[New Episode] A Choice to Show Up

WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?

The audience will be inspired by the life and work of Rev. Osagyefo Sekou.

EPISODE SUMMARY:

Join Rev. Dr. TLC and her guest, Reverend Osagyefo Sekou, who is an activist, theologian, author, documentary filmmaker, and blues/soul/gospel musician. Rev. Sekou will share his knowledge of what it takes to organize in troubled places like Charlottesville, VA; Beirut, Lebanon; New Orleans, LA; and Ferguson, MO. Rev. Sekou has helped trained over ten thousand clergy and activists in militant nonviolent civil disobedience through the United States.

Rev. Sekou’s music is world renowned and critical in the journey to dismantle racism. He says, “When people see me in concert, I pray they come away a little freer.” His concerts and songs of freedom have been described as “one-part protest rally, one-part Pentecostal tent revival, and one-part late night juke joint.”

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Show Notes

Segment 1

If you want to learn more about Rev. Dr. TLC and her work, you can find her at SacredIntelligence.com. We invite you to purchase a copy of Dismantling Racism at Amazon.com. Rev. Dr. TLC begins her show with a guided meditation. She introduces the focus for today’s episode, which is music and how it was used as a protest. She explains how her guest will talk about his involvement with music and protest.

Segment 2

Rev. Dr. TLC welcomes her guest Reverend Osagyefo Sekou, an activist, theologian, author, documentary filmmaker, and blues/soul/gospel musician. Rev. Dr. TLC mentions Rev. Sekou’s Tiny Desk performance and the positive reviews it received. Rev. Dr. TLC and Rev. Sekou talk about Rev. Sekou’s upbringing and how he grew up in a tiny town of about 35 people with 11 houses. She inquires about his background growing up in a tiny town and his experiences dealing with various people while touring the world. Rev. Sekou talks about the love he had as a child and how it inspired him to want to share it with the world. Rev. Dr. TLC explains how when we are shown how to lead with love; it only makes it easier to redistribute that love. Rev. Dr. TLC asks Rev. Sekou where his passion for music came from and how it led to songs of protest.

Segment 3

Rev. Dr. TLC and Rev. Sekou discuss Rev. Sekou’s music career and how he’s gained such a large following in such a short period. Rev. Sekou shares his journey and how he got signed by a record label. He talks about the chemistry he shares with his band and how they’ve been able to tour the world. Rev. Dr. TLC asks Rev. Sekou how he organizes clergy and inspires others to do this work. She also asks about Rev. Sekou’s experience with a specific protest at a church where white nationalists showed up. They discuss a song Rev. Sekou wrote about Heather Ayer, who he saw take their last breath.

Segment 4

Rev. Sekou leaves us with his final thoughts on the current state of America. He says we are in a fascist moment in our country. He brings up recent incidents that prove his point. You can find a copy of Rev. Sekou’s books Urban Souls and God’s Gay And Guns at Amazon.com. Find Rev. Sekou’s three albums on all music streaming services. If you want to learn more about Reverend Osagyefo Sekou, you can visit his website at ReverendSekou.com.

Transcript

00:00:46.040 --> 00:00:52.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello and welcome to the dismantled racism show where our goal is to eradicate.

00:00:52.280 --> 00:01:01.950 dismantle and to uncover racism, because we really do want to create a world where racial equity is the norm.

00:01:01.950 --> 00:01:19.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I am your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc. I want to thank you so much for joining me for today's show. If you have been inspired, encouraged, or simply, you just love the show. I want to invite you to please please subscribe to the show

00:01:19.890 --> 00:01:22.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in your favorite platform.

00:01:22.140 --> 00:01:51.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: share the show on social media. Share it with your friends, tell others about the show, and encourage them to subscribe to the show. Again, the purpose of the show is to really uncover racism and to really help us to understand Racism is history in this country, and what we can do about it; and the more people who are in tune with what our guests have t0 0ffer, the more people will be able to help us to dismantle racism.

00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:52.900 After all.

00:01:53.150 --> 00:02:05.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what you do matters. and each person contributing to this charge to this challenge to this journey of dismantling racism, we will be able to create a world

00:02:05.990 --> 00:02:08.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: where justice prevails.

00:02:09.050 --> 00:02:25.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So please make sure that you subscribe. I also want to invite you to visit my website, Sacred intelligence.com, and learn more about the work that I do while you're there. Please be sure to download your free copy of, Take a breath.

00:02:25.540 --> 00:02:35.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The download is really there to help you to get through; how to have those difficult conversations about race, how to maintain your

00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:41.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: emotional stability, and to really breathe through it as you're having the conversations.

00:02:41.610 --> 00:02:56.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I also want to invite you. If you've not done so, to please purchase a copy of dismantling racism, healing separation from the inside out. And if you've already purchased a copy of that.

00:02:56.220 --> 00:03:04.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: please go to Amazon, leave a review and let us know what you think about the book, and then also share it with other folks.

00:03:04.940 --> 00:03:07.960 Now I want to invite us into a time

00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:17.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: meditation, as I do every week, and as I've shared with you before the reasons why we take some time

00:03:17.740 --> 00:03:21.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to meditate it's because we want to ground ourselves.

00:03:21.140 --> 00:03:40.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so we want to ground ourselves for the conversation that we're having today. But I'm really modeling for you how to ground yourself for the conversations that you have, whether they are with friends family, colleague, or even if you are trying to encourage yourself

00:03:40.140 --> 00:03:47.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to engage in the work of dismantling racism, I know that this work creates a lot of Angst for both.

