EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is pleased to welcome Psychedelic Guide and Integration Coach, Dr. Tom Garcia.
Dr. Tom Garcia is a psychedelic guide and integration coach who has been in the field of health and spiritual well-being for over 30 years. His work with plant medicine helps people resolve internal conflict and overcome obstacles to create a breakthrough in self-awareness and self-expression.
Tom’s clients come from all over the world, seeking him out for the powerful experience of personal revelation and deep healing. Those who long for a more meaningful understanding of their life purpose, a clear sense of inner guidance, and a deep connection to the Divine, find their way to his inner circle.
Through the ceremonial, sacred use of plant medicine, and Tom’s unique style of coaching, he guides his clients to greater peace, well-being, and happiness.
He shares powerful tools that help them extend the transformation they have experienced into all areas of their life and relationships.
Tune in and share your questions and comments about how to live a more successful life on our YouTube livestream or on our Facebook page.
On this episode of The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is joined by psychedelic guide and integration coach, Dr. Tom Garcia, as they discuss Dr. Garcia’s background and more about his career. To start the episode, Sam reads one of his blog posts entitled, “Safety Resides Not In The Mind But In The Body.” As always, to read this post and more content from Sam and other writers, please visit www.talkradio.nyc/blogs or www.theconsciousconsultant.com for more information. Afterward, we are given a formal introduction to Dr. Tom Garcia and discuss how he got on the path of becoming a healer.
After the first break, we return to Sam and Dr. Garcia talking about when Dr. Garcia started to use his medical practices for others. They also talk about different methods and ceremonies he does for different clients. Dr. Garcia brings up his heritage, the connection between him and his spirits, along with the importance of connection, awareness, and the sacredness to the Earth and the environment he is in when conducting one of the fire ceremonies.
Moving forward in the discussion, Sam asks Dr. Garcia about how he can get his clients to a deeper level through fire ceremonies, along with some of the resistance that can get in the way of receiving the full experience by getting to the deeper level. Dr. Garcia then goes on to share some of the reactions he has witnessed from his clients when they do get to the deeper level of the ceremony. This can include positive, difficult, and intense reactions, it depends on what the person is looking to get from the session.
As the episode comes to a close, Sam asks Dr. Garcia how he is working with clients now than how he first started. Dr. Garcia mentions that it started by word of mouth, and then he started going on different podcasts and started to gain more traction in his work through those. He also mentions that since the state of Colorado has made law changes, he has become busier than ever with new clients from all walks of life, starting men’s circles, and other projects. To learn more about Dr. Garcia and his work please visit http://www.drtomgarcia.com/ for more information.
00:00:43.510 --> 00:00:49.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Good. Good afternoon, my conscious Co. Creators. Welcome to another edition of
00:00:50.090 --> 00:01:04.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: the conscious Consult hour awakening humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got a wonderful show in store for you, as we always do. But first, of course.
00:01:04.260 --> 00:01:08.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: we have a little blog post from a couple of years ago.
00:01:09.410 --> 00:01:10.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Just kind of
00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:12.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: going in order.
00:01:12.660 --> 00:01:28.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: you know, started reading my blog post after I finished reading all the little sections from my book every day awakening. And so people like that. So I thought I'd continue by by continuing with my blog, and today's blog post is entitled.
00:01:28.160 --> 00:01:32.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Safety resides not in the mind, but in the body.
00:01:34.770 --> 00:01:39.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: When we decide to do our deep inner work, feeling safe is essential.
00:01:40.060 --> 00:01:44.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yet often we do not know what it takes to feel safe.
00:01:45.060 --> 00:01:47.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: we think we should feel safe with someone.
00:01:47.740 --> 00:01:50.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yet safety is not something in the mind.
00:01:51.130 --> 00:01:55.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: It may seem that we have no reason not to feel safe with someone.
00:01:56.530 --> 00:01:59.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Everyone tells us what a great person they are.
00:01:59.810 --> 00:02:03.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: or what an amazing healer or facilitator they are
00:02:03.470 --> 00:02:07.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: so, perhaps we discount our own feelings about the person.
00:02:07.950 --> 00:02:09.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: We doubt ourselves.
00:02:09.970 --> 00:02:13.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: We do not understand why we feel differently.
00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:20.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: so we come up with excuses for the other person, and do not honor our own intuition.
00:02:20.660 --> 00:02:25.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Eventually, as long as we keep doing our work.
00:02:25.770 --> 00:02:29.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: we learn to trust ourselves more than others.
00:02:29.660 --> 00:02:31.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: we start to tune in
00:02:32.180 --> 00:02:38.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: to our own feelings and begin to see that feeling safe is not something in our minds
00:02:39.610 --> 00:02:46.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: that all the reasons in the world will not make us feel safe. If our body doesn't feel it.
00:02:46.760 --> 00:02:49.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: things start to become clear.
00:02:49.300 --> 00:02:54.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Our resistance to working with the person starts to make sense to us.
00:02:54.620 --> 00:02:59.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Perhaps we even hear stories of other people who have the same feeling.
00:03:01.370 --> 00:03:07.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: and as the self doubt turns into validation, we can begin to honor, how we truly feel.
00:03:08.530 --> 00:03:12.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: not how we should feel, or how others tell us we should feel.
00:03:13.050 --> 00:03:16.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: we honor, how we actually feel.
00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:19.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: and we find what we actually need to feel safe.
00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:27.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Once we feel safe to work with someone, then we dive in and truly do the deep work.
00:03:28.580 --> 00:03:33.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: This does not mean that the person we didn't feel safe with is bad or wrong.
00:03:34.070 --> 00:03:39.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: They were. They were just not the right person for us.
00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: regardless of what others may say
00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:49.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: so. In order to fully honor ourselves, we learn the most important lesson
00:03:50.260 --> 00:03:56.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: to pay attention to how our body and our nervous system feels.
00:03:56.950 --> 00:04:00.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: regardless of what the mind says.
00:04:00.990 --> 00:04:05.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: and that is how we tune into our innate intelligence.
00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:12.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So is there someone in your life whom you don't feel safe with, even though you think you should.
00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:18.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: how can you honor yourself and find what you need to actually feel safe?
00:04:19.670 --> 00:04:30.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So this is sort of the continuation of a series of blog posts I wrote when a couple of years ago, I switched mentors
00:04:31.350 --> 00:04:33.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: and I found
00:04:33.694 --> 00:04:39.475 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: when I moved to from my old mentor to my new mentor that
00:04:40.730 --> 00:04:43.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: I was actually able to.
00:04:44.100 --> 00:04:48.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: I I actually didn't realize until the first time I started to work with my new mentor.
00:04:49.220 --> 00:04:54.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Then what came up for me was the fact that I didn't feel safe with my old mentor.
00:04:55.100 --> 00:04:58.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: and and it's such an interesting dynamic because
00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: he was always chasing after me to do deep work.
00:05:02.460 --> 00:05:08.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: I was showing up as best as I could, but not really showing up the way he wanted me to.
00:05:09.710 --> 00:05:15.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: and it didn't make sense like, why wouldn't I? You know this is, I want to work. I want to learn this stuff
00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:18.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: until
00:05:18.130 --> 00:05:24.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: I I had this experience, and I realized I really didn't feel safe with this guy
00:05:24.860 --> 00:05:29.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: now, the fact that I didn't feel safe with him. It's really, actually not about him. It's about me.
00:05:30.730 --> 00:05:35.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: But it wasn't until I started to work with someone else that I realized. Oh.
00:05:36.290 --> 00:05:41.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: I couldn't really do my deep work with him because I didn't really feel safe to do it with him.
00:05:41.900 --> 00:05:52.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: But I never realized this, because other people training with him thought he was such a great guy, and other people worked with him as clients were like. Oh, my God! He's so wonderful! He saw this. He saw that. So
00:05:52.490 --> 00:05:58.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: there was like nothing in my conscious mind that said to me, This guy's not a safe person to be with.
00:05:59.930 --> 00:06:04.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yet many times he showed an aggressive side with me many times.
00:06:04.960 --> 00:06:14.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: He would not lose his temper, but raise his voice and say things, and treat me in a way that almost kind of felt like bullying in some way.
00:06:15.570 --> 00:06:18.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: so I just didn't feel safe.
00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:24.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: But again I was. I was thinking in my mind I should feel safe with them. What do you mean. I don't feel safe, of course I'm like.
00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:33.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: but the mind plays tricks with us all the time, but the body knows our nervous system knows what's right for us and what's not.
