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EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this episode of Frank About Health; Logan Pethtel, Marissa Harris, Karen Ross and Myself followup on our discussion last January on Logan's experience with D.I.D. to foster a live interactive conversation with each other and the audience to learn more about how his case has been a model for those living with D.I.D. to seek guidance and support.
Logan Pethtel shared with me in January that he had 17 alters that were together in a schematic Viking Ship which has enabled him after each trauma to co-exist with his personalities and has created a model for what an integrated person looks like.
Karen and Marissa were able to give a clinical discussion on what was traditionally called split personality, multiple personality and now Dissociative Identity Disorder which was changed by the DSM in the early 1990's as a result of stigma which the media has poorly portrayed those living with the condition. Their discussion was missing one person and that was Logan. So this episode will bring us all together for a very open discussion on Logan's experience and allow the listeners and viewers to see that Logan is a role model and Marissa can look at the level of his integration and provide additional insights.
Logan Pethtel: (Linked IN)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/logan-pethtel-171603180/
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Marissa Harris: (Linked IN)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/marissa-harris-lcsw-95780295/
Website: https://www.teloshealthandwellnessservices.com/
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Karen Ross: (Website)
Website: https://karenrossnow.com/
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Frank introduces his returning guests Karen Ross, Logan Pethtel, and Marissa Harris. This is a follow-up episode to the D.I.D. episode starring Logan. Frank asks Logan what has changed since the last episode from January. Logan explains that not much has changed, but he has noticed that he has new altars. Karen Ross shares many conditions and illnesses to acknowledge in March. Some of the conditions she listed were kidney, vision, pulmonary rehabilitation, and brain injury awareness month. Marrisa enters the conversation and gives insight into herself and her clinical background. In the previous episode, Logan explained that his alters derived from specific traumas. Frank asks him if his new altar was created due to trauma.
Coming back from the break, Karen asks if D.I.D. symptoms stem from trauma only or if other aspects of stress can create problems for the condition. Marissa explains that in her understanding of D.I.D. there has always been some type of trauma that has occurred. Logan explains that the vast majority of his altars come from trauma throughout his life. He also adds that traumatic systems are only one part of the D.I.D community. There are also endogenic systems that can also create altars. Frank asks if there are any medications or treatments for the condition. Logan talks about the treatment he’s been getting for his condition. He also adds that there is no cure or anything for D.I.D. because each person is so different. Logan can’t treat the condition, but he can treat the symptoms. He is currently taking anxiety medication, which he says is working for him.
Frank shares that he takes medication for his epilepsy, but the medication also helps his depression and anxiety. Logan explains how one altar can transform from another altar. He says that if one altar had depression, then it is likely that another altar that is formed from the original might also have depression. We learn a little more about Logan’s altars and their different personalities. During her training, Marissa explained that they had to understand the autonomic nervous system, which is understanding what triggers what. Understanding our trauma helps us understand ourselves as humans.
Returning from the break, Karen comments on hypnosis and D.I.D. Marissa gives a little insight into her practice. Logan introduces everyone to an alter, one of whom is a sixteen-year-old girl. Frank About Health is going on a hiatus and will return with Frank and cohost Karen Ross.
00:01:07.940 --> 00:01:08.960 Frank R Harrison: are we on?
00:01:12.270 --> 00:01:21.079 Frank R Harrison: Okay, everybody. This is live television for you. We make mistakes. But at least we come right on top. Now that being said, welcome to this
00:01:21.260 --> 00:01:31.920 Frank R Harrison: extra special episode of Frank about health, it is a follow-up to the did show that we did with our special guest, Logan Peethil, in January, and, as you recall from that show.
00:01:31.950 --> 00:01:57.340 Frank R Harrison: it was with Karen Ross and Dr. Marissa Harris from Chicago, who gave their interesting overview clinical overview about what did is. And we just knew from the complete feedback we received and the hundreds of views that we got on our Youtube channel, there needed to be a live follow up, including our technical difficulties. That being said, I want to first issue my disclaimer
00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.650 Frank R Harrison: dissociative identity disorder is
00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:27.060 Frank R Harrison: an interesting disorder because it has its own stigmas, and it has its own controversial aspects. To it, however, it is something that is livable, as Logan has testified before on our previous episode. We're gonna talk more about that with him and with Marissa and Karen. But any of the comments that you listen to that you do not agree with, or that you feel are trying to dissuade you from ongoing mental health treatments.
00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:47.620 Frank R Harrison: This show is not for you. This is just the thoughts of a conversation, food for thought, that we are going to engage on in the next hour. They are not to make you come up with any other medical decisions that we are not in the business of advocating, for therefore they're not the thoughts of talk radio Dot, Nyc or of Frank about health.
00:02:47.670 --> 00:02:54.799 Frank R Harrison: or of Karen Ross now, or of Dr. Marissa Harris. They are just the thoughts of Logan Petal
00:02:55.540 --> 00:03:04.020 Frank R Harrison: that all being said, I hope we did not go too much of a delay when we started. But I want to welcome you all back to Frank about health.
00:03:04.100 --> 00:03:07.059 Frank R Harrison: and that being said, let's start with you, Logan.
00:03:07.110 --> 00:03:10.820 Frank R Harrison: What has been your life like since last January?
00:03:12.880 --> 00:03:16.919 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Well, first of all, it's it's great to be back, Frank, this is
00:03:17.780 --> 00:03:21.640 Frank R Harrison: This is certainly an odd feeling being on the other end of the engineering board. But
00:03:22.720 --> 00:03:28.900 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: you know it's nice to get out of my comfort zone every once in a while life's been fairly standard.
00:03:29.190 --> 00:03:33.119 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: things have changed new altars, new, just
00:03:35.610 --> 00:03:36.530 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: life.
00:03:37.620 --> 00:03:38.750 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: just life.
00:03:40.860 --> 00:03:48.470 Frank R Harrison: Okay? And then, basically, I want all the viewers and listeners to understand that. Typically when Karen and I do a show at the beginning of each month.
00:03:48.690 --> 00:03:58.300 Frank R Harrison: it is typically an awareness month of that particular health event that's going on. If you recall last February we started with cardiac awareness month.
00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:05.350 Frank R Harrison: Now there are a lot of other things to be aware of in the month of March. So I'm going to turn it over to Karen
00:04:05.370 --> 00:04:12.370 Frank R Harrison: to explain what is going on in February. But then explain why we've chosen to do this follow-up show in place.
00:04:12.850 --> 00:04:20.410 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: Okay? Great Frank. Yeah. There are a number of conditions or
00:04:20.910 --> 00:04:25.570 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: diseases that are acknowledged in the month of March.
00:04:25.670 --> 00:04:31.680 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: And as as Frank said, because of the popularity of the subject of Did
00:04:31.750 --> 00:04:56.320 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: did. We decided to take this week and focus on that, especially since Logan could join us, which is terrific. But I'm just gonna briefly mention some of the conditions that are honored in March. So if it's something you're dealing with, you could probably get information from a local association something like that. If you feel like you need some help. It's national kidney month.
00:04:56.420 --> 00:05:04.479 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: I had kidney stones years and years ago. So when it's when they say kidney, I immediately think of it thankfully. It's been a long time
00:05:04.530 --> 00:05:14.459 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: a couple of different awarenesses regarding our eyes. Workplace, eye wellness month. It's save your vision month.
00:05:14.580 --> 00:05:24.369 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: So it's a good time to take care of your eyes. If you haven't seen your ophthalmologist or your optometrist recently. Maybe it's time you get that on the books.
