Thursdays 11:00am - 12:00pm (EDT)
WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
The importance of engaging history through art and music as a means to enhance curriculum standards.
EPISODE SUMMARY:
Reggie Harris is a songwriter, storyteller, and lecturer who engages all the senses to help expand the knowledge base in the fields of music, history, and the social sciences.
He has helped teachers, students and community leaders to become more effective agents and advocates of student-based learning. Reggie's workshops include but are not limited to: I HAVE A DREAM: HOW MARTIN CLIMBED THE MOUNTAIN; MUSIC AND THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD; and RACE AND SONG: A MUSICAL CONVERSATION AMONG TWO FRIENDS.
Join Rev. Dr. TLC and Reggie Harris as they discuss his passion for music, storytelling, and history. Learn about Reggie's work with the Living Legacy Project, which offers pilgrimages across the south to gain first hand knowledge about the Civil Rights Movement.
https://reggieharrismusic.com/
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Dr. TLC begins by commemorating the one-year anniversary of her groundbreaking book, "Dismantle Racism." Experience the transformative power of Dr. TLC's guided meditations on iTunes, designed to accompany the book. Rev. Dr. TLC begins with a customary meditation. She then addresses the recent Ralph Yarl shooting and its racial repercussions. By drawing comparisons to Aiden Ellison and Ahmad Arbery, she explores the irrational and historically rooted fear of black men. Tune in to today's episode as Dr. TLC explores the origins of this fear in our society.
Dr. TLC is joined by special guest Reggie Harris, a songwriter, storyteller, and lecturer. Reggie's work spans music, history, and social sciences, engaging all the senses to broaden our knowledge. Dr. TLC explores Reggie's perspective on the fear of black men, particularly in today's political climate where Reggie feels increasingly concerned for his well-being. He shares his bewilderment at being perceived as a threat by men younger, taller, and stronger than him. This fear has deeply ingrained itself into our culture, despite decades of evidence contradicting it. Dr. TLC also opens up about her own experience of paranoia while driving through a conservative white neighborhood, highlighting the mutual fear that exists. Reggie riffs off of Dr. TLC and shares a story of his own.
Reggie graciously shares insights into his work and teachings. As an international touring artist, he considers himself blessed to have the opportunity to spread knowledge of history through stories and songs worldwide. Reggie candidly acknowledges the impact that the color of his skin has on audience reception. He delves into the profound power of storytelling, explaining how humans are instinctively wired to construct narratives. Through songs and stories, a unique form of learning emerges, transcending traditional education by engaging both the mind and spirit. Reggie takes a moment to share the meaningful lyrics of one of his songs, providing a deeper understanding of its significance.
Reggie enthusiastically shares details about The Living Legacy project, encouraging the audience to get involved and highlighting what they can anticipate. For comprehensive information about programs and their mission, interested individuals can visit livinglegacypilgrimage.org. Reggie elaborates on the enriching pilgrimages organized by Living Legacy, emphasizing the opportunity for participants to learn not only from the pilgrimage itself but also from the diverse stories shared by fellow participants. The upcoming pilgrimage, a two-day journey to Alabama and Atlanta, is set to commence in July, and registration is available on the aforementioned website. Dr. TLC takes a moment to express gratitude for Reggie's impactful work. To connect with Reggie, please visit reggieharrismusic.com.
00:00:47.670 --> 00:01:17.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello, and welcome to the dismantle Racism show. I'm your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc. The goal of this show is to uncover, dismantle and to eradicate racism. We really do want to create a world where racial equity exist for everyone. I want to invite you please, if you have not done so, to subscribe to the show, to tell your friends about the show, to leave us comments about the show. If you're watching, live, please be sure.
00:01:17.670 --> 00:01:30.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or on Facebook or Youtube, to make your comments, as the show is airing, and if you're watching it later on, I want to invite you to still leave your comments and your questions as always.
00:01:30.170 --> 00:01:44.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when I invite you to go to Sacred intelligence.com. Send me a note about what you think about the show, who you might like to see on the show. If you have a guest in mind, I would encourage you to please. Please, please let me know.
00:01:44.670 --> 00:01:49.020 I do want to just say, before we begin to the show.
00:01:49.360 --> 00:01:58.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This is one year since the launch of my book, dismantling racism, healing separation from the inside out.
00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:17.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If you've not gotten your copy, I want to invite you to please make sure that you do so because it will help you on your journey to dismantle racism. There's so many things that happen week after week that really it makes this road sometimes daunting for us.
00:02:17.640 --> 00:02:28.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But there are some kernels in my book that will help you to continue the journey, so I hope that you will go out and get it, and then to a company, the book. I also have a
00:02:28.600 --> 00:02:46.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a playlist of the meditations that are in the book. I've made them into a a CD. You can go on itunes Amazon, Google, play anywhere. You get your music from where you stream, so that you will have meditations as well to help you
00:02:46.930 --> 00:02:55.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: through this process, particularly to help you to understand that you are not alone in walking this journey to dismantle Racism
00:02:55.910 --> 00:03:13.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: really excited today. What for the things that we're going to talk about with my guests, Reggie Harris. I'll introduce him a little bit later, but for now I want to begin the show, as I always do, by inviting us into a time of meditation. So if you would.
00:03:13.130 --> 00:03:22.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I simply invite you to close your eyes if you are able to. If you are driving, please don't close your eyes, but just listen to the words.
00:03:22.610 --> 00:03:28.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and just begin to breathe deeply in
00:03:29.510 --> 00:03:31.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and out.
00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:36.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Take some really deep breaths in and try to hold them.
00:03:38.730 --> 00:03:40.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then release.
00:03:41.870 --> 00:03:44.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: becoming conscious of your breath.
00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:54.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: giving gratitude for your breath. knowing that it is a sign that you are in the land of the living.
00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:09.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and knowing that it is a sign that spirit. divine wisdom. grace. love. power. compassion.
00:04:10.100 --> 00:04:16.329 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: kindness. and intelligence, all exist inside of you.
