WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
- How is hunger connected to the climate crisis?
- The release of Trudy's powerful book, The Hunger Crime, is February 7th.We will discuss the power of storytelling with educating on the world hunger crisis.
- Steps you can take to be a humanitarian.
EPISODE SUMMARY:
A native of Princeton, N.J., Trudy E. Bower studied French literature at Smith College and international affairs at Columbia University. Inspired by the writings of Victor Hugo and an internship at the United Nations in New York, she embarked on an overseas career with CARE (Cooperative for Assistance and Relief Everywhere) and the UN World Food Programme spanning thirty years where her interests in social justice, languages, and travel intersected. She managed food assistance programs in India, Bangladesh, Mozambique, Burundi, Madagascar, Cote d’Ivoire, and Ghana—the latter two as country director.
Her most challenging assignments were working in countries where political instability and violence coexisted with managing food emergencies and raising her two daughters.
In 2011, Trudy began co-authoring this book. In 2015, she joined a writing group in Rome, Italy, and started her memoirs. She has contributed articles to two published works of nonfiction. This is her first work of fiction.
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Tonight on the 55th episode, we are LIVE in the HIVE with special guest, author and UN humanitarian, Trudy E. Bower. Sandra shares how she got to know Trudy. She met Trudy through Sam Liebowitz. Trudy and Sam know each other personally through several workshops. Sandra talks about connecting with Trudy and how important she felt to have her on the show especially with the topic of the climate crisis that isn’t always on everyone’s mind or spoken about. Trudy also talks about what identity she leads with. She says that her calling was to become a humanitarian. After retiring early, she realized she was called to service without the “institution”. Although she isn't on the frontline, she still does work dealing with hunger and the climate crisis. She mentions reading the story of Jean Valjean around the time of her internship with the UN. The story is about a man who was condemned for 20 years for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family. It always stuck with her. She mentions loving international affairs focusing on economic development. She talks about having a connection with social justice and peace makers of the world. Trudy discusses the incredible work she has done with others around different countries helping communities and young children.
Trudy and Sandra talk about what is the hunger paradox. Sandra mentions how we have enough food on the planet to feed all 8 billion people, yet we have a food crisis. The term was coined by former president Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1960. This came from his experiences in war and traveling. He observed there were many people and families suffering from malnutrition. Trudy talks about how extreme the situation is more recently. She mentions that the Executive Director of the United Nations World Food Programme, David Beasley, made a comparison between all of the wealth generated during the height of the pandemic. He was begging billionaires for $5 billion to help save 30 million people from dying from hunger. With the UN World Food Program, she speaks about helping empower communities and countries by helping their systems and building markets for their production by buying food from their farmers and markets to feed those in need. Trudy says that some of the causes of the global crisis in the world are conflict, climate change events, covid and costs. She also talks about how fragile our systems still are with things like globalization, supply chains, our institutions, our investments in public health, and emergency preparedness.
Trudy talks about the motivations to write the book with co author John B. Crisci. She mentions that in 2010 when she and John were both working, there were two big disasters. One was the Haiti earthquake that destroyed infrastructure and even banking systems. The year after, there was the Somali drought that killed 206 million people. She also mentions the other citations such as gang violence, food insecurity, and natural disasters in Haiti. After 10 years, Trudy mentions that unfortunately we haven't made much progress as there are political issues. She worked in Africa, but had stories from their colleagues based on true events, showing the perspective of someone who experienced it. Inspired by true events, the book shows a man named Ben Tano who leads a mission into Somalia. But it goes horribly wrong to the point where he's questioning his life and how to survive every day. She also says that she also wanted the story to be exciting and entertaining but also against a backdrop of true humanitarian events, their commitments and who they are; a story about hunger and hope. Trudy also speaks about her vulnerability and ptsd that came with her work being around these communities and army, and being a parent as well. She also mentions wanting to finish her memoirs to tell her story as a woman in this field. Trudy talks about coming back to the U.S in 2016 after being away for 40 years and what it means for her opportunities to come.
The book The Hunger Crime can be purchased when it launches on Amazon and Kindle on February 7th. At hungercrime.com, you can learn more about the book and about John and Trudy as well as links to their social media pages on Twitter, Linkedin and Facebook. Before closing the show, Trudy tells one more story about meeting Mother Teresa in Kolkata. She said to Trudy in a conversation that “we only know too well that what we are doing is nothing more than a drop in the ocean, but if the drop were not there, the ocean would be missing something.” She says that every little bit we do matters. If you want to learn more and/or donate, the organization that she works for is wfp.org or wpusa.org. They are committed to women empowerment, girls education, and school feeding programs.
00:00:10.910 --> 00:00:13.469 welcome, everyone. I'm Sandra Bardman.
00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:18.519 A few years ago I wrote and performed a solo show called the Edge of every day.
00:00:18.750 --> 00:00:24.749 which was an exploration of the rough edges and contradictions we all face and grapple with
00:00:25.110 --> 00:00:32.050 the shows hit a nerve, and the relevance of the topic would only grow over time more than I could have foreseen.
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00:00:59.530 --> 00:01:12.459 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Tonight we are live in the hive with author and UN humanitarian, Trudy E. Bauer, for our 50 fifth episode entitled the Hunger Paradox
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00:02:01.890 --> 00:02:18.610 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: this show is about pushing boundaries and exploring rough edges through conversations, and shared stories with friends and colleagues. It's my hope that we can begin to understand our edges, and what I mean by edges
00:02:18.700 --> 00:02:21.259 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: is those places where we are fearful.
00:02:21.940 --> 00:02:35.949 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: those places where we are resistant to change those places where paradoxes and contradictions live in our beliefs and in our understandings both about ourselves and about the world around us.
00:02:36.450 --> 00:02:38.440 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Listen. We live in edgy.
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00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.290 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and people are complex.
00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:48.469 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: The more we recognize our own edges and get real about them.
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00:02:59.440 --> 00:03:05.260 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and without further your due. It is time to introduce our guest this week.
00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.180 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: A native of Princeton, New Jersey.
00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:18.359 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Trudy E. Bauer studied French literature at Smith College, and International Affairs at Columbia University.
00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:34.990 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Inspired by the writings of Victor Hugo, and an internship at the United Nations in New York she embarked on an overseas career with care, cooperative for assistance and relief everywhere.
00:03:35.040 --> 00:03:47.569 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and the UN World Food Program spanning 30 years where her interests in social justice, languages, and travel intersected.
00:03:48.250 --> 00:04:02.250 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: she managed food assistance programs in India, Bangladesh, Mozambique, Burundi, Madagascar, quote Devoir and Ghana the latter 2 as country director.
00:04:02.710 --> 00:04:13.700 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Her most challenging assignments were working in countries where political instability and violence coexisted with managing food emergencies.
00:04:13.900 --> 00:04:16.010 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and raising her 2 daughters
00:04:16.730 --> 00:04:22.750 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: in 2,011, Trudy began co-authoring the hunger crime.
00:04:22.890 --> 00:04:25.330 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: She has contributed articles to
00:04:25.380 --> 00:04:28.380 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to 2 published works of non-fiction.
00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.439 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: This is her first work of fiction.
00:04:32.200 --> 00:04:35.190 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Hello, and welcome. Trudy Bauer.
00:04:36.780 --> 00:04:39.110 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you're gonna need to unmute my friend.