00:06:36.320 --> 00:06:39.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: And and this is important to keep in mind
00:06:39.950 --> 00:06:45.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: for any kind of relationship like not just mentee to mentor
00:06:45.330 --> 00:06:50.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: partnerships, intimate relationships, lovers, friends.
00:06:51.730 --> 00:06:58.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: you know, you may think like, oh, I should feel safe with this person. Why? Why am I not showing up differently?
00:07:01.180 --> 00:07:08.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: But just because the mind says, and external things say no, didn't. You should be good with this person
00:07:09.620 --> 00:07:11.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: does not mean
00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:17.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: feels good, or it feels right for your nervous system for your body.
00:07:17.250 --> 00:07:20.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: for you, the deep essence within you.
00:07:22.420 --> 00:07:26.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Now that's that's rich territory to do our work, because
00:07:26.960 --> 00:07:42.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: when we do realize like, I just don't feel safe for them. It's like, Okay, well, what do I need to do to cultivate safety cause safety is something that we cultivate within us, not really about the other person, though there really are some unsafe people who in this world
00:07:43.440 --> 00:07:48.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: But if we learn to honor ourselves, if we learn to really cultivate
00:07:48.330 --> 00:07:50.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: safety. Then
00:07:51.590 --> 00:07:57.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: we can really do some deep work, and we can unwind these things that that
00:07:58.160 --> 00:07:59.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: affect us.
00:08:00.910 --> 00:08:01.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So.
00:08:02.880 --> 00:08:17.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: that's my blog post. It's called safety resides not in the mind, but in the body, and you can always find my blog@talkradio.nyc slash blog, and of course, on my personal website, the conscious consultant Com.
00:08:19.290 --> 00:08:21.194 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So I hope that
00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.394 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: that was a good message for some of you out there. I know,
00:08:27.112 --> 00:08:38.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: they tend to be very apropos for my guests, and today I am very pleased to welcome to the show Psychedelic Guide and Integration coach, Dr. Tom Garcia
00:08:38.934 --> 00:08:56.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: dr. Garcia is a psychedelic guide and integration coach who has been in the field of health and spiritual wellbeing for over 30 years. He's worked with plant medicine helps people resolve internal conflict and overcome obstacles to create a breakthrough and self awareness and self expression.
00:08:57.190 --> 00:09:05.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Tom's clients come from all over the world, seeking him out for powerful experience of personal revelation and deep healing.
00:09:05.420 --> 00:09:15.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Those who long for more meaningful understanding of their life purpose, a clear sense of inner guidance and a deep connection to the divine, find their way to his inner circle
00:09:15.110 --> 00:09:24.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: through the ceremonial sacred use of plant medicine, and Tom's unique style of coaching, he guides his clients to greater peace, wellbeing, and happiness.
00:09:24.250 --> 00:09:27.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Welcome to the conscious consultant Howard. Tom.
00:09:27.510 --> 00:09:30.390 Tom Garcia: Oh, thank you, Sam! What a pleasure to be here!
00:09:30.390 --> 00:09:37.112 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Oh, it's an honor! Ever since we we got connected a few months ago, I've been looking forward to having you come on the show
00:09:37.900 --> 00:09:52.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So we we. We have a few minutes before the first break, and I'm just curious what kind of got you on this path of being a healer. So be, you know, even before you got involved with with plant medicine work. You were a healer long before that, weren't you?
00:09:52.450 --> 00:09:55.204 Tom Garcia: Yeah, it's been a long time, I I think.
00:09:56.190 --> 00:10:02.879 Tom Garcia: for for so many of us in the healing profession we come from our own wound initially.
00:10:03.070 --> 00:10:06.740 Tom Garcia: Yeah, I didn't even know I was going to say that. But you know the wounded healer.
00:10:08.130 --> 00:10:10.080 Tom Garcia: And so
00:10:10.380 --> 00:10:15.810 Tom Garcia: it was really about self healing, you know, healing myself. I knew I wanted to help people, and I wanted to work with my hands.
00:10:15.900 --> 00:10:26.160 Tom Garcia: and Chiropractic spoke to me as a as a viable avenue as an expression of that in in the healing capacity. And
00:10:26.810 --> 00:10:28.620 Tom Garcia: it was so. It was a calling.
00:10:28.890 --> 00:10:30.999 Tom Garcia: but I also knew it was a stepping stone.
00:10:31.594 --> 00:10:40.925 Tom Garcia: and there was always a kind of an unease within me like there was something more, something else, and I didn't know what, and it was after one of my closest friends passed away
00:10:41.430 --> 00:10:46.220 Tom Garcia: over 16 years ago, that plant medicine came to the fore for me.
00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:53.699 Tom Garcia: And so it was the experimentation, that initial experimentation that something opened for me. It was like a door.
00:10:54.190 --> 00:10:55.329 Tom Garcia: did I?
00:10:55.350 --> 00:11:06.800 Tom Garcia: I just had to go through. And I did, and then it became a practice, you know. For the first 11 years of my my immersion in plant medicine I worked alone
00:11:06.990 --> 00:11:11.602 Tom Garcia: at the fire at night. Just be in the in the elements, you know.
00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:15.950 Tom Garcia: Deep snow, cold rain, summer nights.
00:11:16.050 --> 00:11:16.625 Tom Garcia: and
00:11:17.570 --> 00:11:28.630 Tom Garcia: developed a relationship with the medicine as an intelligence, and it opened doors, open windows. It gave me access to a deeper understanding of my own, my own self.
00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:37.320 Tom Garcia: but then, and to the voice that spoke to me through through the medicine, through the fire, because I was working with fire as an elemental.
00:11:37.530 --> 00:11:38.400 Tom Garcia: The.
00:11:38.570 --> 00:11:41.609 Tom Garcia: you know, guide if you will, and
00:11:42.180 --> 00:11:43.989 Tom Garcia: and it the message was.
00:11:44.050 --> 00:11:45.630 Tom Garcia: bring others to the fire
00:11:45.900 --> 00:11:48.580 Tom Garcia: and help help them find their way. So that was
00:11:49.060 --> 00:11:51.250 Tom Garcia: the directive. And
00:11:51.591 --> 00:11:55.380 Tom Garcia: furthermore, my guide said, we will send them to you one by one
00:11:55.830 --> 00:11:56.540 Tom Garcia: pit.
00:11:56.700 --> 00:12:05.109 Tom Garcia: you know, like that. And I at the time I really didn't know what that meant. Going back way to the beginning, you know, you know, in the early years, but as
00:12:05.310 --> 00:12:10.300 Tom Garcia: things have evolved, and is my concern about being able to provide for my family, and, you know, take care of.
00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:11.959 Tom Garcia: and all the things in life
00:12:12.070 --> 00:12:15.379 Tom Garcia: they would assure me again and again you will be well provided for.
00:12:15.400 --> 00:12:18.140 Tom Garcia: Just follow our guidance, follow our direction.
00:12:18.140 --> 00:12:18.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: You know.
00:12:18.920 --> 00:12:23.330 Tom Garcia: So that's been the test and the trust and the surrender. And
00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.029 Tom Garcia: I loved your piece about safety.
00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:37.069 Tom Garcia: Because that's the number one priority for me and my work with people is creating a safe, sacred container, inside of which they can do the deep work.
00:12:37.270 --> 00:12:39.660 Tom Garcia: as you said that they came to do.
00:12:39.940 --> 00:12:40.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Right.
00:12:40.490 --> 00:12:44.699 Tom Garcia: I know that when they can access their deepest work that I've done my job.
00:12:44.700 --> 00:12:45.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Right, right.
00:12:45.980 --> 00:12:46.500 Tom Garcia: And yet.
00:12:47.060 --> 00:12:47.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So.
00:12:48.300 --> 00:12:53.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So so you worked as a chiropractor for how many years before you got involved appointment somewhere.
00:12:54.620 --> 00:12:56.459 Tom Garcia: Well, I've been at it, for
00:12:56.770 --> 00:13:02.510 Tom Garcia: you know, roughly 15 years when plant medicine showed up on the scene, so I kept it on. The down low is off the radar.
00:13:02.510 --> 00:13:03.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Right? Right? Because.
00:13:03.920 --> 00:13:13.399 Tom Garcia: Wire. And then the year before last, when psychedelics were decriminalized in Colorado, it took me about 8 months before I could find. I finally was like.
