Thursdays 11:00am - 12:00pm (EDT)
WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
The audience will gain insight about how the embodiment of race is weaponized.
EPISODE SUMMARY:
What is embodiment and what does it have to do with dismantling racism and racial equity? How is it used as a weapon? We know that race is both socially constructed and non-biological. Yet, it is important to take a deep dive into the complexity of race as it is also bio-cultural, intellectual, and spiritual in nature.
Join Rev. Dr. TLC as she sits down with her guest Rev. Adam Lawrence Dyer to gain insights on the embodiment of race.
Twitter: @AdamDyerSays
Instagram: @AdamLawrenceDyer
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Wordpress Blog: spirituwellness.com
Tune in for this important conversation at TalkRadio.nyc
Rev. Dr. TLC starts her show off with a guided meditation. She briefly shares the story of Sarah Baartman and how she was taken from her home by a British ship doctor, William Dunlop, because of her unusually large buttocks and elongated labia. Sarah was considered exotic. William promised Sarah that she would work as a servant in Cape Town, but instead she was treated as a sideshow attraction under the name Hottentot Venus. Sarah was expected to dance, sing, and entertain spectators. She was sexually abused and treated poorly.
Rev. Dr. TLC welcomes her guest Rev. Dyer. Rev. Dyer explains his meaning of embodiment. It’s thinking about what it means to be in a human body. It’s how we experience being in its entirety. Rev. Dyer says our politics today intersect with our embodiment on a regular basis. He shares his background and what he did before preaching at the Unitarian Universalist Ministry later in life.
Rev. Dr. TLC asks Rev. Dyer, what are some of the ways that we negatively embody who we are? Rev. Dyer mentions black descendants and indigenous communities as some of the people who survived an erasure of their people and their history. He poses a question to a group of young black boys and asks if they feel like renters or buyers of their education. He adds that black people are expected to be renters of their own experiences and achievements. Rev. Dr. TLC asks Rev. Dyer to break down the distinction between embracing your body and being empowered versus when our bodies are used for renters who are objectifying us. Rev. Dyer explained that he had many different thoughts regarding the topic. He said that his body was a commodity when he was a dancer and a model. He worked side by side with strippers and prostitutes so he has a broader perspective on the issue. He believes that there is a celebration of the body that we don’t embrace in western culture.
Rev. Dr. TLC asks Rev. Dyer if he has any suggestions for people around embodiment and racial equity. Rev. Dyer says that we are always taught in western culture to look for things that are universal. He wonders if anti-racist white allies can take more time to invest in understanding how different we all are and what those differences are. Rev. Dr. TLC asks what does Rev. Dyer hope for black and brown people as it relates to embodiment. He responds with the hope that black people stop operating within the framework of oppression. Rev. Dr. TLC and Rev. Dyer discuss age and embodiment. You can find more information on Rev. Dyer at his blog spiritualwellness.com. You can also find him on Twitter and Instagram.
00:00:42.590 --> 00:01:03.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello, and welcome to the dismantle racism show. I'm your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc. The goal of our show, is to educate Eradicate into dismantle racism, so that we can create a world where racial equity exists for everyone. As I began to show today, I want to just talk with you just for
00:01:03.890 --> 00:01:19.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a moment about advocacy in general. Yes, I want you to advocate for racial justice, but I believe that we also need to be committed to gun violence, stopping gun violence as well.
00:01:19.500 --> 00:01:20.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There have been
00:01:21.220 --> 00:01:27.119 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: 43 mass shooting since the beginning of this year, 2023.
00:01:27.390 --> 00:01:31.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We've not even had 43 days in 2,023.
00:01:32.010 --> 00:01:33.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And yet
00:01:33.720 --> 00:01:34.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: every day
00:01:35.080 --> 00:01:38.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: people are killed by guns.
00:01:38.460 --> 00:01:49.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So we need to do more in this country to talk about violence. We need to talk about other ways of handling ourselves when we are upset
00:01:49.500 --> 00:01:56.409 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and angry. We need to talk about, of course, mental health, but we also need to talk about
00:01:56.850 --> 00:01:58.809 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: gun control.
00:01:59.440 --> 00:02:02.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We know that this issue is a complex one.
00:02:02.510 --> 00:02:15.119 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we shouldn't just be in this place where we're saddened when there's a mass shooting, and then we go on with our lives, or perhaps not even pay attention to the news, because we hear it so often.
00:02:15.630 --> 00:02:20.199 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What I want us to do is to be committed to change.
00:02:20.290 --> 00:02:31.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want us to be committed to change, as it relates to racism, to gun violence, advocating for whatever group you feel very strongly about.
00:02:31.100 --> 00:02:32.989 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: be committed to it.
00:02:33.100 --> 00:02:37.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But as a country we must be committed to stopping violence.
00:02:38.570 --> 00:02:45.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We also know that there's an inter intersectionality between gun, violence, and race, and that is not the topic of our show today.
00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But my point to you and my plea to you
00:02:49.640 --> 00:02:52.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is that we all stand up
00:02:53.220 --> 00:02:54.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for what is right
00:02:55.290 --> 00:02:56.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for everyone.
00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:04.149 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know that each of us we we say that we have rights. It's my right to carry a gun. Of course it is.
00:03:04.660 --> 00:03:10.779 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but it is about more than just the carrying of a gun. Why does the 6 year old have a gun
00:03:11.030 --> 00:03:13.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for access to a gun.
00:03:15.020 --> 00:03:17.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Why does that happen in our country?
00:03:17.990 --> 00:03:22.549 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Why do we get to this place where we feel a need
00:03:22.940 --> 00:03:28.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to even just have a gun for protection. I I know people who have guns
00:03:28.390 --> 00:03:36.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who decided that they are going to just carry a gun, because, hey, I need to be prepared. Is that the world that we really want to live in?
00:03:36.930 --> 00:03:43.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I want to implore you today, even as we're talking about something very different on the show today
00:03:44.010 --> 00:03:46.849 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is to think about what you can do
00:03:47.950 --> 00:04:00.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to decrease violence in this country. Think about the ways in which you can talk about gun violence. Think about what you can do in terms of writing to your politicians.
00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:05.599 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or even just having the conversation with family members and friends.
00:04:06.250 --> 00:04:12.539 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We have to do something about violence. We have to do something about teaching people
00:04:13.510 --> 00:04:15.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to get help
00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: if they are suffering in any way
00:04:19.550 --> 00:04:21.409 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with mental health issues.
