Through this discussion of Wetiko, we will delve into what this mind virus is, how to recognize it, and what we need to do to break free of its grip in our lives.
This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes lecturer and author, Paul Levy.
Paul Levy is a pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence and a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for more than 35 years, and was the coordinator of the Portland chapter of the PadmaSambhava Buddhist Center for over twenty years.
An artist, after the trauma of his shamanic break-down/break-through, he became a certified art teacher. Due to his great interest in the work of Carl Jung, he became the manager of the Carl Jung Foundation Book Service in New York, as well as the advertising manager for the Jungian journal, Quadrant.
In 1993, after many years of struggling to contain and integrate his non-ordinary experiences, Paul started to openly share his insights about the dreamlike nature of reality. He began giving talks and facilitating groups based on how life is a shared waking dream that we are all co-creating and co-dreaming together. He is the founder of the Awakening in the Dream Community in Portland, Oregon.
He is the author of The Madness of George Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis, Dispelling Wetiko: Breaking the Curse of Evil, Awakened by Darkness: When Evil Becomes Your Father, and The Quantum Revelation: A Radical Synthesis of Science and Spirituality. His newest book is Wetiko: Healing the Mind-Virus That Plagues Our World.
Paul has intimately studied with some of the greatest spiritual masters of Tibet and Burma.
Sam and Paul will be discussing all about how to break the hold of the mind-virus known as Wetiko.
Tune in for this enlightening conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.
In this week’s episode, we start with the fascinating journey of Paul Levy. Levy speaks about devastating events in his life, which made Levy look into himself. After a couple of years, Paul discovers a life-changing miracle, an intense extraordinary awakening that shifted his reality. Levy recalls it as a bolt of lightning in his head. This resulted in Levy learning things are not always as they appear.
In this segment, we learned what exactly is Wetiko and why Levy resonated with it. Levy speaks on the evil energy around us and how you may be satisfying it by fear. The problem with Wetiko is how you look at yourself, but it does come with a simple “vaccine.”
This segment primarily focuses on the step-by-step process that we as a people need to do individually. First, we learn how to recognize this gripping virus and how massive this virus can scale. Learning to overcome this challenge can see you come from a passive victim to a proactive agent.
In the last segment of this memorable conversation, we learn if we can get rid of Wetiko, and it is good to get rid of it forever. Furthermore, the covid-19 virus indeed proves the power of Wetiko. Lastly, the effects Wetiko has had in the Russia Ukraine war. This episode is a must-see radio!
00:00:35.730 --> 00:00:42.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, the conch Mike good afternoon my conscious co creators, welcome to another.
00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:57.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: edition of the conscious consultant our awakening humanity sorry i'm a little tongue tied today because I am just super thrilled at the guests, we have today, and I am really looking forward to today's show.
00:00:59.430 --> 00:01:05.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Of course, and I hope you caught last week's show, I had a wonderful guests come in pad talking about.
00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:09.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Arc types, it was a wonderful episode all about archetypes and.
00:01:11.430 --> 00:01:20.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Really guide with today's guests and a couple of guests in the future next couple of weeks coming on board, I really have a lot of great.
00:01:21.690 --> 00:01:34.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Authors coming on to the show Okay, but first with course we've got our little section from my book, everyday awakening of course available at everyday awakening book calm.
00:01:37.500 --> 00:01:46.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And this section is called I think rather apropos bringing joy to our challenges is how we glide through them.
00:01:46.980 --> 00:02:02.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: challenges are not something we need to avoid, although they are not comfortable they do serve a purpose they push us beyond what we thought our limits are they help us to get out of our comfort zone and bring real growth.
00:02:03.210 --> 00:02:08.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just like an animal that must shed its skin to grow, the process is uncomfortable.
00:02:08.550 --> 00:02:19.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just like a seed that must exert immense pressure to break through its case it's not easy, yet in order for our muscles to grow strong they need resistance to push against.
00:02:20.640 --> 00:02:30.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In order for us to build our emotional physical and spiritual muscles something we're going to be talking about today, we must push against resistance.
00:02:30.750 --> 00:02:42.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Once we have developed our muscles, then we can dance with it after we have gone through our transformation, then we can use our new wings to fly.
00:02:42.990 --> 00:03:01.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we were in the middle of our challenges we don't feel very nice yes we're experiencing the very things we want to avoid we don't feel good if we judge our experiences and make them wrong or bad, we are only making it more difficult for ourselves.
00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:09.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But if we can face the challenge without judgment and criticism we may find it a little easier to get through.
00:03:10.980 --> 00:03:21.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we release our expectations and let go of our opinions about the challenges we face, then we can allow them to unfold more naturally and more quickly.
00:03:22.380 --> 00:03:34.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, in the end is that not what we truly want to get through our challenges as quickly as possible, it is up to us to stop resisting our difficulties.
00:03:35.070 --> 00:03:55.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The choice and the power to overcome them is within us, we can choose to fight against them and try to push them away or we can embrace them, in fact, we could go even further and revel in them, we could bring our joy to the entire process and then see what happens.
00:03:57.030 --> 00:04:08.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you have a challenge you are experiencing that you can bring more joy to is there a challenge you have been resisting that you can embrace and accept to make it easier to face.
00:04:11.130 --> 00:04:12.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So this little section of my book.
00:04:14.940 --> 00:04:27.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I wrote a while ago and I wrote, because from someone who really inspired me, and you know i've always been sort of the kind of person who.
00:04:28.050 --> 00:04:48.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: kind of voids uncomfortable situation so avoid avoid you know challenges that that just don't make me feel good but I met this gentleman once and he was like so like oh yeah like here's something juicy let's dig into it like oh here's a problem yeah let's really.
00:04:49.800 --> 00:05:04.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Facing in and go into it and he had such a joyful attitude towards meeting his challenges and it just so inspired me and I thought, if we could all just bring a little more of that.
00:05:06.060 --> 00:05:19.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: curiosity and playfulness and excitement into our challenges, how much easier would they be to work through to live through to move forward through.
00:05:20.580 --> 00:05:30.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I really um it really inspired me and let's kind of was sort of the genesis of this little little section that I wrote in the book.
00:05:32.220 --> 00:05:39.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because it just my own self reflection I don't like hard things in general.
00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:43.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet I find that.
00:05:45.180 --> 00:06:04.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When I am conscious enough when I am aware, enough that when i'm faced with something that is a real challenge for me that that is difficult for me when they bring curiosity to when they bring excitement to when I find a way to just be playful in it and have fun with it.
00:06:06.390 --> 00:06:16.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That suddenly it makes getting through it so much easier so much more fun so much more filled with life.