00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:46.420 trudybower: Thank you so much for having me, Reverend Sandra, and please just call me Sandra. I appreciate that
00:04:46.660 --> 00:04:56.189 trudybower: this is my first live interview, so it will be a a new experience, very, very exciting.
00:04:56.270 --> 00:05:00.530 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: You're diving right in. Well, you have so much to share with the world. So
00:05:01.540 --> 00:05:02.430 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I
00:05:02.580 --> 00:05:07.309 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I know that this must be a little a weave it unnerving for you.
00:05:07.450 --> 00:05:15.879 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: But I I appreciate you just plowing through and doing it, because I know you're going to have to do a bunch of them. So i'm. I'm happy to be your guinea pig.
00:05:16.070 --> 00:05:17.740 trudybower: I'm very happy. You are
00:05:19.760 --> 00:05:21.170 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, i'm, i'm!
00:05:21.230 --> 00:05:25.479 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I'm truly truly thrilled that you're here, Trudy, and
00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:35.340 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: it. Your work is incredible in the world, and I can't wait to share it with our listeners. But I like to start out my show first and foremost to share
00:05:35.540 --> 00:05:38.749 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: how I know my guests and I
00:05:39.020 --> 00:05:53.730 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: don't know you personally, but I've met you through Sam Leibowitz, our fearless leader here@talkradio.nyc. And you can check out his show. The cons conscious consultant on Thursdays
00:05:53.990 --> 00:06:04.139 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: but did. Now, do you know Sam personally?
00:06:04.770 --> 00:06:08.470 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: And well? So of course you came
00:06:09.070 --> 00:06:14.079 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: very highly recommended, and when we had our lovely pre-chat.
00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:19.310 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you and I just clicked, and I had. I was so blown away by
00:06:20.170 --> 00:06:26.240 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I I knew that I so wanted you on the show because I felt like I was
00:06:26.420 --> 00:06:31.550 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: one of the listeners that I really somehow had
00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.250 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: not kept this whole crisis on my radar
00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:42.990 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: like so many people. That's why it's so important to me to have you on the show that
00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:47.109 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I I was kind of overwhelmed at how little I knew.
00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:52.060 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So it's beautiful that you're coming on and going to
00:06:52.280 --> 00:06:57.869 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: mentor us through this process, and inspire all of us to learn more
00:06:58.370 --> 00:07:06.649 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: about this this crisis. So, before we dive into it, I, one of my my questions that I like to ask all of my my
00:07:06.730 --> 00:07:08.020 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: guests
00:07:08.230 --> 00:07:09.390 because it's.
00:07:09.410 --> 00:07:14.100 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: It's an interesting question to to watch how my
00:07:14.900 --> 00:07:16.739 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: my guests answer it.
00:07:16.970 --> 00:07:23.930 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: We all do so many things in this world, and we've traveled all of these paths.
00:07:24.100 --> 00:07:29.540 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and in today's world. We are re-examining what identity even means.
00:07:30.730 --> 00:07:32.829 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So my question to you
00:07:32.980 --> 00:07:34.840 and to all of my guests
00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:39.159 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: is, what identity do you, Trudy.
00:07:39.190 --> 00:07:42.060 lead with in the world?
00:07:44.730 --> 00:07:47.879 trudybower: I have been reflecting on that, and
00:07:48.010 --> 00:07:50.590 trudybower: my calling my vocation
00:07:50.980 --> 00:07:54.259 trudybower: became, I would became a a humanitarian.
00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:56.090 trudybower: and
00:07:56.200 --> 00:08:02.009 trudybower: it was after retiring early in 2,012, so I have not been working for a decade
00:08:02.340 --> 00:08:07.590 trudybower: that I realize I'm still called to service as a humanitarian, and i'm searching
00:08:07.910 --> 00:08:11.849 trudybower: how to serve now without the institution.
00:08:12.010 --> 00:08:22.329 trudybower: And that's what the auspices of that. Yeah, maybe the book would be a an advocacy tool, a way of of
00:08:22.610 --> 00:08:24.410 trudybower: finding my networks
00:08:24.510 --> 00:08:31.850 trudybower: to address hunger in a different way without being on the front lines myself, because I've done that, and I
00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:34.069 trudybower: my my nervous system
00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:53.059 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: is is very happy to rest for a bit, to have yeah to have a break. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, not being on the front lines absolutely, but but continuing to do your service work that you've been called, I love that humanitarian is the identity that you lead with. Of course
00:08:53.170 --> 00:08:59.230 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you popped out of the room. I'm sure, with a sense of service to the world.
00:08:59.410 --> 00:09:03.890 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and that has inspired you to go into all of this work. So so
00:09:04.110 --> 00:09:10.420 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: tell us, before we dive into hunger, and what hunger is, and what the hunger paradox is, how did you
00:09:10.650 --> 00:09:12.440 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you? You had you?
00:09:13.070 --> 00:09:20.659 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: You went, you did a internship at the UN. I was was your goal to work on the hunger crisis.
00:09:20.970 --> 00:09:24.859 trudybower: It wasn't a goal at that time.
00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:30.979 trudybower: I I really was inspired by the French literature, and everyone knows
00:09:31.170 --> 00:09:43.709 trudybower: because it was the story I read in French, and the story of John Valjean, who's a condemned for 20 years for stealing a loaf of bread, and that great discrepancies between rich and poor, and how
00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:53.299 trudybower: I had to prostitute herself to to raise her child. So it it's about the wretched poor, and it always stuck with me, and then I just I.
00:09:53.700 --> 00:10:01.510 trudybower: I was focusing on languages, and then I took some courses in international affairs, and then I got a masters at Columbia.
00:10:01.630 --> 00:10:11.169 trudybower: and I really loved international affairs focusing on economic development. So the new independent countries from the colonial powers
00:10:11.350 --> 00:10:15.529 trudybower: we're needing technical support and and different types of support
00:10:15.570 --> 00:10:18.460 trudybower: in developing their own
00:10:18.760 --> 00:10:27.050 trudybower: social safety nets, their own capacities, and all these areas that have been led by colonial administrators.
00:10:27.090 --> 00:10:31.730 trudybower: So it I was on the cusp of that post colonial
00:10:31.940 --> 00:10:34.180 trudybower: helping this awakening
00:10:34.460 --> 00:10:46.349 trudybower: because my first post in Africa was in Mozambique. It had only been independent 10 years, so it was very exciting and optimistic. It was a very time, even though there was a a lot of
00:10:46.790 --> 00:11:02.209 trudybower: worse. But people had hope people had hope so from i'm saying I went from international affairs, and I went to the UN. And I met a lot of the peacemakers. I saw Willie Branch, who was making overtures to each German and East Germany.
00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:15.009 trudybower: Many of you Don't, know about that, but he made the rap proshmall between East and West Germany that had been separated by World War Ii, and then I would see, like Jimmy Carter and Andrew Young. So I really I I just
00:11:15.100 --> 00:11:33.009 trudybower: felt a connection with the peacemakers and the social justice. So these. When I had a job I wrote job letters, and I had 3 offers. One was in the Department of Commerce. One was going to Japan, and one was going to India with care as an intern.