00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:31.119 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we have to also teach people in this country how to manage issues, because not everybody that engages in gun violence has a mental health issue.
00:04:31.700 --> 00:04:33.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to be clear about that.
00:04:33.670 --> 00:04:37.069 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Part of this is socialization that we have learned
00:04:37.150 --> 00:04:39.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how to handle our problems by
00:04:40.060 --> 00:04:42.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: taking a gun out and shooting folks.
00:04:43.260 --> 00:04:50.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's also a bit if we really want to have this discussion as well. When we talk about
00:04:50.630 --> 00:04:57.399 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: crime that is committed. These assaults that are committed by people within our own racial group.
00:04:57.630 --> 00:04:58.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What is that about?
00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.869 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is that internalized racism, self, hatred?
00:05:03.200 --> 00:05:15.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There is a lot for us to examine when we take a look at gun violence in this country, and all I want to draw your attention to today is to to say to yourselves, I am committed
00:05:15.960 --> 00:05:17.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to living in a world
00:05:18.070 --> 00:05:20.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that is not consumed with violence.
00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:23.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And now ask yourself the question.
00:05:23.490 --> 00:05:25.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What will I do about that
00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:36.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: today? On our show we're going to be talking about embodiment, and we're going to talk about exactly what that means.
00:05:36.290 --> 00:05:47.689 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But before we get into our show today I want to invite you to do what I always invite you to do before we began our conversation, and just take a moment to close your eyes if you would.
00:05:49.060 --> 00:05:51.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and just begin to take a deep breath in
00:05:53.010 --> 00:05:54.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and exhale.
00:05:56.610 --> 00:05:59.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: taking another deep breath in
00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and exhaling.
00:06:03.750 --> 00:06:08.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And as you take another deep breath in and hold it for a moment.
00:06:09.900 --> 00:06:11.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then to exhale.
00:06:12.580 --> 00:06:15.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I just want you to be conscious
00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that you are divine Wisdom
00:06:21.310 --> 00:06:24.469 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: within you is a sacred power
00:06:26.030 --> 00:06:27.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: within you
00:06:27.510 --> 00:06:33.069 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is the capacity to make choices that will not only manifest your greatness.
00:06:33.630 --> 00:06:41.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but the greatness of others. You are the manifestation of sacred source itself.
00:06:43.330 --> 00:06:45.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You are divinely created.
00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You are loved unconditionally.
00:06:48.890 --> 00:06:53.069 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I just want you to breathe that in, and just accept that.
00:06:53.850 --> 00:06:57.669 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: except who you are, except that you
00:06:57.880 --> 00:07:01.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: are looked upon with divine reverence.
00:07:02.860 --> 00:07:04.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You came into being
00:07:05.650 --> 00:07:07.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: out of divine reference.
00:07:08.190 --> 00:07:10.129 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Let that just sink in
00:07:10.520 --> 00:07:16.699 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and hold on to the beauty of who you are. Once you know who you are.
00:07:17.650 --> 00:07:22.479 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You're able to extend that to others in the world. So breathe in
00:07:23.180 --> 00:07:24.380 and out
00:07:26.140 --> 00:07:29.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and accept the fact that you are loved.
00:07:30.540 --> 00:07:32.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you are love itself.
00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:36.809 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Love is abundant.
00:07:38.530 --> 00:07:41.759 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's no scarcity when it comes to love.
00:07:43.490 --> 00:07:46.119 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so just take a moment to breathe in
00:07:47.180 --> 00:07:48.460 and out.
00:07:48.940 --> 00:07:52.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your divine wisdom
00:07:55.390 --> 00:07:57.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your specialness.
00:07:58.490 --> 00:07:59.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: uniqueness.
00:08:01.330 --> 00:08:02.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your creativity.
00:08:06.330 --> 00:08:07.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Leave it in
00:08:08.270 --> 00:08:09.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and out.
00:08:11.260 --> 00:08:16.019 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your power to change the status quo
00:08:19.290 --> 00:08:23.299 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breath in and out, realizing that the power of one
00:08:24.140 --> 00:08:26.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: contributes to the power of many.
00:08:30.280 --> 00:08:31.889 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in and out.
00:08:36.630 --> 00:08:38.799 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your courage.
00:08:39.620 --> 00:08:41.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your boldness.
00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.319 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and all who came before you.
00:08:44.580 --> 00:08:46.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who paved the way, for you
00:08:50.220 --> 00:08:51.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in
00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:53.250 and out.
00:08:55.550 --> 00:08:58.679 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: receiving the call and the purpose
00:08:59.130 --> 00:09:00.759 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that is on your life.
00:09:02.390 --> 00:09:05.799 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and accepting the gifts that have been planet within you.
00:09:07.430 --> 00:09:09.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and now make a commitment
00:09:09.460 --> 00:09:13.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to use those gifts again to manifest your greatness
00:09:14.380 --> 00:09:16.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and the greatness of others.
00:09:19.850 --> 00:09:22.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Take one more deep breath in.
00:09:23.700 --> 00:09:25.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sign it out.
00:09:26.020 --> 00:09:28.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we say, and so it is.
00:09:28.970 --> 00:09:30.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, she
00:09:30.570 --> 00:09:31.459 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and i'm in
00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:40.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: today on our show we again are going to be talking about embodiment. What is it.
00:09:41.900 --> 00:09:54.299 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But before we get into really digging deep on what it is, and inviting my guests to come in today, I want to just share with you the story of Sarah Barton.
00:09:54.470 --> 00:09:57.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who was a South African descent.
00:09:58.150 --> 00:10:01.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and Sarah Bartman was
00:10:01.780 --> 00:10:07.799 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a woman who was taken from her home by a British ship doctor
00:10:08.630 --> 00:10:14.189 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because she had body parts that were different from other people.
00:10:14.350 --> 00:10:19.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: She had what they call an unusually
00:10:20.030 --> 00:10:22.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: large products.
00:10:23.160 --> 00:10:27.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: not only that she had an elongated
00:10:28.540 --> 00:10:30.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: uterus.
00:10:30.230 --> 00:10:32.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so she was considered.
00:10:32.500 --> 00:10:33.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He's on it
00:10:34.090 --> 00:10:34.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a freak.
00:10:37.350 --> 00:10:41.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So she was taken by William Dunlop.
00:10:41.700 --> 00:10:46.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who promised her that she would work as a servant in Cape town.
00:10:46.770 --> 00:10:58.339 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but instead of employing her, she was taken to England, and she was exhibited as a side show. Attraction under the name Had and Todd Venus.