00:05:24.530 --> 00:05:27.930 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: it is pulmonary rehabilitation month.
00:05:28.030 --> 00:05:38.899 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: People have been dealing with asthma Logan. You mentioned asthma earlier or other lung associated conditions. It's a month to to pay attention to that
00:05:38.930 --> 00:05:44.690 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: brain injury, awareness, month, national nutrition month. We all should pay attention to that.
00:05:44.740 --> 00:06:06.019 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: Anyway, there are a few others on March thirtieth. It's National Doctors Day. If you have a doctor's appointment on the thirtieth, be sure to wish him or her happy day. He or she may not know what you're talking about. Tell them that you're honoring them because it's National Doctor's day.
00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:18.040 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: So that's mentioning just a few. And, Frank, I think you recently learned of another date in March that honors what we're talking about today.
00:06:18.140 --> 00:06:20.880 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: So give us a little more information about that.
00:06:21.610 --> 00:06:29.460 Frank R Harrison: Well, I guess it was all Nirvana in many ways. As I mentioned this particular episode, that we aired in January
00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:44.999 Frank R Harrison: reach a lot of critical impact that it's now featured on my home page, on my website and through my Instagram as well as Linkedin following. In addition to Logan himself. I was made aware that March seventh, 2024, which is to day.
00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:46.180 Frank R Harrison: is
00:06:47.390 --> 00:06:50.579 Frank R Harrison: well, I'm not playing with the phone again. Dissociative
00:06:50.710 --> 00:07:17.329 Frank R Harrison: identity disorder awareness day I was about to show the article that I received, but I just wanted to be able to be organic during the show. So that being said, we're gonna work with Logan again. And I believe you have a lot of followers listening to the show. So we are gonna be welcoming questions and answers from them throughout the show. We want pretty much to have an overview of what we discussed on the previous show.
00:07:17.330 --> 00:07:33.689 Frank R Harrison: plus, as I said earlier, Logan, find out how things have changed since it aired, and also finally meet Marissa live because we didn't have a chance to do that when we were able to cross correspond with each other through technology, but by having it live and organic.
00:07:33.690 --> 00:07:55.090 Frank R Harrison: This could be the setting of discussing other serious mental health issues along the rest of the calendar year that we're here with Frank about health. But I really just like the kind of advocacy that did brings to the platform, and being that I have been fighting for epilepsy advocacy for the past 2 and a half years.
00:07:55.090 --> 00:08:13.979 Frank R Harrison: working with this whole notion of did, and understanding the clinical as well as the social impacts that the condition has is going to be a benefit to everyone who's watching the show as well as to people in the medical profession so hopefully. When we meet with Marisa later on we'll have a chance to learn more on that side.
00:08:14.030 --> 00:08:42.760 Frank R Harrison: But I guess that brings me to Marissa. I was going to go and talk about her brief background again. I've only met her today for the first time, so I do know she's published in psychology today magazine, and she has her own website, which during the commercial break, I will highlight for you. But I want Marissa. If you could. You know, when you're on mute, you could just introduce yourself and talk about your clinical background, and I know that people who saw the first episode already got a sense of that. But
00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:49.680 Frank R Harrison: again, you were commenting primarily on Logan. So share us your whole entire expertise and background.
00:08:50.630 --> 00:08:52.230 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Okay, well, I'll try to.
00:08:52.250 --> 00:08:59.040 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Yeah. So I've been see, I started in the field about
00:08:59.090 --> 00:09:00.479 Marissa Harris-She/Her: 26 years ago
00:09:00.620 --> 00:09:11.539 Marissa Harris-She/Her: this year. And so I've started in the field of developmental disabilities, and then just kind of transitioned in mental health after that.
00:09:11.680 --> 00:09:17.649 Marissa Harris-She/Her: and worked in forensic psychology for a long period of time and
00:09:17.740 --> 00:09:30.979 Marissa Harris-She/Her: and then transist transition still in the mental health field, but then also substance abuse. and then worked with the department of veteran affairs.
00:09:31.130 --> 00:09:44.799 Marissa Harris-She/Her: and then, after that, I transitioned kind of around covid time into my own practice. But I think, what sort of got me interested in specifically associate identity. Disorder is
00:09:45.070 --> 00:09:52.609 Marissa Harris-She/Her: the individuals that I have worked with, and just really understanding. That there was more to dissociation than what
00:09:52.860 --> 00:09:57.479 Marissa Harris-She/Her: maybe we might traditionally think, which is sort of spacing off and
00:09:57.540 --> 00:10:07.940 Marissa Harris-She/Her: kind of not really connected in the moment, and realizing that there was a lot more of a vast world within that. So I think all of this experience that I've had
00:10:08.070 --> 00:10:18.239 Marissa Harris-She/Her: really led me to highlight down. That a lot of the individuals that I've worked with especially like in the forensic field
00:10:18.260 --> 00:10:25.740 Marissa Harris-She/Her: majority, if not 100% of them had all had trauma. And so there was this connection between
00:10:25.770 --> 00:10:36.009 Marissa Harris-She/Her: trauma and then substance abuse and what is it about substance use in particular? And then I learned later on that that is actually sort of like
00:10:36.150 --> 00:10:44.129 Marissa Harris-She/Her: essentially a side effect of trauma, like how our bodies disconnect from the things that we don't want to remember.
00:10:44.160 --> 00:11:02.350 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So I just really wanted to know the why, the deep understanding of why. And I think that's why this experience and learning from so many people. and or individuals I worked with, helped me understand the why from their stories. So that's what sort of led me into this deeper path of
00:11:02.490 --> 00:11:07.139 Marissa Harris-She/Her: really focusing on, how does dissociation look
00:11:07.390 --> 00:11:11.149 Marissa Harris-She/Her: from the lens of trauma, and then really exploring that deeper.
00:11:11.620 --> 00:11:13.460 Frank R Harrison: awesome, awesome
00:11:13.580 --> 00:11:17.919 Frank R Harrison: Logan you mentioned earlier, I mean, even on the show that we did earlier.
00:11:17.990 --> 00:11:29.979 Frank R Harrison: It was literally lots of traumas that created your various altars, but, as you indicated, a new one has evolved over the last 30, 60 days.
00:11:30.010 --> 00:11:40.440 Frank R Harrison: W. Would you say it was trauma based, as Marisa indicated the potential link to it to did? Or was it some other basis cause? I think you're still learning
00:11:40.450 --> 00:11:47.089 Frank R Harrison: who this new alter is correct. Yeah, we're still learning things about the new altar.
00:11:47.890 --> 00:11:52.500 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: he hasn't really picked a name for himself beyond just
00:11:52.880 --> 00:11:57.190 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: a play on the number alter. He is in the system.
00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:00.600 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: but
00:12:01.230 --> 00:12:05.659 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I can't really say for sure if it was trauma or not.
00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:09.559 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: because it could have been something that happened
00:12:10.610 --> 00:12:14.039 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: 10 or 20 years ago. That's only just now
00:12:14.810 --> 00:12:22.049 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: bearing fruit and coming to life because it's been hidden away until I was in a position where I was able to receive it.
00:12:22.570 --> 00:12:27.749 Frank R Harrison: Right? Interesting? No, I mean I guess
00:12:27.770 --> 00:12:57.360 Frank R Harrison: what II I'm looking forward to the next 2 segments of this show, because if you've noticed in the chat box we're about to go to our first break. But, Marissa, your comments on trauma and Logan, your comments on this new altar, and and the time of which it has evolved which is still questionable is gonna be the crux of our second segment. I know that we're gonna go into a commercial break. And when we return I want everyone, including your twitch followers out there, Logan.