00:11:33.370 --> 00:11:34.270 trudybower: and
00:11:34.870 --> 00:11:40.209 trudybower: I just gravitated to going to India with
00:11:41.070 --> 00:11:43.050 trudybower: not even a job
00:11:43.310 --> 00:11:47.590 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: interesting. Wait! And did you feel calling to the Indian culture as well.
00:11:48.220 --> 00:11:51.500 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, I was this roll connection
00:11:51.510 --> 00:12:09.860 trudybower: it not not at the beginning. No, but I, one of our professors, had been ambassador there, so he gave me a lot of background. So I I really was looking forward to it, and I I loved that year in India, and I I was 25, and I I learned so much about.
00:12:09.870 --> 00:12:28.810 trudybower: you know community initiative and the discrepancies between the very rich and the very poor, and it was such a rich culture, and nobody knew about its rich history, and it's achievements in physics and science, and you know it's a whole undiscovered world there. And it it was. It was really fascinating.
00:12:28.820 --> 00:12:35.819 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Oh, my goodness, you Well, the the the time that you went there, you you've witnessed an incredible
00:12:36.270 --> 00:12:45.580 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: global shift in people's understanding of what a of a global community of knowing what's happening around the world.
00:12:46.750 --> 00:12:51.969 trudybower: Yes, I've seen countries go forward. I've seen countries go backward. And
00:12:53.180 --> 00:12:53.900 yeah.
00:12:55.180 --> 00:13:02.099 trudybower: many of the countries I had been in were among the least developed, and they had challenges politically
00:13:02.340 --> 00:13:13.110 trudybower: mit ctl
00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:22.819 trudybower: mit ctl. And whatever program it was. It was a reforestation, or it was my favorite. Was school feeding. Because you're investing in a child in the present getting
00:13:22.900 --> 00:13:33.439 trudybower: so they learn they stay in school they don't drop out. They get married later. Particularly girls, and especially girls, are beautiful.
00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.510 trudybower: So that for me is is
00:13:35.540 --> 00:13:40.090 trudybower: is my cause really girls education because I saw what a difference it made.
00:13:40.290 --> 00:13:41.440 trudybower: And
00:13:42.070 --> 00:13:52.900 trudybower: yeah, I I think we accomplished so much, and you feel it at the community level, whereas at a political level. You might think it's too daunting like in our world today.
00:13:52.990 --> 00:13:57.530 trudybower: The challenges at the political level are are seem overwhelming.
00:13:57.780 --> 00:14:10.200 trudybower: but you kind of have to drill down and find the place. Your entry point to make a difference where you, no matter what happened in my life, what happened in the world. I I would go home and say, I said, a kid in school today.
00:14:10.420 --> 00:14:18.309 trudybower: so just gotta find your gift and what your entry point, and and where you can make a difference, because
00:14:18.350 --> 00:14:20.009 trudybower: the global picture
00:14:20.380 --> 00:14:21.979 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: can feel overwhelming.
00:14:22.070 --> 00:14:25.000 trudybower: Overwhelming as was your question
00:14:25.150 --> 00:14:26.020 trudybower: how you
00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:37.100 trudybower: it's it, it it can be quite simply answered, or it's. It's very complex, and most people feel powerless, as I I do on how to make a difference
00:14:37.150 --> 00:14:38.020 trudybower: is all
00:14:38.130 --> 00:14:49.359 trudybower: systems in the politics and the and the players, and who are the players, but it's beyond most of us to to penetrate that well, and and if it's overwhelming, we don't stay attached to hope.
00:14:50.140 --> 00:15:01.500 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and the goal is to stay attached to hope, and which keeps us making choices and taking steps and action, and
00:15:01.900 --> 00:15:11.949 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to be okay with to your point. These small what may feel like small steps are enormous. If all of us did it.
00:15:12.390 --> 00:15:15.559 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: it would, we would change the world.
00:15:15.880 --> 00:15:18.669 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: And on that note we've got to take a break.
00:15:19.890 --> 00:15:28.100 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and when we come back with Trudy Bauer we're going to talk about, what is the hunger paradox, and what is
00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:37.489 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: hunger? And then we're going to dive into her book and hear more stories about her incredible life doing
00:15:38.040 --> 00:15:45.010 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: this great work of service When we come back with Trudy Bauer on the edge of every day. Stay tuned everyone.
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00:17:57.530 --> 00:18:01.460 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: we are back with Trudy Bauer.
00:18:02.450 --> 00:18:07.669 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Okay? Well, we talk a lot about paradox, Of course. Here on the edge of every day
00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:17.969 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the tension between opposites is is is the focus of of our understanding of what the edge really is. And so when I I read
00:18:18.570 --> 00:18:24.390 when I was doing my research on you when you taught you said we need to talk about the hunger paradox.
00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.760 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and to read it
00:18:27.050 --> 00:18:32.229 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: with such a again, such a stick over the head like, Wow!
00:18:32.550 --> 00:18:34.569 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So the hunger paradox.
00:18:35.070 --> 00:18:37.240 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I have a little thing that I I
00:18:37.390 --> 00:18:50.989 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: or I can let you say. What is the hunger paradox. So what tell us? What is it? 100%, and see if our definitely it's? It's the the the hunger is on the rise that we have enough food
00:18:51.420 --> 00:19:02.200 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: on the planet. We create and grow and have enough food on our planet to feed all 8 billionpeople.
00:19:02.930 --> 00:19:04.090 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: And yet
00:19:06.230 --> 00:19:09.579 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: we have all this, this, this, this food crisis?
00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:20.829 trudybower: Yes, well, that that is absolutely correct. And actually the term was coined by one of our former presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1,960,
00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:26.819 trudybower: and from his experiences more and traveling, he had observed there were
00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:36.009 trudybower: hundreds of millions of people suffering from hunger and malnutrition, whereas countries like the Us. Had these vast surpluses.
00:19:36.140 --> 00:19:38.789 trudybower: and he had the Brainchild
00:19:38.940 --> 00:19:57.349 trudybower: to envision a multilateral institution, the World Food Program, part of the UN. System to help it equilibrate the supply and demand and donor countries would transfer their surpluses to the newly independent developing countries.
00:19:57.360 --> 00:20:17.150 trudybower: so that I, he, His idea, was implemented in 61 as an experiment, and in 63 it became instituted. And here we are. It's a sixtieth birthday year, and who could imagine the stars would be aligned that our book would come out the same year as the sixtieth birthday of the World Food program.
00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.710 trudybower: So it's. It's really quite.
00:20:20.500 --> 00:20:24.579 trudybower: It's a beautiful circle there, and the other
00:20:25.350 --> 00:20:28.419 trudybower: hunger paradox was expressed by a
00:20:28.470 --> 00:20:34.380 trudybower: current executive director, who's an American, a former governor, David Beasley.
00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:53.320 trudybower: and he was making the comparison between all the wealth generated by during the Covid period, like at the height of Covid, there was like 2.7 trillion dollars in the stock market generated, and he was begging billionaires for 5 billionto save 30 million people from dying of hunger.
00:20:53.430 --> 00:21:05.520 trudybower: That was his updating of the hunger paradox. So you see the extremes are are becoming even
00:21:06.040 --> 00:21:07.530 trudybower: very sad.
00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:09.979 trudybower: very, very sad.
00:21:10.690 --> 00:21:13.000 trudybower: So that's that's the hunger paradox.
00:21:13.670 --> 00:21:18.550 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, on one of the websites that I that I am doing my research.
