to spirit?
00:50:55.520 --> 00:50:58.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is, is different than it was when you were younger.
00:51:03.370 --> 00:51:05.189 Maetreyii Ma: I think when I was younger
00:51:06.750 --> 00:51:11.479 Maetreyii Ma: they were through Lsd. Or through then through meditation.
00:51:11.790 --> 00:51:16.560 Maetreyii Ma: These deeply profound out of body kind of experiences
00:51:18.640 --> 00:51:20.160 Maetreyii Ma: Connecting to this
00:51:22.350 --> 00:51:23.930 Maetreyii Ma: the mystical hole.
00:51:25.245 --> 00:51:27.659 Maetreyii Ma: Were very profound.
00:51:28.030 --> 00:51:28.950 Maetreyii Ma: But
00:51:32.210 --> 00:51:35.259 Maetreyii Ma: I think what's happened is more
00:51:36.441 --> 00:51:39.880 Maetreyii Ma: over. The years is more of the
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.860 Maetreyii Ma: the connection is more natural, it's more smooth, and it's more.
00:51:46.990 --> 00:51:48.236 Maetreyii Ma: it's more
00:51:49.690 --> 00:51:53.230 Maetreyii Ma: it's changed over the years, in that. It's more
00:51:54.190 --> 00:51:55.890 Maetreyii Ma: present in everything.
00:51:56.210 --> 00:51:57.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:51:57.030 --> 00:51:57.800 Maetreyii Ma: See.
00:51:59.640 --> 00:52:03.760 Maetreyii Ma: There's more of the feeling of that being always there.
00:52:04.740 --> 00:52:05.950 Maetreyii Ma: and being
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:12.600 Maetreyii Ma: in this world as well as
00:52:13.240 --> 00:52:15.510 Maetreyii Ma: in the pure essence of being.
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:24.680 Maetreyii Ma: The the essence of being is in everything. That is, the the transparency of that
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.599 Maetreyii Ma: has has become more so. I think that's
00:52:29.520 --> 00:52:34.519 Maetreyii Ma: that's the change. It is a change from, and it has to do with.
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:41.569 Maetreyii Ma: Re, resolving my relationship to this physical plane.
00:52:41.570 --> 00:52:42.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I said.
00:52:43.790 --> 00:52:44.640 Maetreyii Ma: Yeah.
00:52:44.640 --> 00:52:46.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you fear death.
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:55.500 Maetreyii Ma: On one level. Yes, on another level, though. I think in deep states of consciousness.
00:52:55.790 --> 00:52:57.870 Maetreyii Ma: when you really go deep it
00:52:58.180 --> 00:52:59.420 Maetreyii Ma: there is no.
00:52:59.770 --> 00:53:01.040 Maetreyii Ma: there is no death.
00:53:01.950 --> 00:53:03.969 Maetreyii Ma: There it is.
00:53:04.120 --> 00:53:05.859 Maetreyii Ma: It wouldn't matter.
00:53:06.930 --> 00:53:07.530 Maetreyii Ma: is it?
00:53:08.370 --> 00:53:15.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And as a psychologist, you you've worked with people over the years. I don't know if you're still in private practice. But I was curious
00:53:17.540 --> 00:53:18.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: are the
00:53:19.370 --> 00:53:25.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: challenges people are showing up with and seeking your counseling over. Has that shifted and changed over the years.
00:53:28.460 --> 00:53:33.000 Maetreyii Ma: My practice has shifted because I was working a lot with the developmentally disabled
00:53:33.230 --> 00:53:41.190 Maetreyii Ma: as a consultant for many, many years, and so I went into private practice, maybe 6 or 7 years ago.
00:53:41.200 --> 00:53:43.982 Maetreyii Ma: as more of my full time work and
00:53:47.970 --> 00:53:50.449 Maetreyii Ma: people come to me a lot with spiritual
00:53:51.750 --> 00:53:53.540 Maetreyii Ma: needs and issues.
00:53:55.220 --> 00:53:57.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm I'm curious.
00:53:57.980 --> 00:54:00.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know. A lot of people feel.
00:54:00.710 --> 00:54:04.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: myself included, that today the world is so divided
00:54:05.200 --> 00:54:09.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it can feel like things are getting worse, not better.
00:54:10.080 --> 00:54:13.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know. There are more challenges to deal with.