00:10:58.410 --> 00:10:59.939 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Have you ever heard of her?
00:11:00.980 --> 00:11:02.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If you Haven't.
00:11:02.570 --> 00:11:06.849 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this is another reason why we should know our history.
00:11:08.290 --> 00:11:09.839 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So here's the thing.
00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:17.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because, and and let me correct something I said in the long elongated uterus. I meant lady, yet because of that, though
00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:24.129 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: being displayed in London and in Paris, she was made to perform tricks
00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:37.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: dance, saying for the entertainment of spectators. She was treated poorly. She was sexually assaulted and died at the age of 26 from syphilis.
00:11:40.620 --> 00:11:42.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Can you imagine
00:11:43.420 --> 00:11:44.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: would she
00:11:44.760 --> 00:11:46.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: experience
00:11:46.750 --> 00:11:53.769 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: physically, mentally and spiritually, all because of how other people viewed her
00:11:55.670 --> 00:11:58.359 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: her remains when she died.
00:11:58.520 --> 00:12:05.199 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This is the thing that's important to know. When she died they cut up parts of her body, cut her body up.
00:12:05.830 --> 00:12:07.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and displayed it.
00:12:08.160 --> 00:12:11.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: displayed her remains all over
00:12:12.160 --> 00:12:13.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the world.
00:12:17.910 --> 00:12:20.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So in 2,002,
00:12:20.540 --> 00:12:22.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the South African Government
00:12:22.990 --> 00:12:28.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: successfully campaign with return of her remains to South Africa.
00:12:28.950 --> 00:12:31.649 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and she was laid to rest.
00:12:36.370 --> 00:12:38.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I would venture to say
00:12:39.740 --> 00:12:42.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that this feels a little redemptive.
00:12:44.990 --> 00:12:49.659 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In some ways it could feel like too little too late.
00:12:50.560 --> 00:12:54.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The idea is, we must learn to appreciate one another.
00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:59.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we must learn to appreciate who we are long before it gets to this point.
00:13:00.780 --> 00:13:03.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so I want to ask my listeners today.
00:13:04.860 --> 00:13:07.189 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What are you prepared to do
00:13:09.220 --> 00:13:10.849 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to appreciate
00:13:11.490 --> 00:13:12.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: others.
00:13:12.670 --> 00:13:14.989 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's appreciate yourself
00:13:15.820 --> 00:13:22.469 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for who you are, for who they are, for how we show up in this world, and not to degrade people.
00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and not to think less of ourselves
00:13:25.830 --> 00:13:28.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: based on how other people treat us.
00:13:29.990 --> 00:13:31.899 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because as a person of color.
00:13:32.510 --> 00:13:35.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: my people have been treated as a commodity
00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:37.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for years.
00:13:37.920 --> 00:13:44.149 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and make no mistake about it, just because we're in 2,023, we are still treated as a commodity.
00:13:46.140 --> 00:13:49.309 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We have to take a break, and when we come back
00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:58.119 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: my guest today is the Red Reverend Adam Lawrence Dyer, who is actually working on his Phd.
00:13:58.150 --> 00:14:05.259 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He is in the graduate Department of Religious Studies at the University of Virginia.
00:14:05.710 --> 00:14:21.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I want to tell you that he has served and parishes before he's taking a little bit of a break. Now we'll see what happens after he's done with his Phd. But he's served as lead minute store in the first carriage in Cambridge.
00:14:21.460 --> 00:14:33.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and he is a Unitarian Universalist. He served as a chaplain at Harvard University. He is also the author of love beyond God.
00:14:33.680 --> 00:14:36.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and he maintains a blog
00:14:36.510 --> 00:14:40.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: spiritual wellness. Check it out as spiritual wellness. Org has.
00:14:40.990 --> 00:14:55.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There is much that I could say about him, but i'm gonna let him share a little bit more about himself. When we return from the break we are going to welcome Reverend Adam Lawrence Dyer to the show. We'll be right back.
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00:17:10.099 --> 00:17:16.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with the dismantle racism show. I'm your host, Sir reverend Doctor, till see my guest to day
00:17:16.540 --> 00:17:19.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is Reverend Dyer.
00:17:19.900 --> 00:17:24.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to welcome you to the show today, Reverend Adam.
00:17:24.510 --> 00:17:25.979 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how are you today?
00:17:26.329 --> 00:17:36.020 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I'm doing pretty well. Thank you very much, Reverend Dr. Tlc. It's great to be here with you and with all your listeners
00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:37.989 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: questions for you. But
00:17:38.010 --> 00:17:42.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: before I even start out asking you to tell us a little bit more about you.
00:17:42.510 --> 00:17:48.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: why, don't you tell us what we mean by embodiment, so that people in and really just
00:17:49.100 --> 00:17:53.739 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: be on board as you're going through talking about your journey and your experience.
00:17:54.440 --> 00:18:01.489 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: Well, when i'm talking about embodiment, and when I'm approaching embodiment as something to study.
00:18:01.510 --> 00:18:05.990 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: i'm looking at what it means to be in a human body.
00:18:06.230 --> 00:18:14.340 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: It it sounds sort of simple. But then, when you think about how being in a human body is, how we experience being.
00:18:14.820 --> 00:18:20.449 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: it's not just how we experience the day, or or love, or whatever, but it's
00:18:20.580 --> 00:18:23.529 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: the entirety of how we experience being.
00:18:23.600 --> 00:18:36.219 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: So, I feel like there's a lot more depth there to plum in terms of research in terms of understanding faith in terms of understanding politics as well.
00:18:36.320 --> 00:18:54.109 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I think you find that our politics today intersect with our embodiment on a regular basis, and I I want to be part of that conversation.
00:18:55.150 --> 00:19:01.509 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So you're a Unitarian pastor, or you're not in a parish light now, but
00:19:01.670 --> 00:19:06.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you are a minister right? But you weren't always a minister
00:19:06.490 --> 00:19:13.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so a little bit about your background, because i'm i'm i'm sure it influences
00:19:14.040 --> 00:19:14.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this
00:19:14.980 --> 00:19:17.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: love and passion that you have
00:19:17.580 --> 00:19:29.549 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: around the conversation on environment
00:19:29.610 --> 00:19:34.919 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: from a very unusual place, the not to spend.
00:19:34.980 --> 00:19:41.589 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I could spend hours talking about the journey, but in a short way I started as a as a performer.