00:06:17.610 --> 00:06:21.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I just felt like that was something that we can all.
00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:35.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Learn from and that's something that everyone, I know, can can really benefit from so I offer this to you this week and and just you know, think about your your homework this week is.
00:06:36.390 --> 00:06:42.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, do you have a challenge you're facing that you can bring a little more fun to a little more curiosity to a little more.
00:06:44.130 --> 00:06:50.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: alive enos to and just see the difference that that makes in your own life.
00:06:54.090 --> 00:06:56.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so now, without further ado.
00:06:58.170 --> 00:07:18.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is my pleasure to welcome to the show Paul levy Paul is a pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence and a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner, for more than 35 years he was the coordinator of the portland chapter of the padma sad subodh by got that ready.
00:07:21.270 --> 00:07:24.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Buddhist Center for over 20 years as an artist.
00:07:25.950 --> 00:07:27.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: After season.
00:07:29.310 --> 00:07:37.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As an artist an artist after the trauma of his of his demonic breakdown slash breakthrough he became a certified art teacher.
00:07:38.010 --> 00:07:49.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Due to his great interest in the works of call young he became the manager of the call young foundation book service in New York, as well as an advertising manager for the Union journal quadrant.
00:07:50.310 --> 00:07:55.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Last week, you know we talked a bit about young's Arc types so so again kind of following that thing.
00:07:55.800 --> 00:08:06.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In 93 after many years of struggling to contain an integrate his non ordinary experiences Paul started to openly share his insights about the dream like nature of reality.
00:08:06.840 --> 00:08:16.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He began giving talks and facilitating groups based on how life is shared through waking dream through a waking dream that we were all co creating.
00:08:16.590 --> 00:08:23.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And co dreaming together he's founder of the awakening in the dream community in portland Oregon.
00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:29.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: he's the author of several books, including the madness of George Bush, a reflection of our collective psychosis.
00:08:30.090 --> 00:08:43.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: dispelling with ECO breaking the curse of evil awakened by darkness when evil becomes your father and the quantum revelation a radical synthesis of science and spirituality and we're here today to talk about his new book.
00:08:44.460 --> 00:08:51.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: With Chico healing the mind virus that plagues our world, welcome to the conscious consultant our fall.
00:08:52.110 --> 00:08:54.210 Paul Levy: yeah i'm so happy to be here with you, thank you.
00:08:56.010 --> 00:09:04.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's a pleasure to have you i've been really looking forward to this because i've heard about the concept of boutique oh years ago.
00:09:06.270 --> 00:09:16.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Through a friend of mine, and I just it it so resonated with me, I really wanted to discuss this on my show, so you are the perfect person.
00:09:16.890 --> 00:09:21.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To talk to this about since you're the one who really brought it into our consciousness, but I always like to start off with.
00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:37.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: kind of how did you get from there to here, so what was that that breakdown breakthrough experience that really opened you up to this idea that things are not always as they appear on the surface.
00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:45.000 Paul Levy: ya know and and I think that's important to create context for my work because my whole body of work has come out of that experience.
00:09:45.870 --> 00:09:59.310 Paul Levy: And so, basically, I you know in my childhood, I had seemingly a happy healthy childhood, but unbeknownst to me, my father was was a really bad guy he he was sick in a certain way.
00:09:59.820 --> 00:10:07.740 Paul Levy: And, like so many people he wasn't dealing with his unhealed abuse and just at a certain point when I began to individuation.
00:10:08.250 --> 00:10:18.360 Paul Levy: And i'm talking pretty much when I was in college, when I was separating individuation that's when he really enacted his unhealed abuse, and I was the recipient.
00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:27.120 Paul Levy: And I don't need to go into the story, but it created enormous suffering for me, so much so that I went from a very accomplished kid.
00:10:27.630 --> 00:10:37.770 Paul Levy: very happy healthy person to I could I couldn't even you know my whole life just came to a halt, and so what I did with it, I went in words.
00:10:38.370 --> 00:10:51.180 Paul Levy: I began to really inquire into the nature of my mind and just spend hours and hours a day for a couple of years just assuming the position of the witness because that was the only thing that made me feel better.
00:10:52.140 --> 00:11:00.180 Paul Levy: And, and then in 1981 in the spring, I had a life transforming spiritual awakening which was catalyzed by getting hit by a bolt of lightning.
00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:17.490 Paul Levy: And the lightning ignited inside of my grand just for an instant while I was sitting in meditation and within 24 hours, I went into such an extreme state and, basically, I was realizing that this is a collective dream that we're all dreaming up together, and you know, I was 24.
00:11:18.510 --> 00:11:35.130 Paul Levy: I was so excited and enthusiastic that had freaked people out, it was like having this radical personality change um you know from one moment to the next and and I, so I got immediately got brought to a psychiatric hospital anyways it seems like you have a question.
00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:39.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah, I just wanted was it a literal a bolt of lightning or figurative.
00:11:39.420 --> 00:11:41.430 Paul Levy: That was a literal bolt of lightning it was like.
00:11:41.790 --> 00:11:45.960 Paul Levy: Just a literal like a lightning bolt ignited inside of my brain.
00:11:46.560 --> 00:11:51.420 Paul Levy: And I didn't know that you know, in a lot of traditions, they talk about awakenings.
00:11:51.870 --> 00:11:55.080 Paul Levy: Being catalyzed by getting hit by bolts of lightning and.
00:11:55.410 --> 00:11:58.470 Paul Levy: That certainly was my experience, but the thing which was interesting.
00:11:59.790 --> 00:12:11.760 Paul Levy: Is that not only was I having this this realization of the dream like nature, but over that next almost a couple of years, because you know, so I got immediately brought into a.
00:12:12.420 --> 00:12:24.300 Paul Levy: psychiatric Ward diagnosed as being bipolar and I knew that Oh, they don't have any idea what they're talking about I knew I was having an awakening it couldn't have been made it couldn't have been more obvious to me.
00:12:24.450 --> 00:12:25.440 Paul Levy: So over that next.
00:12:26.820 --> 00:12:32.490 Paul Levy: One and a half years, maybe three four other times I was putting hospitals and.
00:12:33.750 --> 00:12:42.540 Paul Levy: But the the thing I was going to say was that things began happening in my life that were physically impossible, particularly, I was beginning to meet my teachers.
00:12:43.050 --> 00:12:57.390 Paul Levy: And when I was around them, it was like the whole 3D space time continuum just warped and stuff would happen that could only happen in dreams and I didn't realize it then, but I was being shown something.
00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:09.570 Paul Levy: And it's taken me 40 plus years and i'm still integrating what what was being shown to me, but you know, so it in the last hospital, which was 82.