00:03:48.490 --> 00:03:51.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: simply mentioning the word race

00:03:51.200 --> 00:03:58.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: causes a lot of people to get upset, and tension builds up inside of them, and it doesn't have to.

00:03:58.260 --> 00:04:06.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There are ways in which we can address the racial inequities. There are ways in which we can engage in the dialogue

00:04:07.340 --> 00:04:21.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that will help us to move forward without feeling so angry and upset, and living in fear and grounding ourselves, is one of the ways in which we do it. So that's why you hear me focus on

00:04:21.140 --> 00:04:31.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: on the meditation. That's why you hear me talk about going inward. Because it is important for us to connect with our sacred sales

00:04:31.320 --> 00:04:38.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to connect with the best, and who we are. So if you would, I invite you simply to just close your eyes

00:04:40.380 --> 00:04:44.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and plant your feet on the floor or the ground.

00:04:45.850 --> 00:04:51.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so that you can feel supported and connected my foundation.

00:04:52.870 --> 00:04:58.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just simply begin to breathe in and out.

00:05:00.370 --> 00:05:02.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your greater source

00:05:04.760 --> 00:05:06.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your sacred source.

00:05:08.140 --> 00:05:09.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your divine wisdom

00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:13.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for divine intelligence.

00:05:15.210 --> 00:05:21.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and really understanding that you are not separate from that source.

00:05:24.370 --> 00:05:27.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: All that you need is inside of you.

00:05:28.780 --> 00:05:30.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You were born with it.

00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:33.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you were gifted with it.

00:05:35.580 --> 00:05:40.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So just breathe in and let that settle in your mind

00:05:41.790 --> 00:05:43.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and in your presence

00:05:45.420 --> 00:05:49.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you are loved unconditionally

00:05:51.270 --> 00:05:56.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and within you as a fountain of love that's ready to be poured out.

00:05:57.940 --> 00:06:02.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So just breathe in and accept that unconditional love.

00:06:04.640 --> 00:06:09.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and know that you Don't have to live in a place of fear or scarcity

00:06:12.660 --> 00:06:18.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when we live in those places. That's what keeps us in competition.

00:06:19.980 --> 00:06:22.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's what creates othering

00:06:24.320 --> 00:06:37.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so breathe in and out, and rise above those feelings. and just bask in love. Swim in the pool of love

00:06:37.980 --> 00:06:40.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that is ever present with you.

00:06:42.310 --> 00:06:43.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just breathe in

00:06:45.050 --> 00:06:46.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and out.

00:06:49.860 --> 00:06:57.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in and out. fully embracing that love

00:06:58.530 --> 00:07:04.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that removes fear. doubt. shame. guilt.

00:07:07.250 --> 00:07:09.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and it simply propels you forward.

00:07:13.710 --> 00:07:16.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So just rest in that place for a moment

00:07:19.460 --> 00:07:21.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with who you are

00:07:23.520 --> 00:07:25.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with whose you are.

00:07:27.430 --> 00:07:30.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and receiving the gift of love.

00:07:31.170 --> 00:07:35.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and receiving the gift that has been poured into you.

00:07:37.070 --> 00:07:40.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: knowing that you are in the right place.

00:07:41.840 --> 00:07:47.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the right time. the right body the right gender.

00:07:49.070 --> 00:07:52.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the right socio-economic status.

00:07:55.830 --> 00:07:57.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You're the right age

00:07:59.430 --> 00:08:01.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: wherever you are right now.

00:08:03.570 --> 00:08:09.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now is the time for you to fully embrace who you are.

00:08:10.390 --> 00:08:17.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and use those gifts to manifest your greatness and the greatness of others

00:08:18.950 --> 00:08:20.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take a deep breath in

00:08:21.710 --> 00:08:24.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that what you do matters.

00:08:28.840 --> 00:08:31.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and recognizing that the power of one

00:08:32.860 --> 00:08:35.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: contributes to the power of many.

00:08:37.690 --> 00:08:39.679 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, as you breathe in.

00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.169 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and the exhale Slowly

00:08:45.090 --> 00:08:53.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we end with these words. and so it is a sh. and

00:08:57.490 --> 00:09:08.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: oh, thank you, Thank you. Thank you. That always helps me to feel really good and present as well for the show that we're going to have today.

00:09:08.370 --> 00:09:28.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I want to just remind you, as I have before. If you would love to experience those meditations on a daily basis. you can actually go to your favorite platform. You can go to itunes, spotify Amazon, Google play wherever it is that you get your music

00:09:28.810 --> 00:09:30.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and download

00:09:30.750 --> 00:09:39.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: those meditations. The meditations are based on the book. But of course I have extended what I wrote in the book.

00:09:39.380 --> 00:09:41.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But is there really

00:09:41.420 --> 00:09:50.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to help you to encourage you to strengthen you as you're going through this sacred intelligence journey of faith

00:09:50.660 --> 00:09:52.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to dismantle racism.

00:09:53.150 --> 00:10:01.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And it is indeed a faith journey, because you have to believe that it is possible in order for you

00:10:02.020 --> 00:10:13.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to know that we can dismantle racism. We can't go into it half-heartedly. But today, on the show I want to talk about music.

00:10:13.190 --> 00:10:19.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I want to talk about how music has been used as songs of protest.

