This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is pleased to welcome Author and Professional Astrologer, John Sandbach.
John has been a practicing professional astrologer for 57 years. He has written books about color, the tarot, energetic healing, and astrology.
He is known for his interpretations of the degrees of the zodiac through the Chandra symbols. He is also a poet and novelist.
He does private astrological counselling, as well as tarot and psychic readings.
All of his work coordinates metaphysical ideas, and is based on Kabbalistic thought as well as other mystic traditions. He has had two years of training in gestalt therapy, and taught energy healing, flower essence therapy, gem and mineral therapy, Chinese Meridian therapy, and Reiki for over 10 years.
His recent book, Soul Journey Through the Tarot, is a manual which teaches you how to do tarot readings. It also teaches you the basics of astrology, as each one of the tarot cards is linked to a planet or a sign. It also explains a system of numerology linked to the tarot that can be used to interpret names, dates, and to give life readings.
Tune in and share your questions and comments around tarot and astrology on our YouTube livestream or on our Facebook page.
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00:00:41.820 --> 00:00:58.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Welcome to another edition of that conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. Not only is this another edition. It is our last live episode for 2023.
00:00:59.090 --> 00:01:16.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hard to believe. It's already the end of the year. Welcome, welcome, welcome to all my loyal listeners whenever you're tuning in and from when, wherever you're tuning in from we have an amazing guest in store for you today, we have a fascinating show
00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:43.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that I think will really get you thinking about things. Maybe just just a little bit differently than you're used to. So let's kick it off. Of course we're starting off these days with a blog post. That I wrote couple of years ago. I'm just kinda going in order. So you know I didn't cherry pick this one. It's just the next one on the list
00:01:43.140 --> 00:01:49.519 from where I started, and this one is entitled, I think this is a good way to finish off the year.
00:01:50.180 --> 00:01:56.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Love is not a feeling, it is an unconditional state of being.
00:01:57.070 --> 00:02:00.800 There is a lot of talk about love this time of year.
00:02:01.010 --> 00:02:07.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mostly it is focused on the love of another. on our intimate relationships.
00:02:07.880 --> 00:02:13.169 Yet there is so much more to this intricate thing called love.
00:02:13.910 --> 00:02:27.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There are other obvious relationships of love, such as the love of a parent. of a child or a sibling. There is the love of a close friend, a mentor.
00:02:27.890 --> 00:02:29.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or a student.
00:02:29.630 --> 00:02:37.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet all of these external relationships are not nearly as important as our closest relationship.
00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:46.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The one we have with ourselves. and to love ourselves is the primary relationship in our life.
00:02:47.260 --> 00:02:53.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for the experience of love cannot come to us if we do not let it in
00:02:54.760 --> 00:03:03.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in order to let it in, and truly make it a part of our life, we must first have that connection with our own heart.
00:03:03.810 --> 00:03:09.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is not about a temporary feeling we have when we are with someone else.
00:03:10.180 --> 00:03:15.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for we all feel good when we are with some one who loves us, and we love them.
00:03:16.070 --> 00:03:33.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet the only person we are with every day all day long is ourselves. and those quiet moments when we are alone with ourselves is far more telling than any moment with another person.
00:03:33.870 --> 00:03:41.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do we really feel about being with ourselves? Are we comfortable in those times, or distracted?
00:03:42.110 --> 00:03:46.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do we appreciate ourselves, or do we judge ourselves?
00:03:47.260 --> 00:03:54.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can we connect to our own heart when no one else is around?
00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:57.450 For love is not a feeling.
00:03:57.700 --> 00:04:00.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: love is a state of being.
00:04:00.820 --> 00:04:03.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Either we are in love
00:04:03.350 --> 00:04:17.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or we are not. We either come from a place of love or we do not. and that connection to love is not something that goes away when things are not going well.
00:04:19.700 --> 00:04:29.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is greater than our Hertz or unfulfilled desires. It brings us back home to ourselves.
00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:44.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and from that place we can love others. Yet when we struggle to find a way to love ourselves, we will always struggle with our loving relationships.
00:04:45.290 --> 00:04:54.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: having a close, intimate relationship with someone is not about meeting each other's needs or some form of codependency.
00:04:55.250 --> 00:04:59.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: True love is about sharing a deep connection with our heart.
00:05:00.080 --> 00:05:04.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with another who is also connected to their heart.
00:05:05.170 --> 00:05:15.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to truly know ourselves and all our faults, and still love ourselves, is the deepest expression of love there is
00:05:17.190 --> 00:05:19.450 when we come to that place.
00:05:19.980 --> 00:05:31.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is then simpler to share that love with someone else. a love that comes with no expectations. a love that is unconditional.
00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:35.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for that is what true love really is.
00:05:35.880 --> 00:05:41.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: an unconditional experience of ourselves, in another.
00:05:42.760 --> 00:05:48.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the love that comes from that place lasts throughout an entire life.
00:05:49.200 --> 00:05:53.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: even if those involved are no longer together.
00:05:54.490 --> 00:05:59.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So where in your own life can you find more love for yourself?
00:06:00.640 --> 00:06:07.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How can you be more unconditional in your love for another person?
00:06:09.460 --> 00:06:18.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: obviously, I think I wrote this plug in a February a couple of years ago. and and II guess I just wanted to
00:06:20.050 --> 00:06:35.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: give a different take unloved, because in in February so much is around finding your soul mate and love. And you know these hallmark cards and and roses, and all that kind of stuff.
00:06:36.890 --> 00:06:39.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and what I've come to
00:06:40.890 --> 00:06:44.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: truly believe and understand
00:06:46.400 --> 00:06:49.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: over my years of of doing my own personal work
00:06:51.100 --> 00:06:55.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is that all love starts in one place.
00:06:55.810 --> 00:07:00.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that's in our own hearts. and that's the love for ourselves.
00:07:01.110 --> 00:07:07.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because when we truly love ourselves. No one can ever take that away.
00:07:07.350 --> 00:07:10.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: no hurt can ever take that away.
00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:18.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: no betrayal, no mistrust, no, no disloyalty can ever take that away.
00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:35.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so and and and I guess this is kind of appropriate for this time of year. We're celebrating the holiday season, the changing to the New year. I mean, this is also a time of family and friendships. It's also a time of love.
00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:47.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it can be a very difficult time, because a lot of people have a hard time with their families. Not surprisingly. Our families trigger as more than anything else.
00:07:50.420 --> 00:07:56.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet we can, when we can truly cultivate that love of self.