00:21:18.630 --> 00:21:22.660 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: It it, it said. What is one of the questions? Was, what is hunger
00:21:23.210 --> 00:21:26.040 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: which I found? That that was a
00:21:26.090 --> 00:21:29.370 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: again, a really stark question, and
00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:35.560 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: that it's more, far more complicated than people, you know, just being hunt, feeling hunger.
00:21:36.140 --> 00:21:52.309 trudybower: Well, it is feeling hunger. It's the body telling you you need food. Many different definitions. Fao and the Food and agricultural organization. Nwp: They tend to say, hunger equals under nourishment, meaning You don't have
00:21:52.620 --> 00:21:54.939 trudybower: energy calories. You need
00:21:55.120 --> 00:22:02.119 trudybower: to live now. Nutrition, healthy life. Now, nutrition is a vast array of
00:22:02.340 --> 00:22:09.380 trudybower: definitions, like a obesity, is malnutrition, so there are many forms of malnutrition, but hunger. They tend to
00:22:09.470 --> 00:22:20.789 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: link it to calories for survival, the energy calories to survive. So that's well, and I also appreciated the how it it talked about the interconnectedness of poverty
00:22:20.910 --> 00:22:40.260 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and inequality and conflict, political conflict and climate change and weak government and health systems. All of this driving, you know, to understand the problems, the crises, that we are all like the climate crises which we're going to get into as well, but
00:22:40.270 --> 00:22:41.110 that the
00:22:41.250 --> 00:22:42.650 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: they're all linked.
00:22:43.410 --> 00:22:46.480 trudybower: Well, I was reflecting on your very complex
00:22:46.500 --> 00:22:47.520 trudybower: question.
00:22:48.020 --> 00:22:51.540 trudybower: And actually the the hunger crisis
00:22:51.700 --> 00:22:57.370 trudybower: was a perfect storm of of 4 threats we call them in in the
00:22:57.830 --> 00:23:01.340 emergency preparedness lingo
00:23:01.430 --> 00:23:06.100 trudybower: the number one cause of hunger today's conflict, and
00:23:06.470 --> 00:23:17.800 trudybower: out of every dollar that wp spends 80 cents will go to the man-made disasters versus development building capacity supporting for small farmers. So
00:23:17.930 --> 00:23:21.360 trudybower: 80 cents is going to saving lives due to conflict.
00:23:21.820 --> 00:23:27.159 trudybower: which which is a band-aid it it. It's not getting to the core issues.
00:23:27.270 --> 00:23:33.590 trudybower: Okay, so there's there's 4 causes of the global crisis. The number one was conflict, this
00:23:34.450 --> 00:23:45.760 trudybower: climate change events. Actually, we notice these trends in the nineties we were 80% development and 20% emergencies in the nineties. And all of a sudden.
00:23:45.980 --> 00:23:56.319 trudybower: between the war in Yugoslavia. And then there was drought in South Africa and drought in the Horn. So we were facing 3 Mega emergencies at once, and we started having to plan
00:23:56.360 --> 00:23:57.880 trudybower: for more
00:23:58.470 --> 00:24:10.950 trudybower: big emergencies every year, and and the donors were shifting their funds to emergencies. So, practically overnight we went from 80% of our funding to development to 8 90%
00:24:11.210 --> 00:24:13.809 trudybower: to emergencies. So the development
00:24:13.830 --> 00:24:15.689 trudybower: funds sort of dwindled.
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:17.920 trudybower: and and that really was
00:24:17.990 --> 00:24:21.049 trudybower: harmful to long-term sustainability.
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:26.279 trudybower: because the emergencies were saving lives. But then we had to move into.
00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:38.710 trudybower: We we had a progression where we just didn't stop feeding. We tried them, get them back into their livelihoods and support them with tools and seeds and resettlement, and working with Hcr. To bring back refugees. But
00:24:38.750 --> 00:24:42.410 trudybower: having, you know, this development money
00:24:42.430 --> 00:24:47.630 trudybower: to to plant trees, to do more agra forestry and land reclamation.
00:24:48.250 --> 00:24:54.610 trudybower: This is a function of also donor priorities that they want food to be used to save lives first.
00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:58.779 trudybower: and and they felt food. Aid was expensive. However, since then
00:24:58.870 --> 00:25:01.699 trudybower: it's no longer in kind
00:25:01.810 --> 00:25:03.970 trudybower: over 60% cash.
00:25:04.020 --> 00:25:13.850 trudybower: and we've really empowered the recipient countries and communities because we're buying the food, either in the country or in the community, from small farmers.
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:20.849 trudybower: or in the region or internationally. So we're doing less of a transfer of our food to their country
00:25:20.990 --> 00:25:21.830 to
00:25:21.950 --> 00:25:24.980 trudybower: using, getting those systems in place for them.
00:25:25.010 --> 00:25:28.510 trudybower: So they're they're we're building markets for their production.
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:32.219 trudybower: And and so it's very exciting to have the aid.
00:25:32.420 --> 00:25:47.809 trudybower: Paradigm is changed, so it's. It's not transferring surpluses, but it's giving the equivalent and money. So you're improving, You know, a former capacity and market to Mars structures. Yeah, yeah, that's a hopeful comment in the middle of this conversation. But before the climate change.
00:25:50.850 --> 00:25:57.740 trudybower: yeah, the second one is is climate change events. So we Haven't had all the the
00:25:57.840 --> 00:26:00.180 trudybower: funds to really prepare
00:26:00.330 --> 00:26:03.360 trudybower: as as I. And why is that
00:26:03.840 --> 00:26:08.100 trudybower: it? Because emergency?
00:26:08.130 --> 00:26:12.280 trudybower: Because it was always a priority to save lives, and move on and and
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:23.889 trudybower: recover and move on. But I think we see the same mentalities and all our governments in terms of prevention or repair of infrastructure. It always gets shifted, and and to
00:26:24.330 --> 00:26:33.149 trudybower: to deal with other priorities, or to spend less money. But the long term investments seem to be put off until something breaks, and then they want to fix it.
00:26:34.360 --> 00:26:35.110 trudybower: Yeah.
00:26:36.050 --> 00:26:40.509 trudybower: for me. The climate.
00:26:41.470 --> 00:26:44.439 trudybower: this whole hunger crisis
00:26:44.750 --> 00:26:56.089 trudybower: has just revealed the fragility of our systems, our institutions, and our systems in all the areas. So before I forget them all. But I i'd said the number One was conflict. Then there was
00:26:56.180 --> 00:26:59.190 trudybower: climate events. And how did
00:26:59.310 --> 00:27:00.160 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Covid
00:27:00.230 --> 00:27:02.550 trudybower: and then
00:27:02.580 --> 00:27:03.440 trudybower: costs?
00:27:03.770 --> 00:27:17.989 trudybower: So those were like threats that that really decimated developing countries in terms of indebtedness, and they didn't have the Covid vaccines, so they were. They were sick longer, and countries like China. The supply chains were disrupted.
00:27:18.430 --> 00:27:30.220 trudybower: and the last one, of course, was the war in Ukraine, where Ukraine fed 400 millionpeople, and then became a beneficiary of food assistance, because have enough
00:27:30.340 --> 00:27:31.960 food to feed themselves.