00:04:18.010 --> 00:04:22.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just breathe in and out, very deeply
00:04:24.520 --> 00:04:31.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: given thanks for your courage. your commitment. your concern.
00:04:34.540 --> 00:04:38.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just breathe in and out.
00:04:40.940 --> 00:04:45.920 recognizing that you are surrounded by so many people
00:04:46.310 --> 00:04:49.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who desire to in racism.
00:04:51.450 --> 00:04:53.260 who desire
00:04:53.350 --> 00:04:54.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: racial equity.
00:04:56.690 --> 00:05:00.980 breathe in and out, recognizing that there are more people
00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:03.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who desire this.
00:05:03.310 --> 00:05:05.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: then those people who don't
00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:08.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you are one of the many.
00:05:09.540 --> 00:05:11.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and what you do matters
00:05:14.380 --> 00:05:19.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breath in and out, connecting with each of those people known
00:05:19.220 --> 00:05:20.780 an unknown.
00:05:22.260 --> 00:05:31.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with the people who came before you. has always given gratitude for the shoulders that you stand on.
00:05:35.570 --> 00:05:40.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Give gratitude for those people who are present
00:05:40.710 --> 00:05:43.590 in your life who immediately
00:05:43.850 --> 00:05:48.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: surround you. I love you. support you.
00:05:52.510 --> 00:05:55.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just breathe in and out.
00:05:58.630 --> 00:06:03.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your own sacred intelligence
00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:14.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that divine part of you that helps you to manifest your greatness. while simultaneously helping others
00:06:15.180 --> 00:06:17.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to manifest their greatness.
00:06:21.990 --> 00:06:23.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take a deep breath in
00:06:25.770 --> 00:06:28.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: slowly exhaling it.
00:06:29.730 --> 00:06:36.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that the power of one contributes to the power of community.
00:06:37.380 --> 00:06:42.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you have the ability to change the status quo.
00:06:45.210 --> 00:06:48.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So give gratitude for yourself one more time.
00:06:49.440 --> 00:06:53.730 and commit to walking the sacred intelligence journey of faith
00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:55.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to dismantle racism.
00:06:57.550 --> 00:07:00.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: commit to learning what you don't know
00:07:02.380 --> 00:07:04.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in commit to walking.
00:07:06.440 --> 00:07:08.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: despite fear
00:07:09.830 --> 00:07:11.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to advocate for change.
00:07:14.390 --> 00:07:16.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'll take another deep breath in.
00:07:18.110 --> 00:07:19.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sigh it out.
00:07:21.140 --> 00:07:29.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we saying so. It is a sh. and then and let's begin.
00:07:35.070 --> 00:07:36.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I love it.
00:07:36.550 --> 00:07:51.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This has really been a difficult week. In many ways it's been for me. It's been a a joyous week, because I've had some celebrations, including my own birthday. And so that's been wonderful.
00:07:51.500 --> 00:07:57.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And at the same time, when I look at what's going on in this country, my heart breaks.
00:07:59.140 --> 00:08:06.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and i'm specifically thinking about Raff Yarl. a teenager. an honor student
00:08:07.030 --> 00:08:12.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who was a few days ago shot in Kansas City, Missouri. Why?
00:08:12.540 --> 00:08:22.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because a white man feared him. Fear this young man who knocked on his door because he mistook
00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this person's house for someone else's just to pick up his siblings.
00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:36.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A young man who couldn't even just walk down the street without worrying about being shot Thankfully.
00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:38.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: he is alive.
00:08:40.169 --> 00:08:41.340 Not so
00:08:41.510 --> 00:08:43.429 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for Aiden Allison.
00:08:43.940 --> 00:08:52.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who was shot by a white man and Ashlyn organ in 2,020, simply because he would not turn his music down.
00:08:53.850 --> 00:08:57.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Not so for a MoD aren't. We who was killed
00:08:58.010 --> 00:09:00.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in February of 2,020
00:09:01.070 --> 00:09:13.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in New it, near Brunswick, Georgia. These are just 3 of the many names that I could call of individuals who were not shot by the police.
00:09:13.520 --> 00:09:20.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who are not brutalized by the police, but simply because someone for your Why?
00:09:20.970 --> 00:09:24.290 Because of their black skin, because they are black men.
00:09:24.530 --> 00:09:28.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and to me it is the same thing as lynching
00:09:30.780 --> 00:09:33.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Black man's lives. Don't matter.
00:09:33.710 --> 00:09:44.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I can say really and truly my life, even as a woman doesn't seem to matter as well. But I know for certain that the world fears black men. Why?
00:09:45.110 --> 00:09:46.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Why?
00:09:47.090 --> 00:09:48.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Why?
00:09:48.290 --> 00:09:58.270 Because that message is sent over and over and over again that you must fear black men Also, because we don't understand our history.
00:09:58.870 --> 00:10:09.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We don't take the time to stop to think about how it's equated with lynching. We don't take the time to think about how mass incarceration it's connected with
00:10:09.800 --> 00:10:13.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the demise of black men.
00:10:14.350 --> 00:10:18.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and one wonders why people fear black men.
00:10:20.610 --> 00:10:23.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I wonder if it's because
00:10:24.990 --> 00:10:29.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: does the world think? Do white people in particular think
00:10:30.110 --> 00:10:37.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that black men are going to do the things to them that have been done to black men for so long.
00:10:38.270 --> 00:10:39.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is that the fear?
00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:42.300 What is it
00:10:43.540 --> 00:10:52.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'm gonna invite you? The listeners to really think about? If you fear black man, why is that the case, even if you are a black or brown person.
00:10:52.940 --> 00:11:05.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you for your black men? Because, let's let's make no mistake about it. There is internalized racism, but one. It is important for you to recognize that fear, and then recognize where that fear comes from.
00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:15.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's why it's important for you to know your history. That's why it's important to look at the messages that are sent to us in society.
00:11:15.510 --> 00:11:23.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There are subtle messages that are not so subtle. We turn on the news, and we hear about black men being suspects all the time.