00:13:14.050 --> 00:13:22.010 Tom Garcia: Okay, I'm coming out of the closet now. And once I did that, and I started to identify as a psychedelic guide and an integration coach.
00:13:22.901 --> 00:13:32.179 Tom Garcia: It's like folks are just finding me left and right, you know, would work, cause. Now I'm visible, and I'm saying I'm I'm being true to my
00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:35.039 Tom Garcia: my purpose and my activity here, and
00:13:35.460 --> 00:13:45.040 Tom Garcia: for as much of a you know, I was like, you know, like this about it. People like, oh, that's what you do. Okay, great, you know. I wanna talk to you, you know. So open the path for me.
00:13:45.040 --> 00:13:48.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So are you still doing chiropractic work, or did you stop that.
00:13:48.150 --> 00:13:51.150 Tom Garcia: I stopped about hmm, almost 6 years ago. Now.
00:13:51.150 --> 00:13:56.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: 6 years ago. So so you've been kind of full time doing this work for about 6 years.
00:13:56.160 --> 00:14:02.840 Tom Garcia: Yep and like, I said those early. Well, the first 5 or so years I was off the radar under the wire, and.
00:14:03.610 --> 00:14:05.734 Tom Garcia: Finding my way like, you know, I'm like.
00:14:06.970 --> 00:14:11.090 Tom Garcia: who who does this? You know this is hard. This is.
00:14:11.130 --> 00:14:13.049 Tom Garcia: you know, who chooses this path.
00:14:13.230 --> 00:14:17.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah, I like to think the path chooses you. You don't choose.
00:14:17.160 --> 00:14:20.279 Tom Garcia: Yeah, more like that. I'm like, I can refuse, can I?
00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:25.520 Tom Garcia: You know the internal? The internal voice was like you can, but you already said, Yes.
00:14:28.410 --> 00:14:28.940 Tom Garcia: I'm.
00:14:28.940 --> 00:14:39.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: I'm curious before we go to break. W. What? True you to work with fire as an element like like you, you you bit fire. The fire is a big part of what you do.
00:14:39.930 --> 00:14:41.824 Tom Garcia: Yeah, I I would say that.
00:14:42.800 --> 00:14:43.920 Tom Garcia: you know, I
00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:47.379 Tom Garcia: I went through a program with the mankind project.
00:14:47.380 --> 00:14:48.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Button.
00:14:48.050 --> 00:15:10.359 Tom Garcia: 20 plus years ago, and and that was my initiation, you know, into the sacred masculine, if you will, and it and there was fire was part of the that weekend, and it'll something awakened to me in that experience with the sage and the ceremony and fire that it really drew me in it connected me to something. It's is something. Is this something I've been searching for for my whole life. You know.
00:15:11.010 --> 00:15:28.649 Tom Garcia: But it was only that only took me part of the way, and then continuing with fire, continuing to deepen my connection to the ceremonial piece as it came to me. Actually, what I say about this is a fire and a ser. The the ceremony came through me, and my voice came to me.
00:15:28.980 --> 00:15:32.639 Tom Garcia: and like that that that's been the
00:15:32.740 --> 00:15:34.050 Tom Garcia: the twin
00:15:34.380 --> 00:15:39.259 Tom Garcia: flames, if you will, that have guided me, listening to my voice and working with ceremony.
00:15:39.630 --> 00:15:40.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Of the plan.
00:15:40.060 --> 00:15:45.400 Tom Garcia: And to help other other people find their way, and to remember
00:15:45.620 --> 00:15:48.359 Tom Garcia: who they are, you know, at their core.
00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Right? Right? Beautiful, beautiful.
00:15:51.100 --> 00:16:10.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Okay. So we're gonna take a quick break when we come back. I would like to talk about when you you started to work with other people like what that was that experience like for you? Because initially, you were just kind of doing your own work. And now, you know, people are starting. Come to you. You're starting to work with them sort of under the radar.
00:16:10.590 --> 00:16:17.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: and and how that experience, maybe, has changed from when you first started. Do it to how you do it now. Okay.
00:16:17.640 --> 00:16:18.780 Tom Garcia: Okay. Great.
00:16:19.970 --> 00:16:37.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consult awakening humanity with this every Thursday 12 noon to one Pm. Eastern time right here on talk radio, Nyc and all over social media, and we'll be right back with our guest, Dr. Tom Garcia, in just a moment.
00:18:53.670 --> 00:19:09.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: And welcome back to the conscious consult now or awakening humanity. So so, Dr. Tom, when when you started doing this work, you're really just kind of doing it for yourself, you know, sitting with the fire, going through your own healing after the loss of a close friend.
00:19:10.180 --> 00:19:12.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: and then the medicine kind of said
00:19:12.930 --> 00:19:26.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: time for you to bring other people time for you to start working with people. What was that like? Do you remember, like the first time you guided someone else. What was it like when you started to like, say, Okay, I gotta now help other people do this. What's that.
00:19:26.140 --> 00:19:27.420 Tom Garcia: Yeah, it was pretty rough.
00:19:27.775 --> 00:19:36.424 Tom Garcia: Because I didn't really know what I was doing. You know, as you said, th those those initial years. I was just working internally and
00:19:37.830 --> 00:19:44.759 Tom Garcia: Clearly I was being guided. Clearly I was being prepared, as I've since understood it. That I was being
00:19:45.570 --> 00:19:56.190 Tom Garcia: tempered. Seasoned is a good word. There was a maturation process going on, but even still the the first few clients. It was kind of rough, because I really didn't
00:19:56.220 --> 00:20:09.349 Tom Garcia: fully realized or understand what I was doing. But as I continued, I started to find this rhythm, and I, and began to understand that the way I was to work with people was the way that the plant medicine worked with me.
00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:11.837 Tom Garcia: So there was.
00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:17.960 Tom Garcia: yeah, you know, when I'm when I'm working with people now.
00:20:19.261 --> 00:20:21.519 Tom Garcia: I've created a safe container
00:20:21.700 --> 00:20:25.890 Tom Garcia: for us to be in together, and we do this. The first they come to the fire
00:20:25.990 --> 00:20:29.500 Tom Garcia: first, without the medicine to get oriented is how I
00:20:29.550 --> 00:20:41.557 Tom Garcia: that's the word I use really to introduce them to the fire, to my ceremonial space, into the to the earth that we're on the land, because we're we're secluded in the woods, but not far from my house and
00:20:42.390 --> 00:20:47.009 Tom Garcia: and then the next night is the medicine night. So we're preparing all this time to.
00:20:47.010 --> 00:20:48.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: With another
00:20:48.780 --> 00:20:50.860 Tom Garcia: Experience. And
00:20:52.240 --> 00:21:05.849 Tom Garcia: so first is that they feel safe enough, that they're comfortable. I'm like you can't do anything wrong, you know. Take your place, make make a place for yourself, and whether they sit or lie down, you know, just logistically speaking.
00:21:05.940 --> 00:21:09.129 Tom Garcia: But then what happens is what you know it would
00:21:09.170 --> 00:21:14.000 Tom Garcia: we ceremonially blessed the medicine as well as open the circle.
00:21:14.100 --> 00:21:19.830 Tom Garcia: and then what happens then is, whatever the mess the the medicine has for us.
00:21:19.840 --> 00:21:21.010 Tom Garcia: you know, and
00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:26.120 Tom Garcia: the intention I speak to is, show us what we need to see about ourselves
00:21:26.360 --> 00:21:27.610 Tom Garcia: and be gentle.
00:21:27.840 --> 00:21:29.500 Tom Garcia: That's the other. And Bejen.
00:21:29.500 --> 00:21:31.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So be gentle is important.
00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:36.620 Tom Garcia: It can. You know it can be a rough ride sometimes, and I do. I do the medicine with my people.
00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:37.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Oh, yeah.
00:21:37.370 --> 00:21:46.939 Tom Garcia: I'm with them. I'm tracking them. I'm like in the dreamscape with them is how I describe it, and and my listening goes way big. So it's been a. It's it's been a
00:21:47.250 --> 00:21:56.420 Tom Garcia: practice, a skill set and experience over many years of being able to be under the influence of the medicine, and be completely cognizant, like.
00:21:56.970 --> 00:22:02.589 Tom Garcia: Way wide awake and listening with and for them, so that when they're ready to
00:22:02.650 --> 00:22:04.100 Tom Garcia: to come to the fire
00:22:04.550 --> 00:22:12.000 Tom Garcia: beside me, and there's usually a point at which everyone comes out of their own quiet time and comes to the fire. And
00:22:12.030 --> 00:22:13.900 Tom Garcia: that's when some of the most.