00:27:33.050 --> 00:27:37.360 trudybower: So we have all of these elements of this
00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:39.129 trudybower: global crisis.
00:27:39.350 --> 00:27:44.519 trudybower: and although the food and the and the sort of fuel prices have more or less stabilized.
00:27:44.650 --> 00:27:56.719 trudybower: the elements of the fragility are still there. I mean, we've seen a lot of aggregated wealth and a lot of the food chains are, and globalization has led to a few suppliers controlling all of the
00:27:57.040 --> 00:28:06.190 trudybower: and and countries opt to bring in the cheaper grain import rather than investing in their own production, which we happen to be doing when I was there.
00:28:06.630 --> 00:28:19.639 trudybower: in sort of the 2,000 we were trying to produce rice in in West Africa, and it was too expensive for us to buy compared to Asia, so our rules wouldn't allow us to buy it unless I met this the
00:28:19.760 --> 00:28:22.280 trudybower: parity in the international price.
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:28.599 trudybower: but that even that the country couldn't afford it, so they, the Government, rather bring bring the Chief Asian rice in.
00:28:29.080 --> 00:28:33.999 trudybower: Oh, my goodness! Oh, the the the supply chains have been severely disrupted by
00:28:35.280 --> 00:28:35.930 Yeah.
00:28:35.970 --> 00:28:36.770 bye.
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:38.200 trudybower: by Covid.
00:28:38.530 --> 00:28:42.739 trudybower: But they were already fragile, and, as we know, globalization didn't benefit everybody.
00:28:42.780 --> 00:28:45.219 trudybower: which is why we're having a lot of our
00:28:47.150 --> 00:28:51.879 trudybower: struggles now with inflation and and jobs and
00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:55.500 trudybower: communities that disappear because
00:28:55.530 --> 00:28:57.170 the steel meals go out of business and things.
00:28:57.930 --> 00:29:06.539 trudybower: So yeah, we've had a perfect storm, and I think we've seen the fragility of our institutions, our investment of public health.
00:29:06.690 --> 00:29:12.359 trudybower: our emergency preparedness, I mean, we did pandemic preparedness
00:29:12.570 --> 00:29:17.959 trudybower: in the late nineties early 2,000. So with the military we trained all over the world
00:29:18.080 --> 00:29:19.130 trudybower: the UN.
00:29:19.560 --> 00:29:21.940 trudybower: But then our country was not prepared.
00:29:22.100 --> 00:29:24.799 trudybower: which was shocking to me
00:29:25.630 --> 00:29:27.030 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: it's really shocking.
00:29:27.550 --> 00:29:28.790 trudybower: So
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.830 trudybower: the the final thing about
00:29:32.130 --> 00:29:33.620 trudybower: storm is that
00:29:34.260 --> 00:29:37.120 trudybower: if the number one cause is conflict.
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.909 trudybower: hunger is a failure of governance and political will.
00:29:42.120 --> 00:29:43.570 trudybower: That is
00:29:43.800 --> 00:29:44.870 trudybower: the climate
00:29:45.490 --> 00:29:53.610 trudybower: crisis. It is a failure of government commitment and and a political will. So we can
00:29:54.050 --> 00:29:59.130 trudybower: address those. These bigger root causes cannot be addressed.
00:29:59.560 --> 00:30:03.589 trudybower: We cannot solve these issues without getting real.
00:30:03.850 --> 00:30:07.350 trudybower: you know, as citizens. I I I guess
00:30:07.520 --> 00:30:13.079 trudybower: we have to be vocal. We we have, we we may have to sit out on the street like
00:30:13.580 --> 00:30:17.290 trudybower: Greta Tunberg, or, or, you know, have a movement
00:30:17.320 --> 00:30:22.589 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: that will well, and I think that we do. But we have to be even more vocal.
00:30:22.670 --> 00:30:29.270 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and that's this is a perfect segue. We've got to take a break. We've all got to become more vocal.
00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:32.649 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: even more vocal, and your book
00:30:33.180 --> 00:30:34.579 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: is a part of that.
00:30:34.990 --> 00:30:40.270 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So when when we come back No, I know. So when we come back
00:30:40.890 --> 00:30:47.260 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: with Treaty Bower we're going to dive full on into her book that She's co-authored
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:55.709 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the hunger crime and the power of storytelling to educate when we come back with Trudy Bauer on the edge of every day. Stay tuned.
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00:32:56.900 --> 00:32:59.180 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and we are back with Trudy Bauer.
00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:02.290 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So I'm going to need you to unmute.
00:33:06.820 --> 00:33:08.230 trudybower: Here I am.
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.970 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Congratulations! The hunger crime
00:33:12.110 --> 00:33:13.689 is here in the world
00:33:13.760 --> 00:33:15.899 on the sixtieth anniversary.
00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:18.110 Amazing!
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:28.089 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: What's also amazing is that you started writing this book in 2,011 with your partner, John.
00:33:28.170 --> 00:33:29.140 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Appreciate!
00:33:29.530 --> 00:33:31.370 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Shout out to John
00:33:31.600 --> 00:33:33.650 trudybower: about you
00:33:34.100 --> 00:33:36.200 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: we're celebrating. Oh, I love it
00:33:37.330 --> 00:33:39.330 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: so.
00:33:39.380 --> 00:33:45.769 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So what tell us the story? What was the motivation to write this book? With John?
00:33:46.970 --> 00:33:50.750 trudybower: Many motivations we started at the
00:33:51.620 --> 00:33:58.999 trudybower: in 2,011. We were both working, and it was the period when they had 2 of the biggest disasters
00:33:59.690 --> 00:34:03.730 trudybower: in history. One was the Haiti earthquake.
00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:10.039 trudybower: which happened in the capital which decimated everything, the infrastructure, the banking systems.
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:19.510 trudybower: and and it unfold in 2,010, and we were both in headquarters. So we we were close to all of the the nerve center of how it.
00:34:19.690 --> 00:34:20.569 trudybower: how it.
00:34:21.710 --> 00:34:34.380 trudybower: how the response was mounted. And then the next year we had again the Somali drought, which was a drought that had killed 260 millionSo we say it's topical, because now
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.540 trudybower: we're in a fourth year of Somalia drought.
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:38.679 trudybower: and
00:34:39.080 --> 00:34:49.540 trudybower: and there's still millions of people who are are on the brink of famine, and Haiti is is subject to had another earthquake.
00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:51.200 trudybower: It has
00:34:51.250 --> 00:34:57.340 trudybower: gang violence. It has food insecurity. It has cyclones, hurricanes.
00:34:57.570 --> 00:34:59.689 trudybower: and it's it's
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.819 trudybower: it's a really tough place it's, it's it's one of the most affected by
00:35:05.290 --> 00:35:13.009 trudybower: multi-emergencies so after 10 years, you know we Haven't really made much progress in
00:35:13.140 --> 00:35:13.899 no
00:35:14.020 --> 00:35:17.679 trudybower: prevention, because these are political
00:35:17.810 --> 00:35:19.970 trudybower: issue, gun political will
00:35:20.230 --> 00:35:23.249 trudybower: place. I mean, they do have a weak government, Somalia
00:35:24.660 --> 00:35:26.580 trudybower: and and Haiti has no but
00:35:26.720 --> 00:35:27.479 yeah
00:35:27.530 --> 00:35:46.419 trudybower: mit Ctl. And the time being so, these are these are really challenging issues, and and also very unsafe countries to work in. So because we were there, we used these, inspired by all these true events of the stories of the people who worked there like we ourselves did not work in those countries. I worked in Africa 150.