00:07:59.230 --> 00:08:09.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: then we can share that love with others from an unconditional place. Because if we love ourselves and we don't need anyone else to love us
00:08:10.230 --> 00:08:22.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: doesn't mean we don't want to share that love with another. It doesn't mean we don't want to be loved. Of course we all do. All human beings have this innate desire to be loved.
00:08:25.860 --> 00:08:40.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But when we start with loving ourselves. when we've unwound enough of our trauma, and enough of our challenges that that have cut ourselves off from our own hearts
00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:48.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when we've gotten past that. even if we're not fully past it, but past it enough.
00:08:49.710 --> 00:08:52.110 truly love our own hearts.
00:08:54.570 --> 00:09:00.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Then we come from a very powerful place. very powerful place of love.
00:09:03.490 --> 00:09:07.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and then, when we come to share that with another.
00:09:08.980 --> 00:09:17.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we can share it from a much more unconditional place. Maybe maybe as human beings, we can never truly be unconditional.
00:09:19.500 --> 00:09:26.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or maybe just in this society it's much more difficult. but I truly believe
00:09:26.770 --> 00:09:34.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the more we cultivate and and and this I'm talking about loving ourselves. I'm not talking about an egocentric.
00:09:34.340 --> 00:09:45.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: narcissistic. self centred love where everything is all about us. But I'm just talking about truly, truly honoring
00:09:47.130 --> 00:09:51.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and seeing the depth of her own soul, of her own heart.
00:09:52.770 --> 00:09:55.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and falling in love with that.
00:09:57.280 --> 00:10:01.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And just because we see, that doesn't mean we can always be that.
00:10:02.520 --> 00:10:14.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But the more we do our own work, the more we develop ourselves as human beings. The more we let go of all those things that no longer serve us.
00:10:15.290 --> 00:10:18.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the closer we come to that state
00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:20.800 true unconditional love.
00:10:22.230 --> 00:10:23.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:10:23.380 --> 00:10:38.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I guess this is quite an appropriate blog post for my last live show of of 2023. Again, the title of that blog post is love is not a feeling, it is an unconditional state of being.
00:10:38.490 --> 00:10:50.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You can find that and all my other blog posts on Talkradio, Dot, NYC, and you can also find it on my own personal site of the consciousconsultant.com.
00:10:52.370 --> 00:11:01.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And now it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show author and professional. Astrologer, John Sandbach.
00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:22.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: John has been practicing professional astrology for over 57 years. He has written books about color, the taro, energetic healing and astrology. He is known for his interpretations of the degrees of the zodiac through the Chandra's symbols, got to ask him about that. He is also a poet and a novelist.
00:11:23.130 --> 00:11:28.029 He does private astrological counseling as well as Tarot and psychic readings.
00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:36.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All of his work coordinates metaphysical ideas, and is based on Kabbalistic thought as well as other mystical traditions.
00:11:36.130 --> 00:11:47.570 He has had 2 years of training in Gustav therapy and taught energy, healing, flour, essence, therapy, gem and mineral therapy, Chinese meridian therapy, and reiki for over 10 years.
00:11:47.670 --> 00:11:50.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In his most recent book.
00:11:50.300 --> 00:11:56.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sole Journey through the Taro. Right here is manual, which teaches you
00:11:56.160 --> 00:12:14.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how to do taro readings, it also would so much more. It also teaches you the basics of astrology as each one of the tarot cards is linked to a planet or sign. It also explains a system of numerology linked to the taro that can be used to interpret names, dates, and give life.
00:12:14.650 --> 00:12:20.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and to give life readings welcome to the conscious consultant hour. John.
00:12:20.880 --> 00:12:40.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm so happy to be here. It's a pleasure to have you. I have to tell you when when I got this book just a couple of days ago, and I started to look at it. I it is. It is so thick and so full of great information. I'm like, Oh, this is going to take me some time to get through.
00:12:41.430 --> 00:12:51.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, it's pretty hefty. Actually, I'm just curious. I want to talk about your background. But but I'm just curious. How long did it take you to write this book?
00:12:52.780 --> 00:12:59.710 John Sandbach: That's an interesting question. You know the original version of that book was from about 1,975,
00:13:00.050 --> 00:13:04.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it was called The Golden Cycle, a text on the Terrow.
00:13:04.620 --> 00:13:09.610 John Sandbach: and it was criticized by a lot of people for its structure. People said, it's
00:13:09.800 --> 00:13:16.909 John Sandbach: there's a lot of good information that. But it's difficult to use. It needs to be structured in a better way.
00:13:17.180 --> 00:13:21.140 So when Indertraditions accepted it for publication.
00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.500 John Sandbach: they put me with the
00:13:23.700 --> 00:13:27.759 John Sandbach: A woman named Liz Perry, editor there.
00:13:27.930 --> 00:13:32.179 John Sandbach: and she and I worked on the restructuring of it, and
00:13:32.250 --> 00:13:35.270 John Sandbach: she did a marvelous job to book.
00:13:35.390 --> 00:13:48.330 John Sandbach: It was like taking a house and totally redoing it, you know, and not only did we did I redo it, but I added a lot of things to the book, and so the books
00:13:48.540 --> 00:14:01.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the books been in process for about 50 years. Wow, wow! That's incredible. That's incredible. And and I think it really shows with the depth in in in which you have in the book.
00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:15.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so I'm just curious. I I'm I've had an different astrologers on the show in the network. I've talked with a number of different people. I don't think I've had anybody who is a professional astrologer for as long as you have been.
00:14:15.490 --> 00:14:34.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How? What was your very first introduction like? How did you get into this? Because way back, then it was not nearly as common or as accepted as it is today. It wasn't common or accepted at all. Really, this was before the time of computers, and I was in late high school.
00:14:34.970 --> 00:14:37.690 John Sandbach: And I just.
00:14:37.860 --> 00:14:46.650 John Sandbach: I got this impulse that II had to do it. I had to learn astrology. I learned I had to learn how to draw up a chart.
00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:58.360 John Sandbach: and so I went to Bennett Schneider books, which was a bookstore from Kansas City, and they had a book called Books in print, and I opened it up under astrology, and there was listed about.
00:14:58.520 --> 00:15:09.449 John Sandbach: Oh, maybe 12 books, 12 books in print. You could get in America on astrology at that time, so I ordered all 12 of them.
00:15:09.610 --> 00:15:28.669 John Sandbach: and they came to me, and one of them was Llewellyn's horoscope maker and delineator, and it told how to drop a chart. But it was very hard to follow the directions. So in Kansas City is a library called Linda Hall Library. It's one of the biggest science libraries in the world.