00:10:19.680 --> 00:10:25.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But my guest today is going to do more than talk about music, my guest today.

00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:31.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really, we'll talk about his involvement in songs of protests.

00:10:31.880 --> 00:10:39.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we'll also talk about how he helped to gavinize clergy and others to lead protests.

00:10:39.740 --> 00:10:41.480 But before we get to that.

00:10:41.850 --> 00:10:50.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Dr. King is quoted as saying, Freedom songs serve to give unity to a movement. Jimmy Hendrix. In fact.

00:10:50.770 --> 00:10:55.980 it's quoted to have said, If there is something to be changed in this world.

00:10:56.330 --> 00:11:06.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: then it can only change through music. And then, of course, Stevie Wonder said that music is a world within itself.

00:11:06.280 --> 00:11:15.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with the language we can all understand. with an equal opportunity for all to sing and dance and clap their hands.

00:11:15.830 --> 00:11:27.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's an equal opportunist, because we all can get involved, and we all can feel music deeply from our souls, deeply from our spirits.

00:11:30.620 --> 00:11:35.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And sometimes music is the thing that will uplift us.

00:11:35.350 --> 00:11:37.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and that will encourage us.

00:11:38.430 --> 00:11:44.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and it is important for us to connect with that which feeds our souls.

00:11:44.540 --> 00:11:46.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So during the civil rights movement.

00:11:47.410 --> 00:11:53.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and even before the civil rights movement, we always had musicians

00:11:54.030 --> 00:12:04.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to come, and to soothe our souls. We had the jazz sounds of John Coltrane. Theina Simone, the Louis Armstrong.

00:12:05.140 --> 00:12:16.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What about Sam Cook. one of my favorite songs is a change is going to come. and we can't get past the Civil Rights movement

00:12:16.810 --> 00:12:25.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: without really loving the deep sounds of Bernice, Johnson, Regan, and Sweet Honey and the Rock.

00:12:26.150 --> 00:12:29.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And did you know that Koretta Scott King

00:12:29.860 --> 00:12:35.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: actually gave freedom concerts as a fundraiser for the civil rights movement.

00:12:36.050 --> 00:12:49.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A lot of people don't know that she was trained to as a musician train as a concert or a soloist, and so she used her talents

00:12:49.610 --> 00:12:53.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to raise money for the Civil Rights movement.

00:12:54.140 --> 00:12:59.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You've heard me talk about her before in January, when we were talking about Dr. King.

00:13:00.930 --> 00:13:05.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so what she did was significant, and music is significant.

00:13:05.990 --> 00:13:12.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So after we come back from the break, I'm going to introduce you to today's guest.

00:13:12.500 --> 00:13:21.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so that we can learn a little bit more about his process. In leading protests. We can learn a little bit more about how music

00:13:22.020 --> 00:13:30.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: has helped to change his life. The lives of many others. We're gonna take a quick break, and when we come back i'll introduce you to today's guest

00:13:30.700 --> 00:13:31.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we'll be right back.

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00:15:49.790 --> 00:15:55.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with the dismantle racism show, and I want to introduce you

00:15:55.580 --> 00:16:11.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to my my guest today. It is the Reverend of Sagi. Fool! Say cool, and I am so so delighted to have him with me today. He is an activist, theologian, author, documentary filmmaker.

00:16:12.140 --> 00:16:28.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: blue sole gospel musician, player as well. He has helped t0 0rganize clergy in places like Charlottesville, Virginia, Beirut, Lebanon, New Orleans, Louisiana, Ferguson, Missouri.

00:16:28.420 --> 00:16:36.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He has helped to train tens of thousands of clergy folks. And he really is a

00:16:36.940 --> 00:16:53.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: renowned, renowned musician. And so he has been said by Npr's Bob W. Boolean. He testified that Reverend Say Cool has delivered the most rousing tiny desk performance.

00:16:53.990 --> 00:16:58.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And that is saying a lot for those of you who listen to tiny desk.

00:16:59.030 --> 00:17:08.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: One of the things that he says is that when people see him in concert that he praise, they come away feeling a little bit freer.

00:17:08.589 --> 00:17:15.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: His concerts and songs of freedom has been described as one part protest, Rally

00:17:15.430 --> 00:17:27.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: one part Pentalcostal Ted Rival, and one part late night. Duke Jump, I love love, love that! And Haven't listened to the tiny this performance. I can definitely say

00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:36.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that that is the case. And so, Rev. And say cool. I want to welcome you to the show, and I just want to tell my audience.

00:17:36.520 --> 00:17:54.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It is amazing that you have. I'm honored that you would be here because I know you just got off of a plane, and you're just getting yourself settled. So good morning and welcome to the show.

00:17:54.940 --> 00:18:00.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, I am delighted to to know you through Carlson, and

00:18:00.990 --> 00:18:13.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: there's some things that I just want to get started with. I just really want to have a conversation with you.

00:18:13.420 --> 00:18:16.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you described it as

00:18:16.690 --> 00:18:22.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: 11 houses with 35 people. I think I heard you describe it as

00:18:22.580 --> 00:18:24.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: ever. See yourself

00:18:24.950 --> 00:18:29.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: doing the work that you're doing, traveling all over the world.

00:18:29.850 --> 00:18:35.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It it does. That seem like it was a lifetime ago that you lived in that tiny little town?