00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: even when they haven't done anything.
00:11:27.500 --> 00:11:28.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: treat it
00:11:28.430 --> 00:11:41.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as criminals. So I wonder today, Are you willing to learn your history? Are you willing to really closely examine what the fear is of black men?
00:11:41.750 --> 00:11:45.100 What do you think they are going to do to you?
00:11:47.560 --> 00:11:56.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's the question. Because when a young boy 16 years old can't walk and ring the doorbell
00:11:57.860 --> 00:12:05.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of an individual's home, and that individual pulls out a gun without any questions asked because they were afraid.
00:12:07.520 --> 00:12:10.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What does that say about society.
00:12:12.010 --> 00:12:24.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and let's not make excuses about it? Let's not say it was an age thing, and they fear because he was a teenager. We don't hear about young white boys being killed in the same way do we.
00:12:25.160 --> 00:12:32.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a white man being killed in the same way? And i'm not saying that white men don't have their fears as well.
00:12:33.900 --> 00:12:35.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's a different fear.
00:12:36.010 --> 00:12:49.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I want to invite you today, as you're listening to the show as we're talking about ways of learning about our history, because we're going to figure out some really dynamic ways of hearing about our history. Figure out what it means to you.
00:12:49.220 --> 00:12:52.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And how do you make it relevant to today?
00:12:53.230 --> 00:12:56.210 When we return from our commercial break.
00:12:56.340 --> 00:13:09.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'm going to welcome to the show Reggie Harris, he's, earned distinctions as one of the foremost interpreters of song leaders of the music of the Underground railroad and the modern civil rights movement.
00:13:09.270 --> 00:13:24.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with a passion for peace and justice, ready travels worldwide, using his gifts to share hope and raise awareness of human rights in the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King's beloved community.
00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:32.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Reggie will tell us a little bit later how you can find out more about him, and how you can get him
00:13:32.680 --> 00:13:33.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to column
00:13:34.040 --> 00:13:37.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: be a part of telling stories of history.
00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:54.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He does it mostly, and I believe in the school system, and he performs elsewhere. But Reggie will tell us a little bit more about him. So after the break, I want to welcome to the show Reggie Harris. This is the dismantled racism show, and we'll be right back.
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00:16:09.700 --> 00:16:15.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: welcome back to the dismantled racism show. I want to welcome my guest today.
00:16:15.470 --> 00:16:31.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Reggie Harris. Welcome, welcome, welcome! I only told them a bit of what you do, because you know your songwriter historian, you work for living legacy project which I didn't say there. But we want to talk about it. But
00:16:31.040 --> 00:16:32.630 but branching before I do.
00:16:33.130 --> 00:16:37.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I really want to ask you your thoughts
00:16:38.040 --> 00:16:44.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as a black man, as a person who identifies, I believe, as a black man. I do.
00:16:45.540 --> 00:16:50.990 What are your thoughts about what I said during the opening and the fear
00:16:51.420 --> 00:16:53.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of black men.
00:16:53.700 --> 00:16:58.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Can you share a little bit about what was going through your mind when I was saying
00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: saying all of that, and how you identify it or not with it.
00:17:02.990 --> 00:17:07.849 Reggie Harris: Well, first of all, let me say thank you for having me, and thank you for
00:17:07.930 --> 00:17:10.930 that very powerful opening, which
00:17:11.250 --> 00:17:18.819 Reggie Harris: I I really need it this morning in terms of getting my heart and so calm.
00:17:19.130 --> 00:17:26.329 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It is a challenging, challenging time, I've said often in the last few years, and particularly the last 2 and a half
00:17:26.940 --> 00:17:33.950 Reggie Harris: I have never felt with in all of my years, less safe traveling in this nation.
00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:41.670 and I've been through some tough times with my 40 plus years of touring to remote places in America.
00:17:41.790 --> 00:17:49.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but I have never felt less safe as a black man, and particularly the the incidents that you brought up.
00:17:49.370 --> 00:18:08.630 Reggie Harris: I find myself in a lot of situations where either lost or making a wrong turn, or in a strange town where I have to think in a moment about You know the GPS is not enough, and I think well, maybe I should just stop at this place, this house.
00:18:08.630 --> 00:18:21.440 Reggie Harris: ring the doorbell I I see in all of these walking on the street in, you know, in any place no one was Louisiana or my not in North Dakota.
00:18:21.600 --> 00:18:30.090 Reggie Harris: What you say is very, very true, and I have felt over the course of years greatly at risk
00:18:30.190 --> 00:18:34.620 Reggie Harris: from people who, for no apparent reason.
00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:50.270 Reggie Harris: find me threatening. Now some of these people tower over me in size and are younger than me, and in you know the ability to body able ableeness.
00:18:50.380 --> 00:18:53.690 There, there's no logic to this fear.
00:18:53.760 --> 00:19:04.630 Reggie Harris: except, as you say, it is permeated by decades and decades and decades of information. I think you made a tremendously cogent point
00:19:04.690 --> 00:19:09.280 about the fact that this has been seeded into our culture.
00:19:09.290 --> 00:19:24.440 Reggie Harris: and as you read the history, and certainly in my work with the Living Legacy project, taking people to places like the Equal Justice, Initiative, Peace and Justice Museum and the Jackson Civil Rights Museum, and the National historic Civil Rights Museum.
00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:33.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to look at the images of what has been done to black men since the before this nation was a nation.
00:19:33.340 --> 00:19:36.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and to have us portrayed
00:19:36.430 --> 00:19:42.100 Reggie Harris: in the light of that very well-documented history, as being the threat.