00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:52.610 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I was a dancer as a professional dancer, and had ambitions of of dancing on Broadway, and being a star and all that kind of stuff like that. So I pursued that for a good long time that
00:19:52.690 --> 00:20:08.259 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: put me on to cruise ships which comes back into the story a little bit later, but then it steered me toward fitness and wellness, and I became a a group exercise instructor and a personal trainer, and that was amazing at some really lovely successes with that work.
00:20:08.380 --> 00:20:14.249 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: And along the way I did end up getting to Broadway. So so I had this
00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:34.899 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: successful mix of careers between fitness between performing. In fact, I had a business called performance Dance and Fitness for for many years, and that's what I that's what I used as sort of my moniker, and how I got out there in the world. But it was as I was getting deeper into that work I had just.
00:20:34.910 --> 00:20:47.350 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I had just gotten off of cruise. So, as I was, as I was saying, I was a performer. It brought me on to cruise ships. I became a cruise director, was heavily into that was trying to be a fitness cruise director for a while.
00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:48.740 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and
00:20:49.230 --> 00:21:00.639 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: it was after I left cruising, and I was working again in wellness and fitness. Massage, therapist and personal trainer in Gainesville, Florida, where, I thought to myself, there's more here.
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:06.399 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: There's more here. As I was working directly with people's bodies. I was experiencing
00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:08.300 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: their whole story.
00:21:08.870 --> 00:21:10.820 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I was learning about
00:21:10.950 --> 00:21:28.040 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: how they saw, received, thought of, worked with themselves, and I said, the work I want to actually do is ministry. I think there's more for me to do with this with this body of knowledge.
00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:40.609 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and that immune physiology and touch and sensation all that there's more for me to do through the avenue of ministry, and that's what directed me to pursue my masters of divinity. And then ultimately ordination.
00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:43.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's really interesting that
00:21:44.250 --> 00:21:48.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that you thought of the body's work as a ministry
00:21:48.940 --> 00:21:49.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that's pretty good.
00:21:50.290 --> 00:21:57.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I mean, like really it. And and when you think about it, it just shows us how we're really connected, my body and spirit.
00:21:58.340 --> 00:22:00.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's there's you know.
00:22:01.150 --> 00:22:04.559 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as a as a minister. I often talk about
00:22:05.600 --> 00:22:08.419 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this. This is this is our temple
00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:11.279 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right? Our body is our temple.
00:22:11.370 --> 00:22:26.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and at the same time I acknowledged that it just happens to be the body that my spirit is housed in at this very moment, so I can't. I can look at this body, and I can take care of this body.
00:22:26.370 --> 00:22:28.659 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and and do all of those things.
00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:30.609 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But I also can't
00:22:30.800 --> 00:22:37.059 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: judge this body, or judge your body, and do those things, because the spirit part
00:22:37.230 --> 00:22:47.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: should, you know, supersede this, this, this physical body? Right it should. It should be one in which we're honoring who
00:22:48.150 --> 00:22:57.490 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: we are as spirit absolutely. And what's what's complicated, and it's interesting. I I love the fact that you actually began this show
00:22:57.560 --> 00:23:11.400 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: saying something about the the epidemic of of of gun violence that we're going through. Because for me, actually, that is actually part of the reason why i'm committed to this idea of embodiment. When you talk about honoring
00:23:11.780 --> 00:23:13.399 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: honoring the body
00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:14.880 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: it is.
00:23:15.330 --> 00:23:23.750 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: it's it's a deeper process than I think most people are are accustomed to engaging.
00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:41.069 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: It is not all about like yay. I'm fantastic. I am beautiful. It it also means looking at all the ik as well. One of the things that you learn as a minister, as you well know. Probably haven't been in hospital settings.
00:23:41.080 --> 00:23:49.050 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and also as a massage therapist, you you become very well acquainted with just how messy human bodies are.
00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:56.840 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: how scattered, how discombobulated, how how irrational.
00:23:57.120 --> 00:24:13.379 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and how the beauty of the human body comes out of all of that. I'm. A. As a creative person, and I think this is what has been for me the greatest blessing, and coming into both ministry, but also now into Academia, is that i'm. Coming from a creative background.
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:17.010 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I'm. Coming from the perspective of someone who
00:24:17.180 --> 00:24:18.770 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: has always said.
00:24:18.940 --> 00:24:20.860 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: Well, maybe we can do that.
00:24:21.040 --> 00:24:30.320 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: Yeah, or who has said, Well, I haven't thought of it yet. Maybe someone else has. Let's try and
00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:38.540 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: to approach the body with that kind of sense of potential and wonder and sense of possibility.
00:24:39.250 --> 00:24:44.350 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I think, could go a long way. And so when you talk about honoring the body.
00:24:44.410 --> 00:24:54.000 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I invite people to honor their bodies by thinking, okay, this thing that I've got is a hot and mess right now, and
00:24:54.630 --> 00:24:57.719 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: it's the only hot mess I've got. So let me work with it.
00:24:57.860 --> 00:25:15.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's potential here somehow, but that's the key thing. Let me work with what I have right now. Now. Sometimes there's certain things we're not going to be able to change, but we could still work within parameters of what we have right.
00:25:15.260 --> 00:25:18.159 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Nope. Some of us have a body type that
00:25:18.370 --> 00:25:20.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we'd like to be different.
00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:24.059 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and perhaps that's just not how we're made up genetically
00:25:24.370 --> 00:25:25.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right.
00:25:25.770 --> 00:25:30.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Sometimes we have to embrace that and say, what can I do within
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:36.299 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: my current genetics? What if you know, or or if something happens where I can no longer walk.
00:25:36.360 --> 00:25:38.149 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, what can I do with the body
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:39.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that I have
00:25:39.250 --> 00:25:40.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right? Oh.
00:25:41.110 --> 00:25:42.999 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: one of the one of the
00:25:43.420 --> 00:25:54.859 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: most powerful experiences I had as a massage therapist leading me into ministry. There were several, but one of the most was working with people who have suffered from chronic pain.
00:25:55.850 --> 00:25:56.990 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: so
00:25:57.330 --> 00:25:58.800 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: chronic pain
00:25:58.970 --> 00:26:03.220 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: leaves you with a sense of wanting to leave your body behind.
00:26:03.280 --> 00:26:07.409 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: because it is so constant because it is
00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:13.460 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: uncontrollable, because it is well outside of your realm of
00:26:13.590 --> 00:26:19.399 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: things that you can do something about, yet you have to deal with it at all times
00:26:19.710 --> 00:26:21.000 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: becomes this
00:26:21.230 --> 00:26:25.910 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: this process of reorienting yourself to what is pain.