00:18:35.910 --> 00:18:47.520 Rev. Sekou: No, at one level. Yes, and then at one level. Now you know part of you know my life's work has been

00:18:48.150 --> 00:19:04.710 Rev. Sekou: to share with the world the deeper biting love that I grew up with like so my grandmother got me when she was 60 55 years old. I was 6 months old.

00:19:05.450 --> 00:19:19.120 Rev. Sekou: and so he took me from my mother, took me to the woman who raised me and the woman who raised him. Houston Canada was not his biological mother.

00:19:20.190 --> 00:19:24.740 Rev. Sekou: and my the woman Houston Cannon that I call Mom or my grandmother.

00:19:24.790 --> 00:19:33.160 She raised him and his siblings, more more children. And then

00:19:33.340 --> 00:19:37.560 Rev. Sekou: my father took me to her in 1,970

00:19:37.570 --> 00:19:38.340 one.

00:19:40.070 --> 00:19:42.580 Rev. Sekou: and I am

00:19:45.940 --> 00:19:47.850 Rev. Sekou: was so loved

00:19:48.870 --> 00:19:57.740 Rev. Sekou: like.

00:19:57.910 --> 00:20:03.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, impact the human condition. Why black people are not unique in their suffering.

00:20:03.950 --> 00:20:13.240 Rev. Sekou: and that sense of what it means to wrestle with meaning and death, trade and despair, and try t0 0vercome circumstances not an UN. Choose, not suffering

00:20:13.550 --> 00:20:16.730 as political preachers, of course.

00:20:17.010 --> 00:20:32.400 Rev. Sekou: in the context of the United States. But I I was loved so deeply and so. And I was always, You know, One of the gifts that I experience is that I was so encouraged, so anything I did.

00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.550 Rev. Sekou: I remember building some little.

00:20:36.150 --> 00:20:40.180 you know, like a little piece of house I put together a couple of nails and a few

00:20:40.610 --> 00:20:59.200 Rev. Sekou: pieces of file when they say that boy don't be an architect. and so I I was so loved and so celebrated. And so Zen is very like in terms of living there, and that kind of thing. Of course I go back up the last time I was there. I was last summer

00:20:59.870 --> 00:21:02.990 Rev. Sekou: on summer 21. I was the last time I was there.

00:21:03.600 --> 00:21:11.460 Rev. Sekou: And so it was a place where I love. I was love deeply and cared for, and and that's still very much present with me.

00:21:20.970 --> 00:21:28.310 Rev. Sekou: my sonic landscape anytime i'm on stage. I'm trying to recapture

00:21:28.890 --> 00:21:48.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the sonic memories I have as a child

00:21:48.570 --> 00:21:49.880 Rev. Sekou: we

00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We distribute that

00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:59.270 in my relationship with young people, you know, particularly at the past it.

00:21:59.320 --> 00:22:11.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know it's really interesting. You know that you're talking about this place of love, because

00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:23.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when you have been bathed in, that you have so much more of it to pour out into the world, because you understand what it means to be loved. And sometimes we don't get that love

00:22:23.250 --> 00:22:35.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: from our biological families. and it just received that love is more t0 0r out. But I want to talk to you now.

00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:44.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your music and and we're gonna talk about how your music is is is is about protest and freedom. And I want to talk about that more. But

00:22:45.130 --> 00:23:04.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your music really is a remembrance and an honoring of you growing up, because when you first start out in some of your songs you can hear that Pentecostal, for sure you could hear the word for sure coming out, and it goes a little blues, and it goes a little rocky

00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:09.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to me sometimes. So talk to me a little bit about

00:23:10.780 --> 00:23:19.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how you fell into this passion for your music. And then how did that then go into songs of protest.

00:23:20.420 --> 00:23:21.560 Rev. Sekou: Well, you know.

00:23:23.030 --> 00:23:24.020 Rev. Sekou: you know black

00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:30.270 black religion begins with the revolutionary notion that black people are human.

00:23:30.550 --> 00:23:34.820 Rev. Sekou: That's a revolutionary notion inside there. There. So

00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:38.950 Rev. Sekou: you know. So where it's a range of

00:23:39.270 --> 00:23:55.310 Rev. Sekou: you know where it's a range of theological or political orientation in that in that religious practices, whether it be the Nice and Islam the black.

00:23:56.990 --> 00:24:08.260 Rev. Sekou: so that one level there's a late prayer test in being black right in terms of the context of the Us. Might look different in the Caribbean, my link to whatever predominantly black populations.

00:24:08.810 --> 00:24:12.120 And s0 1 2

00:24:12.830 --> 00:24:19.760 Rev. Sekou: I like to. For For me there is no delineation. So right my first black history programs.

00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:32.100 Rev. Sekou: We're in church.

00:24:32.590 --> 00:24:36.140 Rev. Sekou: and so I I never like.

00:24:37.330 --> 00:24:46.500 Rev. Sekou: The distinction was always a false cause. Distinction for me to me in terms like this how I I thought about church life now it was intrinsic

00:24:48.800 --> 00:25:08.790 Rev. Sekou: not necessarily that people were up, giving, you know, profound, fiery military mode, militant speeches, sermons. But I knew in the both of the subtext and in the performance of the and other sermon, and the way people move with.

00:25:08.790 --> 00:25:11.920 Rev. Sekou: But Mr. Hancock, who was on the head. Deacon, right.