00:54:14.150 --> 00:54:15.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I'm just wondering on a
00:54:16.070 --> 00:54:18.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on a spiritual level.
00:54:19.020 --> 00:54:23.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What? What have your guides. What has spirits sort of
00:54:23.830 --> 00:54:29.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: imparted to you about where we are going, where the world is going.
00:54:29.310 --> 00:54:30.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what kind of solace can we find in the midst of all this chaos.
00:54:36.870 --> 00:54:38.710 Maetreyii Ma: The guidance I get is that
00:54:38.860 --> 00:54:40.749 Maetreyii Ma: and I've gotten since
00:54:41.250 --> 00:54:43.190 Maetreyii Ma: since my early twenties
00:54:43.200 --> 00:54:48.290 Maetreyii Ma: is that we're in a part we're in the process of an evolutionary shift
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:49.849 Maetreyii Ma: and did.
00:54:51.430 --> 00:54:53.149 Maetreyii Ma: It's a transition
00:54:53.300 --> 00:54:57.159 Maetreyii Ma: from one state of consciousness to another
00:54:59.420 --> 00:55:02.530 Maetreyii Ma: like our personal journeys of transformation.
00:55:02.550 --> 00:55:08.599 Maetreyii Ma: transformation, the process of transformation requires a deconstruction
00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:21.740 Maetreyii Ma: of what has been in order to reconstruct at a higher level whether it's personal transformation or collective transformation. And we are definitely in a process of collective transformation.
00:55:22.460 --> 00:55:29.460 Maetreyii Ma: And in that process we're moving out of in my book. And Dharma, I go into the
00:55:29.600 --> 00:55:32.899 Maetreyii Ma: into the Yogic social cycles
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:44.189 Maetreyii Ma: that are a part of ancient Yogic philosophy. But we're moving from one social cycle to another for moving from the violation arrow which is manifest in capitalism.
00:55:46.010 --> 00:55:51.649 Maetreyii Ma: Through an era called a Shootra revolution, which is a revolution of
00:55:51.660 --> 00:55:53.050 Maetreyii Ma: thinking of the
00:55:53.300 --> 00:55:56.869 Maetreyii Ma: people. It's not a revolution of
00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.000 Maetreyii Ma: of leadership.
00:55:59.250 --> 00:56:02.069 Maetreyii Ma: and into a into a
00:56:02.470 --> 00:56:10.340 Maetreyii Ma: chat, Katrina era which doesn't necessarily mean warriors, but it it means kind of like Star Trek. It's orderly.
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:18.499 Maetreyii Ma: collective good. The value is the collective good. And so in the Yogi terms. We're moving in that. But the guidance I get
00:56:18.600 --> 00:56:20.320 Maetreyii Ma: is that we're moving.
00:56:20.590 --> 00:56:24.570 Maetreyii Ma: We're we're moving into an arrow where the light
00:56:24.950 --> 00:56:26.210 Maetreyii Ma: and divine
00:56:26.430 --> 00:56:28.979 Maetreyii Ma: consciousness is much.
00:56:29.220 --> 00:56:30.160 Maetreyii Ma: Moore.
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.199 Maetreyii Ma: the awareness is much more.
00:56:32.260 --> 00:56:38.820 Maetreyii Ma: but in that process of movement is a deconstruction. Process is is is.
00:56:39.790 --> 00:56:42.260 Maetreyii Ma: and, as you said earlier, it
00:56:42.460 --> 00:56:44.087 Maetreyii Ma: may get worse.
00:56:44.630 --> 00:56:45.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:56:45.743 --> 00:56:49.770 Maetreyii Ma: You know, before it gets better. But
00:56:50.030 --> 00:56:53.079 Maetreyii Ma: I know a lot of people who think we're not gonna make it.
00:56:53.340 --> 00:57:02.824 Maetreyii Ma: and that's not guidance I get the guidance I get is that we are definitely gonna make it through this transitionary period, but that we will bring it to the edge
00:57:03.560 --> 00:57:06.890 Maetreyii Ma: before we make that change.
00:57:09.120 --> 00:57:10.260 Maetreyii Ma: You know, and.
00:57:10.260 --> 00:57:12.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Get scarier before it gets better.
00:57:13.620 --> 00:57:14.430 Maetreyii Ma: Soon.
00:57:14.660 --> 00:57:15.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. The.