00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:21.060 Paul Levy: And I took myself off the medication really quick because I figured out how to navigate between the worlds of consensus reality and this new world that I had actually tapped into.
00:13:21.630 --> 00:13:34.890 Paul Levy: And it took me about a dozen years to go to therapy and connect with my dreams and study young and do Buddhism and demonic stuff and plant medicine and you know everything under the sun, because I was in so much pain and trauma.
00:13:35.910 --> 00:13:45.480 Paul Levy: And then in like 94, I think, is when I started teaching because that's when I realized, you know i'm not fully healed I don't know if if i'll ever be.
00:13:46.050 --> 00:14:02.130 Paul Levy: arm, but I had the realization that by going through that ordeal I had discovered something in myself that was medicine for other people and so that's when I began teaching that I haven't had to do anything else very thankfully sense.
00:14:02.520 --> 00:14:21.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: wow wow yeah and isn't that, like the the in the indigenous tradition of shamanism and of being a shaman a shaman is basically someone who's gone through some extraordinary experience and has integrated, to some extent, and then sort of shows the way for the rest of the village.
00:14:22.230 --> 00:14:31.110 Paul Levy: yeah know that and I knew nothing about shamanism and I joke with my friends i'm no shaman only in my wildest of my dreams and my shaman.
00:14:31.830 --> 00:14:33.810 Paul Levy: But there's Tom is related to the wounded healer.
00:14:34.380 --> 00:14:42.900 Paul Levy: And and we're all wounded healers and I point out in my work that the romantic Arc type is is one of If not, the primary archives.
00:14:43.170 --> 00:14:52.980 Paul Levy: that's activated in the collective unconscious of our species that were all being called to be shamans were shamans and training were wounded healers and training.
00:14:53.610 --> 00:15:01.410 Paul Levy: And, at a certain point, I began to you know, to see the pattern oh i've gotten enlisted into this demonic condition Tory process.
00:15:02.370 --> 00:15:12.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful beautiful great Paul great okay nice foundation, we have to take our first break so when we come back, I want to talk about like how you sort of.
00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:24.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: discovered or came up with this idea of what to do, or how you sort of synthesize that and then you know what it kind of meant in the beginning, and then we'll get into a couple of different aspects that you write about in your book.
00:15:25.170 --> 00:15:37.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sure wonderful so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, we do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm Eastern time right here on talk radio dot nyc.
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00:18:08.970 --> 00:18:15.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity so so Paul the last segment, we talked about.
00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:34.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You having your own sort of awakening some people call it a kundalini awakening a spiritual awakening whatever you want to call it doesn't really the labels aren't as important to me as the experience itself, but how did that lead you and what sort of was the catalyst for you to.
00:18:35.910 --> 00:18:43.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: find this idea of what kiko, which is an indigenous term and and why did that resonate with you so much.
00:18:44.130 --> 00:18:54.150 Paul Levy: yeah well in my story my spiritual awakening got catalyzed by this intense abuse by this trauma from my father and.
00:18:54.990 --> 00:19:00.660 Paul Levy: And it was as if there's a darker for us was coming through him as an instrument.
00:19:01.290 --> 00:19:13.770 Paul Levy: And when the abuse really took hold that same you know kind of evil energy it was like getting a transfusion and it came into me so all of a sudden, it was he could exit stage left.
00:19:14.250 --> 00:19:27.960 Paul Levy: And I was left with this really you know darker spirit that wasn't in my mind at all, it was like getting a transmission and then, when I got thrown in psychiatric hospital hospitals, I began to have the recognition.
00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:39.450 Paul Levy: Oh, my God that same malignant malevolent force instead of operating through the person of my father was now operating through the psychiatric system as a whole.
00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:49.860 Paul Levy: I mean, I could not believe the madness and the abuse that was operating through the psychiatric system, and then I began to recognize like an iteration of a fractal.
00:19:50.250 --> 00:19:58.170 Paul Levy: That that same level and for us was operating in the greater body politic of the world, and I began to recognize its interfacing.
00:19:58.740 --> 00:20:06.480 Paul Levy: Through our minds, through our psyches and it's somehow is able to inform and give shape to events in the physical world.
00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:17.880 Paul Levy: So that's when I began, so I was, I was tracking something like a higher dimensional evil energy, but what in my work, I try to point out that encoded within it.
00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:30.330 Paul Levy: is its own vaccine that it actually has its own cure, and not only that that it's actually helping us that it's actually catalyzing our evolution and that's informed my whole body of work.
00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:44.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right, and so you call with Chico a mind virus and what is there a specific definition for what Chico you know, someone has to ask you, like what is what tika What would you say.
00:20:44.820 --> 00:20:52.050 Paul Levy: yeah yeah so I mean I described it in as many ways as I can imagine you could say it's a psycho spiritual disease of the soul.
00:20:52.410 --> 00:20:59.310 Paul Levy: it's like this um blindness it's a mind blindness, but it's a peculiar form of mine now, when the Bible.
00:20:59.730 --> 00:21:10.680 Paul Levy: All throughout the Bible, there are these phrases about Oh, we have eyes, but don't see or there's this mind blindness, or you know people have shut their eyes and.
00:21:11.070 --> 00:21:16.890 Paul Levy: And you know and it's all pointing out what you go in the apocryphal texts they talk about a counterfeiting spirit.
00:21:17.370 --> 00:21:31.260 Paul Levy: And this is exactly what kiko because it has no creativity at all, but it's impersonates us, it puts us on it offers us this fictitious version of ourselves oh i'm limited i'm wounded i'm traumatized.
00:21:31.890 --> 00:21:45.240 Paul Levy: And if we're not awaken that moment, if we identify with its version of ourselves, then it has us then it can manipulate and control us, but if we're in touch with our true nature, it has no power over us so you know just one.
00:21:45.870 --> 00:21:52.200 Paul Levy: You know, to contemplate what I just described, there are three things that happen one is we actually.
00:21:53.430 --> 00:21:57.810 Paul Levy: give ourselves away we identify with who were not.
00:21:58.710 --> 00:22:11.010 Paul Levy: And then we are creative agency, we sort of disassociate from that's a recipe for madness and that's what he called a nutshell, and not just individually, but collectively as a species.
00:22:11.310 --> 00:22:22.170 Paul Levy: When everybody is sort of under its thrall like that or or the majority of people, then what what he co is it's a collective psychosis and it works through the project of tendencies of the mind.
00:22:22.980 --> 00:22:34.290 Paul Levy: in such a way that we introduce ourselves, there is no one putting us under the spell we are colluding in participating in creating our own spell and what my work is is trying to break the spell.