00:15:28.880 --> 00:15:33.410 John Sandbach: and I went over there and searched out information about how to
00:15:33.870 --> 00:15:36.560 John Sandbach: calculate planetarium positions
00:15:36.570 --> 00:15:45.919 John Sandbach: and ascendants and everything you need to do a chart, and I think the first chart I ever did, I did by hand, and it took about 8 h to do.
00:15:46.280 --> 00:15:49.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, wow! And then.
00:15:49.750 --> 00:15:55.909 John Sandbach: later, I got better and better and better at doing them, until finally I could do one in half hour.
00:15:56.330 --> 00:16:23.159 John Sandbach: and then computers came along. And now it takes me about 15 s to do a chart. You just push a few buttons, and there it is great from 8 h to 15 s that I thought, I've got to do this. I've got to do this
00:16:23.230 --> 00:16:26.180 John Sandbach: I had a friend, and she had all these
00:16:26.330 --> 00:16:36.090 John Sandbach: other friends, and one of them asked me one day over the phone. I was at my friend's house, and she put me online with the other person. She said, would you do my chart?
00:16:36.790 --> 00:16:50.020 John Sandbach: I said, I don't. I don't do readings. I don't know how to do that. Oh, come on. You've been studying this. Try it, just try it. And I said, Okay. so I wrote her out an interpretation.
00:16:50.580 --> 00:17:00.140 John Sandbach: and she paid me for it. I didn't even ask her for money, but she paid me so then she started giving my number to her friends
00:17:00.300 --> 00:17:14.619 John Sandbach: and all these friends or friends were calling up asking for astrology meetings, and that's how I became an astrologer. That that's a great story of kind of just saying, yes to life. I call it.
00:17:14.619 --> 00:17:31.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, it's like just doing what presents. It's like, this is in front of you people asking for it. So okay, gonna do this alright excellent. So I got more questions about kind of how life is taking you. But we gotta take our first break.
00:17:31.730 --> 00:17:48.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So when we come back I wanna learn a little bit more of sort of where things went from there and like, when were you like, how long did it take you to really support yourself doing this full time. And and yeah, and what kind of interesting things have happened over your career? Okay, great.
00:17:48.860 --> 00:18:06.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: wonderful. So everyone. Please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1 0 PM. Eastern time right here on talk radio that Nyc. Except for the last 2 weeks of the year, and we will be right back with our guest, John Sandbach, in just a moment.
00:20:22.840 --> 00:20:32.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious. Consult now awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with John Sandbach, author of Soul Journey
00:20:33.420 --> 00:21:02.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: through the Taro A very key to a complete spiritual practice. It's really quite a tone. And something, I think, is somewhat representative, maybe, of your life, John, right? You you put so much into this. It is a lot of my life in that book. Yes, yeah. So so you started off again. You you've learned about it in the early days, you know, people just started coming to you.
00:21:02.510 --> 00:21:14.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How long was it until you you kinda said like, Oh, like, this is what I wanna do with my life like this is like, I wanna dedicate do this full time. Just just work on
00:21:14.570 --> 00:21:16.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on undoing this.
00:21:17.460 --> 00:21:20.150 John Sandbach: You know, actually.
00:21:21.470 --> 00:21:25.050 John Sandbach: the first thing I had to do was give up piano.
00:21:26.040 --> 00:21:32.059 John Sandbach: And yes, my father was very much against me doing the piano.
00:21:32.120 --> 00:21:37.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and he was pressuring me. He he was afraid I wouldn't be able to make a living
00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:42.859 John Sandbach: as a pianist, you know, or as a teacher at piano at a university
00:21:43.110 --> 00:21:52.970 John Sandbach: he thought it was not a practical thing to be doing so once that was once II kind of let go of that
00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:59.659 John Sandbach: astrology loomed large, I mean, I really wanted to get into it. So I just
00:21:59.740 --> 00:22:05.320 John Sandbach: do dove in. And I found people here and there who taught me things.
00:22:05.600 --> 00:22:17.180 John Sandbach: My my teachers were piecemeal, but some of them were very good, and gave me some really good knowledge about astrology. And then I think the big turning point
00:22:17.310 --> 00:22:18.640 John Sandbach: was.
00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:29.179 John Sandbach: going to an astrology convention and meeting Raymond Merriman, who at the time was probably the most well known astrologer in America.
00:22:29.520 --> 00:22:31.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I had written a book
00:22:31.940 --> 00:22:40.430 John Sandbach: I wrote a book called the Duada Shamsa's, which was basically a channeled book about sections of the Zodiac
00:22:40.610 --> 00:22:48.999 John Sandbach: Zodiac into 144 parts. It's an old Indian technique. So I wrote a book on this, and it was really just channeled. It just kind of
00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:51.560 John Sandbach: fell out of me, so to speak.
00:22:52.410 --> 00:22:56.870 John Sandbach: and Ray had seen the book. I went to
00:22:57.210 --> 00:23:01.179 John Sandbach: wiser books in New York City, and I
00:23:01.570 --> 00:23:06.450 John Sandbach: I asked them if they were. Donald Wiser was the head at the time.
00:23:06.490 --> 00:23:08.660 John Sandbach: I asked him if he would publish my book.
00:23:09.100 --> 00:23:13.439 John Sandbach: and he looked at it. He read it, and he wrote back and said.
00:23:13.490 --> 00:23:23.220 John Sandbach: I find this book very, very interesting, and let let me think about it. We'll think about it. Course. I got all excited. Oh, wow! Samuel Wiser is gonna publish this book of mine, I wrote, you know.
00:23:23.250 --> 00:23:28.279 John Sandbach: And then he wrote back and he said, You know, he said. I hate to tell you this, but
00:23:28.850 --> 00:23:32.160 John Sandbach: we only publish older books, old.
00:23:32.370 --> 00:23:52.239 John Sandbach: you know. We don't publish new work or new authors, and he said, I just decided. I don't really want to get into that at this time, so I'm I have to tell you. No, but I really hope that you find a publisher, and I was just very let down by that very let down. Then one night I had a dream.
00:23:52.560 --> 00:23:59.330 John Sandbach: and in the dream Ray Merriman came to me. and he was all dressed in white.
00:23:59.940 --> 00:24:10.080 John Sandbach: and he was in kind of bright sunlight. So this white was glowing, you know. and he was talking to me he was being very kind, and I don't know what he was saying, but
00:24:10.290 --> 00:24:19.849 John Sandbach: anyway, it made a big impression on me. You know. I felt like I was seeing Ray Merriman's angelic side, you know.