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:16.560 Maetreyii Ma: But I do think that
00:57:16.580 --> 00:57:20.269 Maetreyii Ma: it is a very bright change, a very bright
00:57:21.098 --> 00:57:28.100 Maetreyii Ma: transformation of consciousness that's going on into some people call it the aquarian age, or whatever that is
00:57:28.270 --> 00:57:31.799 Maetreyii Ma: not the terms that the guidance I receive is in, but.
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:32.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mean that.
00:57:32.680 --> 00:57:37.089 Maetreyii Ma: That we are transiting to a new level of of development.
00:57:37.090 --> 00:57:37.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Please.
00:57:38.150 --> 00:57:40.459 Maetreyii Ma: And beingness and connectedness.
00:57:40.860 --> 00:57:42.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and so what
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:47.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: guidance, or what advice would you give to people today
00:57:48.190 --> 00:57:52.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who are sort of on this path, but might be struggling a bit.
00:57:56.290 --> 00:57:57.980 Maetreyii Ma: To trust the Divine
00:57:58.300 --> 00:57:59.870 Maetreyii Ma: trust, the
00:58:00.270 --> 00:58:03.680 Maetreyii Ma: cosmic cold trust that you're always safe in that.
00:58:04.150 --> 00:58:07.089 Maetreyii Ma: no matter what the outer circumstances.
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:09.390 Maetreyii Ma: and and to trust
00:58:09.820 --> 00:58:10.610 Maetreyii Ma: that
00:58:11.030 --> 00:58:13.060 Maetreyii Ma: the light is getting brighter.
00:58:13.410 --> 00:58:14.639 Maetreyii Ma: not dimer.
00:58:15.490 --> 00:58:20.699 Maetreyii Ma: and it's the brightness of that light which is causing the shadows to be visible.
00:58:22.130 --> 00:58:23.070 Maetreyii Ma: and
00:58:23.610 --> 00:58:25.290 Maetreyii Ma: to find
00:58:25.350 --> 00:58:27.890 Maetreyii Ma: to keep your heart open, and love.
00:58:27.890 --> 00:58:28.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:58:30.210 --> 00:58:30.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah.
00:58:31.200 --> 00:58:33.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the brighter the light, the darker the shadow, I guess.
00:58:34.780 --> 00:58:37.524 Maetreyii Ma: Yeah, we believe that's the motto of our time.
00:58:37.830 --> 00:58:38.625 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:58:39.850 --> 00:58:40.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because it's.
00:58:40.570 --> 00:58:47.609 Maetreyii Ma: Time that many difficult things are happening. So are many things like your show, many things that are bringing light into the world.
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:53.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, absolutely there. There's definitely a flowering of consciousness around the planet.
00:58:53.430 --> 00:58:55.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: At the same time. There's all this
00:58:55.710 --> 00:58:58.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: chaos and and polarization.
00:58:58.860 --> 00:58:59.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well.
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:07.234 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: my tremor. It's been a pleasure to have you on the show. Welcome for you to come back in the future.
00:59:08.324 --> 00:59:14.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If people want to learn more about your work and and find out more about you. Where can they find you online.
00:59:14.930 --> 00:59:28.605 Maetreyii Ma: I'm@yogama.org YOGA. ma.org. Yoga, ma.org is my website. My books are available on Amazon. They're available at bookstores. They're available.
00:59:29.170 --> 00:59:35.570 Maetreyii Ma: You may need to order them if they don't have them on the shelf, but they're available through my website. And
00:59:35.830 --> 00:59:39.999 Maetreyii Ma: so is my other work available through my website, Yoga Mode.
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful. Make sure to put that in the show notes.
00:59:43.770 --> 00:59:55.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Metrey. Ma, thank you so much for taking the time and come on my show today. It's been truly an honor and a pleasure, and I I hope one day we get to meet in person. It would be wonderful to to meet you in person.
00:59:56.340 --> 00:59:57.580 Maetreyii Ma: I would love that.
00:59:57.580 --> 00:59:58.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, me, too.
00:59:59.670 --> 01:00:15.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright. Thank you so much. And thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in today. Without you there is no show, and don't forget. If you missed any part of today's show can always catch the replay on talk, radio, Nyc and all across social media and all the podcasting platforms.
01:00:16.060 --> 01:00:21.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you all for tuning in. Take care we will talk to you all next week.
01:00:21.870 --> 01:00:22.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: bye, bye.
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