00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.440 Rev. Sekou: you know what starts t0 0verall

00:25:17.650 --> 00:25:20.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with some knobs and

00:25:20.800 --> 00:25:27.240 Rev. Sekou: Chris white shirt, and

00:25:27.290 --> 00:25:31.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and in terms of how it's defined, been defined in the last decade.

00:25:31.610 --> 00:25:36.680 Rev. Sekou: But what for me? What is powerful is the way in which those folks

00:25:38.530 --> 00:25:49.850 Rev. Sekou: performed and lived. And so that was that. And then I had a cousin who was one of the founders in the Arkansas, and it was still non violent coordinating committee. You know I read books that kind of thing, but

00:25:50.070 --> 00:25:52.530 Rev. Sekou: at the core of it was being twice as good

00:25:53.030 --> 00:26:11.100 Rev. Sekou: and twice as smart. Right? That's what was communicated to me.

00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:23.180 Rev. Sekou: so that I think to all of that. And then you have to think I I I was the hip hop that I grew up on through a different know what a young people have access to

00:26:23.330 --> 00:26:30.240 Rev. Sekou: like in terms of they have more outlets, less variety.

00:26:31.780 --> 00:26:32.970 Rev. Sekou: I

00:26:33.520 --> 00:26:52.140 Rev. Sekou: grew up in Hip hop, you know. You remember, in the late early eighties, I mean like a late eighties early nineties, mal Those movies coming out

00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:24.470 I became. I didn't become, even though i'm a classically turned vocalist. You know it's saying in about 5 foreign languages. By the time I was 7 0r 8 years old I became a professional musician at 45, and basically

00:27:24.520 --> 00:27:32.280 Rev. Sekou: is because of Ferguson, and after the Ferguson uprising I had the blues, and the only way I could get it out was to sync.

00:27:32.380 --> 00:27:34.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm. So you

00:27:34.100 --> 00:27:49.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, that's amazing. So it really in 7 years

00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:59.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for protest and racial

00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:03.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I I know that your clergy so were you doing the clergy work, and then

00:28:04.970 --> 00:28:24.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: found a way to weave this in. So

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00:30:26.550 --> 00:30:39.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with the Dismantle Racism show, and my guest today is, reverend, say, cool, and before the break we were talking just a bit about his his

00:30:41.760 --> 00:30:42.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: music.

00:30:42.960 --> 00:31:02.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and how it's been used for protest, and rather say cool. I just want to say 7 years is a very short time to have really risen to some of the fame that you have.

00:31:02.330 --> 00:31:04.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How, Ferguson.

00:31:04.700 --> 00:31:15.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know it started to say it. It was what inspired you. So how did you take that over to the next level rather than just singing the blues to yourself and that church.

00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.450 Rev. Sekou: Well, I think you know whatever visibility I have which is fleeting right.

00:31:21.740 --> 00:31:35.340 Rev. Sekou: you know, you know, began in movement context. And so You know, I had lecture around the country and around the world, you know, before Ferguson and I published 2 books

00:31:35.510 --> 00:31:40.490 before.

00:31:41.050 --> 00:31:44.320 Rev. Sekou: and then.

00:31:46.390 --> 00:31:47.450 as

00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.510 Rev. Sekou: the Ferguson arising was happening

00:31:52.640 --> 00:32:03.840 Rev. Sekou: I would get called to give speeches a lot, and I was just at that point. I had written a a a Jay Marie Hill, and I had written about

00:32:05.070 --> 00:32:12.910 Rev. Sekou: 7 songs in 6 days, and did so like on the 11 that you had a small coffee house in

00:32:15.170 --> 00:32:17.820 Rev. Sekou: Oakland. And so we wrote the record.

00:32:18.710 --> 00:32:23.720 Rev. Sekou: and then, as I was getting calls to come, give talks

00:32:24.020 --> 00:32:30.340 Rev. Sekou: we would. I would be like my outcome, saying, I want to, because I actually found it more healing for me.

00:32:38.360 --> 00:32:45.410 Rev. Sekou: And so so that kinda happened, I and then what actually.

00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:54.840 Rev. Sekou: I kind of done some small things. I got in a record deal through 30 tigers after the second record, and then once solo

00:32:55.060 --> 00:32:57.090 Rev. Sekou: and we.

00:32:57.520 --> 00:33:06.320 Rev. Sekou: Tony, I wind up doing a tiny desk, and I had a manager who kinda worked some magic, and I wound up getting a tiny desk.

00:33:06.460 --> 00:33:13.610 Rev. Sekou: and that trend for me in public life right from being an activist who's saying so, like all he's like a

00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:20.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right right, and that has to do with. I have great a great band. I have, like the band you saw the

00:33:21.010 --> 00:33:27.650 Rev. Sekou: seal breakers out of Brooklyn, and then my touring band. Now the freedom fighters. We've been together for about

00:33:28.310 --> 00:33:35.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: going on 6 years

00:33:35.610 --> 00:33:39.180 Rev. Sekou: all over the Uk. And

00:33:39.210 --> 00:33:50.220 Rev. Sekou: and and so and all over the country. And so i'm really blessed to a tool with them. And they're just, you know, good men and women that I love deeply, and I'm honored

00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.600 to travel the world with it.

00:33:52.760 --> 00:33:59.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So wherever you're saying so many things in there that I think is really really important for our listeners.