00:12:57.460 --> 00:13:16.430 Frank R Harrison: to ask questions as we learn about this both you are gonna put me and Karen in a did course right now. And you know how excited I am about this topic, as I'm sure you are, Marissa. The why, I mean not only the why, but the unique quality that Logan has presented himself with
00:13:16.430 --> 00:13:29.590 Frank R Harrison: being able. And I've used the term loosely integrate. But I know that clinically, that is much more of a loaded word which I gather you'll also discuss further when returned. How Logan fits in that
00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:37.300 Frank R Harrison: condition of integration, especially if he's still creating other altars in his system. So, ladies and gentlemen.
00:13:37.560 --> 00:13:51.070 Frank R Harrison: did you know he had a dissociative identity disorder. Yes, that's the name of this episode. It's the follow up from our January show, which had over one 150 Youtube viewers. I want to thank all of you out there for that.
00:13:51.080 --> 00:14:02.710 Frank R Harrison: and when we return we will be here to have a Q. And a. With Marissa and Logan about did its relationship to trauma, and the whole notion of where integration plays in.
00:14:02.930 --> 00:14:17.560 Frank R Harrison: So Karen get ready to rock and roll as we celebrate dissociative identity disorder day right here on Frank about health, both on Talkradio, Nyc, on twitch, Youtube, Linkedin and Facebook. We'll be back in a few.
00:16:30.140 --> 00:16:35.000 Frank R Harrison: hey, everybody, and welcome back. This is segment. 2 of did.
00:16:35.060 --> 00:17:02.879 Frank R Harrison: Did you know that Logan had it? Logan Petal is a unique member of the talk radio dot Nyc family? He is traditionally the engineer of this show, and because of the impact that the show brought back in January we had the need for a follow up. So all 4 of us could be in the room. Live and ready for all of your questions and answers, and I'm sure, Karen, you mentioned. We have our own questions from the previous show that we yet haven't touched upon. So
00:17:02.880 --> 00:17:20.069 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: how would how do you think we should proceed? Would you like to start asking those questions, or do we want Marissa and Logan to start the conversation, and then we go from there? Well, I do have a question. Because at the end of the Last Segment. The the word was brought up
00:17:20.380 --> 00:17:21.800 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: more than once.
00:17:21.829 --> 00:17:28.700 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: so I guess my question would be, is that always a factor in someone developing the Id.
00:17:28.710 --> 00:17:37.079 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: and if not, if there are cases where trauma is not a factor, what then might be the cause?
00:17:41.350 --> 00:17:42.279 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Alright, that's it.
00:17:42.380 --> 00:17:57.059 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Take it from here. Yes, I guess In my experience of learning, dissociative identity, disorder, and just even in like trainings, to work on helping somebody
00:17:57.250 --> 00:18:06.789 Marissa Harris-She/Her: manage or recover the emotions related to that. Typically the understanding is is that there is always usually some type of trauma
00:18:06.930 --> 00:18:12.290 Marissa Harris-She/Her: itself that occurs oftentimes it's
00:18:12.320 --> 00:18:14.170 Marissa Harris-She/Her: usually about
00:18:14.360 --> 00:18:19.560 Marissa Harris-She/Her: the parent either, or the caregiver a caregiver.
00:18:19.600 --> 00:18:25.249 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Not being able to provide a specific type of
00:18:25.470 --> 00:18:33.220 Marissa Harris-She/Her: level of care to that to that child in some way, not knowing how to soothe themselves.
00:18:33.300 --> 00:18:37.630 Marissa Harris-She/Her: And when traumatic things happen, usually the body
00:18:37.810 --> 00:18:43.950 Marissa Harris-She/Her: children in the beginning are typically sort of separated essentially
00:18:44.040 --> 00:18:54.389 Marissa Harris-She/Her: and so then a traumatic thing occurs, and then then the body starts to develop what they call
00:18:54.540 --> 00:18:55.840 Marissa Harris-She/Her: fault lines
00:18:55.850 --> 00:19:00.940 Marissa Harris-She/Her: similar to like let's say fault lines with the earth.
00:19:01.060 --> 00:19:03.609 Marissa Harris-She/Her: If there's a crack in the earth's crust.
00:19:03.760 --> 00:19:13.480 Marissa Harris-She/Her: then an earthquake occurs. That's sort of the same thing in the body. If the body is experiencing a traumatic event.
00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:19.020 Marissa Harris-She/Her: then we have a tendency to learn how to compartmentalize that trauma.
00:19:19.260 --> 00:19:29.119 Marissa Harris-She/Her: and it helps us sort of take that trauma and place it somewhere else. so as to not have to deal with the full impact of what that feels like.
00:19:29.320 --> 00:19:40.359 Marissa Harris-She/Her: And so and these fault lines essentially represent in the mine vulnerabilities or things that we have not yet been able to manage in some sort of way.
00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:48.059 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So then, oftentimes the body creates that what they call the structural dissociation. The body takes it
00:19:48.190 --> 00:19:58.730 Marissa Harris-She/Her: sort of a way. It helps us kind of compartmentalize our identity or and in that sense it also creates a lack of integration. Because
00:19:58.870 --> 00:20:14.079 Marissa Harris-She/Her: what Pierre Janet will say, you have not completed the active triumph the child in that particular sense like it has not been formulated that experience. So it comes, and it gets sort of frozen in time, in a sense.
00:20:14.210 --> 00:20:19.919 Marissa Harris-She/Her: and then oftentimes those alters or parts of ourself
00:20:19.970 --> 00:20:26.020 Marissa Harris-She/Her: are created in order to deal with what is experienced during that time.
00:20:26.110 --> 00:20:32.230 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So it helps us manage that hopefully. That kind of helps a little bit of it. There's so much more to it. But
00:20:33.220 --> 00:20:34.740 Frank R Harrison: right right?
00:20:35.610 --> 00:20:37.229 Well. So, Logan.
00:20:39.230 --> 00:20:41.930 Frank R Harrison: when you hear Marissa describe that way.
00:20:41.970 --> 00:20:49.740 Frank R Harrison: it kind of goes in line with some of the information you shared on the first episode, especially the traumatic event that happened in your classroom.
00:20:49.830 --> 00:20:50.940 So
00:20:51.140 --> 00:21:08.930 Frank R Harrison: would you say that's in line with how the 17 of you were formed? Was it consistently traumatic, or was it just that a part of you in your development years, and also disassociating from your family created, alters just for another purpose, besides a traumatic issue.
00:21:09.080 --> 00:21:11.330 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I would say that the vast.
00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:18.860 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I would say that the vast number of my alters are based in different
00:21:18.910 --> 00:21:26.619 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: instances of trauma, like they could have been trump traumatic romantic relationships, or traumatic family situations.
00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:29.050 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: things of that nature. But
00:21:29.150 --> 00:21:32.170 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I do want to bring up again that
00:21:32.830 --> 00:21:37.399 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: trauma genic systems are only one part of
00:21:37.900 --> 00:21:43.250 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: the dissociative community. There are also endogenic systems which
00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:48.500 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: intentionally allow themselves to become split.
00:21:48.990 --> 00:21:53.959 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: to achieve like a spirituality of sorts.
00:21:54.890 --> 00:22:06.960 Frank R Harrison: Right? I remember you mentioned that a lot of prototype developed in the mind. Yeah, not every system is trauma genic, and not every system is necessarily based in trauma. But
00:22:07.330 --> 00:22:12.440 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: many endogenic systems will create alters for themselves
00:22:12.470 --> 00:22:19.239 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: because they're dealing with something stressful, and they don't want to have to be the one to deal with it alone.