00:35:46.430 --> 00:35:48.030 trudybower: John worked in, you know.
00:35:48.780 --> 00:36:00.599 trudybower: and also Africa in a few places. But for these emergencies we we had the stories from our colleagues. So a lot of stories are based on true events. So we try to give the perspective of famine
00:36:00.710 --> 00:36:03.179 trudybower: from the point of view of a village
00:36:03.200 --> 00:36:14.870 trudybower: suffering from famine, and what their choices were, and particularly we follow a woman named Suhila. The choice is to migrate her to die, and and then they head to the border to try to get to the refugee camp.
00:36:14.890 --> 00:36:21.869 trudybower: We we have the protagonist, Bentano, who who leads a mission into Somalia and
00:36:22.490 --> 00:36:26.940 trudybower: has an event there, and it's upended his life, and he's trying to deal with.
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:34.299 trudybower: How do you say, the collateral damage of all of all of the danger that he's been confronted with. And
00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:37.360 trudybower: so it's also it's it's layered.
00:36:37.520 --> 00:36:41.080 trudybower: and it's here in events. But it's a hero's journey as well.
00:36:41.220 --> 00:36:44.839 trudybower: because it's how a bentano he finds his way back
00:36:45.110 --> 00:36:47.429 trudybower: to to peace and Hope
00:36:47.590 --> 00:36:48.620 trudybower: and Noi.
00:36:48.940 --> 00:36:53.970 trudybower: after giving away a lot and and suffering, and and
00:36:54.710 --> 00:37:02.279 trudybower: going through Ptsd. So I I think there's a little of this story for everyone, really who suffered trauma. I think of
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.229 trudybower: the military. But we wanted this book to
00:37:05.350 --> 00:37:12.229 trudybower: be highly entertaining, because it is a crime thriller very fast. It's a very light plot.
00:37:12.430 --> 00:37:22.839 trudybower: with the subtext of the hero's journey. So we wanted it to be exciting, and like a roller coaster, but also against a backdrop
00:37:23.550 --> 00:37:26.149 trudybower: of true humanitarian events. So
00:37:26.430 --> 00:37:28.729 trudybower: I say it's about hunger, and it's about hope.
00:37:28.810 --> 00:37:33.129 trudybower: So we want to, as the paradox people to feel hopeful
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.399 trudybower: that this one man navigated
00:37:37.140 --> 00:37:38.279 trudybower: his life
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:47.470 trudybower: and ended up on the other side, and how we, how he's been inspired, we all by all the other actors and his Bromance with his African Mentor.
00:37:47.750 --> 00:37:54.790 trudybower: So it's. Oh, interesting. We know, so they all know who they are. But it also was
00:37:54.980 --> 00:38:14.529 trudybower: a community effort, because a lot of I, when I acknowledgements we had a lot of our colleagues give their stories, and and I read the early manuscripts and read the current manuscripts, and do testimonials. So it's not just our book. It's the book of our community, and it's a window into our lives.
00:38:14.540 --> 00:38:16.189 trudybower: our sacrifices.
00:38:16.250 --> 00:38:33.320 trudybower: our commitments, and who we are as an institution and people working for this wonderful legacy and the service that you you have provided You mentioned. Ptsd. Did Did you go through any of that in your work? Oh, yes, I did.
00:38:33.510 --> 00:38:51.690 trudybower: I can only imagine I mean we're i'm i'm chuckling. But, my God! I can only imagine. Well, it it's not always the logical things, the things I I mean. I went to 7 coup attempts. I I went through 2, you know, Presidential assassinations, and the things that should have given me Ptsd. Were
00:38:51.700 --> 00:38:53.839 trudybower: we're Not necessarily that.
00:38:54.080 --> 00:38:58.619 trudybower: But there were a lot of events like my daughter's car accident, where she
00:38:58.730 --> 00:39:02.320 trudybower: could have died, and I was in Africa, and I couldn't get
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.079 trudybower: good expertise, and you know things like personal things
00:39:07.110 --> 00:39:08.250 trudybower: traumatizing.
00:39:10.120 --> 00:39:20.740 trudybower: and I think those events in trying to protect them in a bedroom when we have army going door to door looting and that kind of thing. So it was the trauma of trying to protect them
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.039 that that really
00:39:22.270 --> 00:39:36.170 trudybower: took a lot out of me when I was alone I I felt I always felt safe. I I always say, when in one of Jane Goodall's movies she said, that the snakes never bothered her because she belonged there, and I never felt personally threatened
00:39:36.350 --> 00:39:38.050 trudybower: but once. I had children
00:39:38.310 --> 00:39:48.599 trudybower: I you know I had to be. I had to take care of the staff. I'd evacuate them from the office, and I had to try to get home in the middle of these coups and pick up my kids at school, and it, you know.
00:39:48.670 --> 00:39:59.990 trudybower: and there were a lot of conflicting priorities. It's also a woman's journey, and I i'm. I'm hoping to do my memoirs because I didn't have an ending.
00:40:00.190 --> 00:40:06.150 trudybower: But you know this: my story is also kind of interesting, and, as I said
00:40:06.530 --> 00:40:08.749 trudybower: how women came up in
00:40:08.990 --> 00:40:13.979 trudybower: in the area of international humanitarianism, because at the beginning women were not
00:40:14.420 --> 00:40:15.060 it
00:40:15.630 --> 00:40:18.760 trudybower: admitted to to these professional positions.
00:40:19.310 --> 00:40:20.310 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Oh, my!
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:29.059 trudybower: I mean I mean well, it's affecting the women and children the most. Yeah. Well in, I think it was early. Seventys care opened their doors to
00:40:29.230 --> 00:40:31.199 trudybower: posting women overseas.
00:40:31.270 --> 00:40:48.860 trudybower: and then the UN. Had a commitment to gender equality and recruitments. So that's when I started 85. They were looking for women, and of course i'd been in a sub-office in Bangladesh for 2 years by myself, so I had the experience to show them. I could do this because they
00:40:48.870 --> 00:40:51.560 trudybower: they didn't believe that women could go out there.
00:40:52.250 --> 00:40:53.290 trudybower: and
00:40:53.630 --> 00:40:57.799 trudybower: they thought, oh, my first boss wouldn't let me travel because he said i'd be raped.
00:40:58.150 --> 00:41:00.020 trudybower: so I had to like
00:41:00.140 --> 00:41:01.879 trudybower: place him down. But
00:41:02.630 --> 00:41:07.429 trudybower: in the end we we could, we could do it, we we we did it.
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:09.790 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Of course you did
00:41:09.870 --> 00:41:23.279 trudybower: apprehensions what was really exciting. We had a female executive director. So she started mentoring and giving leadership to 2 professionals we got. We got promotions. We got to be higher level managers, and at the
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.660 trudybower: at the bottom at the other link to the chain.
00:41:26.990 --> 00:41:32.559 trudybower: We're giving food aid, and she insisted that women become members of the committees.
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:44.260 trudybower: and they're written into our agreements, and the women became the card holders. So the food went directly in the hands of the women instead of the men, because the men might barter it for alcohol or cigarettes.