00:26:26.050 --> 00:26:45.419 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and that doesn't mean taking away pain, and that and you could substitute the word pain for many other things. But I I was, I was really transformed by again working with people who who suffer from pain and and feeling helpless in my hands, feeling like I can't change their pain with my hands.
00:26:45.510 --> 00:26:46.260 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: but
00:26:46.600 --> 00:26:51.529 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I did have the ability to to to accompany them
00:26:51.560 --> 00:26:55.110 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: with that pain, so that that pain was not
00:26:55.410 --> 00:26:57.590 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: compounded by isolation
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:01.729 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: was not compounded by judgment.
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:05.380 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and that it found a new place to live in.
00:27:05.610 --> 00:27:07.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I wonder.
00:27:07.580 --> 00:27:24.999 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, as I, as i'm listening to you, talk this this phrase, spiritual bypassing comes up, you know, with especially you know, those of us who who are in the church can sometimes just say it's just my cross to bear, or i'm gonna just pray about it. And blah blah blah!
00:27:25.010 --> 00:27:28.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know you know the things
00:27:28.410 --> 00:27:32.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it sounds like to me, though what you've done is you've taken
00:27:32.510 --> 00:27:34.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the understanding of the body
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:45.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and merging it with ministry in a way that helps people to walk through their actual experience of what's happening in the body.
00:27:45.970 --> 00:27:52.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And in some ways, even though you didn't say this about imaging you're still taking it to that
00:27:52.890 --> 00:28:11.640 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: spiritual place Of how do we still, then stay connected with higher source in the midst of this, and understanding ourselves.
00:28:11.650 --> 00:28:15.689 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and I don't like to impose that on others.
00:28:15.770 --> 00:28:34.839 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: But yes, I I I am a firm believer, and this is applicable to work on racism. And this is how I approach anti racism work when i'm speaking with people who want to have conversations about race. It's the same thing. I ask them to be present with, not the aspiration.
00:28:34.850 --> 00:28:35.799 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: but the now
00:28:36.060 --> 00:28:38.290 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: where are you now?
00:28:38.430 --> 00:28:55.030 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: How do you? Particularly when i'm speaking with a group of a of that is predominantly white, I ask them, how do you understand whiteness? That's usually the first question, what do you know about whiteness and relationship to anything else?
00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:58.969 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: And it's that that that beginning with a reality
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:07.859 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: that helps you get. I think that I've seen people at least get to a place of. I won't even go to as far as to say reconciliation, but a place of
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:08.910 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: of
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.310 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: willingness to deal.
00:29:11.410 --> 00:29:24.489 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, I think it's so important, and and we're going to have to take a really quick break. It really is important to ask those questions, and then really to kind of talk about. What do you experience?
00:29:24.930 --> 00:29:26.899 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because you and body
00:29:27.300 --> 00:29:33.849 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: white skin what you experience because your body, black or brown, skin right? And so
00:29:34.110 --> 00:29:36.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: those are ways in which we
00:29:36.850 --> 00:29:40.419 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: get people to think about the here and now
00:29:40.460 --> 00:29:55.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how my life might be different from someone else, as you know, in Peggy Macintosh's article, unpacking the knapsack. You know white privilege on packing the knapsack, you know? She asked these questions
00:29:56.020 --> 00:29:59.769 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of people who are taking the survey to say.
00:29:59.830 --> 00:30:02.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, basically
00:30:03.360 --> 00:30:06.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what can I assume
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:17.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: based on my scan color, not based on You know the fact that i'm a woman not based on the fact that I'm. LGBT: No. Based on your skin color.
00:30:17.230 --> 00:30:18.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Can you walk in a store
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:31.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and see somebody and expect to see the person who's in authority to look like you. And when you get people to start answering that question just based on skin color, it's like, oh, my gosh, wow!
00:30:31.610 --> 00:30:47.109 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right! But we have to take quick break. We're going to be right back to continue our conversation about environment, and we're going to keep going deeper and deeper into what does it have to do with race and racial equity? We'll be right back with the dismantle Racism show.
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00:32:49.690 --> 00:32:59.169 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with the dispensal racism. Show. My guess today is, Reverend Dyer, and we've been talking about embodiment. So before the break
00:33:00.300 --> 00:33:10.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we were talking, we just getting into the discussion around embodiment and race. And so could you say a little bit more about
00:33:11.080 --> 00:33:13.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: embodiment, and really
00:33:15.130 --> 00:33:32.019 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how we, as people of color, particularly people of African descent, what are some positive ways that we've embodied who we are, and then what are some of the ways in which we've negatively embodied? We are.
00:33:32.870 --> 00:33:42.919 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: Wow! I I I will probably answer this in a very, very round about way. There's so much there, certainly to unpack. I I think
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.329 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: it all the the ways in which
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.640 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: we have embodied
00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.850 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: blackness in a positive way is the fact that we're still here.
00:33:54.510 --> 00:33:59.289 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I mean that that that's the the to me that is the most
00:33:59.700 --> 00:34:01.330 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: straightforward
00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:03.370 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: thing right there.
00:34:03.490 --> 00:34:16.749 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I was recently in conversation with a colleague and wrote something. I may publish it. We'll see it's a bit, you know, as you do, and it it basically says, Look.
00:34:17.080 --> 00:34:19.219 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: black folks have survived
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:26.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: an apocalypse. We are what you get
00:34:26.330 --> 00:34:29.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when the world comes to an end.
00:34:29.409 --> 00:34:42.000 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: We're the survivors. You could say the same about native and and indigenous people, and anyone else who has faced the erasure of their people and their past and their histories.
00:34:42.110 --> 00:34:47.840 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: So I i'm always conscious of that, and grateful
00:34:47.889 --> 00:34:56.269 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: to have that DNA swirling around in me. It it may it brings to mind. I had a conversation recently with a group of young black men
00:34:56.460 --> 00:35:06.150 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: where I posed the question of whether or not this is in relationship to their their higher learning institution. Whether or not they felt like renters
00:35:06.290 --> 00:35:07.540 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: or owners
00:35:07.600 --> 00:35:16.919 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: of their education. And and it it comes from that same place because so often, and this gets a little bit into the negative thing, and it it so often.
00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:20.630 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: People of African descent in the United States in particular.
00:35:20.790 --> 00:35:23.779 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: are expected to be renters.