00:22:13.940 --> 00:22:20.899 Tom Garcia: some of the richest, most powerful conversation happens because we're in together. And we're we're going to this place of
00:22:21.250 --> 00:22:30.919 Tom Garcia: really inquiring into one's life. And and I ask really powerful questions, you know, one of which is, why are you here?
00:22:31.350 --> 00:22:32.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Hmm.
00:22:32.120 --> 00:22:33.310 Tom Garcia: And it sort of
00:22:33.320 --> 00:22:36.970 Tom Garcia: it's I say it in a very direct way. Why are you here?
00:22:37.100 --> 00:22:38.100 Tom Garcia: Tell me.
00:22:38.290 --> 00:22:49.040 Tom Garcia: and they begin to tell me, even if they can articulate, quite articulate it. They start to language it, and then I help them. I'm listening with and for them, and asking questions to help tease out
00:22:49.810 --> 00:22:54.399 Tom Garcia: what guided them here, because no one finds their way to the fire or to the medicine
00:22:54.460 --> 00:23:04.490 Tom Garcia: by accident. Their spirit them here they led them to me to this experience. It's all for them. I let them know this is all for you. I'm here for you. I'm in service.
00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:07.619 Tom Garcia: So that's been the evolution of
00:23:07.750 --> 00:23:11.380 Tom Garcia: the the practice of guiding others is recognizing that
00:23:11.660 --> 00:23:13.740 Tom Garcia: I have a very.
00:23:14.450 --> 00:23:30.080 Tom Garcia: very important role to fulfill here in creating sacred space, asking powerful questions and listening them into existence, if you will, listening them so powerfully that they begin to see themselves in my eyes as I reflect back to them.
00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:32.030 Tom Garcia: who I see, both in their
00:23:32.180 --> 00:23:34.440 Tom Garcia: their beauty and their light, as well as
00:23:34.470 --> 00:23:36.809 Tom Garcia: in their shadow, like calling that out.
00:23:37.630 --> 00:23:43.140 Tom Garcia: not mincing words, not hesitating at all, you know, being really powerfully direct.
00:23:43.590 --> 00:23:47.860 Tom Garcia: And then, you know, I love you right. I like. It's kind of like that.
00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:53.299 Tom Garcia: They have to know that I love them in really whole holistic way
00:23:53.330 --> 00:23:57.520 Tom Garcia: for them to step into what they're called to step into.
00:23:58.950 --> 00:24:00.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: I'm curious.
00:24:03.580 --> 00:24:06.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: you sound like you do things in a very shamanic way.
00:24:07.560 --> 00:24:14.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Do you have any shamanic training over the years? I mean, did you? Do you? Do you learn really any guides? Or this is all kind of self taught.
00:24:15.090 --> 00:24:20.460 Tom Garcia: All self taught, but I have to. With one caveat came. It's it's
00:24:21.030 --> 00:24:29.959 Tom Garcia: you know, I often I'll refer to it as coming to me. It's coming. It was. It was generated from within me, as well, you know. So I'm I have native
00:24:30.090 --> 00:24:31.180 Tom Garcia: heritage.
00:24:32.080 --> 00:24:42.309 Tom Garcia: But I'm not of a lineage, and you know, with native American blood quantum. They measure it in full blood half quarter like that.
00:24:42.540 --> 00:24:47.299 Tom Garcia: What I discovered, though, is that when the spirit comes for you it's a hundred percent.
00:24:48.300 --> 00:24:55.719 Tom Garcia: and how my sense of it is the spirit came for me, and it comes full on, you know, through ceremony, and
00:24:56.030 --> 00:24:59.900 Tom Garcia: there was a point at which my and my inner voice said, it
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:12.500 Tom Garcia: told me that I was a shaman and a medicine man, and I was like, oh, that was years ago, and I'm like I can't even I can't even hear that. I don't even know what that means. So it was a long time before I would actually identify that way.
00:25:12.510 --> 00:25:16.120 Tom Garcia: The same. That's how I operate as Shaman.
00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:17.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Divine.
00:25:17.660 --> 00:25:24.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: And and it sounds like the land is really important, like like the the surrounding the environment.
00:25:25.081 --> 00:25:46.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: You know, because there are people who do plant medicine work all over the globe in all kinds of environments, in the jungles of Peru, and and here in New York City and Manhattan and California, I mean all over the place. This work is being done either underground or above ground. But it sounds like you. You create an environment in nature.
00:25:46.700 --> 00:25:55.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: And I'm just curious, like, W. What does that kind of give you? Or what does that do for you? That really supports the ceremony?
00:25:56.220 --> 00:26:05.300 Tom Garcia: Great question. So I live in an in an intentional community in Southwest Colorado, and we share over 360 acres of
00:26:05.470 --> 00:26:18.030 Tom Garcia: land. So I go outside my door. In less than 10 min I am in the woods, private seated, and I and I over the over the years, 15 plus years I've created a fire circle.
00:26:18.600 --> 00:26:25.699 Tom Garcia: carried heavy rocks to to lay down the the perimeter of the circle, and then the fire pit itself. So there's this like
00:26:26.330 --> 00:26:29.409 Tom Garcia: visceral connection to the earth.
00:26:29.510 --> 00:26:35.469 Tom Garcia: to handling the rocks being on the earth moving about the land. And so my experience is.
00:26:35.500 --> 00:26:44.490 Tom Garcia: there is a spirit on the land that resides there. That's a powerful presence, and I acknowledge it so when I do my opening ceremony
00:26:45.090 --> 00:26:47.759 Tom Garcia: there is not a wasted word.
00:26:48.159 --> 00:26:53.199 Tom Garcia: and I am calling in all the non physical energies and with all the
00:26:53.300 --> 00:26:54.889 Tom Garcia: the the words that I
00:26:55.170 --> 00:26:57.130 Tom Garcia: use to describe. You know.
00:26:57.330 --> 00:27:01.520 Tom Garcia: Great Spirit, Creator, all that is, spirit and all things source of life.
00:27:01.620 --> 00:27:03.140 Tom Garcia: the the
00:27:03.230 --> 00:27:04.979 Tom Garcia: the spirit on the land.
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:09.220 Tom Garcia: all, all, all beings, animate, inanimate, and other
00:27:10.180 --> 00:27:13.859 Tom Garcia: the traditional owners of the land acknowledging
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:19.390 Tom Garcia: the native spirits, the natives who occupied this land.
00:27:19.560 --> 00:27:29.890 Tom Garcia: and I continue on like that, the elementals and the elements of fire, air, water, earth, and spirit and the mystery, those things about which we know nothing with us all the same.
00:27:30.040 --> 00:27:32.749 Tom Garcia: and that sets the stage. And and so
00:27:33.210 --> 00:27:43.030 Tom Garcia: in my experience, and I've seen things. I've experienced energies around me that I could. I could visualize. So I know enough. It's like, Okay.
00:27:43.100 --> 00:28:04.719 Tom Garcia: we're not alone up here. We come well attended and acknowledging the spirit of the place. And so, you know, we all have these notions of going somewhere to sacred sites, you know, and I had an experience of going to Chaco Canyon in New Mexico several years back, and it was windy and cold, and I I still had an amazing experience. But when I came back
00:28:04.970 --> 00:28:06.410 Tom Garcia: my inner voice said.
00:28:06.540 --> 00:28:09.357 Tom Garcia: You didn't have to go all that way.
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:11.200 Tom Garcia: and I was like.
00:28:11.850 --> 00:28:13.429 Tom Garcia: what do you mean?
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.550 Tom Garcia: And what I heard was.
00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:20.470 Tom Garcia: it's right where you are, because of who you are and what you bring.
00:28:20.890 --> 00:28:23.460 Tom Garcia: Sacred ground is between beneath your feet
00:28:24.100 --> 00:28:32.149 Tom Garcia: because of who you are and what you bring, and because of those who've gone before us, and have blessed it with their innocence and their peace. So wherever we are.
00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:33.860 Tom Garcia: their sacred ground.