00:33:59.380 --> 00:34:05.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and one of those things is the importance of us who are activists

00:34:23.020 --> 00:34:39.179 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to talk. They just know that they want you, because what bring. And so it's important for our listeners to know that they have to also continue to refuel themselves. And then I, the second thing that you're saying is that when you show up fully

00:34:49.630 --> 00:35:00.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your supporters

00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:17.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: work it's magic.

00:35:17.590 --> 00:35:22.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But you have people showing up that you didn't have before.

00:35:22.990 --> 00:35:32.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so talk to me a little bit, because I know our time will go really quickly. Talk to me a little bit about how you organize

00:35:32.240 --> 00:35:35.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: clergy and other folks to do this work.

00:35:36.010 --> 00:35:37.330 you know. I

00:35:37.670 --> 00:35:46.140 Rev. Sekou: I think I get a lot more credit than I am do is occur to you. Organize in part because clergy is bad organized.

00:35:46.470 --> 00:35:47.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We used

00:35:47.420 --> 00:35:51.980 Rev. Sekou: people sitting down and listen to us. Cl: They use the infrastructure. Yeah.

00:35:51.990 --> 00:36:01.460 Rev. Sekou: at least a clerk, a church clerk in our tradition, right?

00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:12.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so I will use the people sitting down and listen to us. And that's just not this historical moment, Clergy don't mean what they meant 50 years ago.

00:36:12.750 --> 00:36:17.460 and so what I've always depended upon is

00:36:17.650 --> 00:36:21.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the infrastructure of movement.

00:36:22.300 --> 00:36:37.640 Rev. Sekou: Right? So i'll say 2 young organizers. So yeah, we g0 0rganize the labor folk who will organize the young people who g0 0rganize the in our because I got the clergy. I'll get them there.

00:36:38.110 --> 00:36:39.250 Rev. Sekou: and

00:36:39.390 --> 00:36:58.810 Rev. Sekou: I oft. I often begin with the place that this is our sacred duty. It is in the text that we support this, not some abstract. This is not no extra thing. This is central to the Biblical narrative. Right now, for instance, my own beloved denomination, though i'm not serving it to turn to God in Christ. Now

00:36:58.810 --> 00:37:07.140 Rev. Sekou: it's about in Christ. The the second sentence of our Constitution is a conscience objective centers. No member of the God in crisis, both to go to war.

00:37:11.690 --> 00:37:13.890 Rev. Sekou: 17 for opposing a war

00:37:14.030 --> 00:37:14.680 for one

00:37:14.770 --> 00:37:15.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that

00:37:25.430 --> 00:37:39.890 Rev. Sekou: I always make sure clergy are in con conversation with young people so a lot of times. What I feel is, though my work is i'm a bridge.

00:37:39.930 --> 00:37:45.990 Rev. Sekou: I never nonetheless I'm a

00:37:46.040 --> 00:37:53.320 but I see much. I've seen much of my work as a bridge, and then at this stage in my career right. As a you know, as

00:37:53.370 --> 00:37:58.110 Rev. Sekou: you know, I passed through a wonderful multi-racial cop, the integration alongside

00:37:58.200 --> 00:38:01.880 my distinguished colleague, Dr. Danza Spalding.

00:38:01.970 --> 00:38:09.510 Rev. Sekou: and which is is multi-racial right? So what does a multi-racial conversation with black and brown leadership

00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:33.880 Rev. Sekou: with a black sonic landscape who was trying to make some sense of the world and get field spiritually right. And so for me, all of that still is me trying to get back home.

00:38:33.930 --> 00:38:34.960 Rev. Sekou: I won't

00:38:35.160 --> 00:38:44.030 Rev. Sekou: the eggs and folk, and the queer folk who so up, and the white folk who saw my church on Sunday morning at least dip their toe in the deep

00:38:44.030 --> 00:38:58.470 Rev. Sekou: elegance and theological sophistication of the black tradition

00:38:59.030 --> 00:39:14.340 Rev. Sekou: reminds us that white supremacy is, does spiritual damage to white people. That's right. That's exactly right, right? Right? And so part of our work is part of their work and social movements is for them to get free.

00:39:14.390 --> 00:39:22.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Exactly what you you know you about to make me shout over here. I agree with you, and I sometimes think about

00:39:22.490 --> 00:39:23.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how

00:39:23.700 --> 00:39:38.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: bound people are, because they can't feel that spirit moving in front of them, and the music actually helps you to feel that, and to be able to to express it, You know. Especially

00:39:38.250 --> 00:39:41.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'm Presbyterian. So I it is very stoic.

00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:57.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The the

00:39:57.690 --> 00:40:08.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that comes with that you're You're already breaking outside of a box.

00:40:08.930 --> 00:40:20.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You talk about it, my and our our mutual friend, the Reverend Carlton Smith, talked about

00:40:20.870 --> 00:40:26.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: on the night of of protest, when you all are gonna leave that church

00:40:31.080 --> 00:40:33.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: outside of it.

00:40:33.610 --> 00:40:41.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Talk to me about that moment, and what that felt like for you as clergy what it felt like for you as a black

00:40:41.430 --> 00:40:46.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: man as a human.

00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:49.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because one of your songs is about heather

00:40:49.600 --> 00:40:55.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: here, and you.

00:40:55.550 --> 00:41:06.790 Rev. Sekou: you know the I think the first thing is I have to like. I begin with right how I was trained as a clergy person, so not isn't similar.

00:41:07.250 --> 00:41:08.440 Rev. Sekou: but how?