00:35:24.110 --> 00:35:41.579 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and we tell ourselves that we can only be renters of our experiences, of our, of our physical locals, of our education, our achievements, etc. It's temporary. It's temporary. It's temporary, and this is also some place where I think faith
00:35:41.670 --> 00:35:49.700 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: has done some harm. Sometimes it is, it is, let us say, oh, well, yes, it that's temporary. That's fine, because
00:35:49.710 --> 00:36:02.389 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: there is more in the afterlife. Yes, yes, you know. Listen by. I I have a a love for for talking about the ones of religion, and that is one where we're. We're often taught
00:36:02.420 --> 00:36:17.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: really, that if a person is rich, there's something wrong with that. Why can't we have it all? Why can't we have that and still be spiritually grounded and morally connected. You know. I'm wondering here. Here's what i'm curious about as we talk about this
00:36:17.610 --> 00:36:19.129 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this embodiment.
00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:23.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I remember teaching this in my class before when I taught about Sarah Barton.
00:36:23.890 --> 00:36:25.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because I
00:36:25.660 --> 00:36:30.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: show the video and I can. I wish I could pull it up and tell people where to find it.
00:36:30.810 --> 00:36:34.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But it was comparing what happened to her body
00:36:35.230 --> 00:36:36.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with
00:36:36.860 --> 00:36:49.009 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: dancers for entertainers where they're in the phones and shaking their butt, and allowing a credit card to be running down their bottom.
00:36:49.600 --> 00:36:51.729 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Talk to me if you would.
00:36:52.400 --> 00:37:00.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about the the distinction between embracing our bodies and saying, this is who we are
00:37:01.140 --> 00:37:20.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: versus when it is used for exactly what you just said, renters of our bodies, and not owning and care as you could see. I'm a little passionate about it. You may have a different perspective, because there are those who say Well, she has a right to do whatever she wants to with her body, and I get that. It is our right.
00:37:20.870 --> 00:37:31.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But I often wonder how many times have has it been ingrained in us, particularly women. This is what we do with our bodies. And so that's
00:37:31.220 --> 00:37:46.370 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I. I have so many different thoughts about that, because, you know, I sit here in my in my with my you know. What are these oakly glasses and tie and
00:37:46.520 --> 00:38:00.710 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: working on a. Ph. D. And I was a body model. I modeled for model for art classes. I did some go-go dancing. I was a dancer. My body was
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:13.510 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: a commodity for the first half of my life I worked side by side with people who were strippers with people who were prostitutes. With that you know no judgment on that.
00:38:13.970 --> 00:38:15.270 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: And so
00:38:16.130 --> 00:38:19.490 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I bring, I guess, a different sensibility of it.
00:38:19.550 --> 00:38:25.480 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I think there is a real celebration of the body that we don't allow
00:38:25.640 --> 00:38:35.180 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: to happen here in the United States and in Western culture in general, because so much of embodiment, both black and white, and everyone else
00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:54.600 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: is caught up in in. In in modification. You mentioned that before modification of the body. How do I make money off of my body? Well, as someone who has literally made money off of this body? I know that it's not just black and white.
00:38:54.830 --> 00:39:07.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: black and white. There's a place you set the the important thing of celebrating your life right. So I went to this wonderful performance last night by step. Africa. People have never gone. Step Africa, go and see them.
00:39:07.520 --> 00:39:16.259 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I could appreciate the ways in which, and they, you know those youngsters were showing off their bodies.
00:39:17.830 --> 00:39:29.599 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but not in a way that was dehumanizing. It was celebrating our African culture because I get when these people are out there working
00:39:29.640 --> 00:39:30.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: they they
00:39:30.370 --> 00:39:49.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're getting stuff from the motherland. Okay, the ways in which our bodies move, and they can do all of those things when you see people in the motherland dancing like that, this is not even well doesn't feel as sexualized. But what do I know? Maybe it could be sexualized. I don't know. My point is this
00:39:50.610 --> 00:39:56.969 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for me as a woman, and I know that there are many out there who would disagree with me on this
00:39:57.210 --> 00:40:01.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is that when we're in this place of
00:40:01.130 --> 00:40:10.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this is what I have to do to be loved, that I have to do to feel important. This is what I have to do to get to the top
00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:11.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of my pain.
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:19.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I don't think so. I think we have to examine. What does it feel like for you internally.
00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:21.279 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What does it feel like
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:35.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to you? Psychologically, spiritually, and only you can answer that question. You know I I get engage in conversations all the time with fellow psychologists about people who who are pornographic stars.
00:40:35.690 --> 00:40:36.439 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right
00:40:36.460 --> 00:40:45.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's a there's a whole conference that we have around people and their use of their body, and I get that
00:40:45.580 --> 00:40:48.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I get if people are completely owning it.
00:40:49.160 --> 00:40:55.039 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But what I think happens all too often is, most people aren't even going deep enough
00:40:55.310 --> 00:40:57.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to really embrace
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:06.439 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the bodies that they have, and to make a conscious decision as a conscious decision about why they're using their body in that way.
00:41:06.660 --> 00:41:10.139 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: Yeah, I the the the culture doesn't.
00:41:10.230 --> 00:41:16.459 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: Ask that of us. The culture also doesn't make many spaces for that. The culture tends
00:41:16.510 --> 00:41:24.999 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: to judge the body first, regardless of how you're going to use it. It judges the body as big, small, black, white, whatever.
00:41:25.120 --> 00:41:31.960 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: And then we're asked to make decisions about those bodies. I think some of this goes back to our our
00:41:32.140 --> 00:41:36.010 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: rather tenuous understanding of sexuality, as well
00:41:36.220 --> 00:41:39.179 as long as we understand.
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:45.060 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: as long as we only understand sexuality in terms of
00:41:45.410 --> 00:41:48.749 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: of power, dynamics, and give and and take
00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:50.700 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: as opposed to meeting
00:41:51.670 --> 00:41:55.060 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: like I i'm a a big proponent of
00:41:55.210 --> 00:41:59.890 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: the the idea that sex isn't one or the other
00:41:59.910 --> 00:42:02.229 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: sex isn't one on the other.
00:42:02.290 --> 00:42:06.029 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: Sex is actually happening in that liminal space between the 2.
00:42:06.070 --> 00:42:13.670 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: That's not just the sex act when I talk about using the body for for erotic display.
00:42:13.720 --> 00:42:16.270 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: There's that again. Intention
00:42:16.350 --> 00:42:30.450 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: like, what is the intention? Do I? Am I intending for you to engage to be at that place where you can engage my body and my embodiment. Is that intentional and deliberate?