00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:22.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The very next day
00:24:22.600 --> 00:24:27.129 John Sandbach: he calls me, and he says. Are you still trying to get that book published.
00:24:27.310 --> 00:24:31.189 John Sandbach: and I said, yes, I said, wise or rejected, he said.
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.200 John Sandbach: well, my wife and I have decided we're gonna start a publishing company. We wanna publish your book.
00:24:38.050 --> 00:24:40.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I said, Great!
00:24:40.890 --> 00:24:47.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that was a a big, huge turning point for me. He published several of my books
00:24:47.560 --> 00:25:02.129 John Sandbach: after that, and did a marvelous job with it, and promoted me and helped me immensely. I would go to astrology conferences and teach their lecture, and it was wonderful.
00:25:02.490 --> 00:25:06.089 John Sandbach: So he was. He was my.
00:25:06.320 --> 00:25:13.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I would call him my astrological father. Hmm, hmm, yeah, yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful.
00:25:15.580 --> 00:25:32.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: With there any sort of challenges with doing that with fully stepping into it, like, you know, criticism from your family or friends, I mean, did anyone kind of give you a hard time, or
00:25:33.350 --> 00:25:42.619 John Sandbach: my friends were intrigued by it. Yeah, and it intimidated me it still intimidates me.
00:25:42.790 --> 00:25:49.389 John Sandbach: it's a very strange thing to do, because, you know, like, when I look at your chart.
00:25:49.600 --> 00:26:00.359 John Sandbach: I mean. I know so much about these things. I've assimilated so much information about astrology, but when I look at your chart I see literally hundreds and hundreds of things, you know.
00:26:00.490 --> 00:26:03.779 John Sandbach: and then we're going to sit down and talk about it for an hour.
00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:09.250 John Sandbach: I've had to learn how to let spirit guide me.
00:26:10.270 --> 00:26:14.420 John Sandbach: what to select from that chart to to tell you about.
00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:22.830 John Sandbach: and how to say it, how to get the information across to you, you know. Talk about what's there? And I really look at astrology.
00:26:23.150 --> 00:26:26.079 John Sandbach: the best astrology, the highest astrology
00:26:26.320 --> 00:26:28.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is healing work.
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:46.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's for healing. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm I'm curious cause II saw you mentioned in your bio and in your book, that in that first book you you channeled something called the Chandra symbols. What are those?
00:26:47.510 --> 00:26:52.970 John Sandbach: Well, they are symbolic. Here's Volume one of my.
00:26:53.170 --> 00:27:02.059 John Sandbach: that's volume one of my look on the symbols, and each volume is about 500 pages long. But
00:27:02.280 --> 00:27:08.199 John Sandbach: let me give you an example of a symbol like I'll just pick at random
00:27:10.570 --> 00:27:15.019 John Sandbach: an old abandoned garden everything under a blanket of ivy.
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:21.470 John Sandbach: That's the nineteenth degree of Sagittarius. So the idea is, you
00:27:21.810 --> 00:27:30.110 John Sandbach: hold that symbol in your mind, and you let it speak to you. you tuned into the energy of it, and then that that has to do
00:27:30.780 --> 00:27:38.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with the energy of that degree. And let's say you have Venus in that degree. Well, Venus is the planet of love and appreciation.
00:27:38.530 --> 00:27:49.539 John Sandbach: So something about your appreciation of life, and what you see as beautiful or valuable will be reflected in that symbol. So really, you use these symbols
00:27:50.360 --> 00:27:53.559 John Sandbach: to do what I would think of as psychic astrology.
00:27:55.670 --> 00:28:12.430 John Sandbach: and you know. And so there was a famous set of these degree symbols that were channeled by an astrologer named Mark Jones, and they're called the savian symbols, and those are we're in are still in very, very wide usage.
00:28:12.580 --> 00:28:16.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Astrologers know about what the savian symbols are, and like that.
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:25.709 John Sandbach: Well, about 20 years ago I had a friend, and I was saying to her, you know I want I thought about channeling is set a degree symbols.
00:28:26.520 --> 00:28:29.539 John Sandbach: I keep thinking about it, she said. Well, why don't you do it?
00:28:30.150 --> 00:28:35.189 John Sandbach: And I said, Well, yeah, she said, how about if I come over tomorrow morning and I'll help you?
00:28:36.090 --> 00:28:45.240 John Sandbach: She was very pushy, and you know. So she did. She came over the next day and we had 360 cars
00:28:45.520 --> 00:28:53.780 John Sandbach: pieces of paper, and I'd written on each card like one areas, 2 areas, 3 areas up to 30, every sign. At 30, you know.
00:28:54.170 --> 00:29:00.579 John Sandbach: We laid them down one by one. She'd pick up the card. And I tell her the picture that came to mind, and she'd write it down.
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:04.190 John Sandbach: and we kept doing that til we did all 3 60.
00:29:13.170 --> 00:29:17.689 John Sandbach: Now, why did she bring that up because I was just looking at that before the show
00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:27.409 John Sandbach: cause? I'm like on the Aquarius Pisces cusp, and I'm literally 2 degrees into Pisces. Now, is it? 2 degrees in some minutes
00:29:28.450 --> 00:29:31.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: might be, I don't know. I'm gonna have to have you do my chart and tell me.
00:29:34.910 --> 00:29:44.450 John Sandbach: well, okay, if it's 2 degrees in some minutes, it's the third degree. It's one degree in some minutes. It's the second degree.
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:46.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, got it.
00:29:46.390 --> 00:29:53.970 John Sandbach: So should we look at 2. Yeah, let's look at 2. Okay, I know what it is already, because I was looking at it right before the show.
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.170 John Sandbach: A man turning into a werewolf.
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:57.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Huh!
00:29:58.590 --> 00:30:01.179 John Sandbach: And what it's about is
00:30:02.100 --> 00:30:05.499 John Sandbach: getting in touch with the deepest earth
00:30:05.580 --> 00:30:11.360 John Sandbach: energy of your beings getting in touch with instincts.
00:30:12.110 --> 00:30:12.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm!
00:30:13.660 --> 00:30:15.899 John Sandbach: Getting in touch really, with your own
00:30:16.020 --> 00:30:19.519 John Sandbach: animal nature and and its wisdom.
00:30:19.990 --> 00:30:20.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:30:21.030 --> 00:30:23.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: hmm, fascinating.