00:41:08.580 --> 00:41:12.260 Rev. Sekou: At 10 years old, going with my grandfather

00:41:12.270 --> 00:41:13.550 Rev. Sekou: to do.

00:41:13.730 --> 00:41:18.230 Rev. Sekou: or how he and s0 0ne of the things he was saying to me is, boy.

00:41:18.390 --> 00:41:20.160 you can't bleed on the people.

00:41:22.650 --> 00:41:35.680 Rev. Sekou: And so it was like you got to figure out what to do with it, and I had the way he deal with with Jack D. But and so in the church I.

00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.580 Rev. Sekou: My first instinct is to protect my people.

00:41:39.890 --> 00:41:42.830 Rev. Sekou: And so because the police that left us

00:41:53.430 --> 00:41:55.230 Rev. Sekou: the Nazis beaten children.

00:41:55.570 --> 00:41:56.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm.

00:41:57.190 --> 00:42:12.310 Rev. Sekou: And so I My feeling is like because we had a whole kind of internal security infrastructure. So i'm talking to folks. We're walking, watching the building. We did a. We just stayed in the building. We were saying songs.

00:42:12.490 --> 00:42:15.380 and one of the things we did was

00:42:19.990 --> 00:42:25.740 Rev. Sekou: so that that was just that we got through the night, and then, you know, we go into

00:42:26.260 --> 00:42:44.800 Rev. Sekou: the march and sing, and try to block the entrance to the park that the Nazis are margin to. We would have been beaten to death if it wasn't for antifa, and T for saved our lives.

00:42:46.250 --> 00:42:48.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I

00:42:48.490 --> 00:42:53.290 Rev. Sekou: we have. I have made My! I've made my peace with death like if i'm a g0 0ut there.

00:42:53.450 --> 00:42:54.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know

00:42:54.790 --> 00:43:01.130 Rev. Sekou: that's just kind of like it. But the and we made people kind of sign these things. The other piece is that.

00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:06.120 Rev. Sekou: like I said other Doc, I have been loved so much.

00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:12.190 Rev. Sekou: You're right. In addition to as a childhood, the deep friends that I have in a deep relationship I have.

00:43:13.110 --> 00:43:18.980 Rev. Sekou: If if I would have died that day, I would have been at peace in the sense of that.

00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.590 Rev. Sekou: I I've had a good time, and guys been good to this whole country boy.

00:43:26.910 --> 00:43:33.080 Rev. Sekou: Anyway, we g0 0ut to the we hear that there's been a cars one through the crowd. We run down this about a half

00:43:33.990 --> 00:43:35.450 Rev. Sekou: mile down.

00:43:36.860 --> 00:43:41.030 Rev. Sekou: and I see anarchists who are the medics pumping her chest.

00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:51.400 Rev. Sekou: And yeah, it was all so real. It was like I I didn't have time, because before the ambulances got there.

00:43:51.460 --> 00:43:58.830 Rev. Sekou: police sewed up, an M. Rats those kind of militarized tanks.

00:43:59.090 --> 00:44:14.340 Rev. Sekou: And so young people are getting right. I They're about the it's gonna be a full on riot, right? And so I so My first instinct is, I see people, you know, we tend to know who we continue, and so I see the captain. I see a white shirt.

00:44:35.970 --> 00:44:52.020 Rev. Sekou: Charlottesville, right, because you got to think I lived there for 6 weeks, and for 6 weeks. This was the fourth of Races marches, the clan, the proud boys, and the local, not Neil Nazi organization. So that was the fourth one. So that was that he in that some

00:44:54.340 --> 00:44:57.280 Rev. Sekou: I've probably fully Haven't processed it.

00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:07.930 Rev. Sekou: But what has been give. and I I suspect it has been processed through like going. When I was living in Memphis. Going to Jena Stewart's Church.

00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:09.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah.

00:45:09.610 --> 00:45:22.300 Rev. Sekou: right. I think, who's my pastor? I think it get processed for me and Sunday morning, and being in the community that i'm in.

00:45:22.300 --> 00:45:30.110 Rev. Sekou: i'm gonna bring it up to I do might need to process that a little bit, You know we do have to take a quick break, and I can tell you, Gina Stewart, not me.

00:45:30.160 --> 00:45:38.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, my my feet one day now I I don't believe. and sometimes all that speaking in tongue. And

00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:52.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but I will tell you when I will say this publicly. She spoke a word in my ear, and I was boom on the floor before I did I it. It was some preaching and a pre taking machine.

00:45:53.540 --> 00:45:57.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I don't know what Gina got.

00:45:57.250 --> 00:46:17.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But she she broke this Presbyterian down. Well, actually it was God breaking this Presbyterian downstairs, See? I guess for you, but that's what that's another story. For another day we have to take a quick break, and when we come back we're going to wrap up with Reverend say, cool. This is the dismantled racism show. We'll be right back.

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00:48:22.120 --> 00:48:32.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we are back to wrap up our time with Reverend say, cool, and I just want to say a part of what I have really enjoyed about this conversation

00:48:32.990 --> 00:48:52.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is the profound way in which our ancestors have been honored, and we've been able to see that really is the training that I I know i'm identifying with you, because Carlton and I both grew up in Mississippi.