00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:44.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is is remarkable
00:19:44.660 --> 00:19:48.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: isn't it mind-boggling right that this country
00:19:48.890 --> 00:19:59.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: has brutal. It's been brutal to us. Yeah, Our our people have been brutalized, and yet we're the ones feared. It's all socialization. It's strategic isn't it
00:19:59.360 --> 00:20:04.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it at like you. You better fear them. And I believe
00:20:04.980 --> 00:20:07.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that a part of that fear is thinking like
00:20:07.900 --> 00:20:19.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're going to turn. We're going to. We're going to at some point not be so forgiving, and it just turned and say, hey, i'm going to take back, and we don't even have that sort of
00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:28.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that isn't even our thing. We don't even talk about. Let's take revenge. And even in our communities, because what we talk about in our community
00:20:28.450 --> 00:20:40.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we talk about love. I know that about constantly and consistently. People think that we're out to to like, get them, or something, or
00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:52.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is preposterous. I think it was a brother Cornell West, who who said, in truth, you know black folks have been teaching America about love, or trying to teach America about love for 400 years.
00:20:52.990 --> 00:21:11.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and the lesson apparently carried out in history books and carried out in social media and carried out in just a 1 million ways, has disarmed that message despite years and years and years of examples
00:21:11.170 --> 00:21:22.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of having some of the most vibrant leaders of of love and the examples of love postered up in American history
00:21:24.860 --> 00:21:25.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: until
00:21:26.760 --> 00:21:37.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I find it really interesting, and and we are going to get to the work that you do. But since we're talking about this, and I was trying to find James Baldwin's quote. He, because he has a great quote on
00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: love as well.
00:21:40.910 --> 00:21:48.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but he kind of describes love as a war. Actually, it's a battle. It's a war. It's growing up like, you know, because he's
00:21:48.970 --> 00:21:55.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: he was just so profound in his his ways of describing things. But
00:21:55.950 --> 00:21:57.190 Reggie, it's
00:21:57.300 --> 00:22:01.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: does not go unnoticed. That, given
00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:05.160 what you have seen in your lifetime.
00:22:06.550 --> 00:22:10.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that the last 2 and a half years are the most fearful for you.
00:22:10.710 --> 00:22:14.080 and I think people need to hear that that is significant.
00:22:14.100 --> 00:22:19.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We have lived through a time. I know I was born in the sixtys.
00:22:19.670 --> 00:22:22.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I understood all about Jim Crow.
00:22:23.300 --> 00:22:31.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We've lived during a time where we know that there are certain places we can go in certain places we cannot go. but now there are no holes barred
00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:36.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: each of those individuals that I mentioned. They live in different parts of the world.
00:22:37.260 --> 00:22:43.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I I live in New England, and I think I may have shared this on the show before, but one day
00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.710 I got off the road to get some gas.
00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:52.420 Reggie Harris: I thought that I would go back the way I came, despite what the GPS said.
00:22:52.530 --> 00:23:10.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, I realized when I started going back to where I came. I couldn't just get back on the road, and it took me all the way around, and I started seeing the the streets blinked by American flags. Now there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself.
00:23:11.140 --> 00:23:22.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: except where I live in this part of the world. When I see a whole bunch of American flags flanking the road, it says something to me because the flag isn't what it used to be. No?
00:23:23.030 --> 00:23:24.010 Reggie Harris: Then
00:23:24.120 --> 00:23:26.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it dispersed between the flags
00:23:26.820 --> 00:23:29.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: was the was the police
00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:30.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: flags.
00:23:31.580 --> 00:23:32.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know.
00:23:33.010 --> 00:23:37.440 Reggie Harris: And I said, oh, Lord, where am I? Let me get back on the highway?
00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:43.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because, see, we have to think about that all the time, because I don't know the area that i'm in.
00:23:43.820 --> 00:23:52.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I can't even sit in my car and have a conversation with a friend, particularly at night, in certain parts of
00:23:52.810 --> 00:23:58.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this area that I live in, because I don't know if all the cops on me. Those are very real things.
00:23:58.940 --> 00:24:02.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So if people don't understand history
00:24:03.870 --> 00:24:07.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and current day history. Yeah.
00:24:07.760 --> 00:24:11.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Then, they don't understand why we are in fear.
00:24:11.840 --> 00:24:14.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and they don't understand their own behavior.
00:24:14.790 --> 00:24:25.480 I just shared a story with some friends last week a colleague of mine we were. We were performing in Asheville, North Carolina, and
00:24:25.620 --> 00:24:40.830 we got into a conversation about our guitars, and he told me that he had brought his extra guitar, because nearby, as he described it, there was a Luther, and it's one guy that he had discovered was really excellent.
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:57.560 and he said. You know i'm going to take my guitar to have this guy look at it and and fix a couple of problems, and if you want to go along. I'll introduce you in case you need some further guitar work. And I thought, oh, yeah, great opportunity. We left Ashland, North Carolina, and he said, you know it's just a short drive.
00:24:57.590 --> 00:25:16.520 www.TalkRadio.nyc: Well, long story short, we got off the highway, and I figured we were close. We went down a two-lane road. I figured we were close. We got off of the 2 Lane road and went to a dirt road. And now we're driving on a dirt road. I'm seeing American flags. I'm. Seeing Confederate flags, i'm seeing
00:25:16.520 --> 00:25:22.410 Reggie Harris: Barnes with targets on the side of them. We are continuing to drive into this place.
00:25:22.470 --> 00:25:36.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He's white I'm Black and I had no way. We had no cell service. I had no way to communicate with him to say, how much far are we going, and Where exactly are we? The fear in me is beginning to ratchet up because I know my reality.
00:25:37.220 --> 00:25:41.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He is he's unaware of my reality at that point.
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:54.650 Reggie Harris: and so long. Story short, we finally up a hill around the bin, and we finally get to this place, and I get out of the car, and I am absolutely flustered and a little angry.
00:25:54.800 --> 00:25:57.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He looked at me and he said, what's the problem?
00:25:57.850 --> 00:25:59.940 And we had a little chat
00:26:00.060 --> 00:26:05.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to talk about these things. Yeah.
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:07.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah.