00:42:30.550 --> 00:42:46.659 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: Or are you taking it, and it's the taking that has damaged so many people, and the expectation that in order for it to be successful, one has to be put themselves in a position where it's taken. That is what I work against right, and I think that that's what i'm
00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:51.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: like internally responding to. When I see
00:42:52.270 --> 00:43:00.149 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when I see the ways in which, particularly our young entertainers for for years.
00:43:00.510 --> 00:43:05.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: where these big companies are making money off of the ways in which
00:43:05.720 --> 00:43:18.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: they are sexualized right, the ways in which they are taught. Even in certain songs our own people degrade us one another.
00:43:18.220 --> 00:43:33.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, in the ways in which we talk about one another the way the language that we use to call each other. You know the B words and this and that, and I understand for some people it's the term of endearment, if that's your thing.
00:43:33.900 --> 00:43:40.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's not what i'm talking about talking about when we're using it to be to to degrade people.
00:43:40.300 --> 00:43:51.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so it is important, though, when we talk about this idea of embodiment is to really ask ourselves, is this particular act
00:43:51.060 --> 00:43:54.829 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: honoring my body for the other person's body?
00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:09.179 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Or is there some ulterior motive? We're going to continue the conversation when we come right back? We are discussing embodiment with my guess. The Reverend Adam Dyer, and we'll be right back after these messages.
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00:46:13.970 --> 00:46:23.769 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with my guest today, Reverend Dyer and I want to ask you there's so many things I want to ask you, and so little time left to ask you.
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:28.259 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Are there ways in which.
00:46:28.640 --> 00:46:30.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when we talk about race
00:46:31.230 --> 00:46:34.729 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in wanting to dismantle racism.
00:46:35.540 --> 00:46:38.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Are there ways that you can.
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.559 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or or is there a suggestion that you would have
00:46:43.450 --> 00:46:50.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for white folks around embodiment and racial equity, and and for
00:46:50.340 --> 00:46:51.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: people of color
00:46:51.630 --> 00:46:58.829 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: an environment. So it's a pretty general question to let you take it wherever you'd like to take it.
00:46:59.550 --> 00:47:02.850 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I think there are. There are a few
00:47:03.340 --> 00:47:05.490 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: key things, I hope.
00:47:06.140 --> 00:47:07.529 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: are useful
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:13.279 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: for people to understand as they think about embodiment and and race.
00:47:13.570 --> 00:47:18.689 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and one of them is kind of complex, so maybe i'll just hang out there for a bit is
00:47:19.470 --> 00:47:22.230 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: we are always being
00:47:22.890 --> 00:47:28.469 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: taught in the United States and in Western culture to look for things that are universal.
00:47:28.670 --> 00:47:31.630 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: You know there is that whole trend toward
00:47:32.330 --> 00:47:34.280 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: what do you call it? A
00:47:34.300 --> 00:47:47.799 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: color blindness? And you know we're all the same, and etc., etc., and i'm a firm believer that no actually we're all really really different. And I wonder if
00:47:48.460 --> 00:47:52.399 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: our anti-racist white allies
00:47:52.720 --> 00:47:54.680 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: can take more time
00:47:54.850 --> 00:47:56.990 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: to really invest
00:47:57.210 --> 00:47:58.870 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: in understanding
00:47:59.410 --> 00:48:02.559 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: how very different we all are.
00:48:02.690 --> 00:48:05.099 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and what those differences are.
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:08.799 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I think. I think our capacity to understand
00:48:09.160 --> 00:48:12.740 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: the limitless variations of being human
00:48:13.100 --> 00:48:16.190 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: is sorely untapped
00:48:16.300 --> 00:48:20.159 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: when you, when you, I I am so grateful to have traveled around the globe
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:21.109 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:34.479 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: physically been present with many, many different people, but one shouldn't have to get on a cruise ship and sail across the Pacific to recognize that. Wow! We are different, and that's not a bad thing. It's just a thing.
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.330 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and it's a part of being a human thing.
00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:39.870 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: So what can
00:48:40.170 --> 00:48:52.609 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: we do in the anti racism spaces to more clearly acknowledge, except here understand and receive the differences that other people bring.
00:48:53.140 --> 00:49:02.460 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and that takes patience. It takes generosity. It takes a really rich sense of not feeling threatened
00:49:02.740 --> 00:49:06.710 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: by someone Else's difference, and we're not there yet.
00:49:06.830 --> 00:49:10.499 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: We have a lot of work to do. I believe it is possible.
00:49:10.750 --> 00:49:21.189 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and it I believe it's possible through ministry. But I know it's possible through other avenues as well, including academia. Some lovely scene, lovely changes. I'd love to see in academia.
00:49:21.620 --> 00:49:27.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So what about for our kindred, our black and brown kindred?
00:49:28.520 --> 00:49:32.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What do you hope for us, as it relates to embodiment?
00:49:33.550 --> 00:49:42.119 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: My greatest hope is that we stop operating within the framework of oppression.
00:49:42.410 --> 00:49:43.209 Hmm.
00:49:43.420 --> 00:49:45.169 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: That there is
00:49:45.930 --> 00:50:03.280 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: a reckoning that we have with ourselves, because I also see this manifesting in conflicts between, You know oppression, Olympics between black and brown folks. You know who we all, all, all scrambling after the same little scraps. I'm like. What is that?
00:50:03.310 --> 00:50:06.720 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: What? What do we need to do To really
00:50:07.990 --> 00:50:12.029 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: reconceive ourselves as something
00:50:12.070 --> 00:50:13.609 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: as some ones
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.069 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: as people as a people
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:17.279 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: who
00:50:18.560 --> 00:50:21.860 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: don't need oppression to be defined.
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:24.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's right.
00:50:25.590 --> 00:50:30.409 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know it's interesting, because, as you're talking about this.
00:50:31.470 --> 00:50:34.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: one of the things that's coming up for me, too. Is
00:50:35.090 --> 00:50:44.109 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that often the reason why we do so much damage to one another internally, whether it be black versus brown or black, like
00:50:44.790 --> 00:50:55.639 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we begin to dehumanize one another in the same ways in which other folks have dehumanized us, and we're all like you said, fighting for the same.
00:50:55.770 --> 00:50:59.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's really what we're doing.
00:50:59.700 --> 00:51:18.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and so until we can be in this place of completely embodying who we are as individuals, we will never be able to embrace each other collectively, and see each other beyond these human bodies into a spiritual body.