00:30:23.890 --> 00:30:25.250 John Sandbach: I'm just there.
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:29.010 John Sandbach: Okay, yeah.
00:30:30.910 --> 00:30:35.290 John Sandbach: Now, this book that I just showed you is really
00:30:35.300 --> 00:30:37.580 John Sandbach: pretty complicated because
00:30:37.810 --> 00:30:40.939 John Sandbach: it has 4 sets of degree symbols.
00:30:41.980 --> 00:30:46.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: 4 symbols for each degree. Why is that?
00:30:47.100 --> 00:30:50.179 John Sandbach: Well? Because each symbol
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:54.039 John Sandbach: reveals another facet of the degree.
00:30:54.920 --> 00:31:00.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you know, if you go to an observatory and look at one degree of the sky.
00:31:01.090 --> 00:31:03.030 John Sandbach: there will be literally
00:31:03.570 --> 00:31:08.609 John Sandbach: millions of galaxies in every degree.
00:31:09.350 --> 00:31:10.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:31:10.330 --> 00:31:12.010 John Sandbach: So
00:31:12.520 --> 00:31:17.279 John Sandbach: the amount of energy and information in each degree is
00:31:17.360 --> 00:31:20.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: gigantic. Yeah, humongous, absolutely
00:31:21.430 --> 00:31:43.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: alright. I'm I'm gonna stop there just cause we gotta take our next break, and I could just like, keep going down this rabbit hole with you forever. But II have a a ton. More questions around diffident, different things that you touch upon in the in the book. And I do wanna get to the taro itself, because Taro was sort of my introduction, I would guess to to things spiritual.
00:31:43.950 --> 00:32:03.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I'll I'll tell you about that when we when we come back to break from brake. So so everyone please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious. Consult now, or weakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with John. Send back author of this book, soul Journey through the taro, and we will be right back in just a moment.
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00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:21.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consult now awakening humanity. So so, John, this book is is naturally not about astrology per se, but about the taro, though there's a lot of astrology in there.
00:34:22.060 --> 00:34:25.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: taro was one of the first
00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:51.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: things that got me sort of looking at spiritual stuff cause back when I was in high school. I was a junior in high school, and my girlfriend at the time had a Tara deck, and I'm like, Oh, what's that? And she goes to Tara Deck, and she shows me how to use it. And I'm like, Oh, that's kinda cool, can I borrow it? And she's like, sure, and so II borrowed from her for a day, and I remember II showed it to someone in my home room classes. This girl she goes. Oh, like.
00:34:51.449 --> 00:35:15.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I have a date tonight with a guy I really like. And we keep missing each other. And II really wanna know, like how things are gonna go. Can you do a towel reading for me about it? And I'm like, I don't know. Okay, sure, let's try it. And so I had her shuffle the cards and mixing her question, and we do the traditional cross, and and I kind of read it, and it's kind of like, well, it looks like
00:35:15.100 --> 00:35:21.960 things are gonna start off. Okay, there's gonna be kind of a bit of a problem. But things are gonna work out okay in the end.
00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:43.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so then the next day I see it, she goes. Oh, my God! I can't believe it! You were so right! She goes. Oh, he comes over and we decide to go out. But in this car broke down, and then we couldn't do do what we're supposed to do. So we ended up just staying in, and we talked all night long, and it was wonderful we had so connected. Da da. Oh, that was wonderful. And so with that encouragement. I'm like, Oh, oh, okay, like, maybe I can
00:35:43.140 --> 00:35:55.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: use this stuff a little bit. So that that was one of my first experiences with the taro of. Actually, I literally just learned it the night before, and then I did a reading for someone, and it will like
00:35:55.730 --> 00:36:05.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: oh, it like turned out fairly accurate. So, we've been talking a lot about astrology. How did you get into taro? And why is this book focused on taro?
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.439 John Sandbach: Well, you know, it was kind of like
00:36:08.610 --> 00:36:22.939 John Sandbach: getting into astrology, and that I tend to kind of just slip into things. and it shows in my chart very strongly that I I will go through episodes of just feeling this
00:36:23.080 --> 00:36:32.969 John Sandbach: urge to do something like I've got to do it now. This is the time. It's like an apple falling off a tree. You know it's finally right, it's ready to go.
00:36:33.170 --> 00:36:38.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I ran across a book called The Sacred Terro, by CC. Zane
00:36:39.040 --> 00:36:45.349 John Sandbach: and CC. Zane was the head of the Church of Light in California.
00:36:45.410 --> 00:36:49.640 John Sandbach: and he had his own deck that went with that book.
00:36:49.900 --> 00:36:51.569 John Sandbach: and I purchased that book.
00:36:51.710 --> 00:36:57.219 John Sandbach: and he had rulerships, astrological rulerships for each of the cards.
00:36:57.470 --> 00:37:12.629 John Sandbach: and being an astrologer that intrigued me. So I just digested that book. I mean I read it over and over and over, and loved it, and it made so much sense to me his rulerships for the cards.
00:37:12.650 --> 00:37:13.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:20.000 John Sandbach: taro helped to explain astrology and astrology helped to explain the taro.
00:37:20.290 --> 00:37:25.279 John Sandbach: They're both what I call complete systems, in that they have everything in them.
00:37:25.420 --> 00:37:28.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They have all the universal principles in them.
00:37:29.370 --> 00:37:32.769 John Sandbach: And so all my terror work was then based
00:37:32.970 --> 00:37:34.199 John Sandbach: on that book
00:37:34.450 --> 00:37:45.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I see. And how long ago was that? Was that also a long time ago. Was that something more recent? That was in the late sixties, early seventies?
00:37:45.590 --> 00:37:47.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah,
00:37:47.840 --> 00:38:15.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, one question I've over always had, and we used to have an an astrologer who did a show on the network. Monty Taylor, who was a Jungian astrologer, so he used to when he talk about astrology. He'd weave in all the archetypes and the plan and the myths behind the planet. He was very well versed in the Latin and Greek myths and so made it it. It made astrology for me so rich, and gave me such a deep appreciation for it.
00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:19.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious how old cause I've heard differing things.
00:38:20.130 --> 00:38:30.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but from all your research and working with both Tarot and astrology, how old are these systems? Do we have any idea, or are we just totally clueless of how old they're so old.
00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:43.880 John Sandbach: I don't think we do have any real substantial idea. It goes back to about the fourteenth century, 13 hundreds in Italy where the first tarot cards appeared.
00:38:44.180 --> 00:38:46.839 John Sandbach: but that's on the
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.530 John Sandbach: outer logical historical level.