00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:20.890 Frank R Harrison: Hmm.
00:22:21.210 --> 00:22:23.789 Frank R Harrison: yeah, I think you called it a telpa right
00:22:25.750 --> 00:22:26.800 Frank R Harrison: interesting.
00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:34.969 Frank R Harrison: Well, so I think some of the other questions we wanted to touch upon included. Were there any
00:22:34.980 --> 00:22:38.170 Frank R Harrison: medications or treatment methods that could help
00:22:38.320 --> 00:22:45.110 Frank R Harrison: either deal with it, resolve it or support it. Or II think, Marissa, you would probably best know that.
00:22:45.770 --> 00:23:07.540 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of different factors that go into it, and I just wanted to touch a little bit about what Logist said, too, is sort of when we think about structural dissociation, there's the left part or the part of the mind. That kind of goes that keeps keeping on, that does everyday activities that is able to sort of like
00:23:07.750 --> 00:23:16.859 Marissa Harris-She/Her: vacillated between internal external world. Things like that. It also the that part of our body and our mind, our brain.
00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:34.340 Marissa Harris-She/Her: help us avoid the right part of the brain, which is the emotional, implicit memory, procedural learning part of the mind, because that part of the right part of the brain doesn't necessarily always have words.
00:23:34.470 --> 00:23:37.659 Marissa Harris-She/Her: It might have a feeling associated with that. So
00:23:38.170 --> 00:23:44.709 Marissa Harris-She/Her: what we do in terms of like the treatment, let's say around it,
00:23:44.780 --> 00:23:47.790 Marissa Harris-She/Her: helping normalize the fact that
00:23:48.370 --> 00:23:55.630 Marissa Harris-She/Her: dissociative identity disorder is really just a response to trauma. It is just how our bodies.
00:23:55.720 --> 00:24:12.450 Marissa Harris-She/Her: every single person's bodies dissociate. So sometimes, really, traumatic things, are just too much for us to keep in our conscious awareness of now. So the mind just sort of says we're going to place it into separate identities of self self states.
00:24:12.470 --> 00:24:17.950 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So helping, there's a lot of psycho education around the neurobiology of the brain.
00:24:18.050 --> 00:24:27.480 Marissa Harris-She/Her: how the brain works and what happens in the right part of the brain creates action systems. So what people are familiar with like the fight?
00:24:27.620 --> 00:24:48.400 Marissa Harris-She/Her: You know the fight, part the flight part, the freeze, submit, and attach, cry. These are the different types of action systems that every human and mammal has cats, dogs, so like we do is we help. I, we do sort of a psycho education around normalizing.
00:24:48.530 --> 00:25:02.399 Marissa Harris-She/Her: What does that look like? How does each part look understand? In the emotional experience of each one of those parts. And then, when we do that, we start to help understand what movements go with those parts.
00:25:02.550 --> 00:25:19.150 Marissa Harris-She/Her: what oceans, what preferences, what predictions? How did that particular part of our self see the world? How were we observed in the world? There's a belief system. There's a lot of information around it.
00:25:19.170 --> 00:25:24.709 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So we do a lot of psycho education around that. And that's part of the structural dissociation part of it
00:25:24.820 --> 00:25:33.020 Marissa Harris-She/Her: and helping kind of like what we? I think, Karen, I kind of talked about, or what you guys were talking about, too, is what integration looks like.
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:44.299 Marissa Harris-She/Her: And integration is sort of helping people see who is the self now, and what part of that self of the memory is coming back. That
00:25:44.350 --> 00:25:49.790 Marissa Harris-She/Her: was maybe trauma genic in some sort of way. and that particular part of us
00:25:49.830 --> 00:26:00.119 Marissa Harris-She/Her: might come with even diagnoses, you know, that might be associated with that time in our life, almost thinking about thinking about it almost like
00:26:00.270 --> 00:26:05.120 Marissa Harris-She/Her: frozen time in history. And these bodies
00:26:05.190 --> 00:26:15.179 Marissa Harris-She/Her: do these action systems. And there's a whole lot of things around it. But structural dissociation is one part of it somatic. What I do is sensory motorcycle therapy.
00:26:15.250 --> 00:26:18.209 Marissa Harris-She/Her: and how trauma lives in the body.
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:27.559 Marissa Harris-She/Her: And because most of the trauma that we experience is nonverbal. So it lives in our body. And often when we start to connect that
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:33.350 Marissa Harris-She/Her: it helps people understand that sometimes we have to start with the part of getting to know them.
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.500 Marissa Harris-She/Her: because these parts of ourself don't want anybody else in.
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:46.530 Marissa Harris-She/Her: because there's so much protection around it, so I can go on and on about it, but there's a lot of information around it that we start with.
00:26:46.690 --> 00:26:54.599 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: I see Logan nodding his head profusely. So I'd love to get his input on what Marissa has shared.
00:26:54.950 --> 00:27:12.370 Frank R Harrison: Oh, yeah, that I mean, that's based on Logan. You're already in in treatment of sorts. I gather that's for your did, in addition to whatever symptoms you're going through. Would you say that, based on your nodding of your head, or even your treatment, that Marissa has echoed the kind of treatment protocol you're going through.
00:27:12.980 --> 00:27:17.250 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Yeah. So a big thing about did is that
00:27:17.330 --> 00:27:20.529 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: there's no cure, and there's no like
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:23.469 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: end. All be all solution for treatment.
00:27:23.890 --> 00:27:37.100 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: because again, every system functions differently. So you have to work with the system to find a treatment plan that works to help them with their individual
00:27:37.690 --> 00:27:39.429 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: needs as
00:27:40.390 --> 00:27:45.470 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: not only just a physical person, but also
00:27:45.770 --> 00:27:49.139 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: as they are separated in the brain.
00:27:49.260 --> 00:27:51.029 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: For example,
00:27:52.190 --> 00:27:54.419 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: my doctor, who is
00:27:55.970 --> 00:28:02.250 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: a phenomenal phenomenal individual, basically said to me, when we started practice like, Hey.
00:28:03.260 --> 00:28:07.780 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I want you to design your own path.
00:28:08.020 --> 00:28:17.349 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: What do you want to focus on first. and I told him about this, and that I didn't want to necessarily make it go away.
00:28:17.390 --> 00:28:22.190 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: But I wanted these symptoms that are caused in conjunction with it, like
00:28:22.300 --> 00:28:28.539 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: increased anxiety, depression, all that kind of stuff. Because if you have multiple
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:36.320 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: facets of your brain that are suffering from anxiety. it is just amplified anxiety.
00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:38.020 Frank R Harrison: Yes.
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:43.820 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: so we can't treat the condition, but we can treat the symptoms
00:28:44.660 --> 00:28:57.270 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: so. I'm on an anxiety medication that is there for treating the anxiety that is amplified as a result of being a system with multiple, anxious goblins in a trench code.
00:28:59.630 --> 00:29:14.729 Frank R Harrison: Well, you know what we're headed for a second break. I wanna go more into that. In addition. Hopefully, your twitch audience out there is ready to shoot all the questions they have for us. Or we'll just continue to ask our own questions as they evolve from this
00:29:14.790 --> 00:29:30.299 Frank R Harrison: very interesting conversation. Marissa. II already can say that I think we need to have even another show where you talk about some of the other mental health treatments. Because you definitely, I guess you're in the social work side of things correct.