00:26:07.820 --> 00:26:26.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Reggie, I I feel you completely. I was just in Mississippi, and we were on a back road as well. I was showing my my child. I wanted to show my child some of my child childhood. You know where I grew up, and all this other stuff, and we were on this one road start seeing all these
00:26:26.510 --> 00:26:46.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in addition to a a flag, a trunk flag, this, this flying, and we're like, okay. So this road looks a little differently than I remember. So you know, and we kept saying how much longer till we get to the main road to the Bay road. Are we all right, and and you start. Let your memory starts playing on you like an I on the right road.
00:26:46.170 --> 00:26:48.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so these are our daily
00:26:48.870 --> 00:27:07.620 Reggie Harris: experiences it so I hope everything turned. It looks like everything turned out okay with you with your story. It it yeah, it turned out very well. And but you know what really turned out well was that I was able to talk to him, and he knows history, and as a matter of fact, we we do a a performance together called deeper than the skin.
00:27:07.630 --> 00:27:16.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: talking about how our our separate narratives of he being white and raised in Richmond, Virginia, and me being black raised in. You know, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
00:27:16.860 --> 00:27:20.290 how our lives, born 3 days apart
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:22.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: have been so dramatically different.
00:27:23.030 --> 00:27:31.580 Reggie Harris: and and I was able to just share with him what I was thinking during that drive which was not what he was thinking during that drive. Of course not. Yeah.
00:27:31.630 --> 00:27:35.140 no, it's interested in Reggie. We do have to take break.
00:27:35.380 --> 00:27:41.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What's really interesting is that no matter how
00:27:41.970 --> 00:27:44.860 sensitive people are to our journey.
00:27:45.090 --> 00:27:51.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: folks who have skin that's different from ours, and no matter how much work they are doing
00:27:52.320 --> 00:27:53.590 in the journey.
00:27:54.110 --> 00:27:55.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that there's still
00:27:56.100 --> 00:28:00.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this unawareness there's still this place
00:28:00.820 --> 00:28:03.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that he didn't even give it a second thought.
00:28:03.510 --> 00:28:13.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and there's a place where people who don't understand what it's like to walk in our shoes. They take for granted that they can do certain things, and and it didn't even occur to him
00:28:14.370 --> 00:28:15.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to say, Reggie.
00:28:15.990 --> 00:28:20.450 we're going to be going through some places that might look a little scary.
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and that's why we have to raise the consciousness repeatedly.
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:45.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I don't say this to keep people from doing the work, because I want people to do the work, because somebody out there might be saying, Well, how do I keep trying? If I keep the make a mistake. Yes, we are all going to keep making mistakes right even in the areas that we think we're really good at. But there's this. There's this place where I think that
00:28:45.770 --> 00:29:03.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that white people in particular who are doing this work sometimes feel like, and I know this because of what white people said to me. They get angry at other white people for not being where they are, and they still need to recognize that we may. You still have a lot more to, because you can never completely walk in this
00:29:03.580 --> 00:29:06.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for him not to know that after you've just explained to me
00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:13.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that the 2 of you perform together, you talk about how your your lives are, and he grew up in the south.
00:29:13.840 --> 00:29:24.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Nothing away from him. But it's just a point of awareness to just say
00:29:24.940 --> 00:29:27.310 simply, Check in with us
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:29.400 right?
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:38.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, we have to take a quick break and Reg. When we come back. I I want you to talk a little bit about your storytelling and some of the programs you do, and
00:29:38.340 --> 00:29:54.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and how it helps, you know, educationally with the young ones, and how it helps us as adults to be able to to understand history. So we're going to be right back to continue our conversation with Brad. You, Harris, this is the dismantle Racism show. I'm your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc.
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00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:09.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with the dismantled racism. So before the break, I I ask you to to come back and to talk about your storytelling, your songwriting, your educating.
00:32:09.450 --> 00:32:13.800 Tell us a little bit about what you do when you're traveling the world.
00:32:14.300 --> 00:32:34.140 Reggie Harris: Well, I tell you I I feel so very blessed and honored to be able to use gifts that I've been given a gift of a voice, a gift of a a talent to tell stories, the ability to take history and create
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:48.270 Reggie Harris: an atmosphere of learning for young people and for not so young people for seasoned people. I tour around America. I toured internationally, telling stories and singing songs
00:32:48.370 --> 00:32:53.870 Reggie Harris: of our history, and that's not just black people's history. It's of all of our history.
00:32:53.880 --> 00:33:07.830 Reggie Harris: and I will tell you I didn't start out to do this when I picked up the guitar back in the 19 eighties, and when my then partner, wife and I struck out on the road
00:33:07.830 --> 00:33:25.340 Reggie Harris: all we really wanted was to sing our love songs and have audiences go yay, and be thrilled with our presence, and to get rich and famous. I think, looking at those performers that we so idolised. I had this, you know the same
00:33:25.340 --> 00:33:31.350 a glorified feeling about what really mattered in the world, but we hit the road.
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:42.920 Reggie Harris: and suddenly both of our eyes were open to the fact that first of all, everywhere we went the color of our skin made a difference in terms of how the audiences accepted us or did not.
00:33:42.940 --> 00:33:51.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and it certainly made a difference in traveling through this great nation. First came the anchor and the frustration.
00:33:51.840 --> 00:34:07.930 Reggie Harris: But then we looked at each other, and we said, we have a couple of choices here, and one of the choices is to learn ourselves. Why it is that these people are so afraid. And so you know, unaware of what it is, we're trying to do
00:34:08.100 --> 00:34:22.929 Reggie Harris: so. Having the skills to sing songs. We began to research and sing songs about the underground railroad, about the civil rights movement, about things that would enlighten and make people more aware of what the true history is.
00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:38.170 Reggie Harris: So these days, I feel all these years later, very, very blessed to be able to visit schools, museums, churches, synagogues, to do concert performances in big halls in small little art centers.
00:34:38.260 --> 00:34:53.480 Reggie Harris: I travel to places all around this nation and internationally, and the message basically, is that we are, as you have said earlier, we are truly one people
00:34:53.730 --> 00:34:56.650 Reggie Harris: of very, very different gifts.