00:28:34.213 --> 00:28:41.540 Tom Garcia: So I took that to heart. And so my my place on the ground is very much like a sacred spot on the earth, and
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:43.290 Tom Garcia: to be
00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:44.640 Tom Garcia: connected
00:28:44.780 --> 00:28:45.950 Tom Garcia: to place
00:28:46.160 --> 00:29:02.820 Tom Garcia: much like the natives were they were connected to place. They knew the the land intimately, the language of the spirit that moved through all of life and nature. There it was woven into their being. There was no separation, and so to recreate that experience for myself
00:29:03.020 --> 00:29:05.430 Tom Garcia: and others who come with me to the fire.
00:29:05.600 --> 00:29:06.430 Tom Garcia: It's
00:29:06.770 --> 00:29:10.959 Tom Garcia: it adds an element that that we just don't find inside of.
00:29:11.580 --> 00:29:12.720 Tom Garcia: you know, of
00:29:12.800 --> 00:29:30.382 Tom Garcia: a room or an office or a. Still. It works, you know, in a room or an office or a clinical setting. But outside, you know, we're elementally exposed on the earth, under the open sky at the fire. The fires is dynamic energy, that's, you know, really speaks to me, and and I invite people to
00:29:30.890 --> 00:29:34.569 Tom Garcia: to posture themselves in the same way that I do. I kneel.
00:29:35.470 --> 00:29:39.949 Tom Garcia: and my head is bowed most of the time because of what I'm in the presence of.
00:29:40.665 --> 00:29:41.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Man.
00:29:41.020 --> 00:29:46.929 Tom Garcia: In the larger scheme. You know I'm not worshiping the fire. I'm just aware of what I'm in the presence of.
00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:49.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Gotcha gotcha. So it's
00:29:50.340 --> 00:30:05.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: it's really kind of being aware of the energy of it, of the of the spirit of the fire honoring that, and allowing it to serve in the ceremony the way it needs to serve to help people to support people through their process.
00:30:05.560 --> 00:30:09.141 Tom Garcia: Yeah, it it totally does that. You know, I often think that
00:30:09.810 --> 00:30:14.120 Tom Garcia: 80% of my work is done because we're outside on the earth
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:20.040 Tom Garcia: in that way. It's people even without medicine. When I do fire ceremony, people come to the fire.
00:30:20.100 --> 00:30:21.120 Tom Garcia: Dave.
00:30:21.970 --> 00:30:25.289 Tom Garcia: It's like a primal recognition of
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:35.150 Tom Garcia: fire, and that what it provides, and there's they. I experience it over and over again, where people just let down and drop in, and they can really get
00:30:35.390 --> 00:30:37.160 Tom Garcia: honest about
00:30:37.270 --> 00:30:44.239 Tom Garcia: feelings and what they're up against, and what they're struggling with. And you know it's it creates a safe space for them to.
00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:45.880 Tom Garcia: you know, articulate
00:30:46.590 --> 00:30:48.910 Tom Garcia: most difficult things to speak to
00:30:49.530 --> 00:30:51.469 Tom Garcia: in a person's life. You know.
00:30:51.470 --> 00:30:56.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's a lot of pain, a lot of trauma there, too.
00:30:56.760 --> 00:30:57.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah. Group.
00:30:57.970 --> 00:31:04.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Alright. It's time for us to take our next break when we come back. I'd like to start to delve into the more
00:31:04.110 --> 00:31:15.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: mystical spiritual side of this. You know, a lot of people are hearing about plant medicine work, as you know, to create help with mental health and release trauma and all this stuff. But there's actually even a deeper
00:31:16.030 --> 00:31:21.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: way of approaching this, and I would love to explore that with you. As we chat around the fire.
00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:22.990 Tom Garcia: Awesome.
00:31:22.990 --> 00:31:36.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Wonderful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with psychedelic guide and Integration coach, Dr. Tom Garcia, and we'll be right back in just a moment.
00:33:41.290 --> 00:33:44.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: And welcome back. So, Tom.
00:33:44.970 --> 00:33:54.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: when when you work with people, obviously, you're guiding people through ceremony. A lot of people come with all kinds of trauma and pain and anguish.
00:33:55.990 --> 00:33:57.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: But there comes a point at which
00:33:59.150 --> 00:34:00.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: they kind of
00:34:01.060 --> 00:34:03.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: process and work through that.
00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:07.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: and then you take them to a deeper level. And I'd love to
00:34:07.790 --> 00:34:10.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: kind of have that conversation around.
00:34:11.429 --> 00:34:19.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: How that deeper level you know what it takes to get to that deeper level. And then what really happens in that deeper place.
00:34:19.770 --> 00:34:22.579 Tom Garcia: Yeah, that's a great question, too. So
00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:25.449 Tom Garcia: often.
00:34:25.570 --> 00:34:30.390 Tom Garcia: this is my experience also with medicine is, I'm working through
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.250 Tom Garcia: all my ego stuff.
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:39.890 Tom Garcia: Even even today you know what I didn't do, what I should have done, you know some self recrimination.
00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:43.000 Tom Garcia: regret. And
00:34:45.340 --> 00:34:51.429 Tom Garcia: so it's a process for sure. I mean, I've been doing this for years. So it's working through all of that stuff for years.
00:34:51.489 --> 00:34:55.190 Tom Garcia: But it's not like you gotta work all that stuff work through all that stuff
00:34:55.210 --> 00:34:56.510 Tom Garcia: to get to
00:34:56.550 --> 00:35:05.260 Tom Garcia: this deeper mystical experience. So, for example, I'll just speak for myself personally, and then I could use some examples. But getting, you know. Maybe it takes
00:35:06.060 --> 00:35:08.130 Tom Garcia: an hour or 2 just to get
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:10.240 Tom Garcia: I call it getting over yourself
00:35:11.580 --> 00:35:12.809 Tom Garcia: and over myself
00:35:13.326 --> 00:35:28.583 Tom Garcia: then, and this and there's something else. I I I simply call it the shamonic space. It's like moving through this membrane, almost this sort of veil. It's like coming through in onto the other side. What's outside is ego, and what's inside is
00:35:30.640 --> 00:35:33.570 Tom Garcia: wow! I'm connected to.
00:35:33.770 --> 00:35:48.939 Tom Garcia: I feel connected to source. I feel connected to my deepest, most heartfelt prayers and blessings, and I can offer them from that space. It's like a a place of awe and gratitude and appreciation. And this awareness. It's
00:35:49.470 --> 00:35:51.899 Tom Garcia: it's worth whatever it takes to get in there.
00:35:52.570 --> 00:35:54.119 Tom Garcia: And when I'm working with people.
00:35:55.680 --> 00:35:59.520 Tom Garcia: sometimes they they can join me there, and sometimes they can't.
00:35:59.850 --> 00:36:05.809 Tom Garcia: Sometimes they just can't get there, and I recognize it. I I there's a.
00:36:05.810 --> 00:36:07.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: What, what causes the resistance?
00:36:10.830 --> 00:36:13.039 Tom Garcia: I think the ego.
00:36:13.040 --> 00:36:13.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Hmm.
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:18.490 Tom Garcia: The ego's resistance is so strong it won't permit them. It won't like it won't let go.
00:36:18.500 --> 00:36:21.010 Tom Garcia: And part of the beauty of the plant medicine is that
00:36:21.080 --> 00:36:22.549 Tom Garcia: the degree to which it
00:36:23.180 --> 00:36:28.680 Tom Garcia: renders the ego like it disabled, or it takes the ego off.
00:36:28.680 --> 00:36:30.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Quiet. Yeah. Takes it offline here.
00:36:30.750 --> 00:36:32.518 Tom Garcia: Why is ego and
00:36:33.150 --> 00:36:37.680 Tom Garcia: And when that happens, it's, you know, amazing things happen when the ego is like.
00:36:37.870 --> 00:36:42.599 Tom Garcia: just stay over there. We're going to be okay. But we got work to do over here, you know.
00:36:42.710 --> 00:36:45.190 Tom Garcia: but sometimes it doesn't let go.
00:36:45.500 --> 00:36:49.429 Tom Garcia: And I've you know, I've experienced people just being kind of caught.
00:36:49.570 --> 00:36:52.680 Tom Garcia: caught in their own stuff, caught in shame, caught in
00:36:53.430 --> 00:36:55.800 Tom Garcia: self-judgment.
00:36:57.010 --> 00:36:58.560 Tom Garcia: But still they come back.
00:36:59.490 --> 00:37:03.790 Tom Garcia: They come back because they know on the other side of that even
00:37:04.080 --> 00:37:11.169 Tom Garcia: there's so many different layers. But even if they don't come fully into the what I call the shamanic space, you know, there is that on the other side of the journey
00:37:11.580 --> 00:37:12.540 Tom Garcia: deep.