00:22:34.860 --> 00:22:35.490 um.
00:22:38.100 --> 00:22:42.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: One of your earlier books was the madness of George Bush.
00:22:43.050 --> 00:22:56.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I thought it was quite interesting but but i'm curious if you have anything to say about what happened with trump getting elected because to me trump couldn't have happened if George Bush and never gotten elected President.
00:22:56.940 --> 00:23:03.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, so why, why do you say that that the election of George Bush is a reflection of our collective psychosis.
00:23:03.810 --> 00:23:07.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah and how it is trump sort of the next step of that.
00:23:08.070 --> 00:23:13.800 Paul Levy: yeah well, I was so freaked out when Bush got elected that the way I kept myself saying was to write that book.
00:23:14.130 --> 00:23:16.560 Paul Levy: And what i'm pointing at was that we're having a collective.
00:23:16.560 --> 00:23:26.880 Paul Levy: dream and we dreamed up Bush to embody our own insanity that he was a dream character that we collectively literally have dreamed up.
00:23:27.270 --> 00:23:37.920 Paul Levy: You know, to reflect back to us instead of keeping because the thing about what he go it feeds off of separation if we think oh Bush is crazy or trump is crazy or whatever.
00:23:38.370 --> 00:23:47.610 Paul Levy: And if we see them as separate from us, then we ourselves have unwittingly become an instrument for what kiko because it feeds off of you know polarization and fear.
00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:54.660 Paul Levy: But I was trying to point out in the bush book that oh he's actually this dream character, reflecting back the insane part of us.
00:23:55.290 --> 00:24:01.260 Paul Levy: And then, when trump got elected I didn't even have to write anything because there were all these people writing about oh.
00:24:01.500 --> 00:24:11.700 Paul Levy: trump is embodying and reflecting our own in Saturday, so I figured okay good i'll i'll you know, do something else and that's when I wrote my quantum physics book and all that you know.
00:24:12.330 --> 00:24:24.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, and they see my loyal listeners tonight as a question on the Facebook wife, she asked what do you think about with Tito seemingly within our dreams, is it a subconscious awareness of it.
00:24:25.410 --> 00:24:35.970 Paul Levy: yeah well I point out what Tito is this dreaming phenomena we have literally dreamed up there, what Chico psychic epidemic in our world because it's a collective psychosis.
00:24:36.360 --> 00:24:46.650 Paul Levy: But what that means is that not only have we created it and co creating it moment by moment but it's actually showing us the dream like nature.
00:24:47.070 --> 00:24:50.010 Paul Levy: that's what I mean that encoded in the pathogen.
00:24:50.670 --> 00:25:07.110 Paul Levy: You know, because what you go with the source of the deepest evil, but it's a quantum phenomena and what that means is that hidden within what he go is the light is this incredible gift, but if we don't have the recognition of what it's revealing to us, it will kill us absolutely right.
00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:10.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know right right right because it's all.
00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:28.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If reality is really non dual if everything really is connected then within everything is both light and dark is both good and evil is both you know all the dualities that you can think of um you mentioned the cabal on your book.
00:25:29.940 --> 00:25:33.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: us both being nice nice Jewish boys i'm from the bronx year from yonkers.
00:25:35.610 --> 00:25:39.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What did you find in the combo law that relates to what tikka.
00:25:40.260 --> 00:25:46.110 Paul Levy: yeah well you know as soon as I finished dispelling with ECO and I got published, I began studying.
00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:55.590 Paul Levy: The Kabbalah and it blew my mind, because I right away saw oh they're describing what kiko but just in an incredibly creative way.
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.650 Paul Levy: That you know here are the light of God, you know.
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:08.070 Paul Levy: The light of God came into these vessels, but it, you know they shattered because they couldn't contain the light and then there are these things, the you know call.
00:26:08.790 --> 00:26:15.810 Paul Levy: Clean Pope, I think, is how you pronounce it that Paris cynically fed off the light, but didn't actually have objective existence.
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:30.270 Paul Levy: And, in a way, they were the source of evil, but they're sort, but the very Center of that these these you know shards the clip out where the light and it was as if the light had put a spell on itself and then.
00:26:30.540 --> 00:26:33.420 Paul Levy: Had unwittingly invested in the power of darkness.
00:26:33.630 --> 00:26:40.440 Paul Levy: That imprisoned, the light, but the powers of darkness ultimately didn't even exist and that hidden within the darkness was the light.
00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:52.860 Paul Levy: You know that is precisely what i've been pointing at is the nature of what he go, so in that book that just came out there's a whole big chapter on on the Kabbalah.
00:26:53.760 --> 00:27:11.070 Paul Levy: And that you know that we play the role of being alchemists to in a way extract the light that's hidden in the darkness and it's exactly that that i'm pointing at with what's happening in the world, things seem so dark and all that but i'm actually pointing out that it's like this.
00:27:12.450 --> 00:27:22.920 Paul Levy: revelation that what's happening with the war in Ukraine with coven it's actually this revelation, but if we don't recognize that will then it'll kill us.
00:27:23.520 --> 00:27:35.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah yeah yeah good point good point and and we are going to get there, I do want to get there, but I have a couple of other things I want to touch upon first it just you know, listening to you say.
00:27:35.610 --> 00:27:43.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What came to mind is this old movie I saw many, many years ago called the dark crystal That was a Jim henson movie.
00:27:44.430 --> 00:27:53.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And in the movie you know if anyone hasn't seen it it's a wonderful movie but that quote unquote evil creatures.
00:27:54.150 --> 00:28:10.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the quote unquote good creatures end up coming together at the end and that when there was the sort of a process or recognition that they're both one in the same that only then was sort of the curse of the spell broken in this world of the dark crystal.
00:28:11.370 --> 00:28:16.950 Paul Levy: yummy now i've heard about so many people have told me about the dark crystal I actually haven't seen it.
00:28:17.490 --> 00:28:26.040 Paul Levy: But you know it's so great to have for because one of the ways of healing what kiko is to access the incredible creative spirit.
00:28:26.550 --> 00:28:40.530 Paul Levy: Because our nature is creative were made in the image of our creator and when so so I so encourage people you know, because we all have this living experience of what kiko in in our relationships in the world.
00:28:41.010 --> 00:28:48.660 Paul Levy: You know um and for us to actually creatively express it, be it in like the dark crystal a fairy tale a painting a.
00:28:48.660 --> 00:29:04.620 Paul Levy: story, you know that actually is eggs or cystic that actually takes the power away from the mind virus and we become empowered so being creative is one of the main you know cures for what take them.