00:38:50.600 --> 00:38:52.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: On the inner truth level.
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.590 John Sandbach: I feel like the cards have a very strong association with the city of Fez
00:38:58.230 --> 00:39:07.699 John Sandbach: and in Northern Africa, and which was a very spiritual sort of place, and I think there was a group of Cabalis there
00:39:07.720 --> 00:39:12.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who put together the Tarot and the Taro was meant
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.260 John Sandbach: to reflect
00:39:14.610 --> 00:39:32.200 John Sandbach: the wisdom and teaching of the Zohar, which is the primary book of Kabbalah, and 22 volumes long, just as like there are 22 cards in the major arcanum. Each one of those cards goes with one of the volumes of the Zohar.
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:45.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that, I didn't know that I didn't know. And and that's one of the things in in the book that you talk about is is not just taro astrology, but also the kaboa, and how that relates to everything. Wh.
00:39:45.560 --> 00:39:49.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What sort of brought the Cabala to the forefront for you.
00:39:49.730 --> 00:39:56.009 John Sandbach: Well, I'll tell you, you know. For a long time I was aware of of the, but
00:39:56.130 --> 00:40:00.050 John Sandbach: I didn't want to study it, because when I looked into it.
00:40:00.060 --> 00:40:10.340 John Sandbach: Oh, my God, it's so complex and very. It's like lace. All these all these ideas twirled around each other, and all these technical terms and like that.
00:40:10.670 --> 00:40:16.110 John Sandbach: So then I had contact this was not that long ago, maybe. Oh.
00:40:16.530 --> 00:40:29.700 John Sandbach: maybe 10 years ago had contact with the Cabala center in New York City. What they have done is marvelous because they're not into all that technical intellectual stuff which is good stuff.
00:40:29.730 --> 00:40:38.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What they're into is applied. Kabbalah. Let's apply these principles to everyday life.
00:40:38.830 --> 00:40:40.040 John Sandbach: And
00:40:40.710 --> 00:40:45.899 John Sandbach: one time I called the Kabala center and I they give you free counseling
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:54.349 John Sandbach: there, or they did at that time, and I called, and I said, You know I'm having a lot of trouble with my business. My business is not going well.
00:40:55.230 --> 00:40:56.440 John Sandbach: and
00:40:57.200 --> 00:41:04.249 John Sandbach: that man said, well, you need to generate business by being giving, being giving. Why don't you buy a copy of the Zohar
00:41:04.510 --> 00:41:05.550 John Sandbach: for someone?
00:41:06.470 --> 00:41:10.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the Zohar at that time copy of it cost $400,
00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:12.240 John Sandbach: and I said, I don't.
00:41:12.450 --> 00:41:14.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't have $400 to spend.
00:41:15.450 --> 00:41:19.319 John Sandbach: he said. Take a risk, do it. It says, you know.
00:41:19.390 --> 00:41:27.700 John Sandbach: and I thought about it, and I thought so, anyway, that there was this bookstore metaphysical bookstore in Kansas City, and the Zohar emanates like just the very book.
00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:35.469 John Sandbach: It's like a magical implement. So I bought this bookstore a copy of the Zohar. and after I did
00:41:36.020 --> 00:41:40.479 John Sandbach: my business just started flowing. I mean, it was great.
00:41:40.510 --> 00:41:43.140 John Sandbach: He was doing wonderful. So
00:41:43.460 --> 00:41:48.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that's the kind of practical things that could you know, they help you with.
00:41:48.430 --> 00:41:50.610 So so how and
00:41:50.620 --> 00:41:52.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how do you.
00:41:52.990 --> 00:41:58.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know for our audience? If you maybe give me a little bit of an idea of how do you interrelate the taro
00:41:59.140 --> 00:42:11.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with the Kabbalah with astrology, because it's all in here. It's all in this book, which is one of the reasons why I'm like fascinated with this book is is. I don't think I've seen one
00:42:12.260 --> 00:42:14.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: book that brings so much together.
00:42:15.890 --> 00:42:20.259 John Sandbach: Yes, well, you know, as each card is ruled by assign.
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:26.229 John Sandbach: Then the astrology can help you to understand the card, and then the number on the card
00:42:26.450 --> 00:42:41.290 John Sandbach: is not at all arbitrary, like the our cannon 12 is ruled by Pisces, and so the number 12 vibrates with Pisces and with the card they all work together.
00:42:42.140 --> 00:42:43.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Gotcha and the
00:42:43.930 --> 00:42:55.570 John Sandbach: that card. One of the things you can say that it's about is letting go letting go see? We always put value judgments on our word.
00:42:55.690 --> 00:43:00.519 John Sandbach: on our words, you know. Like, if you say give up.
00:43:01.290 --> 00:43:05.159 John Sandbach: People have this. Oh, oh, you're gonna lose. You're gonna lose the race.
00:43:05.470 --> 00:43:07.870 John Sandbach: Yeah. You shouldn't give up. Ever give up
00:43:07.940 --> 00:43:12.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: no giving up habit has this place giving up can be a great thing.
00:43:12.930 --> 00:43:16.030 John Sandbach: Giving up is a really good thing to do right before you die.
00:43:16.130 --> 00:43:24.180 John Sandbach: cause you're gonna give up your body. You're gonna give up this lifetime so you can go to a new lifetime, you know.
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:28.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: giving up and giving in and letting go. Let me
00:43:28.910 --> 00:43:34.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when you let go of stress. You're giving it up, you know. So that's the really positive
00:43:35.580 --> 00:43:37.230 John Sandbach: side of Pisces
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:42.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is the ability to let go in such a way that then it
00:43:42.820 --> 00:43:51.780 John Sandbach: brings in a flood of universal cosmic energy. Because there's room for it now, because you've given up the stress and the
00:43:52.140 --> 00:43:56.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: lesser concerns. Right? Right? Yeah, that that's
00:43:56.540 --> 00:44:09.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: one of the things that I've learned from my wife, who's Chinese. She comes from Beijing. But yeah, this idea that at the appropriate time giving up is could be the exact.
00:44:09.820 --> 00:44:11.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: perfect thing to do.
00:44:11.770 --> 00:44:12.700 John Sandbach: Yes.
00:44:13.120 --> 00:44:17.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and then that it's not something to be ashamed of, or it's not something to
00:44:17.620 --> 00:44:21.550 to to shy away from that. It's something that actually can help us.
00:44:21.720 --> 00:44:22.830 John Sandbach: Mike.