00:41:44.280 --> 00:42:00.359 trudybower: So she revolutionized how we put hunger solutions in the hands of women, women, managers, and as recipients, so it was an exciting time to see that in the ninetys, because before women couldn't get beyond one.
00:42:00.640 --> 00:42:05.149 trudybower: The sort of low professional levels there were. No. Is that still in place now.
00:42:05.510 --> 00:42:15.209 trudybower: No, no, it's it's she. She did a great job. Yeah, what I think. When I entered it was 13% professional women. And
00:42:15.590 --> 00:42:21.330 trudybower: and now it's I I don't know what the figure is, but it's over 30% or 40%.
00:42:21.540 --> 00:42:24.419 trudybower: I think that you know, depending on the leadership.
00:42:24.530 --> 00:42:27.970 trudybower: Sometimes women don't always
00:42:28.340 --> 00:42:32.110 trudybower: it depends who is leading, and it depends
00:42:32.470 --> 00:42:41.339 trudybower: who the influencers are. So you have. In other words, it's like democracy. You have to be vigilant because your rights can be taken away very quickly.
00:42:41.670 --> 00:42:50.580 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: as oh, as we have seen, with all of the the bubbles that we have been living in, have been popped.
00:42:50.720 --> 00:42:53.849 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: All of the strides that we feel have are
00:42:54.300 --> 00:42:55.950 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: non-negotiable now.
00:42:55.980 --> 00:43:14.759 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yes, have seemingly just the rug has been pulled. So this is a great seg into your coming back into the country in 2,016 you had shared with me. You know how overwhelming and and bizarre to come back into the United States. When you know when all
00:43:14.860 --> 00:43:19.119 this major political shift was happening here in the United States.
00:43:20.020 --> 00:43:28.160 trudybower: I have to say when I I I had hoped to retire in Italy because I had spent 15 years there because it's the headquarters headquarters. Yes.
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:37.979 trudybower: However, they started enacting these global taxes so that they would tax me as an American and as an Italian resident. So it got complicated. So I came back 250.
00:43:38.300 --> 00:43:45.820 trudybower: I was away 40 years, and I didn't feel much like an American anymore. And when I came and I
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.129 trudybower: I heard the rhetoric and the
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:49.740 trudybower: polarization.
00:43:50.380 --> 00:43:55.919 trudybower: and it was very frightening to me because it's i'd been through something similar in Ivory Coast.
00:43:56.230 --> 00:43:59.120 trudybower: It was the most stable country in Africa.
00:43:59.140 --> 00:44:02.080 trudybower: It was the motor of West Africa.
00:44:02.250 --> 00:44:18.539 trudybower: and next door in Liberia. They'd had 2 decades of civil war when they were warlords. But then the economy sort of had a downturn in and Iry coast, and they started talking about the immigrants, and they're taking the jobs sound familiar. Oh, my lord, and I said I said, but
00:44:18.610 --> 00:44:24.970 trudybower: I see it could happen here because there's a North South issue. There's ethnicities, there's religion.
00:44:25.010 --> 00:44:32.600 trudybower: But I said, these men are professors. They are businessmen. They're politicians. They're smart men. They're not going to let it happen.
00:44:33.070 --> 00:44:33.959 They did.
00:44:34.100 --> 00:44:49.339 trudybower: It spiraled into civil war. While I was there I went through 7 coup attempts in the country, splitting 2 into a civil war for 10 years. So after this trauma I go to headquarters, and then I I I retire in 2,012, and then 2,016 I come back.
00:44:49.670 --> 00:44:57.600 trudybower: It's almost like I'm reliving Ivory Coast. So it's very traumatized, i'm sure when they had the elections
00:44:57.870 --> 00:45:04.599 trudybower: this time I kept saying to everybody get gas, you know. Make sure you have cash. I mean. I was ready
00:45:04.720 --> 00:45:11.610 trudybower: in in many of these countries. When you prepare for an election you stay at home, and you prepare for anything.
00:45:12.650 --> 00:45:15.390 trudybower: And then and then the January sixth event.
00:45:16.040 --> 00:45:25.350 trudybower: where no one's in charge. I had that feeling like no one's in charge. No one's coming to the rescue. It is the most frightening feeling in the world
00:45:25.460 --> 00:45:30.820 trudybower: to be in a country to be in danger, and I know how those people felt in there trapped
00:45:31.190 --> 00:45:33.199 trudybower: no one's coming to rescue them.
00:45:33.600 --> 00:45:43.529 trudybower: So this this is I I I can't believe i'm living through this in my own country. It's it's heartbreaking, because I thought my journey was over.
00:45:44.510 --> 00:45:47.889 trudybower: and the and the hardship was behind me.
00:45:48.610 --> 00:45:51.150 trudybower: But coming here at this time.
00:45:53.000 --> 00:46:05.090 trudybower: maybe there's something for me to do here. I'm not Well, there most definitely is. And you you said I am not to missed, and I get. I don't get too too down in the weed. So I don't. I don't read a lot of the
00:46:05.200 --> 00:46:19.029 trudybower: stuff I see on. I don't watch much TV. I don't read a lot of news, because I I just have to parse what I what I let into my brain. I'm in the Us. Retiring.
00:46:19.650 --> 00:46:29.029 trudybower: I've been more of a hermit than anything. So this this could be my opportunity, and both of us, John and I, to to find
00:46:29.130 --> 00:46:31.830 trudybower: find networks and find a voice.
00:46:31.850 --> 00:46:43.830 trudybower: And this book it it could reach many people in different ways. We have our own community. It celebrates our community, and most importantly, it honors humanitarianism. I don't think I spoke about that.
00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:55.599 trudybower: but I looked it up. It's the it's the that belief in the value of human life, and this is something I think i'm hearing so much about humanity when Tyrre was was
00:46:55.850 --> 00:46:58.139 trudybower: murdered, and the and the care
00:46:58.170 --> 00:47:03.380 trudybower: one of the spokesperson said, You're going to see acts that defy humanity.
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:04.439 trudybower: Yes.
00:47:04.590 --> 00:47:07.130 trudybower: how we got to this point
00:47:07.200 --> 00:47:08.620 trudybower: we're human life
00:47:09.060 --> 00:47:16.680 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: has no value, for some has no value. Yes. Well, we have to take a break through the but this is this is
00:47:18.970 --> 00:47:21.450 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: it's really it in a nutshell. We're here
00:47:21.700 --> 00:47:25.319 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: this where we, those of us with a voice.
00:47:25.430 --> 00:47:46.300 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: have to stand up and share it in a big way. And you doing this podcast and writing your book and getting your story out and using the power of storytelling to educate people, and for me to use this podcast as a platform all in the service of these challenging times in which we find ourselves.
00:47:46.410 --> 00:48:03.680 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So we're going to take a break. We're going to come back for our last section, and we're going to find out where you can get this book, and it's launching on February seventh, and we'll share those details when we come back with Trudy Bauer on the edge of every day
00:48:03.700 --> 00:48:04.899 stay tuned.
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00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:13.619 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and we are back with Trudy Bauer, so the hunger crime
00:50:14.160 --> 00:50:17.149 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: by Trudy Bauer and John Krishy
00:50:18.460 --> 00:50:21.690 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: can be purchased on Amazon.
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:36.049 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: for on the seventh it launches February seventh launches on Amazon, and you can get it Correct me if i'm wrong for a dollar. 99 for 24 h. Correct, correct.