00:34:56.710 --> 00:35:06.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So the songs and stories that I do, I. Years ago I had the opportunity to get connected to the Kennedy Center in Washington, DC.
00:35:06.170 --> 00:35:20.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They were beginning a program called Changing Education through the Arts, and I was one of the first 7 artists that was adopted into that program to teach those of us who were artists how to work with educators.
00:35:20.120 --> 00:35:37.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how to make curriculum connections with songs, stories, painting, You know any of the artistic disciplines, and I've done that work now for 45 years in addition. Can Can you pause there for a second. Yes, and so tell us a little bit more how
00:35:38.090 --> 00:35:50.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know the song. The storytelling through song helps students to learn, and it helps the educators to be able to paint a picture of
00:35:50.430 --> 00:35:53.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of just history in a different way.
00:35:53.610 --> 00:36:09.370 Reggie Harris: Well, we know from first of all history and tradition, but also from research that human beings are hardwired for story and for song. and and we are whole beings that need a variety of ways in which to learn.
00:36:09.670 --> 00:36:14.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So we know that the arts, and particularly singing and storytelling.
00:36:15.050 --> 00:36:33.230 Reggie Harris: unlocks a kind of learning in individuals that doesn't happen in other ways. It it it resonates with the spirit, but it also triggers the mind in very important ways to help people to first of all open themselves to new information.
00:36:33.250 --> 00:36:41.020 Reggie Harris: and then, having been open to that new information, it gives us an opportunity to really connect with our personal story.
00:36:41.110 --> 00:36:58.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, what is it about the world that is connective to us. So in classrooms, all over the country and in other interactions, you know, lectures. And what have you? I have been through my training, and through my experience able
00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:08.140 www.TalkRadio.nyc: to provide programs, one on the Underground Railroad, one called how Martin climbed the mountain, focusing on Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. And the Civil Rights Movement.
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:17.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: also a program that I do in collaboration with a friend from Boston called Race and Song, where we use music
00:37:17.090 --> 00:37:21.310 www.TalkRadio.nyc: to unlock the difficulty that we often have in talking about race.
00:37:21.510 --> 00:37:25.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and the difficulty that we have in talking about history.
00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:33.680 Reggie Harris: You know we are all, and you touched on this earlier. We are all loaded with a lot of information and misinformation.
00:37:33.910 --> 00:37:39.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and sometimes, if you don't have the skills, or particularly for younger students.
00:37:39.630 --> 00:37:48.890 Reggie Harris: they're not scaled at analyzing that information. They're not skilled at telling what is right, what is wrong, what you know. So these programs that I do
00:37:49.030 --> 00:37:56.180 www.TalkRadio.nyc: are designed to dig under the surface and to get people energised first of all, just around learning.
00:37:56.350 --> 00:38:14.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then, secondly, about interconnection with other. You know human beings, other people and the world at large. You know it's so interesting because songs, if we even think about jingles from commercials that get us drawn in. But as you were talking, I was thinking about
00:38:15.470 --> 00:38:19.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you. Do you remember it? Did you ever see this song?
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:39.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Them bones dump bones, them dry bones? So yeah, and and and the way that, you know, they start out talking about the toe bone being connected to the foot bones of the ankle bone like it. It really made you think about anatomically how the body works, or even thinking about like doing my error. We had Schoolhouse Rock.
00:38:39.180 --> 00:38:40.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, yeah.
00:38:41.120 --> 00:38:50.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: like. you know. And so i'm thinking about you teaching about the the Underground railroad, or how Martin
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:53.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: climb the mountain. Could you
00:38:53.770 --> 00:39:00.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: maybe just give us a couple of the lyrics from one or 2 of the songs that you do to kind of give us a picture of
00:39:01.050 --> 00:39:08.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what students are hearing about. Well, many of your listeners will be aware of the song weighed in the water.
00:39:09.080 --> 00:39:27.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: which was a song. I grew up singing in my church, and as a young person, the only thing I knew was that they were singing this song about walking through water. I had no idea the people in my church didn't know that this was one of the songs that was used by people who were escaping from slavery.
00:39:27.240 --> 00:39:40.020 Reggie Harris: It was a song that was a song of faith, and still is a song of faith, talking about the the amazing opportunity to be delivered from oppression, whatever that oppression is.
00:39:40.030 --> 00:39:47.030 www.TalkRadio.nyc: And we have the Biblical story of the Jews coming out of Egypt and getting to the Red Sea.
00:39:47.090 --> 00:39:54.610 www.TalkRadio.nyc: and having themselves between the Egyptian army and the Red Sea, and and being able to triumph because of that miracle that happened.
00:39:54.680 --> 00:40:01.280 www.TalkRadio.nyc: Well, the fact of the matter is that miracles happen for people who are running away from slavery simply because they remembered
00:40:01.600 --> 00:40:10.350 www.TalkRadio.nyc: wait in the water. God's gonna trouble the water. They remember that water we
00:40:10.450 --> 00:40:19.320 Reggie Harris: every single day that, as human beings would need water to drink, that song reminded them on their journey that they needed to get fresh water, since they couldn't carry enough.
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:26.870 Reggie Harris: The song reminded them also that fish live in the water. Animals come to the water to drink. So you've got a potential food source.
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:32.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They also were reminded by that song that once the master found out that they had escaped.
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:37.940 www.TalkRadio.nyc: and that they were moving toward freedom. The Master was going to try to find them.
00:40:38.040 --> 00:40:43.230 www.TalkRadio.nyc: and they needed to walk through that water to cover their tracks and kill their scent.
00:40:43.540 --> 00:41:00.850 Reggie Harris: all of these things in a song that would also be energizing and keeping people moving forward. taking bits and pieces of those realities, and then applying them, as we can then do, to everyday situations that we find ourselves in.
00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:04.850 www.TalkRadio.nyc: The songs were both inspirational.