00:44:24.540 --> 00:44:36.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So with the taro do you do individual taro readings, astrological readings. Yes, and on my website, John sandbox.net I have.
00:44:36.670 --> 00:44:42.280 John Sandbach: You could go there to schedule a reading. Yes, II love doing individual taro readings.
00:44:42.630 --> 00:44:44.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful! Wonderful!
00:44:44.640 --> 00:44:50.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I'm Ke, and I'm curious. You you you do, you know so much?
00:44:51.370 --> 00:45:03.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is there one aspect of what you do, whether it's the astrological readings, the taro, the numerology. Is there one thing that you like
00:45:03.890 --> 00:45:09.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: gives you more joy than anything else? Or or is it all sort of equally fun to delve into
00:45:12.430 --> 00:45:19.480 John Sandbach: I really love astrology and Tarot and I'd say that joy is about equal
00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:28.490 John Sandbach: one. I think my big process going on in my life is. I'm moving away from the intellectual
00:45:28.580 --> 00:45:33.289 John Sandbach: and toward the intuitive more and more.
00:45:33.420 --> 00:45:45.969 John Sandbach: And you know, astrology can be very intellectual, you know. They're almost like lawyers the way they put ideas together, you know, and argue for a charge, or something like that, and
00:45:46.510 --> 00:45:50.510 John Sandbach: my readings with astrology have grown more and more watery.
00:45:51.060 --> 00:46:01.109 John Sandbach: The intellectual water is the emotional and the intuitive and feeling. and so II let that flow more and more.
00:46:02.510 --> 00:46:05.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what you need to do that is just trust. Yes.
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:11.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah. Just learning to try and learning to trust what comes out of your mouth.
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:31.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, exactly alright. We we gotta take our last break, and when we come back since this is our last show of the year, I'd love to to know if you have any insight based on astrological readings you've given over the year and and things moving forward. What this past year, astrologically.
00:46:31.850 --> 00:46:40.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, if we can give us, maybe a quick recap. And then what does 2024 look like this astrologically and via the tower? Okay, John.
00:46:40.150 --> 00:46:58.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: okay, that sounds great, awesome. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consult now awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Author John Sandbach, author of the Book Soul journey through the taro, and we will be right back to finish it all up in just a moment.
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:09.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back. So, John, I'm I'm just curious. We don't have a lot of time left, but I'm curious like
00:49:09.340 --> 00:49:22.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: astrologically, numerologically. However, you want to look at it. What has this past year been about in general? And I know, like everyone's chart, is different, and people have different experiences. But just overall.
00:49:22.650 --> 00:49:24.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what has it been about?
00:49:24.990 --> 00:49:27.510 John Sandbach: I think it's been a better restructuring.
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:28.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm!
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:38.099 John Sandbach: And that can mean a breaking apart, because. you know, to restructure something. You have to take it apart first.
00:49:38.260 --> 00:49:39.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:49:39.240 --> 00:49:43.180 John Sandbach: And so, really. there's a lot of chaos going on.
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:45.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that's for sure.
00:49:46.030 --> 00:49:52.109 John Sandbach: And but this chaos is hopefully creating openings
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.979 John Sandbach: for new energy to flow in
00:49:56.070 --> 00:49:57.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that
00:49:57.310 --> 00:50:01.879 John Sandbach: sometimes things have to get bad enough before they get better.
00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:05.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. And I think that's what's going on now.
00:50:07.180 --> 00:50:09.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Got it? So this is
00:50:09.160 --> 00:50:11.330 the storm before the calm.
00:50:11.600 --> 00:50:15.529 John Sandbach: Yes, exactly. exactly. And
00:50:15.850 --> 00:50:26.549 John Sandbach: I feel like what's coming is There is the potential now for all of us to make big spiritual progress.
00:50:26.790 --> 00:50:31.539 John Sandbach: I think rapid evolution is very, very possible right now.
00:50:31.770 --> 00:50:32.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No.
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:38.700 John Sandbach: but if you're not on that wavelength. then the current could drag you under.
00:50:39.710 --> 00:50:45.290 John Sandbach: So you really want to get on that be on that spiritual wavelength? That's very important.
00:50:45.580 --> 00:50:46.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's true.
00:50:47.090 --> 00:51:01.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so any anything of significant in in the chart for 2024 anything that we should be extra mindful about, or any time of the year that looks particularly challenging.
00:51:05.150 --> 00:51:06.700 John Sandbach: And let me look at that one.
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:11.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay. for 2024. You said, yeah, for next year.
00:51:12.020 --> 00:51:23.799 John Sandbach: you know, Pluto is in the very beginning of Aquarius all year. And so we're in the aquarium age now.
00:51:24.500 --> 00:51:30.569 John Sandbach: And Aquarius is about groups. It's about friends. It's about making connections.
00:51:30.810 --> 00:51:34.170 John Sandbach: This is a really important year for connecting
00:51:34.470 --> 00:51:43.119 John Sandbach: one thing that cabalists say is that the most important thing you'll ever do in life
00:51:43.270 --> 00:51:45.839 John Sandbach: is make connections with other people.
00:51:46.540 --> 00:51:49.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This is so important
00:51:49.620 --> 00:51:50.860 John Sandbach: because.
00:51:51.460 --> 00:51:59.850 John Sandbach: as we share our light with each other, we magnify the light. and Aquarius is about groups.
00:52:00.040 --> 00:52:03.520 John Sandbach: It's about friends. and
00:52:03.680 --> 00:52:06.019 John Sandbach: there are groups, and you know
00:52:06.580 --> 00:52:10.840 John Sandbach: and support. Aquarius is very much about about support.
00:52:11.490 --> 00:52:12.930 John Sandbach: And so
00:52:13.930 --> 00:52:17.240 John Sandbach: 2024 is going to be a year of
00:52:18.460 --> 00:52:23.769 John Sandbach: giving and receiving support. That that's what we need to really focus on
00:52:26.270 --> 00:52:28.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Gotcha. Gotcha.
00:52:29.380 --> 00:52:35.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay? Well, I'm I'm sure that that resonates with a lot of people.
00:52:35.420 --> 00:52:39.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if someone's listening.
00:52:39.410 --> 00:52:40.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes.
00:52:40.610 --> 00:52:54.159 John Sandbach: you know. And Aquarius will rules friends. Some of our best friends don't have bodies, you know. It's really good to make friends with angels, with spirit, guides with nature, spirit.