00:37:13.210 --> 00:37:17.999 Tom Garcia: revealing rich conversation that helps them to see and understand
00:37:18.180 --> 00:37:31.590 Tom Garcia: their program, or that thing they do, or how they've been operating in the world, and what it's cost them. I mean, we have some really direct, straight conversations about like, what's the cost been of your behavior or your the way that you
00:37:32.470 --> 00:37:35.820 Tom Garcia: oriented yourself to your life. And
00:37:38.220 --> 00:37:41.140 Tom Garcia: almost without exception, we get to that.
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:57.769 Tom Garcia: you know, to that rich conversation at the on the downside of the journey. That's beautiful and engaging, and people can really drop in and begin find that place to offer their blessings and their prayers, and to let go or release and unburden themselves. So
00:37:57.860 --> 00:37:59.160 Tom Garcia: one caveat
00:37:59.290 --> 00:38:01.058 Tom Garcia: it's it's not like
00:38:01.850 --> 00:38:25.559 Tom Garcia: in a clinical setting where someone might be just laying on the couch, and you've got the facilitator, the therapist sitting nearby with a clipboard and a pen, just taking notes, and you know, and observing and keeping them safe. This is a much more engaged experience when they're with me at at the fire and and so we're we're going to work, you know a real sense, but also beyond the work is
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:31.580 Tom Garcia: This has happened over and over again in my work with people is watching them
00:38:31.740 --> 00:38:35.330 Tom Garcia: snap awake like coming out of the
00:38:35.390 --> 00:38:38.839 Tom Garcia: the the dream that they've been in the illusion, if you will.
00:38:39.010 --> 00:38:40.469 Tom Garcia: and and
00:38:40.530 --> 00:38:44.159 Tom Garcia: being able to really look and just see like oh, my God!
00:38:44.180 --> 00:38:48.949 Tom Garcia: Is that what I've been doing? Someone said to me once, what kind of idiot I'm like?
00:38:49.479 --> 00:38:54.689 Tom Garcia: I'm not saying but what you know, what kind of video would do that to themselves. You know.
00:38:54.690 --> 00:38:55.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah.
00:38:55.150 --> 00:38:58.589 Tom Garcia: So. And here's the other thing, too, Sam is. There's a lot of humor.
00:38:58.990 --> 00:39:02.900 Tom Garcia: And I I I let people know that upfront like we gotta have some some levity here.
00:39:02.900 --> 00:39:03.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yes, you did.
00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:19.210 Tom Garcia: It can get hard, it can get rough, and when it gets when it gets really thick, I might say, Okay, this this time out, just hold on! You're doing great work. I know this is hard. I know this is hard, and if I'm being an asshole, I apologize like No, no, no, you know you're not. It's. And I said, Okay, cool.
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:20.630 Tom Garcia: Alright.
00:39:21.080 --> 00:39:23.170 Tom Garcia: Let's go back in, you know.
00:39:23.850 --> 00:39:24.760 Tom Garcia: to do.
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:27.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Do people come to you for
00:39:28.010 --> 00:39:38.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: kind of that deeper, higher experience? Or are they really mostly just coming to you to relieve the pain, and then that ends up being sort of a side benefit.
00:39:40.420 --> 00:39:43.900 Tom Garcia: Most people come because of reaching for something higher.
00:39:44.180 --> 00:39:44.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Hmm.
00:39:44.810 --> 00:39:45.550 Tom Garcia: Nice.
00:39:46.470 --> 00:39:56.520 Tom Garcia: It's not just, for, like the ecstatic experience of of a trip. And what's that all about? They're reaching for something they will reach for something more, something more authentic in their lives within themselves.
00:39:56.900 --> 00:40:07.019 Tom Garcia: And sometimes they do come. And just like they're just a wash in pain. And and they're looking for a way out of it some relief, and you know I can help them with that also.
00:40:08.770 --> 00:40:09.959 Tom Garcia: But there's a
00:40:11.900 --> 00:40:16.449 Tom Garcia: there's a there are several themes that emerge that I've seen over and over.
00:40:16.450 --> 00:40:16.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Hmm.
00:40:16.890 --> 00:40:30.399 Tom Garcia: Forgiveness, trust, surrender, surrender is a big one to surrender you. You know this, you you know this from your own experience of just surrendering like letting go, and for from so many people surrender is really hard. That's a tough one.
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:31.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah.
00:40:31.180 --> 00:40:44.019 Tom Garcia: The 1 one of my clients said, God, the closest, the closest I can come to surrender is compromise, and we just laughed. I said, oh, isn't! That's an ego construct, if there ever was one. But this is, it's not that surrender is not passive, it's
00:40:44.100 --> 00:40:47.250 Tom Garcia: it's a it's a powerful act of will
00:40:47.710 --> 00:40:54.950 Tom Garcia: to surrender ourselves and open to the experience. And when we do that and resistance goes down.
00:40:55.250 --> 00:40:56.340 Tom Garcia: then
00:40:57.050 --> 00:41:05.039 Tom Garcia: magic becomes available that wasn't available before, and that's where the ease comes in. And that's where I think people then are much better able
00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:07.800 Tom Garcia: to enter into that shamanic space of
00:41:07.970 --> 00:41:16.960 Tom Garcia: deep gratitude, and really seeing what they've been doing in their lives, and the the constructs of their own ego, and how it's affected them.
00:41:17.140 --> 00:41:22.129 Tom Garcia: you know, in various ways, and the judgments that we carry that don't serve us, you know.
00:41:22.130 --> 00:41:22.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah.
00:41:22.780 --> 00:41:25.429 Tom Garcia: So many. There's so many areas to explore, you know.
00:41:25.430 --> 00:41:26.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Over. Didn't
00:41:26.720 --> 00:41:28.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: do you find that.
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:36.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: like most people, come back several times to get to that place? Or is it the kind of thing that you know, one really intense experience, and they get there.
00:41:38.640 --> 00:42:01.488 Tom Garcia: They could get there. In one really intense experience I think it's entirely possible. But most people, the return visits have been so. I have people that have been with me for several years, those who come just one time. Those it the most satisfying for me is when I get to work with them over time. You know several experiences, or over a period of years.
00:42:01.890 --> 00:42:07.280 Tom Garcia: where they they are now on the medicine path of their own volition.
00:42:07.680 --> 00:42:12.209 Tom Garcia: you know they recognize, and I make it clear. This is a path.
00:42:12.340 --> 00:42:20.620 Tom Garcia: This is a path. It chooses you as much as you seem to choose it. It's not easy now. I don't like lay it out for them. They just know that
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.260 Tom Garcia: I've been called.
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:22.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah.
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.944 Tom Garcia: I'm here. Here I am again, you know, like that. But like I said earlier, it's like, who would?
00:42:28.550 --> 00:42:33.690 Tom Garcia: Who would choose this, you know, because it can be really hard sometimes, but it's nothing. It's like.
00:42:33.690 --> 00:42:34.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah.
00:42:34.110 --> 00:42:35.759 Tom Garcia: You know, it's really beautiful.
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:40.735 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah, yeah, I've heard it said that, you know, spirit will demand quite a lot of you
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: on this path, but it will also reward the you quite a bit as well.
00:42:45.720 --> 00:42:47.230 Tom Garcia: Yeah, that's really true.
00:42:50.150 --> 00:43:02.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Are there still challenges you have working with people and doing this. I mean, you've been doing this for quite a while. Do do certain experiences, or certain individuals really challenge you when it comes to taking them to this deeper place.
00:43:02.780 --> 00:43:03.420 Tom Garcia: I mean
00:43:04.181 --> 00:43:09.000 Tom Garcia: I'm really well seasoned now I really am. I mean I I
00:43:09.120 --> 00:43:13.670 Tom Garcia: in one sense I really know what I'm doing. And then there's this whole arena of
00:43:13.830 --> 00:43:14.960 Tom Garcia: not knowing
00:43:15.330 --> 00:43:17.229 Tom Garcia: how I facilitate.
00:43:17.250 --> 00:43:27.659 Tom Garcia: I don't over facilitate. And as someone said recently, you kind of under facilitate. And I don't mean that negatively. And I'm like, that's right, because I'm making space for the facilitation of
00:43:27.670 --> 00:43:32.309 Tom Garcia: the Divine Spirit. What that the intelligence to let you know, making room for that.