00:29:30.330 --> 00:29:34.499 Frank R Harrison: Okay? So you would look at things like Ptsd as well as other
00:29:34.650 --> 00:29:44.920 Frank R Harrison: mind dysfunctions. Let's just call them a did. Obviously seems to be a preferred mode that you typically deal with at this time. Right?
00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:51.269 Marissa Harris-She/Her: I most. It's sort of like on. Like, as Logan said, it's a strip, a spectrum like,
00:29:51.450 --> 00:29:54.669 Marissa Harris-She/Her: yeah. And so there's a lot to go into with that.
00:29:55.040 --> 00:30:07.379 Frank R Harrison: So, ladies and gentlemen, please stay tuned for this episode of frank about health on talk radio dot Nyc, as well as all of our socials, especially you twitch users out there. We'll be looking forward to your questions when we return. In a few.
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00:32:09.780 --> 00:32:18.319 Frank R Harrison: hey? Everybody, and welcome back. Now we were just talking about the symptomology that Logan is going for his treatment, and I guess in most mental health
00:32:18.320 --> 00:32:43.269 Frank R Harrison: conditions, I mean, I have epilepsy, but I have my associated depression and anxieties and other things, and I take medication not just to control the seizures, but sometimes they also help with my mood, and of course there are comorbidities that come with epilepsy in particular, especially because I consider it a lifestyle condition. But when you have a situation such as Logan, where you are actually experiencing the symptoms, some of which might be
00:32:43.270 --> 00:32:50.209 Frank R Harrison: by the alternative personalities. It begs a lot of questions which I continue to come up with one of which.
00:32:50.210 --> 00:33:06.450 Frank R Harrison: based on what you said, Logan, would you say that the depression or anxiety is part of one of your altars that came from either the right or left side of the brain. Is it that specific, or is it just an encompassing summary of all of them?
00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:10.670 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: That is a very loaded question.
00:33:10.750 --> 00:33:18.070 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I know that's why I wanted to ask it in the right way that it fits you so. The depression and anxiety
00:33:19.500 --> 00:33:21.140 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: the thing about.
00:33:21.770 --> 00:33:28.690 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: sorry. I'm trying to figure out the best way to work so that it makes sense to more people than just me.
00:33:29.150 --> 00:33:30.360 Frank R Harrison: Sure.
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.760 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: The thing about did as a whole. Is that?
00:33:34.520 --> 00:33:37.580 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Imagine you have a cake. and
00:33:37.750 --> 00:33:46.920 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: you cut a piece out of that cake and you set it aside. The cake represents the brain as a whole, and the piece you just cut out
00:33:46.930 --> 00:33:50.209 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: is an altar that formed from the original piece.
00:33:51.330 --> 00:33:58.420 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Right now imagine you take that piece of cake, and you share it with somebody else, splitting that piece of cake again.
00:33:58.840 --> 00:34:06.199 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: That alter has just split into 2 different altars that could have both inherited a profile from the original.
00:34:07.560 --> 00:34:14.330 Frank R Harrison: but then you go back to the original cake, and you cut off another piece, and then you split that piece 3 ways.
00:34:16.900 --> 00:34:24.840 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: so each alter comes from another part of the brain, not necessarily from the main proponent.
00:34:24.889 --> 00:34:26.400 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: but from
00:34:26.980 --> 00:34:30.479 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: anything that came from the brain as a whole.
00:34:31.650 --> 00:34:33.590 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: So if one alter
00:34:35.010 --> 00:34:43.340 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: like, say, the first piece of cake you cut off had depression. I feel bad for that cake, but
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:45.580 Frank R Harrison: right
00:34:47.050 --> 00:34:53.859 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: If that first piece of cake had depression. It's possible that one or both of the proponent pieces
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:59.259 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: would have also inherited that depression when it split into 2 different beings.
00:35:00.090 --> 00:35:01.040 Frank R Harrison: Incredible.
00:35:02.600 --> 00:35:03.910 Frank R Harrison: very interesting.
00:35:03.980 --> 00:35:16.210 Frank R Harrison: So that would mean that the other piece of cake that was split off may not even have depression at all exactly, or just be aware that some someone else within the system is depressed.
00:35:16.370 --> 00:35:17.070 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Right?
00:35:17.620 --> 00:35:25.220 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: I was talking to a medical doctor the other day. and I told him about our our show today.
00:35:25.330 --> 00:35:32.419 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: and he said that he was aware. I don't think he necessarily had this experience, but
00:35:32.490 --> 00:35:44.899 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: he said that he knew that doctors have had people with this condition, but one of them say you're talking about depression and anxiety, but one might have diabetes
00:35:45.650 --> 00:35:50.460 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: and the other one doesn't. So who do they treat? How do they treat
00:35:51.750 --> 00:36:01.429 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: so when it comes to physical elements with alters? That is a very different conversation, because.
00:36:02.060 --> 00:36:02.890 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: like.
00:36:03.020 --> 00:36:07.609 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: it's your brain playing tricks on the rest of your body.
00:36:07.720 --> 00:36:14.710 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: causing different chemical reactions like a lot of what goes on with the body.
00:36:15.140 --> 00:36:19.360 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Is the brain having different reactions to different things
00:36:19.600 --> 00:36:23.959 Frank R Harrison: like depression. Is the brain reacting to a lack of dopamine.
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:26.610 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I think is the right.
00:36:27.050 --> 00:36:28.500 Frank R Harrison: Yes.
00:36:29.200 --> 00:36:30.320 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: so like
00:36:30.730 --> 00:36:37.300 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: the brain might have different interactions with different alters based on that alters chemical format.
00:36:38.020 --> 00:36:39.190 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: For example.
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.740 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: 3 of my alters, Dodeca, Quin and Core
00:36:46.460 --> 00:36:52.600 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Dodeca is an ageless being that can't feel pain.
00:36:54.450 --> 00:36:55.530 Frank R Harrison: Wow!
00:36:56.100 --> 00:37:05.129 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: So Decca is like hypersensitive to touch around the rest of the body. But pain can't be felt at all.
00:37:07.290 --> 00:37:22.410 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Quinn is mute. and therefore, when Quinn is fronting. For whatever reason, even though the rest of us can very clearly talk. Quinn can't get the brain to send messages to the vocal cords to bring out the voice.
00:37:25.070 --> 00:37:28.850 Frank R Harrison: Wow! And then there's Core, who is a robot
00:37:29.650 --> 00:37:43.039 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: and is basically like my, my internal check engine light keeps track of diagnostics of everyone else. and is hyper aware of every single piece of like.
00:37:43.110 --> 00:37:54.069 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: even the mildest pain that touches the system like if I crack my pinky toe while I'm walking core is immediately like
00:37:56.090 --> 00:37:58.790 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: symptom detected locating source
00:38:00.630 --> 00:38:01.610 Frank R Harrison: credible.
00:38:02.120 --> 00:38:03.060 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: So
00:38:04.250 --> 00:38:08.249 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: treating alters in a system when
00:38:08.890 --> 00:38:14.920 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: all of that can change on a dime. you would have to have, like
00:38:14.980 --> 00:38:17.810 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: a personalized care plan
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:24.320 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: for you and the others in your system for them to do what they need to do when they're fronting.
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:25.650 Frank R Harrison: Yes.
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.749 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: How have you handled that marissa?
00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:43.079 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Yeah. My first thought, usually with what in the training related to is to immediately understand the autonomic nervous system. and to do that is to really understand that.
00:38:43.710 --> 00:38:55.170 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Let's think of, for example, what particular things trigger each part first, getting a mapping of who is in the system.