00:51:19.570 --> 00:51:22.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know. I want to ask you about this, and it's
00:51:23.580 --> 00:51:25.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: tangentially related to
00:51:26.390 --> 00:51:37.269 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: race, although you might have a bit more to say about it than than I know. I think about age, age, and embodiment, you know I I read something
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:46.839 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the other day, and it really caught my attention. It was about this older woman going into a place, and so I was just observing.
00:51:47.130 --> 00:51:51.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and the person who asked to help her said.
00:51:51.350 --> 00:51:53.029 How can I help you today, young lady?
00:51:53.910 --> 00:51:55.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And we all do it?
00:51:55.370 --> 00:52:10.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We all kind of call people when they are older, hey, young lady, it's not. And so the person's question was, Why don't we embrace age, country? Why do we have to make it about them staying?
00:52:11.040 --> 00:52:11.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah.
00:52:12.260 --> 00:52:16.279 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And it made me think about some. Very now I don't really
00:52:16.470 --> 00:52:21.179 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: do that work. Go, hey, young lady, and even if i'm tempted to because
00:52:21.380 --> 00:52:23.689 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what we're doing is valuing
00:52:24.060 --> 00:52:40.909 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: age young age over older age. So tell me what you think about it. As it relates to embodiment. We we only have a few more minutes to go, and I'd love to hear good thoughts.
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:44.479 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I I I recognize absolutely. We
00:52:44.530 --> 00:52:46.430 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: We prioritize youth.
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:51.820 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: We praise you, we we pay you not enough, but we pay you.
00:52:51.900 --> 00:52:53.570 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: We pay for youth.
00:52:54.860 --> 00:53:05.870 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that we don't actually have systems in our culture, or we've been forced as black people to let go of systems of of
00:53:05.930 --> 00:53:10.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: pride in elders we talk about.
00:53:11.380 --> 00:53:19.709 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: you know, my grandmother's sweet potato pie. We talk about the all all these things associated with the elders. But what do we actually do with them?
00:53:19.810 --> 00:53:32.919 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: With the elders themselves like? How do we actually hold the elders in our lives from day to day. And how, what, what are, what does ancestorship mean?
00:53:33.180 --> 00:53:37.680 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: How do we understand ourselves as future ancestors?
00:53:37.720 --> 00:53:41.909 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: These are the questions we we gotta. We've got to tease out.
00:53:41.980 --> 00:53:50.889 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, we have to tease about. And as you're talking, i'm also thinking about embracing our body types right because we are.
00:53:51.270 --> 00:54:03.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are different, right, and we have about 3 min left. But I want to say this really quickly. I remember Viola Davis talking about her role from Rainy, and how she had to have that body suit on.
00:54:03.630 --> 00:54:17.369 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I saw in an interview, and she said, Well, actually, when I had that on. I felt more powerful because I can remember by a big M. Of my aunties and all that we. There was a time when we embraced
00:54:17.740 --> 00:54:20.779 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: our body types. Now, does that mean that
00:54:21.170 --> 00:54:25.679 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we don't need to do some things differently to take care of our bodies? Yes, of course we do.
00:54:25.900 --> 00:54:35.509 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But there's some things we need to just embrace because it is right. Well, listen, reverend Tire. It has been so great to have you
00:54:35.560 --> 00:54:38.859 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Please tell me, how can folks get in touch with you.
00:54:39.120 --> 00:54:57.609 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: The best way is through my blog spiritual wellness.com or spiritual in this.org. Those are the best places. I'm. Also available on twitter@adamdyersays.com and Adam Lawrence Dyer, on Instagram. So those are the places to find me.
00:54:57.680 --> 00:55:03.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, thank you so much, and we'll have that information as well up on our site. Now.
00:55:04.060 --> 00:55:09.639 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Tip of blessing or words of inspiration you could offer to us as we in the show.
00:55:10.620 --> 00:55:18.700 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I was thinking I would do a prayer, a formal prayer, and i'm like well, I feel a little rusty there. But let me just offer this.
00:55:18.740 --> 00:55:23.049 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: We are in bodies, everyone engaging this.
00:55:23.510 --> 00:55:26.259 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: This program today is in a body.
00:55:26.350 --> 00:55:28.610 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and those bodies are made of cells.
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:31.440 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and those cells are all dying.
00:55:32.340 --> 00:55:41.049 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: They are dying and dying and dying, and at some, at some point we will lose the race against the dying cells, and we will no longer be here.
00:55:42.220 --> 00:55:43.310 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and
00:55:43.910 --> 00:55:45.870 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: our cells are made of matter
00:55:46.900 --> 00:55:48.319 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: that will remain
00:55:48.340 --> 00:55:49.770 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: after we're gone.
00:55:50.490 --> 00:55:54.540 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: So my question to you all really is.
00:55:55.790 --> 00:55:57.879 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: does our essence
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:02.389 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: that creates our being, our smiles, our hearts, our loves.
00:56:02.580 --> 00:56:04.979 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: Is it in the cells or in the matter?
00:56:05.060 --> 00:56:06.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm.
00:56:06.940 --> 00:56:08.879 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: I think it's in the matter.
00:56:09.430 --> 00:56:21.179 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and I think that's why it matters not to be too cliche, but so so, so embrace. Embrace your matter, and the time that you have here
00:56:21.240 --> 00:56:24.639 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: and now, and do everything you can with it to
00:56:24.710 --> 00:56:28.410 Rev Adam Lawrence Dyer: make it glorious and wonderful and full of love.
00:56:29.110 --> 00:56:36.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, Reverend Adam Lawrence Dyer, thank you so much for being a guest on my show today. It's been a delight to have you.
00:56:36.620 --> 00:56:44.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I want to thank you, my listeners, and for coming each and every week to listen to the show, or whatever it is that
00:56:44.890 --> 00:57:02.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that you listen, and for downloading the episodes, please make sure that you subscribe to the show as well, and I want to invite you to go to sacred intelligence.com. If you want to learn more about me, and how you can work with me privately, or how I can work
00:57:02.720 --> 00:57:20.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with your group. Don't. Forget also to go to your favorite music streaming platform and download my meditations because the meditations are there to guide you to help you to fortify you for this work on dismantling racism.
00:57:20.200 --> 00:57:28.249 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam Leibowitz, where he helps you to walk through life with the greatest of ease and joy.
00:57:28.300 --> 00:57:33.589 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Be well, be safe, being cursed until next time, Bye, for now
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