00:29:05.310 --> 00:29:19.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful beautiful okay it's time for us to take our next break when we come back, since it started on this thread, I want to ask you about one of my favorite science fiction authors that you mentioned in your book Philip K Dick who they.
00:29:20.340 --> 00:29:27.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: really like it, there were so many amazing science fiction movies now being made up from his work of us very.
00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:32.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: way ahead of his time but you mentioned them in your book, so I want to get into why you mentioned him in the book.
00:29:33.300 --> 00:29:41.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah and I want to bring it around, as you mentioned, to coven of how cove it is sort of this symbolic representation of what to do as well.
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00:32:09.330 --> 00:32:16.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, I see on the Facebook live my friend Fred.
00:32:18.060 --> 00:32:28.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: says grant morrison had a great view about what Chico in his opus the invisibles from this graphic novel the movie the matrix was built.
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:30.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So.
00:32:31.950 --> 00:32:46.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Before before we get into that I have to ask you about Philip K Dick because I was pleasantly surprised that you mentioned him, and you have like a whole chapter on him in your book and he's one of my favorite science fiction authors, how did you come to include.
00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:49.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Philip K Dick about this idea of what Chico.
00:32:49.770 --> 00:32:57.300 Paul Levy: or well when I began to study you know his his personal journal, the letters he wrote.
00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:06.720 Paul Levy: I it blew my mind, because I realized oh my God he's word for word, describing what he go he calls it on the black iron prison.
00:33:07.590 --> 00:33:17.850 Paul Levy: And, of course, he describes it in a typical you know, in his unique one of a kind way, unlike anybody else.
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:31.800 Paul Levy: And you know I right away saw oh my God, you know he's you know he shedding light on this mind virus that that works through our blind spots and through the protective tendencies of the mind and it kind of.
00:33:32.250 --> 00:33:41.730 Paul Levy: captures the regulatory agency, the immune system of the psyche so that we're oblivious to that we unwittingly become an instrument for acting it out and.
00:33:42.090 --> 00:33:57.660 Paul Levy: I just couldn't believe it and and he is like some sort of profit or something, and I mean he kept on saying he goes yeah i'm not in the business of really a sort of creating art i'm in the business of actually expressing the truth.
00:33:58.170 --> 00:34:06.570 Paul Levy: And he knew he was onto something and so yeah there's a whole chapter in the book all about how Philip K Dick because you know i'm trying to point out.
00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:16.500 Paul Levy: it's not just the native American people, you know they they're the ones you know who came up with the word what he go, but every spiritual tradition every single one.
00:34:17.130 --> 00:34:30.240 Paul Levy: from time immemorial so many of these visionary thinkers and philosophers and creative artists they're all pointing at what kiko, which is the very thing we need to see because we don't see it.
00:34:30.600 --> 00:34:38.910 Paul Levy: You see, as long as we don't see it, it has power over us, but as soon as we see how it operates through informing events in the outer world and actually.
00:34:39.270 --> 00:34:54.210 Paul Levy: You know inside of our own mind as soon as we see it, we take away its power and we become empowered so it's as if there's this malevolent force that Dick was pointing at that is doing everything it can to keep us asleep and stop us from seeing it.
00:34:54.780 --> 00:35:04.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So So how do we wake up to it, I mean it's which he goes, not just a macro problem it's not just a problem in the world whole world it's a problem in our own lives.
00:35:04.350 --> 00:35:05.040 Paul Levy: yeah yeah.
00:35:05.130 --> 00:35:15.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So how many recognizing our own life that what Chico is an active agent, so that we do have we are empowered and we are have agency over.
00:35:15.810 --> 00:35:26.340 Paul Levy: yeah well you're totally right what he call operates on all scales, the micro you know inside of our minds in our relationships and out in the greater body politic of the world.
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:37.890 Paul Levy: And you know it only like i'm saying it only has power over us to the point that we don't see it, so it, how it operates is through the projected tendencies to the mind and i'll give you an example.
00:35:38.670 --> 00:35:47.430 Paul Levy: If you're in a dream and and what is a dream, but it's this reflection of the mind instantaneously reflecting back whatever viewpoint, we hold.
00:35:47.790 --> 00:35:52.290 Paul Levy: If we're holding a viewpoint in the dream, the dream instantaneously reflects that viewpoint.
00:35:52.680 --> 00:36:00.150 Paul Levy: which then confirms to us oh what we're seeing is objectively true so then we get more fixed in our viewpoint, the more fixed in our viewpoint.
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:12.240 Paul Levy: The more the dream will just offer us evidence confirming or viewpoint in a self reinforcing feedback loop whose origin is our own mind, and we have literally hypnotize ourselves by our creative genius.
00:36:12.720 --> 00:36:24.480 Paul Levy: What i'm point that's what what he does, when you see through that you actually unlock the most unimaginable creativity, because we this video in quantum physics.
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:37.620 Paul Levy: The revelations emerging from quantum physics have proven this I think i've written a whole book about that, but it's basically pointing out that we are actually creating our experience of ourselves and of the world, instead of being passive victims.
00:36:37.830 --> 00:36:49.740 Paul Levy: know we become these these you know proactive creative agents, with enormous power, each one of us, you know because so many people feel helpless with what's happening in the world, all.
00:36:50.070 --> 00:36:57.600 Paul Levy: The madness and evil know that's what he go that's the spell of quantico each one of us have this enormous power.
00:36:58.290 --> 00:37:04.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right and and it's so interesting because I when I talk to people about this, I like to say that.
00:37:05.610 --> 00:37:12.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, we sometimes don't feel like we have much agency, but we actually do because we have choice.
00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:21.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We have the ability to choose and that choice is what's empowers us and that we can choose moment for a moment what are we focusing on.
00:37:21.690 --> 00:37:26.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Which direction do we go, are we showing up more in compassion or more an ego.
00:37:27.270 --> 00:37:40.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we're constantly exercising our choice and that's where our agency is and that's where the real power lies so and we can look at it, even in our own life, our own life is a creation.
00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:56.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Of not just the things that happened to us, but our response our decisions, our choice of how we choose to respond to what happens to us and that point that that inflection point where we get to choose, it has all the power in the world, so.
00:37:56.610 --> 00:37:57.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We are yeah and.
00:37:58.050 --> 00:38:07.590 Paul Levy: And that's why one of the you know in in my work, I talked about that what kiko under allies like feeling traumatized or having addictions.
00:38:08.010 --> 00:38:14.310 Paul Levy: Because when you have, for example, an addiction, or like with trauma, you know you just react.
00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:24.960 Paul Levy: And and and that's not being of choice, but you know and then that just feeds what he go, but if you actually have that moment of spaciousness and then you realize.