00:38:55.240 --> 00:39:08.389 Marissa Harris-She/Her: And we may not know why, but just who and what to each one of those particular parts. How do they protect the body? Cause what might feel like a
00:39:08.550 --> 00:39:18.610 Marissa Harris-She/Her: what other people might feel is negative or risky. Type. Behaviors is a way of helping the body like substance use as a perfect example.
00:39:18.660 --> 00:39:36.919 Marissa Harris-She/Her: In one way it help the flight response is the part that takes care of that. It says, I'm going to take this particular part of us away, so we don't have to feel we could be distant in some sort of way, and it doesn't always have to be substance use. It could also be
00:39:36.950 --> 00:39:44.900 Marissa Harris-She/Her: maybe we don't want to go into a particular area that's really traumatic. So the body distances us in some sort of way.
00:39:44.970 --> 00:39:53.419 Marissa Harris-She/Her: But then there's also this piece around. Let's say substance use is the biggest sort of thing around it. Sometimes. Is that
00:39:53.560 --> 00:39:57.389 Marissa Harris-She/Her: it might have been the most reliable relationship in your life.
00:39:57.450 --> 00:40:06.019 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So it becomes that sort of part of us where we start to think about how attachment cry comes in, which is the part of us that reaches out for help.
00:40:06.110 --> 00:40:11.199 Marissa Harris-She/Her: But that part also has different versions of what love looks like.
00:40:11.210 --> 00:40:24.620 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So love might look abusive, so people might want to be engaging in the same relationships, but can't really see the type of behavior that's being exhibited.
00:40:24.730 --> 00:40:39.610 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Because attachment cry is essentially a child trying to reach out for any type of affection, there's so much more to it. But. like the sufficient response is also where depression might lie, too.
00:40:39.700 --> 00:40:48.909 Marissa Harris-She/Her: But all of these particular stress responses even fight flight, freeze, which is where anxiety lives, where panic lives.
00:40:48.930 --> 00:40:59.989 Marissa Harris-She/Her: where fear lives and oftentimes that freeze response will create what they call like a speechless terror. The body can't speak.
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:11.279 Marissa Harris-She/Her: they can't so a part might say. I feel the terror of whatever that experience was. So I'm not going to speak, and I can't like I physically cannot.
00:41:11.300 --> 00:41:16.530 Marissa Harris-She/Her: And so we help understand sort of all of these action systems.
00:41:16.600 --> 00:41:23.749 Marissa Harris-She/Her: because certain words will bring up an action system. And that's how parts step in and part. Step out.
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:39.139 Marissa Harris-She/Her: I somebody will say something, and it will remind the body not necessarily of a visual image, but it might be a body image. So the body experiences like a feeling flashback in the body.
00:41:39.150 --> 00:41:50.699 Marissa Harris-She/Her: It isn't always just an image flashback. So a certain type of word or an impression, or like the fight responses a part that really monitors people.
00:41:50.760 --> 00:42:00.259 Marissa Harris-She/Her: How did they say it? What was their tone? What word did they use? How did they use that word? Because that particular stress response? Never once
00:42:00.340 --> 00:42:04.660 Marissa Harris-She/Her: these vulnerable parts of our self to ever be shown and be heard again.
00:42:04.670 --> 00:42:16.380 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So their protector responses. So we tart start to help. Okay, here they all are which responses are protectors, and which response, or which responses hold vulnerable emotions.
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.769 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So understanding these action systems is.
00:42:19.780 --> 00:42:35.060 Marissa Harris-She/Her: even if you have not, don't have any Ptsd or on the line of stress conditions which is usually Ptsd maybe Borderline sort of that other specified associate disorder and then dissociate identity disorder. And they're all like a
00:42:35.120 --> 00:42:45.730 Marissa Harris-She/Her: primary, secondary, and treachery sort of line of things. But what we're doing is sort of helping really understand what had to happen.
00:42:45.860 --> 00:42:50.110 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So the body is using these action systems to prevent
00:42:50.290 --> 00:42:57.610 Marissa Harris-She/Her: that memory or feeling from coming. So a fight, a flight response will be like, I'm going to avoid this topic altogether.
00:42:57.680 --> 00:43:02.090 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So there's a lot of different ways when we start to understand that.
00:43:02.250 --> 00:43:15.930 Marissa Harris-She/Her: even if we don't have trauma in our background which every person has trauma in some facet or another. It helps us understand who we are as human beings. So that's how I really normalize it, even if you don't experience trauma.
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:24.090 Marissa Harris-She/Her: did we miss? Answer, though, about diabetes or other physical elements? Or that was just a comparison from what you were saying.
00:43:25.530 --> 00:43:26.819 Marissa Harris-She/Her: from what I was admitted
00:43:26.940 --> 00:43:37.280 Marissa Harris-She/Her: thinking about how some alters might actually have diabetes, for example, right? Well.
00:43:37.610 --> 00:43:41.170 Marissa Harris-She/Her: right, oftentimes. Well, we have to just treat the whole person
00:43:41.270 --> 00:43:58.150 Marissa Harris-She/Her: whole person. If it is something, as Logan said, that is an everyday in pairing experience, we treat that particular thing, it might not be useful for other parts of the system that have different capacity levels. I think that's what he's talking about. I think Logan, like
00:43:58.200 --> 00:44:04.830 Marissa Harris-She/Her: each part, has a different capacity level than another. So hmm!
00:44:05.190 --> 00:44:29.260 Frank R Harrison: Well, we're about to take our final break. And II have even more questions. I don't think we even want to. But and I know, Karen, you wanted to. W. You were gonna give a a statement about hypnosis and where it plays in with certain did systems. So when we return we'll we'll get into that. We'll clean up house with some remaining questions. Probably get to know a little bit about some of Logan's alters if he
00:44:29.290 --> 00:44:37.650 Frank R Harrison: can introduce us to some. If that's doable. I don't want to create something that that I can't turn back, but asking to say Hello, so
00:44:38.530 --> 00:44:56.029 Frank R Harrison: II well, I guess, ladies and gentlemen, the next segment is gonna be the concluding segment on this dissociative identity disorder day right here on Frank about health, and it will be a little bit of a of a of a sh. I wouldn't want to call it a show, because it's a learning experience. At the same time.
00:44:56.110 --> 00:45:01.780 Frank R Harrison: So please just stay tuned right here on talk radio, Dot and Nyc and all of our socials. We'll be right back.
00:46:07.220 --> 00:46:17.239 I'm Sam Liebuch, your conscious consultant, and on my show, the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity, we will touch upon all these topics and more.
00:47:05.870 --> 00:47:17.350 Frank R Harrison: hey? Everybody! Now? We're about to wrap up the show, but not without first. Karen, giving her comments on hypnosis, and did then Marissa, sharing a little bit about
00:47:17.390 --> 00:47:33.609 Frank R Harrison: her practice, and finally Logan introducing us to some of his altars that would like to say, Hi, so let's start with you, Karen. I'll be very brief on the subject of pathosis, and did. I would not approach it.
00:47:33.700 --> 00:47:40.490 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: I would want to do a lot more study. I'd probably start with a conversation with Marissa.
00:47:40.530 --> 00:48:07.330 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: But I would think it would be very difficult to use hypnosis with someone who had did. But let me just throw it a little bit about my practice, just so that if there is somebody out there who is interested in hypnosis. I work with a number of areas. Chronic pain sleep issues right now. I'm working more and more with sports hypnosis.
00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:24.390 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: People who want their kids to get that scholarship, or they're working for a championship or elite level. And I can help them up there. So there's a whole world of sports hypnosis, and I'm certified in it and love doing that work. So
00:48:24.390 --> 00:48:37.899 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: there are so many areas where hypnosis can be life changing. And I welcome people to use the link that they see at the bottom of my screen, and just have a complimentary call with me. I'd love to do that.