00:41:04.930 --> 00:41:11.210 Reggie Harris: but the songs were also very practical. and they they build a fabric of resistance
00:41:11.270 --> 00:41:19.380 that we are finding also in our everyday life, with those themes coming again and again and again
00:41:19.390 --> 00:41:26.510 www.TalkRadio.nyc: to re-orienting ourselves to be pursuers of freedom and and justice.
00:41:26.980 --> 00:41:34.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's amazing, because you know, so I knew a bit of what you were saying about how These songs were used.
00:41:34.580 --> 00:41:41.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, by Harriet and and other people to like, even call them to say, hey, you know
00:41:42.450 --> 00:41:54.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you better. Come on, step on board right? Yeah, and that's another one. Get on board, children, right? You better come on because this this train leaving right now, and it is a way of communicating, so that
00:41:55.110 --> 00:42:15.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the enslavers didn't know they just thought we were singing, but it's really interesting to hear you say it was a reminder that they're fish in the water. They were like. You can get your sustenance from the water, I mean. So I really love that You're telling these stories to children and adults alike. And I wonder.
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:27.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know we begin, and I know we're going to have to take a break really soon. But we began by to kind of talking about these fears that people have, and I and I wonder if in the storytelling are people able to connect
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:33.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: today's events with historical things, and I think you were starting to say that with
00:42:34.120 --> 00:42:42.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with when you're talking about weight and war, there is a connection it's with oh, absolutely absolutely. You are out there from your audience about.
00:42:42.490 --> 00:42:58.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know I it's an amazing thing to you know. We we think that we've stored up all this information, but generally. For most people in in America the level of of knowledge in history is probably about 2 inches deep.
00:42:58.770 --> 00:43:02.210 Reggie Harris: and I remind people that this is not your fault.
00:43:02.720 --> 00:43:05.380 You know this is by design
00:43:05.410 --> 00:43:12.220 Reggie Harris: that all of these facts and all of this history, this truth is kept from us
00:43:12.230 --> 00:43:14.150 in a very purposeful way.
00:43:14.200 --> 00:43:27.060 Reggie Harris: So what I hear from people, I hear them resonate into a sense of being grateful for this new knowledge, and of in one sense also, being freed
00:43:27.080 --> 00:43:32.290 Reggie Harris: from the oppression in first very small ways.
00:43:32.330 --> 00:43:37.110 www.TalkRadio.nyc: but also connecting to the fact that everybody in the world
00:43:37.190 --> 00:43:44.380 Reggie Harris: wants freedom. and once the ability to grow and to being the best they can possibly be.
00:43:44.640 --> 00:43:58.610 And you know, part of the problem is that the forces that are in authority often are trying to pit us against each other, so that we believe somebody is stealing our freedom. There really is enough freedom for all
00:43:58.610 --> 00:44:09.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: isn't that the truth? And no if we don't live in scarcely Well, we we have to take a break. But what I am hearing you say is, is that when you sing these songs.
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:14.550 no matter whether you're seeing songs about civil rights or something else
00:44:14.710 --> 00:44:19.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that the words are applicable across the board.
00:44:19.630 --> 00:44:31.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and that seems like that's what are the biggest takeaways from yeah, these songs of freedom is that that if we listen and we're open, I love that. You said earlier, the songs open us up
00:44:31.770 --> 00:44:39.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because music fees the soul does it does. That's up to listen. If we actually listen to the lyrics
00:44:39.470 --> 00:44:56.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and not just bop along. And and even when I think about because I've been guilty of just bopping along to some stuff, and then I listen to the words, and I go Wait a minute. But but like even when I think about historically, our songs
00:44:56.570 --> 00:45:05.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: were used for storytelling so much, and even if we didn't think that they would make. since, because, like you know that that
00:45:05.750 --> 00:45:20.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: oh, like something like oh, Mary, don't you! We They start out with one versus something about Moses, and then Mary and i'm like how those 2 things connect, but they're trying to tell a story in right. Oh, Reggie, when we come back
00:45:21.150 --> 00:45:24.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'd love for you to talk a little bit about.
00:45:25.730 --> 00:45:43.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know how people could get involved in the living legacy project you just you mentioned very briefly some of the tours that you all take. And I wonder you talk about how people could get involved, or or go on a tour, and what they can expect from something
00:45:44.120 --> 00:45:47.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: from from something like that. I know it's life changing
00:45:47.330 --> 00:45:55.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to see that it is so. We're going to be right back with Reggie Harris. This is the dispatchal racism show. We'll be right back.
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00:48:00.820 --> 00:48:19.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with my guests today. Reggie Harris, Reggie. We don't have very much time left with time. I can talk to you all day, but the next few minutes tell us a little bit about the living legacy project. How folks can get involved in that, what they can expect from that as well.
00:48:19.570 --> 00:48:43.620 Well, probably the easiest thing is for them to go to a living legacy pilgrimage org. That's our website. and there you can get, first of all, a description of what it is that we do. The living legacy project is an organization committed to experiential learning. I am particularly learning about the stories and the lessons of the modern civil rights movement.
00:48:43.850 --> 00:49:00.120 If you go to the website, you'll see not only a description of who we are and what we do, but also listed on that are a number of videos and and opportunities for you to see some of the online programs that we have sponsored over the last 3 years.
00:49:00.350 --> 00:49:15.560 many of which include some of the people that we then will also take people to meet on the road. A large part of our mission is to take people on an experiential journey. We call it a pilgrimage because it's not a civil rights tour
00:49:15.790 --> 00:49:25.670 the Pilgrim Inch is to, and I love. This goes right in with what you were doing at the beginning of the show. It's an opportunity to slow our lives down
00:49:26.020 --> 00:49:35.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and to visit places where in in Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee, soon also Georgia and and South Carolina
00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:47.960 for us to go and visit places where the Civil rights movement was obviously in in great demand, and also where people made a stand in history.