00:43:32.470 --> 00:43:39.029 Tom Garcia: And yes, people still present with such levels of resistance. I'm like.
00:43:40.520 --> 00:43:41.959 Tom Garcia: where do I get in here?
00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:51.570 Tom Garcia: And I'm like listening. I'm I'm not frantic. I'm just like so like the more the more intense it gets, or the more resistance there is, the calmer I get.
00:43:51.870 --> 00:43:54.969 Tom Garcia: I'm like in this really calm place. It's like, What
00:43:55.490 --> 00:43:58.869 Tom Garcia: is this person asking for? What do they need?
00:43:59.410 --> 00:44:03.080 Tom Garcia: Just recently had this experience with someone? And I got really like?
00:44:04.460 --> 00:44:06.160 Tom Garcia: And I. And I said to him.
00:44:06.340 --> 00:44:07.649 Tom Garcia: This is it
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:09.290 Tom Garcia: right here?
00:44:09.410 --> 00:44:16.359 Tom Garcia: This is it. This is your experience, and you can participate fully and open, or you can stay shut down.
00:44:16.980 --> 00:44:18.369 Tom Garcia: This is all you're gonna get.
00:44:18.730 --> 00:44:22.439 Tom Garcia: But I'm here to serve you. I'm I'm here to love you. I'm here to to
00:44:23.270 --> 00:44:27.459 Tom Garcia: hold a space for you to get what you came for.
00:44:27.580 --> 00:44:30.780 Tom Garcia: and that one little conversation just like
00:44:31.300 --> 00:44:37.220 Tom Garcia: it opened. And then we were like in Sync, and we connected. And there was like great
00:44:37.330 --> 00:44:44.340 Tom Garcia: camaraderie and laughter, and there were tears. And you know I went over, and I could, you know, just hold them, and just, you know.
00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:45.510 Tom Garcia: was beautiful.
00:44:45.510 --> 00:44:47.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Beautiful, beautiful.
00:44:47.020 --> 00:44:52.280 Tom Garcia: And that was how then the rest of the night. Then it was open. You know, the way was open. It's like I'm just
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:58.030 Tom Garcia: so committed. I'm just like rigorously committed to people getting what they came for.
00:44:58.030 --> 00:45:00.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah, yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
00:45:00.870 --> 00:45:06.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: beautiful! Alright it. Believe it or not. It's time for us to take our last break of the show when we come back
00:45:06.850 --> 00:45:18.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: I'd love to to get just some perspective of since you know Colorado just recently. It hasn't been that long that they legalized psilocybin and other things like.
00:45:18.510 --> 00:45:22.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: what? How you see people showing up today like, is there a different.
00:45:22.820 --> 00:45:40.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Or to before when you started, and and sort of where do you see things going from here? What kind of advice like if our listeners are, you know, listening. And they're like, Wow, this is really kind of experience I would like to have if you have advice for them about how to find that experience for themselves. Okay.
00:45:42.560 --> 00:45:53.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: beautiful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We've been speaking this hour with Dr. Tom Garcia, and we will be right back
00:45:53.090 --> 00:45:55.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: to wrap it all up in just a moment.
00:48:01.890 --> 00:48:06.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: And welcome back to the conscious consult now awakening humanity.
00:48:08.130 --> 00:48:09.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: so so, Tom.
00:48:10.310 --> 00:48:13.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: you know, when you started doing this? you know
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: people started to come to one to one slowly.
00:48:16.710 --> 00:48:25.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: How do people find you these days? And how is the way you're working with them, you know, different than maybe when you did it, you know, years ago.
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.570 Tom Garcia: Well, folks are finding me by word of mouth.
00:48:29.640 --> 00:48:42.989 Tom Garcia: you know. One person comes to work with me. They tell someone else it's like this guy really needs to see, or this woman really needs to to come to your fire. And then I you know, I we get acquainted. I find out. If this is, if I'm the right fit for them, they gotta. We gotta be the right fit.
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:51.490 Tom Garcia: You know, that's really important and doing podcasts. I was on the expanded states of Consciousness World Summit. And
00:48:51.700 --> 00:48:54.840 Tom Garcia: so many folks came out of that because the interview was just.
00:48:55.180 --> 00:48:55.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah.
00:48:55.650 --> 00:49:03.680 Tom Garcia: So authentic and rich, and very much like this, I mean, just, you know, really connected in our, in our conversation here. And
00:49:03.810 --> 00:49:06.979 Tom Garcia: so that's how they find me. And it's
00:49:07.230 --> 00:49:15.941 Tom Garcia: it's been even this year has been. I've been busier than ever this year with folks, you know, that are looking for this.
00:49:16.290 --> 00:49:21.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So did things really open up for you in Colorado legalized suicider.
00:49:21.020 --> 00:49:24.400 Tom Garcia: They opened up when I got real about what I was doing.
00:49:25.010 --> 00:49:33.599 Tom Garcia: That's the funny thing. It was an energetic one, like I said earlier, when I finally began to identify as a as a psychedelic guide and integration coach.
00:49:34.670 --> 00:49:35.720 Tom Garcia: Then
00:49:36.170 --> 00:49:40.399 Tom Garcia: by magic it seemed like people just started coming into my experience.
00:49:41.530 --> 00:49:46.390 Tom Garcia: So it's been, you know, it's and this is this is part of the path, too, to be authentic.
00:49:46.560 --> 00:49:48.379 Tom Garcia: authentic, and true.
00:49:48.470 --> 00:49:49.720 Tom Garcia: To who we are
00:49:50.410 --> 00:49:53.849 Tom Garcia: to, you know, identify with our deepest, most heartfelt.
00:49:54.890 --> 00:49:58.569 Tom Garcia: you know, part of ourselves and to live from that.
00:49:58.670 --> 00:50:07.910 Tom Garcia: So I'm like a demonstration of it. I model it, and it's been my own process of you know, finding my way to to that, you know, finding my authentic voice.
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:19.540 Tom Garcia: I think a lot of people are wanting their authentic voice, and to be true to who they are, and to to step from behind the facade to let it fall away. But that's also the greatest fear is.
00:50:19.560 --> 00:50:25.880 Tom Garcia: if and I asked that question of someone, what are you afraid of? They said. I'm afraid I'm afraid to see who I really am.
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.149 Tom Garcia: because the life I've built has been predicated on
00:50:29.610 --> 00:50:31.460 Tom Garcia: this persona.
00:50:31.660 --> 00:50:32.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah.
00:50:32.210 --> 00:50:34.399 Tom Garcia: That meaning for what I built, you know.
00:50:34.530 --> 00:50:37.490 Tom Garcia: like that. So what's changed is
00:50:39.200 --> 00:51:07.659 Tom Garcia: in Colorado. What I'm seeing is people are more out in the open about looking for it. Also, you know I have. I see, veterans and professionals that are like, you know. I I was worried about my licensure. You know my professional reputation. But now it's out in the open or veterans, and it's is gonna show up on a blood test which is gonna affect my service, you know, like that? And the answer is no. And so veterans are fine that are still active service as well as those who've retired, and since you know, they're dealing with
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:11.090 Tom Garcia: Ptsd, and the effects of you know, service related
00:51:12.965 --> 00:51:17.640 Tom Garcia: issues. You know, it's been beautiful to be able to serve. You know our veterans like that.
00:51:17.640 --> 00:51:21.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: And and do? Do you only work with people, one on one? Do you do groups? How do you work.
00:51:21.950 --> 00:51:27.620 Tom Garcia: Groups as well. Small groups. Interestingly, I'm having entrepreneurial teams find their way.
00:51:28.590 --> 00:51:35.190 Tom Garcia: Entrepreneurs that want to deepen their connection and their team, but also do their own individual work.
00:51:35.660 --> 00:51:48.859 Tom Garcia: Women's. I've I've got 2 women's retreats lined up to this year, and a Men's Retreat and the retreat of Shamanic practitioners about a half dozen people that they've been. They've been to Peru. They've done the ayahuasca
00:51:49.453 --> 00:51:53.320 Tom Garcia: ceremonial work. And now they're looking to come
00:51:54.080 --> 00:51:57.800 Tom Garcia: here in in our homeland, you know, on yeah
00:51:57.820 --> 00:52:01.000 Tom Garcia: work to do the work in a ceremonial way.
00:52:01.020 --> 00:52:02.979 Tom Garcia: and I I truly
00:52:03.260 --> 00:52:08.869 Tom Garcia: feel my ceremony is authentic and true. I it's not appropriated from any other tradition.