00:38:25.350 --> 00:38:35.460 Paul Levy: Oh, I can choose to actually act out, you know that habitual pattern or I can actually make the choice to not do that.
00:38:35.790 --> 00:38:51.240 Paul Levy: that's all of a sudden, where we then have free will, if we're just compulsively acting out our thing and imagining we have free Well, no, no, no, not at all, but yeah having that choice that's that's the very sort of that's the doorway that's the portal.
00:38:51.630 --> 00:38:57.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: um I noticed in your book um you mentioned Sri aurobindo.
00:38:58.890 --> 00:39:02.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: window what did you learn from from him and.
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:10.110 Paul Levy: yeah well that happened in my mind, I mean because he you know, was one of the greatest spiritual masters of the last century and.
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:21.780 Paul Levy: He um you know, the thing he emphasized the most was the hostile forces and it kept on describing these hostile forces, and you know.
00:39:22.410 --> 00:39:35.190 Paul Levy: hundred percent he was articulating the what he called mind virus and and he was pointing out that when when somebody is on the verge of evolving and waking up well, then you attract the hostile forces.
00:39:35.580 --> 00:39:44.940 Paul Levy: That will try everything they can to try to stop you and and I experienced that every day because, as a creative person as as an author writer artist.
00:39:45.270 --> 00:39:54.330 Paul Levy: I see as soon as I go, you know to my computer to start to write I feel this incredible resistance, you know or as i'm bringing in.
00:39:54.600 --> 00:39:59.700 Paul Levy: You know my work on what to do, I feel, these incredible like darker forces trying to stop me.
00:40:00.090 --> 00:40:08.460 Paul Levy: And you know i've learned that all that's a sign them on the right path i'm doing something right, so instead of getting hooked by the resistance and stopping.
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:18.390 Paul Levy: Know i've learned, the greater the resistance, the greater their potential gift if I if I just don't identify with the resistance and I think we all experienced that.
00:40:18.690 --> 00:40:23.250 Paul Levy: You know, and because one of the things about what tikka tikka was around.
00:40:24.210 --> 00:40:33.960 Paul Levy: It shuts down our voice, we all it's not safe to speak and then that process gets internalized where we then become our own control system where we preemptively.
00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:41.700 Paul Levy: shut our true expression down before we are even aware of it, because it gets pushed out into the unconscious and that creates pathology.
00:40:41.970 --> 00:40:50.670 Paul Levy: And then we've internalized that were to go, then we don't need any outside abuser we are our own abuser and that whole process is inspired by what didn't go.
00:40:51.720 --> 00:41:05.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right it's kind of like you know that old expression that we're our own worst enemy, will I it's it's because that's our own internal response to this programmatic.
00:41:06.030 --> 00:41:14.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: thing that's running inside of us saying you know who are you how who's going to read your stuff or who are you to you know stand out speak.
00:41:14.790 --> 00:41:22.080 Paul Levy: Right right right we internalize the credit, you know, and so you know the whole idea of what kiszko.
00:41:22.860 --> 00:41:32.580 Paul Levy: You know, it does not even exist there's no such thing as what he go independently of our own mind, which is to say we are complicit moment by moment in creating it.
00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:43.650 Paul Levy: You know it's not even important Oh, what is the origin of it no it's getting created in each and every moment by us, we are participating, you know, in its invocation.
00:41:44.010 --> 00:41:58.920 Paul Levy: And what that means is that, when we bring awareness to that we can make the choice to stop doing it and then all of then we, we all have our light our nature or love or compassion and our creativity can just express itself freely.
00:41:59.430 --> 00:42:02.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right, and then we can truly be who we are, we can truly.
00:42:02.910 --> 00:42:05.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: live our life, the way we're meant to live our life.
00:42:05.700 --> 00:42:06.660 Paul Levy: Right exactly.
00:42:07.230 --> 00:42:19.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: um I have a question around that but I think i'm going to wait because we're almost at time to take a commercial break, so I think i'm going to take the last break a little early, so we can go out and come back and then I want to.
00:42:20.310 --> 00:42:22.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: ask you this question when we come back, which is.
00:42:24.270 --> 00:42:39.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can we read the world of what kiko by waking up and like when we see like even were aware of what he could, but when we see other people so unaware of what he go, what do we do to help them wake up like it's not just our own awakening.
00:42:39.450 --> 00:42:49.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or it's everyone else's awaken so we'll get into that right after this commercial break we're speaking with Paul levy levy, the author of where Chico.
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00:45:00.810 --> 00:45:08.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity so Paul i'm talking all about with Chico this past 45 minutes.
00:45:10.230 --> 00:45:15.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can we ultimately dispel with Chico is with Tito always going to be here.
00:45:16.050 --> 00:45:23.430 Paul Levy: yeah and that's a good question now, the thing to you know just to contextualize the the what ego mind virus is it's.
00:45:23.850 --> 00:45:31.200 Paul Levy: At the root of the collective madness were playing out of all the evil, you know that is getting an active.
00:45:31.710 --> 00:45:42.060 Paul Levy: And you know if I would think what is the The worst thing that could possibly happen right now it's that if what you go with disappear from the world, because then we'd have no way to evolve.
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:53.610 Paul Levy: You know, and, in theory, if not in practice yeah there could be a world where where we awaken because what what he go really isn't a sense is a misidentification.
00:45:53.910 --> 00:45:57.180 Paul Levy: Of who we think we are it's when were identified with this separate self.
00:45:57.600 --> 00:46:05.910 Paul Levy: And as soon as I identify with a separate self then there's others as soon as there's others there was fear and fear is the superfood for what taiko.
00:46:06.180 --> 00:46:15.750 Paul Levy: So the idea being to the extent that we snap out of the imagination of the separate self and sufficient number of other people have that same recognition.
00:46:16.170 --> 00:46:25.770 Paul Levy: And we discover just the existing state of affairs that we're interdependent and interconnected with each other, that there is no separate self anywhere to be found.
00:46:26.220 --> 00:46:43.410 Paul Levy: And then the expression of that is compassion in theory that could potentially happen to the point where our species could really have a global awakening but then the question comes up will say if we awaken to whatever degree we do, how do we, you know how do we awaken other people.
00:46:43.620 --> 00:46:46.020 Paul Levy: And if we if we preach the light.
00:46:46.500 --> 00:46:51.090 Paul Levy: To people whose eyes are blind the one who's blind is us.
00:46:51.450 --> 00:47:04.980 Paul Levy: That doesn't help so then it's a question, how do we teach people the art of seeing and that's a very open ended question I don't know if I can answer that, in a short sentence, but that's really the nature of our situation.