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:43.830 Frank R Harrison: Yes, and you, Marissa, with Telos health, tell us about how the practice
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:46.370 Frank R Harrison: is currently operating.
00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:58.570 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Well, it's just me in the practice. And so I don't have openings, but I obviously do take like consultations or things like that.
00:48:58.720 --> 00:49:06.200 Marissa Harris-She/Her: But I suppose if individuals want to learn more about trauma.
00:49:06.370 --> 00:49:09.390 Marissa Harris-She/Her: I do have some information on my website but
00:49:09.550 --> 00:49:23.669 Marissa Harris-She/Her: one. There are a couple authors, maybe that if I can kind of sort of plug here a little bit that I think would be really good to help understand different systems. Or just how? How does memory work after trauma?
00:49:23.790 --> 00:49:42.089 Marissa Harris-She/Her: How do action systems work? For every single individual. And how does it play out now in our adult lives? Janina Fisher has a lot of work around a healing the fragmented mind. Living the legacy of truth. There's a lot of workbooks.
00:49:42.130 --> 00:49:53.489 Marissa Harris-She/Her: and like card deck systems that have, like everyday sort of things like how to help make sure that you're not going back into that trauma vortex
00:49:53.610 --> 00:50:04.949 Marissa Harris-She/Her: like vessel. Vanderculk has a lot of information about how the body keeps the score. There's also, like Gay or Matt. He has a lot of information about that as well.
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:25.070 Marissa Harris-She/Her: I always try to help people see that when we start to understand the neurobiology of our systems, we start to understand how trauma is always protecting us like our bodies, always protecting us from that trauma, and always also mentioned that our bodies never portray us. Everything we do
00:50:25.120 --> 00:50:32.099 Marissa Harris-She/Her: is in an effort to protect us in some sort of way, even if it doesn't feel healthy.
00:50:32.120 --> 00:50:38.050 Marissa Harris-She/Her: it's it's in some way. So we sort of normalize our experiences in that way
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:50.590 Frank R Harrison: awesome. And I gather, Logan, and again the name, everyone is Logan Petal. I have learned it the first time it was told to me. I'm proud of myself for that. That being, said Logan.
00:50:50.770 --> 00:50:54.129 Frank R Harrison: I know that we've had our moments where I've had a chance to meet
00:50:54.240 --> 00:51:09.609 Frank R Harrison: some of your altars, but only when they are appropriate again. This is a live show, and at the same time I'm trying to treat you and all of your altars with the same individual respect that I would give to 18 different people.
00:51:09.650 --> 00:51:20.700 Frank R Harrison: So that being said, are those, are you able to introduce us to any of those that are willing to come out? But at the same time preserve you for the very purpose of the shelf.
00:51:21.820 --> 00:51:24.950 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I actually have a couple that are
00:51:25.190 --> 00:51:29.430 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: waiting in the wings, as you would say to say, Hello,
00:51:31.820 --> 00:51:46.769 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: we basically have been sitting here debating during this conversation and during the break of who's actually coming out to say Hi, so that we don't have, like 5 or 6 people trying to scramble to get a hand on the wheel, and we just end up turning into brain mud
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:48.770 Frank R Harrison: right? Right?
00:51:50.290 --> 00:51:58.220 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Because that's the thing that can happen. Sometimes the alters in the brain can't differentiate themselves from each other, and they'll just turn into goop
00:51:58.890 --> 00:52:01.730 Frank R Harrison: understood. So who's
00:52:02.020 --> 00:52:05.290 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: we have? First person that you are getting to say hello to velvet?
00:52:06.060 --> 00:52:08.350 Frank R Harrison: Yeah, velvet velvet.
00:52:08.500 --> 00:52:09.520 Frank R Harrison: My critics.
00:52:10.970 --> 00:52:11.920 Frank R Harrison: Okay.
00:52:12.640 --> 00:52:14.999 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: you'll just have to give me 1 s to
00:52:16.870 --> 00:52:18.190 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: check myself out.
00:52:19.290 --> 00:52:20.060 Frank R Harrison: Sure.
00:52:30.350 --> 00:52:31.670 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Okay, I guess we're here.
00:52:33.460 --> 00:52:35.399 Frank R Harrison: Hi! Velvet. Nice to meet you.
00:52:35.510 --> 00:52:37.410 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Nice to meet all of you, too.
00:52:39.250 --> 00:52:40.590 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: This is weird.
00:52:41.090 --> 00:52:50.449 Frank R Harrison: Well, is, is this the first time you've met a bunch of people in in a while? Have you been finding out?
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:52.090 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: No, I
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.720 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: no, I think this is the first like group of people I've met
00:52:57.880 --> 00:52:59.779 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: at the same time, and like.
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:04.130 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I think, the entire time I've been part of the system
00:53:04.870 --> 00:53:08.349 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I used to be under a different name. And then
00:53:08.630 --> 00:53:11.079 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: a big event happened, and
00:53:11.120 --> 00:53:16.169 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: the me that I used to be broke and turned into the me that I am now
00:53:17.410 --> 00:53:24.590 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: like it wasn't becoming separate altars or anything. It was just I kind of broke.
00:53:25.220 --> 00:53:37.589 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: And then Core and Dodeca spent time putting me back together. and they couldn't find all the pieces and the pieces they did find kind of molded it back together into what I am now
00:53:39.200 --> 00:53:40.469 Frank R Harrison: new and improved
00:53:40.570 --> 00:53:41.950 right.
00:53:42.100 --> 00:53:44.959 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: Can you describe yourself for us?
00:53:45.060 --> 00:53:46.720 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Well,
00:53:47.720 --> 00:53:50.640 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: As you can probably tell by the voice I am female.
00:53:51.850 --> 00:53:57.990 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I am younger than some of the other altars in the system at 16
00:53:59.950 --> 00:54:12.340 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I don't really know how to like is, I can describe what I look like in here.
00:54:12.790 --> 00:54:14.450 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I have purple hair.
00:54:15.120 --> 00:54:17.350 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I'm short
00:54:19.540 --> 00:54:27.090 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I like writing stories and letting people enjoy those stories
00:54:27.870 --> 00:54:31.320 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: mostly through like dungeons and dragon style.
00:54:32.110 --> 00:54:34.900 storytelling and interactive storytelling.
00:54:35.410 --> 00:54:39.640 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: and
00:54:39.980 --> 00:54:42.199 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I like spicy snacks and code red.
00:54:43.310 --> 00:54:53.209 Frank R Harrison: Very nice. So how would ha, ha! Do? Is Logan like your hero, or he's your he's your one of your best friends. Well,
00:54:53.570 --> 00:55:00.140 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Logan is just the name of the body overall. There's not an altar in the system actually named Logan.
00:55:01.070 --> 00:55:07.709 Frank R Harrison: I understand there used to be. But then he went through like a whole like self improvement regimen, and
00:55:07.740 --> 00:55:15.049 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: changed himself, and eventually became Jason. Who is the altar that is actually the host of the system.
00:55:15.100 --> 00:55:16.680 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Basically.
00:55:17.150 --> 00:55:19.210 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: the guy that's in charge of everything
00:55:20.310 --> 00:55:27.780 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I see. Like systems have different roles. There's hosts. There's co-hosts. There's protectors.
00:55:32.250 --> 00:55:33.260 Frank R Harrison: Wow!
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:39.010 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: I'm one of the 2 Co. Hosts along with the one named Omega.