00:50:36.530 --> 00:50:41.439 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So mark your calendars folks run don't walk to get this book
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:49.650 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: on kindle on Amazon. I'm sure that there's a link on your website.
00:50:50.060 --> 00:50:52.250 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the crime.
00:50:52.690 --> 00:50:56.969 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the hunger crime com is where you can find
00:50:57.310 --> 00:51:06.429 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: information about Trudy and John, and again about the book, the Inspiration, etc. Etc.
00:51:09.890 --> 00:51:12.299 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: You are also on Twitter.
00:51:13.610 --> 00:51:16.020 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: T. E. B. Talks
00:51:16.710 --> 00:51:20.030 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: at T, E. I do my research journey. Come on.
00:51:20.540 --> 00:51:25.810 trudybower: I I don't know how to use Twitter, but I am on it. I I saw you there. I was.
00:51:25.910 --> 00:51:28.139 trudybower: It's all good. I'm learning
00:51:29.050 --> 00:51:32.210 It's it's a beautiful thing, this learning curve of life.
00:51:32.270 --> 00:51:34.840 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: of getting our voices out in the world.
00:51:36.460 --> 00:51:45.930 trudybower: I know social media can drive us a little insane. Yes, I say, I have one more voice to include in this conversation before we run out of time. Oh, yeah.
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:48.570 trudybower: Can I can, of course, dive in.
00:51:48.590 --> 00:51:50.870 trudybower: I have. I have Mother Teresa.
00:51:51.180 --> 00:51:53.130 trudybower: and I met her in Calcutta.
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:54.629 trudybower: and
00:51:54.750 --> 00:51:56.620 trudybower: she's often with me in my
00:51:57.090 --> 00:51:58.069 in my
00:51:58.700 --> 00:51:59.460 sort of
00:51:59.770 --> 00:52:02.249 trudybower: consciousness. But she said.
00:52:02.790 --> 00:52:08.779 trudybower: and this spoke to me. We only know too well that what we are doing is nothing more than a drop in the ocean.
00:52:09.270 --> 00:52:10.839 trudybower: but the drop would not.
00:52:12.050 --> 00:52:16.680 trudybower: But if the drop we're not there, the ocean would be missing something.
00:52:17.190 --> 00:52:25.129 trudybower: So, in other words, every little bit we do matters. Yes, the gift that we are the light that we bring.
00:52:25.200 --> 00:52:29.079 trudybower: If you want to learn more, if you want to donate.
00:52:30.060 --> 00:52:34.480 trudybower: The organization we worked for is Wfp. Org.
00:52:34.530 --> 00:52:38.039 trudybower: or there's a Wp. U.S.A. dot org.
00:52:38.230 --> 00:52:39.069 trudybower: and
00:52:39.170 --> 00:52:45.250 trudybower: we are committed to women's, empowerment girls, education and school feeding programs.
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:57.990 trudybower: and we will see how we can support them further beyond advocacy. But right now we're doing advocacy because these programs are highlighted in the book, as that means to
00:52:59.570 --> 00:53:08.709 trudybower: the expansion of of the women in the in the book, some of the women in the book.
00:53:09.390 --> 00:53:10.849 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: of course, through the women.
00:53:11.680 --> 00:53:12.299 Yeah.
00:53:12.580 --> 00:53:15.350 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: okay.
00:53:15.660 --> 00:53:17.200 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: What else did?
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:22.409 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: What else did you need other resources. That's what I wanted to.
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:30.069 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I want it, and I quickly wanted to touch on your memoirs as well. Do you have any?
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:37.419 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: You know time when you're you started those in 2,015, any sort of sense of when that might be out in the world as well.
00:53:38.390 --> 00:53:45.430 trudybower: Well, I didn't get very far. I I I I have 250 pages, and I haven't gotten out of Ghana. So
00:53:45.820 --> 00:53:59.750 trudybower: so, and I I didn't have an ending. But I understand now. If I I write it, will it will. It will show itself to me. So, of course it is a it's on creative identity. I hope now, with with this
00:53:59.890 --> 00:54:08.520 trudybower: experience of the hunger crime which which really was meaningful to me, I I love this story. I love this story.
00:54:10.470 --> 00:54:11.549 trudybower: so
00:54:12.900 --> 00:54:18.500 trudybower: I I don't want to say a date, because I just I will start working on it this year, and in
00:54:18.510 --> 00:54:37.719 trudybower: next year that you're after. I I hope that I will have something that could be a legacy for women. I also didn't know the age Groups of the people who follow you. That would be interesting because we wanted to try to reach a younger audience. You know the millennials coming up. You know what kind of leadership choices they're making.
00:54:37.730 --> 00:54:40.470 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, I have a diverse listenership.
00:54:40.980 --> 00:54:46.730 trudybower: That's good, because we hope this will appeal to many different segments
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:59.040 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: absolutely, absolutely, and that and I will continue to do anything, you know, when the seventh comes around to to promote this and make sure that I am in contact with some of the younger women in my life.
00:54:59.380 --> 00:55:01.729 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and I urge my listeners
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:03.290 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to do the same.
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:07.399 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to share this with the younger generation coming up.
00:55:07.650 --> 00:55:13.360 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Help them use this story, Use the power of storytelling
00:55:13.390 --> 00:55:23.730 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to educate on this the vast web of these crises coming together, I mean, as we are seeing the system, all the systems breaking down.
00:55:24.160 --> 00:55:27.779 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: We we've all got to use our voices to
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:40.859 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: speak as to how it can, we can rebuild. So we are 2 min to our break. I want to thank you, Trudy Bauer, we've included all of the places we can find you.
00:55:41.150 --> 00:55:48.760 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: You're also on Linkedin and you are on Facebook. So again Twitter, Linkedin and Facebook folks
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:50.130 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and
00:55:50.170 --> 00:55:52.059 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the hunger
00:55:53.260 --> 00:55:55.449 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: prime.com
00:55:56.130 --> 00:55:58.759 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: February seventh. Mark your calendar.
00:55:59.160 --> 00:56:11.140 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Trudy Bauer. Thank you so much for coming on the edge of every day and sharing your story and your wisdom and your generous spirit. It's been a complete pleasure having you.
00:56:11.250 --> 00:56:15.400 trudybower: Well, thank you so much. It was. It was lovely speaking, with you
00:56:17.300 --> 00:56:25.909 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and to my listeners. I thank you for spending this hour with me in honor of the miserable and your love of
00:56:26.560 --> 00:56:27.450 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: of
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:33.590 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Victor Hugo. I am going to close our time together with a quote from him.
00:56:35.040 --> 00:56:40.340 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Nations like stars, are entitled to eclipse.
00:56:40.490 --> 00:56:47.180 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: All is well provided; the light returns and the eclipse does not become endless. Night.
00:56:47.350 --> 00:56:50.999 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: dawn, and resurrection are synonymous.
00:56:51.140 --> 00:56:58.990 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: The reappearance of the light is the same as the survival of the soul.
00:57:00.190 --> 00:57:07.060 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and that is what your book speaks about, and that is what our work in the world speaks about.
00:57:07.730 --> 00:57:18.380 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So thank you again, Trudy, and thank you to my listeners until we meet again next week. You are always at the edge of the miraculous. Take good care!
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