00:47:05.610 --> 00:47:18.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right, I want to get into what's happening in Ukraine and just in the world in general, but before we do I want to talk about the pandemic, because you have a whole chapter talking about coronavirus and and.
00:47:20.100 --> 00:47:24.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How is the the coronavirus a reflection of what Chico.
00:47:24.630 --> 00:47:33.330 Paul Levy: yeah yeah so I I make a joke with my friends that if I had a marketing department, they couldn't have created a better publicity campaign.
00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:45.900 Paul Levy: You then what's played out in the world, the last two years, you know, because the coven the global pandemic is what kiko if you have the eyes to see, because if people think covert assess the physical virus, no.
00:47:46.140 --> 00:47:47.880 Paul Levy: that's only one of its vectors.
00:47:48.450 --> 00:48:00.060 Paul Levy: Think about how its impacted every aspect of society, economically, politically, socially what we were what we think about what we dream at night, how we interact with each other and.
00:48:00.750 --> 00:48:08.640 Paul Levy: You know, so the point is is that cove it has these multiple vectors of transmission and how it impacts our minds.
00:48:08.970 --> 00:48:21.000 Paul Levy: And when you begin to see that it's like all of a sudden seeing the higher dimensional image of you know just you know the superficial physical coronavirus that's just the the most surface.
00:48:21.240 --> 00:48:33.630 Paul Levy: image of what's actually happening, and then you begin to see oh all of those reactions, you know, both economically, politically every single way you know our behavior it's mediated through the human psyche.
00:48:34.050 --> 00:48:47.190 Paul Levy: And the human psyche is the arena for what kiko, and so there is a way of actually seeing what's happening in the world, you know when coven came on the scene that helps us to see what he go okay.
00:48:47.640 --> 00:48:59.370 Paul Levy: and seeing what he go, like, I say again and again seeing how it actually is able to configure events in the outer world so as to reflect back the psyche that's under its thrall.
00:48:59.670 --> 00:49:09.510 Paul Levy: So, in other words the outer world is reflecting the inner condition of humanity that's just like a dream, where what is a dream it's a projection of them of the dreamer of the mind.
00:49:09.990 --> 00:49:12.450 Paul Levy: And so, all of a sudden, when you begin to see that you see.
00:49:12.690 --> 00:49:24.960 Paul Levy: As soon as we're seeing this world through the fragmented vision of the separate self we can't see what he go, but when you begin to see the non local field, the quantum field that we're interconnected.
00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:33.150 Paul Levy: That we're contained within the field that we're expressions of it that there is no separate parts interacting like quantum physics has proven.
00:49:33.510 --> 00:49:49.290 Paul Levy: But it's all seamlessly interconnected it's one whole that holistic vision, then we can begin to see what kiko and that's what i'm pointing at bringing that perception into the global pandemic and into the war in Ukraine same thing.
00:49:49.800 --> 00:50:02.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, because to me it's like the the pandemic was like the clearest indicator that we all are so interdependent that we are all so connected one person's health is everybody's health.
00:50:02.250 --> 00:50:10.830 Paul Levy: Right exactly exactly right that if somebody still is sick oh that we're still at risk and we're actually we depend on each other.
00:50:11.100 --> 00:50:12.360 Paul Levy: For our well being.
00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:14.160 Paul Levy: Exactly it couldn't be more clear.
00:50:14.520 --> 00:50:23.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right exactly exactly and it's funny like the pandemic and the lockdown has been such a great opportunity, but also our greatest challenge.
00:50:24.030 --> 00:50:35.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because now all of a sudden okay we're not going out we don't have we're not interacting with people so much we don't have all of that external stimulation to kind of distract us, so now we have to be present with ourselves.
00:50:36.060 --> 00:50:47.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But as a friend of mine said early on in the pandemic who's a meditator she said, Sam you know people like you and me if we can't go outside we go inside we go internal, but a lot of people don't know how to do that.
00:50:47.850 --> 00:50:53.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so and it's interesting also because there's been a lot of.
00:50:55.170 --> 00:51:06.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A parent division let's say like even in families now where people are like you know so one side or another side when it comes to the pandemic or the politics or whatever it's like the.
00:51:07.020 --> 00:51:20.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Contrast is the greatest that it's ever been in our lifetime so So how do you approach somebody when you see like there's such a gap between where they are and where we are.
00:51:20.640 --> 00:51:26.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right you show up in a way to encourage them to see the interdependence.
00:51:27.210 --> 00:51:40.260 Paul Levy: yeah no totally and you're describing the there's a polarization in our world, unlike we've ever seen, and keep in mind what kiko if both inspires the polarization and it feeds off it, you know.
00:51:40.710 --> 00:51:42.210 Paul Levy: And, and so.
00:51:42.630 --> 00:51:46.830 Paul Levy: One of um you know, one of the problems is that.
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:56.610 Paul Levy: You know people assume a viewpoint, be it, you know they've adjusted the propaganda from the mainstream media or they've done their research and have come to a certain conclusion.
00:51:56.910 --> 00:52:04.740 Paul Levy: But the problem is, is that whatever side you're on typically then people feel that oh i'm in possession of the truth.
00:52:05.310 --> 00:52:08.640 Paul Levy: And then, all of a sudden that creates a subtle separation.
00:52:08.970 --> 00:52:19.380 Paul Levy: And then they try to convince the other person and then you know, of course, what kiko is inspiring that whole you know escapade in a way, and then get you know this gets more and more stronger so.
00:52:19.950 --> 00:52:26.160 Paul Levy: I guess, one thing that I try to do is you know, I have certain points of view of what I think is happening.
00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:38.670 Paul Levy: And, but I also cultivate the ability to try to entertain, how is the other side, seeing things, how come they're seeing it that way, are they seeing something that i'm not seeing.
00:52:39.330 --> 00:52:45.450 Paul Levy: And, and so, then all of a sudden, it can create some sort of compassion some sort of connection.
00:52:46.080 --> 00:52:53.790 Paul Levy: You know and it's interesting with certain friends, who I feel are really fixed in a particular viewpoint i've learned all there's this.
00:52:54.240 --> 00:52:58.860 Paul Levy: don't go there as own I don't even because they even bring up certain topics.
00:52:59.250 --> 00:53:09.300 Paul Levy: You know, we just create separation and hurt and i've never experienced anything like that, before, but if you remember, I was saying, when what he goes in the field it's not safe to speak.
00:53:09.750 --> 00:53:24.690 Paul Levy: You know, because think about it, if we you know, particularly people who have a platform if we're espousing points of view that are other than the mainstream narrative than the agreed upon agreed upon narrative we can get the platform sensor.
00:53:24.930 --> 00:53:26.490 Paul Levy: Had the monetize.