00:52:55.470 --> 00:53:00.289 John Sandbach: and those sorts of beings. So they're included in this
00:53:00.340 --> 00:53:02.990 John Sandbach: friends. And and and of course
00:53:03.100 --> 00:53:08.460 John Sandbach: they are just wanting so much to offer their support to us.
00:53:09.330 --> 00:53:17.040 John Sandbach: So when we reach out for them, ask for their support and open to their support. That can be so empowering.
00:53:17.190 --> 00:53:18.280 John Sandbach: Jazz.
00:53:18.500 --> 00:53:22.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:53:24.090 --> 00:53:32.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I'm just curious for audience. Who maybe that they've heard of the Tauro. They're familiar with astrology, but that they
00:53:32.510 --> 00:53:41.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: they they're not well versed in it, as you and II mean, besides, your book again, soul journey through the taro, which is a wonderful
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:54.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: book, very in depth about all this. How would you recommend if some one has the interest. how to get started like, what's the easy way for someone to dip their toe in this water? A little bit more.
00:53:54.610 --> 00:54:01.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and to start to learn about all this if they've not really taken the time to study it greatly in the past.
00:54:02.990 --> 00:54:04.310 John Sandbach: Well, even though
00:54:04.750 --> 00:54:10.929 John Sandbach: my book is dense. I think it's a wonderful place to start
00:54:11.510 --> 00:54:13.189 John Sandbach: it, and you know
00:54:13.340 --> 00:54:30.099 John Sandbach: I would suggest to people, too, that you don't have to start at the beginning of my book and read it through to the end. This is something you can. Once you're kinda get an idea of the structure of it. You can just kind of dip into it and read parts of it here and there.
00:54:30.910 --> 00:54:36.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and then. CC. Zane's book, The Sacred Terro.
00:54:36.500 --> 00:54:37.950 John Sandbach: That's a great book.
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.290 John Sandbach: That's another good good starting point, I would say.
00:54:42.770 --> 00:54:44.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Gotcha gotcha!
00:54:45.110 --> 00:54:48.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I'm curious. Do you have a daily spiritual practice?
00:54:50.100 --> 00:54:52.390 John Sandbach: Oh, yes. yes.
00:54:53.320 --> 00:55:07.019 John Sandbach: I do transcendental meditation. I love that I got back. I got into that back in the 19 sixties. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who is just
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:11.430 John Sandbach: a marvelous guru, such a brilliant person.
00:55:11.730 --> 00:55:17.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yes, absolutely. I've I've a number of friends who who are way into Tm, and
00:55:17.900 --> 00:55:21.369 John Sandbach: do you what? What kind of spiritual practice do you do
00:55:21.380 --> 00:55:39.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: II have some ceremonial work that I do, and I meditate formal meditation, but the ceremonial work is is what in particular, and it's healing work for me, and II work with people as well so
00:55:39.120 --> 00:55:41.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: wonderful. That's really
00:55:41.740 --> 00:55:52.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: my life's calling as much as I love running the station and doing my show and the other things that I do, that's all to support the more spiritual work that I do. Yes.
00:55:53.130 --> 00:55:59.579 John Sandbach: now I have to. We could do this after the show, but I've gotta get your chart information because I wanna know
00:55:59.810 --> 00:56:08.580 John Sandbach: whether you're 2 or 3 Pisces. I looked up 3 Pisces and the image, for that is an eye gazing out of the top of a pyramid.
00:56:08.720 --> 00:56:09.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh.
00:56:09.970 --> 00:56:12.960 John Sandbach: and somehow, I bet that's probably what it is.
00:56:13.220 --> 00:56:15.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, that's that sounds good, too.
00:56:16.110 --> 00:56:29.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright. Well, we I apologize that. You know we have to finish up the show now, but if if people want to get in touch with you. Learn about you. Book a session with you. How would they do that? Oh, John Sandbox.
00:56:29.220 --> 00:56:38.689 John Sandbach: and also go and use my oracle because there's an oracle there where you can ask questions, and it will pull from this to buy in book
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:40.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: screen answers.
00:56:40.460 --> 00:56:41.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: oh, cool.
00:56:42.560 --> 00:57:11.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: wonderful, wonderful! Alright! And that's John JOHN. Sandbox, SAND, BACH NET net. John, thank you so much for coming on my show today. It was a pleasure to have you. This has been really great. Yeah, III felt like this would be a good way to to finish off the year. And and you do not disappoint here you're wonderful. Thank you so much.
00:57:11.900 --> 00:57:14.070 John Sandbach: Well, thank you. Sam.
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:32.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: absolutely. And again I most certainly will hang on for a minute again. His book soul journey through the taro. It's a wonderful book. It's it's over. Oh, it's on. Kindle to wonderful. You can get it on Amazon. We'll have the link.
00:57:32.380 --> 00:57:55.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In the show notes. It's it's a great primer, it it has so much in here, and even some unexpected stuff. Which for me is always a nice treat when I hit something. So unexpected! And of course II didn't get a chance to shout out my! Our loyal listeners, Patty and Sinai, as always. I so appreciate you both.
00:57:55.940 --> 00:57:58.310 Patty says I have many decks.
00:57:58.730 --> 00:58:07.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but I always go back to my first. I gave readings that were right on, but stopped. Yeah, that was me. My first deck was the Aquarium Taro, and I always loved that deck.
00:58:07.780 --> 00:58:26.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and Sonia says I witnessed a card reading, and I had overwhelming sense that the person wasn't expressing her truth. I wanted to jump in there and tell her the rest. But it was awkward. Yeah, sometimes you gotta be. I think I'll have some discernment when you select who you get a reading from. I'm a big believer
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:48.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: sometimes it's hard to say what you need to say. Yes. Well, thank you all so much. Remember, if you missed any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talk radio dot, Nyc, and if you wanna listen to the podcast afterwards, it's, we're on all the major podcasting platforms, apple, Google, stitcher, spotify oops, stitcher doesn't exist anymore. Spotify Pindorio.
00:58:48.260 --> 00:59:15.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you all so much for tuning in, remember the station, we still have our our Frank show tonight and our Friday shows tomorrow. But then the station we're just gonna be running repeats. For the next 2 weeks. We, as is our tradition, to take off the last 2 weeks of the year? To have a little break. But we will be back in the first week of January, January second will be kicking off the year with Dr. Mira Brandu. Show the hard skills and
00:59:15.690 --> 00:59:29.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: stay tuned and and join our newsletter on our website because we will be announcing some new shows on the network in the early part of next year. So thank you all for tuning in. We will talk to you in 2024. Take care, everyone.
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