00:48:52.420 --> 00:49:09.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I know the ways in which the people I was surrounded by. There was, like you said a dignity about them, and they were teaching us sometimes, not even with words, but just ways in which they handle themselves

00:49:09.210 --> 00:49:15.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in a racist society. So I think the fact that we are activists is because

00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:29.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: they were being activists even when they are out there.

00:49:45.210 --> 00:50:03.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The reason why she believes that people fall apart. Sometimes these young people sometimes fall apart over small things is because they don't know how we got through the bigger things

00:50:03.290 --> 00:50:18.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Would you like to leave us with. Are there any final thoughts in the last couple of minutes of the show they like to share with us?

00:50:18.230 --> 00:50:29.310 Rev. Sekou: We saw it manifest in, so I was in a August 1219 0n the 2,017, and we haven't seen it go down. In fact, I

00:50:29.860 --> 00:50:44.920 Rev. Sekou: and Alert went out to all the Jewish synagogues in the country.

00:50:46.390 --> 00:50:47.830 Rev. Sekou: I

00:50:49.110 --> 00:50:52.570 Rev. Sekou: so I think we live in a fastest moment, and that

00:50:54.250 --> 00:51:05.930 Rev. Sekou: so so, so just acknowledging that so in a fastest moment. Black success does not mean community. Progress is never meant that, but it means even less. So it.

00:51:05.950 --> 00:51:11.320 Rev. Sekou: We may have more black billionaires, but the masses of our people continue to suffer.

00:51:11.890 --> 00:51:16.060 Rev. Sekou: And then, lastly, I would say. is.

00:51:16.150 --> 00:51:21.040 Rev. Sekou: what are the ways in which we are

00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:26.860 Rev. Sekou: living out Anti-racism, anti homophobia

00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:30.680 Rev. Sekou: with join

00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:50.220 trying to build and be in community and being each other's, lives in real ways, right? So you know, oftentimes wife will come up to me. They've been to the anti-racist work, so they teach out not to be racist for 45 min.

00:51:51.450 --> 00:51:54.820 Rev. Sekou: and I often. Say, Well, that's nice. But

00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.220 Rev. Sekou: do you Have you ever been to a black field room.

00:52:00.080 --> 00:52:02.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: meaning that somebody loves you enough?

00:52:03.820 --> 00:52:06.190 Rev. Sekou: They when they're putting their mom in the ground

00:52:10.350 --> 00:52:12.160 Rev. Sekou: so different kind of

00:52:12.370 --> 00:52:30.010 Rev. Sekou: relationship.

00:52:30.010 --> 00:52:34.630 Rev. Sekou: And so all of those kinds of questions are fundamental to me about

00:52:36.350 --> 00:52:38.960 Rev. Sekou: this living in a fastest moment

00:52:40.710 --> 00:52:45.090 that requires of us to, you know, to pursue

00:52:45.380 --> 00:52:50.320 Rev. Sekou: joy in our struggle to make the world a little bit better.

00:52:50.680 --> 00:52:51.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah.

00:52:52.320 --> 00:53:07.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So wherever say who I want to just make sure that our audience and the listeners will know how they can get some of your fabulous music, so

00:53:07.660 --> 00:53:20.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: where folks can find it, or you could just, I guess, refer to your website and focus on.

00:53:21.470 --> 00:53:31.860 Rev. Sekou: based on my experience. Running a community center inside goes to zoom, and then the second book is called God's Phase and Guns Essays on religion and the future democracy that

00:53:31.930 --> 00:53:34.700 Rev. Sekou: Well, i'm kind of talking through

00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:47.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the kind of big issues of particular, of election seasons which is about God and days.

00:53:48.080 --> 00:53:51.200 Rev. Sekou: First album is called the Revolution has come.

00:53:51.370 --> 00:54:02.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The second album is called in times like these. and live in Memphis.

00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:05.550 Rev. Sekou: and you can get all of those on spotify, and all of that.

00:54:05.600 --> 00:54:10.420 And then I, Pastor Valley and Mountain.

00:54:10.860 --> 00:54:17.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a fellowship in Seattle, Washington, so that's Valium mountain.org

00:54:17.620 --> 00:54:31.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and your rep. Your website is Reverend seiku.com right?

00:54:31.150 --> 00:54:50.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I really do appreciate you particularly, because I know you were taking an early flight to be somewhere in, and you made it here

00:54:51.170 --> 00:55:08.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because I do believe that you know, as as the Bible talks about. You know, before you were born in the

00:55:08.950 --> 00:55:11.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that, whatever our age is.

00:55:11.430 --> 00:55:12.040 Rev. Sekou: Hmm.

00:55:12.950 --> 00:55:30.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We must use the gifts that we've been given to do the work. God's work to do the work of humanity. because this is what this is ultimately it's not about race at all.

00:55:31.020 --> 00:55:41.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Being my guest today. It has been a privilege. I want to thank my listeners for joining me today, and want to remind you to please go to reverend

00:55:41.710 --> 00:56:04.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: website so that you can learn more about him and get involved in this fight for racial equity, social justice. whatever it is that is on your hard to fight for. Please make sure that you're doing that, and do stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam Leibowitz, where he helps you to walk through life with the greatest of ease and joy.

00:56:04.090 --> 00:56:21.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: may today you tap into that sacred part of you that allows you to make choices that manifest the good in you and those around. You know that we are all one and exist because of one another, make it a priority to share love, hope, compassion, and peace. Today

00:56:22.010 --> 00:56:27.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: be well. Be safe. Be encouraged until next time, Bye, for now.