00:49:48.140 --> 00:50:15.890 We visit these places. We hear stories told by some of the veterans of the Civil Rights movement. We visit museums, we visit churches. we'll do a 4 and 5 stops a day, and at each of these places we have an opportunity to take in some information that, regardless of who you are, you probably Don't know the interior stories of what has happened in America as a result of the oppression
00:50:15.890 --> 00:50:34.080 to civil and human rights. But you're also on a bus with people from other places in the country in the world. And so we encourage interaction between places, and we all bring our stories into this amazing opportunity to hear news stories and each other's stories.
00:50:34.110 --> 00:50:47.280 And then what generally happens is that everybody on their own time begins to process this information. The goal largely is to take in the information that we find on the journey.
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:54.500 Reggie Harris: We are singing on the bus. We are singing off the bus, so we are opening ourselves to the spirit of openness.
00:50:54.600 --> 00:51:03.360 www.TalkRadio.nyc: and that we're hoping that people will come and then take what they see and what they learn back to wherever they come from.
00:51:03.430 --> 00:51:14.260 www.TalkRadio.nyc: because the parallels that we will see in those stories portrayed so amazingly in historical terms. are right into what we're living through today.
00:51:14.700 --> 00:51:23.070 www.TalkRadio.nyc: So there's the opportunity for people to see what's happening in their community to think in a global way. but to act in a local way.
00:51:24.390 --> 00:51:26.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But so, when is your next build rich?
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:42.590 Well, actually, we're going to do a two-day pilgrimage. That is, not it's a closed pilgrimage that i'm really excited about 2 day journey to Alabama and Atlanta with some folks from the Detroit area. But we're planning a pilgrimage for this summer
00:51:42.660 --> 00:52:02.350 Reggie Harris: in July, and also one for the fall in October. So if you go on the website living legacy pilgrimage org you'll also see those journeys you can sign up, for you know the information, and and we'll be getting out information about when those journeys open up.
00:52:02.650 --> 00:52:04.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So you do
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:28.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: do private ones as well. If you have enough people in addition to those that you are from. So it people. They have a group of people who want to do it. They can contact someone at your organization to see about, we'd be happy to set up a pilgrimage we're doing. We've done a couple this year. We've we do one with Nazareth College in Rochester, in every January.
00:52:28.530 --> 00:52:42.710 Reggie Harris: and then in March we actually had one where we had a combined pilgrimage which was really really exciting. We had about 15 to 18 students from Worcester College in Ohio, and some of the community members from that town
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:54.590 Reggie Harris: who were joined by about 22 people from around the country. So we had an intergenerational pilgrimage that was largely sponsored, because Worcester had a group of people that they wanted to to take on the journey.
00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:01.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, that's amazing. So do you have a minimum number of people. If it's a private pilgrimage that you would.
00:53:01.150 --> 00:53:03.330 Reggie Harris: our minimum would be about 30,
00:53:03.370 --> 00:53:04.970 30 to 35.
00:53:05.330 --> 00:53:17.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But you know, if you have close to that. We can work. Ok? Well, it sounds like it's a wonderful I mean, I know I haven't been on a pilgrimage yet.
00:53:17.990 --> 00:53:28.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but I do know people who are intimately involved, including yourself in this work, and I also know that the people who visited it.
00:53:28.550 --> 00:53:36.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: those places that you have mentioned, their lives have been changed, because once you know your history.
00:53:36.500 --> 00:53:43.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you also can't unsee it right, and they do such a great job at the equal justice.
00:53:43.110 --> 00:53:44.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and of like
00:53:44.420 --> 00:53:45.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: these.
00:53:45.540 --> 00:53:53.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's just remarkable, right. I've I've seen it not in person, but I've seen a bit of the footage, and it's just
00:53:53.550 --> 00:54:08.490 Reggie Harris: It's it's an extraordinary experience, and you know I have now co-LED probably 18 of these journeys and and other journeys. And I will tell you every time I go. I'm changed again.
00:54:08.650 --> 00:54:34.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, Rosie, I want to thank you for the work that you are doing with the living legacy project, because again for you to go, and you're changed every time. It's. Also. I know heartbreaking every time you go as well, and and I want to thank you for the work that you are doing to educate all of us adults and children alike on history. And of course I want to thank you for being on the show today. It's been a
00:54:34.730 --> 00:54:41.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: delight to have you now tell our listeners how they can get in touch with you.
00:54:41.990 --> 00:54:46.620 The easiest way to get to me is Reggie Harris music.com.
00:54:47.060 --> 00:55:00.040 Reggie Harris: And if you go on that website you'll get more information about me than you probably want. But also I I welcome you into the Reggie Harris Music family. I love what I do.
00:55:00.210 --> 00:55:14.380 Reggie Harris: I love that I have been given not only the opportunity, but also the passion in my heart for this work. It certainly beats everything that I thought that my career would be about when I started out.
00:55:14.640 --> 00:55:23.550 Reggie Harris: and in this time of challenge and change I feel very gifted to be in the midst of the work that we are all doing.
00:55:23.730 --> 00:55:28.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and so encouraged by the fact that I get up every day, and I get to sing.
00:55:28.680 --> 00:55:30.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah, and
00:55:30.330 --> 00:55:48.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you can. You can advocate for justice and seeing doing the things that you're passionate about, but encourage my listeners to go to Reggie Harris music.com, and you can find out out more about Reggie and perhaps book him to come to your area. I'm guessing.
00:55:48.890 --> 00:56:06.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and please do go to sacred intelligence.com, so that you can learn a little bit more about me as well. Thank you so much to my listeners for being here today. Thank you, Reggie Harris, for being here. I am honored that you graced us this morning with your presence.
00:56:06.100 --> 00:56:15.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and so I want to just invite you to stay tuned to the conscious consultant hour with Sam Leibowitz, where he helps you to walk through life with the greatest of ease and joy
00:56:15.600 --> 00:56:34.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: being today, you tap into that sacred part of you that allows you to make choices that will manifest your greatness and the greatness of those around. You know that we are all one, and we exist because of one another. Make it a priority to share love, joy, compassion, and peace. Today
00:56:34.970 --> 00:56:40.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: be well being safe, be encouraged until next time, Bye, for now
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