00:55:39.260 --> 00:55:41.979 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: the one that normally does all the work for the station
00:55:43.060 --> 00:55:44.430 Frank R Harrison: interesting.
00:55:44.710 --> 00:55:59.999 Frank R Harrison: And and now I'm getting the indication that we're about to sign off. And I really wanted to get to know Omega or any of the others. I guess maybe we could save that for a later time. But do you think that
00:56:00.490 --> 00:56:06.390 Frank R Harrison: Omega can come back out so we can close the show. I it was nice meeting you, and
00:56:06.620 --> 00:56:11.200 Frank R Harrison: okay, and we, we wanna talk with you again some other time in the near future.
00:56:13.240 --> 00:56:16.020 Logan Pethtel | Engineer @ TalkRadioNYC: Oh, it's fast. Hi, I'm back.
00:56:16.820 --> 00:56:21.270 Frank R Harrison: Okay. So I know you're Logan. But
00:56:22.010 --> 00:56:25.109 Frank R Harrison: I know you was Logan. But you're really Omega. Yep.
00:56:26.650 --> 00:56:27.880 Frank R Harrison: amazing.
00:56:28.140 --> 00:56:38.810 Frank R Harrison: Omega. My God, II gotta say I think I once told you that you were. You were told by some people that had watched the show that you were actually a hero to them.
00:56:38.910 --> 00:56:45.850 Frank R Harrison: And I want to say that just meeting Velvet right now. I think that you are a hero to her.
00:56:46.170 --> 00:56:49.530 Frank R Harrison: because she she was explaining your whole
00:56:49.670 --> 00:57:00.050 Frank R Harrison: development, even though she's only 16. So I you have a I mean, what would you say, Marissa, is that a form of integration of sorts or management.
00:57:00.100 --> 00:57:15.200 Marissa Harris-She/Her: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't treat Logan tradition. But like II would say that we would just sort of look at it, I would, I suppose, see some sort of Co consciousness of like awareness of different
00:57:15.290 --> 00:57:20.419 Marissa Harris-She/Her: parts in a system, and really just understand that even
00:57:20.550 --> 00:57:37.060 Marissa Harris-She/Her: different parts have different developmental states. So it's it's a lot to think about. But like a lot of those particular parts might have their own history there, that may not, only they may not like what? When Logan was mentioning earlier.
00:57:37.140 --> 00:57:55.760 Marissa Harris-She/Her: that parts that might split off like, maybe there's too much material that that particular part is holding, so it I. Another part, might split off from that, so as to not have that one particular part be overwhelmed with a particular memory or feeling or
00:57:55.820 --> 00:58:07.799 Marissa Harris-She/Her: action urge in the system. And so we start to understand, like the different movements, developmental movements that might not have been
00:58:07.830 --> 00:58:12.380 Marissa Harris-She/Her: not, might not have been able to happen, or have been truncated in some way.
00:58:12.430 --> 00:58:17.140 Marissa Harris-She/Her: So those are all different things that we would look at or that I look at in general.
00:58:18.610 --> 00:58:32.210 Frank R Harrison: Incredible. I I'm having the feeling that this is definitely gonna be another follow up after a while from now. But I gotta say that the whole nature of dissociative identity disorder.
00:58:32.260 --> 00:58:37.780 Frank R Harrison: I wouldn't even qualify it as a mental health issue, even though obviously it has symptomology of it.
00:58:37.830 --> 00:58:50.910 Frank R Harrison: It is definitely a lifestyle issue or a a way of individuals existing on in this world. With with all of us, you know, whatever our impairments may or may not be.
00:58:51.020 --> 00:59:02.629 Frank R Harrison: That all being said, I'm actually having to sign off on the show. And yet I don't really want to, because I'm enjoying this conversation with all 3 of you. So let's put it this way.
00:59:02.710 --> 00:59:05.140 Frank R Harrison: I had shown in the last commercial break
00:59:05.330 --> 00:59:24.879 Frank R Harrison: where the original episode that aired in January is now sitting on my website, Frank R. harrison.com for any of you listeners and viewers out there who saw the show tonight and don't know what show we were talking about. Please feel free to access it. Also on the Youtube page that talkradio Dot, Nyc. Has. The show is archived right there.
00:59:24.970 --> 00:59:30.320 Frank R Harrison: and it definitely makes you leave the show wanting more.
00:59:30.410 --> 01:00:00.100 Frank R Harrison: and that, all being said, I will be taking a hiatus for the next 3 weeks in preparation for the next month's show, with Karen in Chicago, where I would like her to tell what month we are celebrating, and who our guest is going to be. But, more importantly, the purpose of the hiatus is to be prepared to have more high caliber programming on Frank about health that looks at cases like logans, but also looks at other cases. I've been approached
01:00:00.100 --> 01:00:18.130 Frank R Harrison: to look at Down's syndrome as well as looking at other kinds of issues that are affecting our society today. Not just the average everyday illness that I've spent the last 2 and a half years talking about, in addition to people's books and editions of people's podcasts and practices, which I will continue to do.
01:00:18.130 --> 01:00:38.370 Frank R Harrison: But I'm looking to provide insight into those movers and Shakers out there in the health and wellness space, including the medical professionals. That you, Marissa, are the first to appear on Frank about her health first in January, and now today and, Karen, I'd like you to let everyone know who the second is going to be on Thursday, April fourth.
01:00:38.730 --> 01:00:53.610 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: Yes, our guest will be Dr. Mort Orman. He is an internal medicine physician somewhat retired. He likes to play his golf, but he continues to write. He is the author of 22 books.
01:00:53.650 --> 01:01:06.430 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: many of them having to do with stress and anxiety, but his focus is anger, and his newest book comes out the end of March, which is specifically the anger cure.
01:01:06.570 --> 01:01:12.690 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: And he has a ten-week program that he works people through angry no more. And
01:01:12.700 --> 01:01:25.330 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: just, he's he's just a terrific guy has great ideas. He'll be a fascinating conversation about how to rid anger from your life, not deal with it, not manage it, get rid of it.
01:01:25.990 --> 01:01:46.969 Karen Ross - KarenRossNow.com/schedule: Awesome. Anything because it's it's stress awareness month, mark. And he actually created not sure if I have the exact title. But national stress awareness day, I think. But we'll talk about that. So he created an acknowledgement about stress for the month of April.
01:01:47.720 --> 01:01:48.750 Frank R Harrison: Awesome.
01:01:48.970 --> 01:02:02.090 Frank R Harrison: All right, that'll be, said Logan again. You are for Frank about health. You've been my hero for the last 4 or 5 months, but even more so. Thank you again for sharing your story and to introduce us to velvet and
01:02:02.270 --> 01:02:22.980 Frank R Harrison: we definitely will be in touch for a lot of other reasons. But that all being said, I'm just gonna sign off the show for now, because I'm on hiatus. All I can say is, stay tuned for our slate of shows tomorrow. Philanthropy and focus. And always Friday and next week, with the hard skills and the conscious consultant and an encore performance
01:02:22.990 --> 01:02:44.659 Frank R Harrison: of Frank about health. I've already have my 3 that I'm scheduling, and I will. I guess you'll have to tune in to talk radio, dot Nyc. To hear what they are about, that all being said, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here today. On, on, Frank about health. Thank you, Marissa. Thank you, Karen. Thank you, Logan, and thank you behind the scenes, Emily, for helping produce this show again and
01:02:44.940 --> 01:02:53.089 Frank R Harrison: We'll see you all in a month at the Hilton, Chicago, the Hilton Doubletree, Chicago. Alrighty. Take care
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