00:52:09.580 --> 00:52:16.369 Tom Garcia: Through the ethers in a in a good way. So here it is, you know, ceremonies right here. We bring it.
00:52:16.900 --> 00:52:17.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Hmm.
00:52:17.540 --> 00:52:21.050 Tom Garcia: We bring it, and that's what I tell folks who come here. I say.
00:52:21.150 --> 00:52:22.960 Tom Garcia: take what you find here
00:52:23.080 --> 00:52:24.449 Tom Garcia: and take it home.
00:52:24.450 --> 00:52:25.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah, you did.
00:52:26.210 --> 00:52:29.860 Tom Garcia: Make a circle and put a fire in it wherever you are.
00:52:30.070 --> 00:52:37.800 Tom Garcia: Find the ceremony that lives in your heart. Take anything that I have here, and use it, modify it, make it your own.
00:52:37.910 --> 00:52:38.550 Tom Garcia: No.
00:52:38.550 --> 00:52:46.398 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Beautiful, beautiful! I see we have a a comment on the live stream from loyal listener Patty tunes in every week. So appreciate you, Patty?
00:52:47.260 --> 00:52:54.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: She asks. Have you heard of Don Latton's book? God on Psychedelics? He's a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle.
00:52:55.180 --> 00:52:56.140 Tom Garcia: No.
00:52:56.140 --> 00:53:04.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: No, I I've heard the title, but I I haven't. I'm not familiar with the book so definitely. Something I have to check out God and psychedelics. Probably.
00:53:05.130 --> 00:53:09.790 Tom Garcia: I'll check it out. Also, I just want to say briefly, when I started on this path
00:53:10.300 --> 00:53:11.510 Tom Garcia: I
00:53:11.520 --> 00:53:20.169 Tom Garcia: I didn't read anything. I didn't want to know anything. I didn't want to know how to do ceremony. I didn't want to read about psychedelics. I didn't want anyone anyone to tell me
00:53:20.470 --> 00:53:29.180 Tom Garcia: how it's done, what their experience was, what to look for. I wanted my own direct experience uncontaminated by any outside influence, and once I got that.
00:53:29.560 --> 00:53:41.899 Tom Garcia: and I came out of the woods I was shocked to find how much was already happening. We were psychedelic. Renaissance was already underway, and I was just like stepping right into it. And
00:53:41.950 --> 00:53:46.580 Tom Garcia: Michael Pollan's book was a seminal piece. How to change your mind.
00:53:46.580 --> 00:53:47.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yep.
00:53:47.660 --> 00:53:48.979 Tom Garcia: Yeah, so
00:53:49.520 --> 00:53:52.309 Tom Garcia: yeah, we are in the midst of a reawakening.
00:53:52.780 --> 00:53:53.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yes.
00:53:53.590 --> 00:53:55.580 Tom Garcia: Plant medicine as teachers, and
00:53:56.390 --> 00:53:57.410 Tom Garcia: it's allies.
00:53:57.410 --> 00:54:11.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: So so speaking of that, W. Where do you see things going for here for people engaged in this kind of work with? Do you see things just continuing to grow? Are there challenges or the things we would need to be careful of.
00:54:12.620 --> 00:54:14.220 Tom Garcia: Yes, and yes, and yes.
00:54:15.590 --> 00:54:18.040 Tom Garcia: You know the the big thrust
00:54:18.100 --> 00:54:20.790 Tom Garcia: is in the treatment paradigm.
00:54:21.340 --> 00:54:33.400 Tom Garcia: you know. There's lots of research being done valid research, you know, John Hopkins, and through other organizations that are finding great benefit and efficacy with psychedelics. So that's always gonna be one
00:54:34.020 --> 00:54:37.500 Tom Garcia: big fat Avenue, because it has the backing of
00:54:37.630 --> 00:54:54.489 Tom Garcia: government and big pharma and venture capitalists that that are funding this movement. And then there's the those like myself who've been underground for such a long time, and are now coming out of the shadows and being able to operate, you know, above board, and
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:59.410 Tom Garcia: and then there's everything in between. So we have, you know, on the one spectrum
00:54:59.430 --> 00:55:01.839 Tom Garcia: certification is psychedelic
00:55:02.390 --> 00:55:03.140 Tom Garcia: done.
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:14.830 Tom Garcia: facilitators being certified as a psychedelic facilitator, and you might have no experience. Maybe you're a counselor or a therapist. You go to Mexico for your one experience. Take a 6 month course, and now you're certified.
00:55:15.250 --> 00:55:16.919 Tom Garcia: But does that? Does the
00:55:16.930 --> 00:55:19.629 Tom Garcia: that does not diminish the value that you can bring?
00:55:19.660 --> 00:55:22.220 Tom Garcia: And then there's people like myself that have been.
00:55:22.700 --> 00:55:26.510 Tom Garcia: you know, north of 200 journeys. Self.
00:55:26.650 --> 00:55:29.840 Tom Garcia: Todd, if you will, the whole process like that.
00:55:29.970 --> 00:55:32.030 Tom Garcia: And people are looking for that as well.
00:55:32.670 --> 00:55:37.960 Tom Garcia: And I have people that say I don't. I don't want to do the clinical experience I want to be out in nature.
00:55:38.530 --> 00:55:47.739 Tom Garcia: I'm not looking to. I don't have a diagnosis. And I say, Oh, that's good cause. I'm not curing, fixing, or, you know, solving anything.
00:55:48.170 --> 00:56:04.109 Tom Garcia: I don't, and I don't have a diagnosis for you. You know this. That's the spiritual journey for a lot of people. And I'm I'm creating a a training mentoring program for people that wanna learn how to do what I do, not to not to exactly
00:56:04.450 --> 00:56:06.269 Tom Garcia: mirror, or, or.
00:56:06.330 --> 00:56:15.010 Tom Garcia: you know, model it verbatim, but to but to find their own unique expression in a ceremonial way, to guide people from the heart with
00:56:15.030 --> 00:56:16.450 Tom Garcia: with clarity, and
00:56:16.640 --> 00:56:20.219 Tom Garcia: to be connected to your own internal guidance in the matter of
00:56:20.470 --> 00:56:23.470 Tom Garcia: the use of plant medicine in working with other people.
00:56:24.140 --> 00:56:26.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
00:56:27.530 --> 00:56:48.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Well, well, Tom, I I could keep talking to you for hours and hours around this. It's obvious you're very well grounded. You're compassionate. And and you're really looking to serve people. In in the best way possible. If people want to learn more about you get in touch with you? How would they do that?
00:56:49.220 --> 00:57:00.530 Tom Garcia: Just go to Dr. Tom garcia.com. That's my website. And all my contact info is there? I've got a whole series of blogs where I'm more now forthcoming about the psychedelic experience and
00:57:00.540 --> 00:57:01.740 Tom Garcia: all various
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:03.620 Tom Garcia: categories. You know.
00:57:03.620 --> 00:57:04.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: All the experience
00:57:04.500 --> 00:57:05.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: to help around that.
00:57:05.630 --> 00:57:06.570 Tom Garcia: So understanding.
00:57:06.570 --> 00:57:14.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Wonderful, and that's Dr. Just DR. Tom, TOM. Garcia, GARC. ia.com.
00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:20.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Tom, thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule to come on my show today. It's been a pleasure to have you.
00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:22.590 Tom Garcia: Yeah, thank you. It's been awesome.
00:57:22.590 --> 00:57:26.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Yeah. And we'll definitely next time I make it to Colorado. We'll definitely connect.
00:57:26.190 --> 00:57:28.270 Tom Garcia: Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:57:28.270 --> 00:57:46.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Absolutely and as always. Thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in every week. Without you there is no show I so appreciate you. Please help us spread the word, get the word out there. Let others know if you enjoyed this conversation, share to whether you're listening on the podcast. Or on the live stream.
00:57:46.753 --> 00:58:01.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Please share. And don't forget. If you did miss any part of today's show. You can always catch the replay on talk radio dot. Nyc, on all the major podcasting platforms and on all over social media, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter Linkedin.
00:58:01.850 --> 00:58:23.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consutlant: Thank you all for tuning in, I appreciate you all. Don't forget later today. Immediately following this show. It's Dr. Richard Lewis Miller with his new show, the mind, body, health, and Politics show, and later today with Frank Harrison at 5 Pm. Eastern time, with his show. Frank about health. Take care, everyone. We will talk to you all next week.
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