00:53:26.820 --> 00:53:34.140 Paul Levy: The whole thing and that's an example that's an external ization of the inner process of how what he co works in the psyche.
00:53:34.740 --> 00:53:37.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right exactly exactly.
00:53:39.180 --> 00:53:48.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: i'm curious with everything going on and the way things are playing out Are you concerned about the future for humanity are you hopeful.
00:53:48.420 --> 00:54:05.490 Paul Levy: yeah um I hold both in the sense that it's we're in an unbelievably perilous position, it makes me think I think there's a French proverb like and it says something like this is no time for pessimism we'll save that for better times.
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:06.480 Paul Levy: You know.
00:54:06.780 --> 00:54:15.990 Paul Levy: And the idea being is that know what what Chico contains in a superposition of States, both the deepest evil and the highest good and.
00:54:16.620 --> 00:54:23.490 Paul Levy: So how this is going to manifest just like quantum physics, points out it's in a state of open ended potential reality.
00:54:23.910 --> 00:54:31.470 Paul Levy: You know, we can absolutely destroy the biosphere and and destroy our species and take ourselves down.
00:54:31.950 --> 00:54:44.220 Paul Levy: Or, this could be the catalyst for the you know for our evolution as a species for a worldwide global awakening absolutely and how it actually manifest depends on us, because we're the dreamers.
00:54:44.610 --> 00:54:46.920 Paul Levy: The point of what i'm trying to say.
00:54:47.160 --> 00:54:56.310 Paul Levy: To the extent we see we actually have the realization not just intellectually, but in our hearts that this is a dream not metaphorically.
00:54:56.760 --> 00:55:08.070 Paul Levy: That it's like a dream No, this is a collective dream we are literally co creating our universe moment by moment that's what every spiritual tradition is pointing at.
00:55:08.430 --> 00:55:21.030 Paul Levy: And that's what this can potentially initiate us into and if a sufficient number of us get tapped into that and connect with each other, because then that goes viral that that's a contagion.
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:32.550 Paul Levy: That actually will help humanity awakened then i'm very, very hopeful, you know but it's easy to get seduced because the evidence, at least on one level of reality.
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:40.230 Paul Levy: is very you know convincingly dark and we can get into despair, but if we fall into that pessimism then we're part of the problem.
00:55:40.380 --> 00:55:42.510 Paul Levy: Because then weren't going to invoke all the evidence.
00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:49.980 Paul Levy: To confirm our point of view and a self reinforcing feedback loop whose origins are online and then we're minion of what you go.
00:55:50.520 --> 00:56:01.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right, I find it so fascinating and it's also like a reflection of the polarization is there are some people out there, I think you and I included who.
00:56:03.450 --> 00:56:10.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: See the empowerment like see the possibilities see like the amazing things that are happening right now.
00:56:11.100 --> 00:56:21.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then there are the the this other people who live in a completely different world where everything is dark where everything's a problem where everything is going to hell in a handbasket, as they say.
00:56:21.750 --> 00:56:29.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it's like they're these two worlds simultaneously and and people are living in these two completely different worlds and we're side by side.
00:56:30.330 --> 00:56:31.710 Paul Levy: Right, with no intersection.
00:56:31.860 --> 00:56:35.940 Paul Levy: Like parallel line right, it makes me think of I think what you had you know.
00:56:36.750 --> 00:56:49.140 Paul Levy: Your your book that you know beginning of this talk, you had said something like well, the thing that makes me think of one of my teachers who was here this great Tibetan Lama, a few years ago visiting me.
00:56:49.650 --> 00:57:00.780 Paul Levy: And he probably said this a million times, but I never heard it like I did this one moment, and he said, you know in Tibet, all of the great enlightened beings they didn't become enlightened because things are going great.
00:57:01.170 --> 00:57:04.680 Paul Levy: know they became enlightened because there were incredible obstacles.
00:57:04.740 --> 00:57:14.640 Paul Levy: In their path and they were able to carry the obstacles to catalyze their realization and that's the nature of our situation right now.
00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:16.440 Paul Levy: We have dreamed up.
00:57:16.620 --> 00:57:25.890 Paul Levy: What ECO it's a dreamed up phenomena, you know it's informing it's giving shape to the war in Ukraine, it with the coven man is all of those things.
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:36.000 Paul Levy: And it can actually reveal to us the primacy of the human psyche in creating our experience and to realize that is to realize.
00:57:36.330 --> 00:57:46.740 Paul Levy: That the that the mind and matter like quantum physics has empirically shown are not separate to realize that is to have a holistic vision and expansion of consciousness.
00:57:47.160 --> 00:57:58.920 Paul Levy: And that itself is this is to dispel what kiko and that unlocks love creativity compassion and then you embody that and express that, in whatever way you do.
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:16.020 Paul Levy: And by you doing that you're actually being in service and making it more helpful or more probable that other people can access that that's you know, so what i'm pointing out is that the real deadly virus that's affecting our species is the mind virus is what.
00:58:17.160 --> 00:58:17.910 Paul Levy: I golden.
00:58:18.240 --> 00:58:28.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know right exactly exactly, but the beautiful thing about it is just by doing our own work just by us, focusing on our own enlightenment our own awakening we're.
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:38.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: affecting the world we're affecting other people, because we are all energetic beings and that frequency that vibration is being given off.
00:58:38.610 --> 00:58:52.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that's the surest way we have of improving the world Paul it's been such a pleasure, having you on the show, unfortunately I could talk to you for hours i'm so grateful for you to take time out of your day to come on my show Thank you so much.
00:58:53.310 --> 00:58:57.960 Paul Levy: yeah it's it's been it's totally my pleasure, I really enjoyed this, and thank you so much.
00:58:58.380 --> 00:59:02.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: near most welcome and please if you ever make it to New York City, please look me up and.
00:59:02.790 --> 00:59:02.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: i'll.
00:59:03.750 --> 00:59:05.790 Paul Levy: Make it to portland portland absolutely.
00:59:06.330 --> 00:59:19.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so just the last reminder so Paul is the author of with Chico healing the mind virus that plagues our world very worthwhile book, please go out and get it it's very important topic, thank you all for tuning in.
00:59:20.430 --> 00:59:26.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Next week, coming up, I have another amazing author, who wrote a book all around the seth the Jane Roberts.
00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:37.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: phenomena seth called reese entering stuff i'm going to be talking about that don't forget later today, we have an encore presentation and frank about health at 5pm tomorrow we've got.
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:49.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: philanthropy and focus always Friday wise content creates wealth and then Monday evening, we started all over again the edge of every day, thank you all for tuning in we will talk to you next week.
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