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WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
- What is magic? What is witchcraft? What is enchantment? How can our understanding of these reconnect us to Unity Consciousness and The Sacredness of All Life?
- What is the role of the Contemporary Witch? Feminist? Activist? Healer? All of the Above?
- The Reclamation of Ritual in our modern world - to Transform, Heal, and Awaken.
EPISODE SUMMARY:
Amanda Yates Garcia is an American witch, healer, and medium among other New Age practices, and is known as the "Oracle of Los Angeles". She is also a full-time witch and life coach. Yates Garcia promotes oneness with nature to save the world. She hosts the popular podcast, Between The Worlds.
We discuss:
- How a witch personifies the Edge of Everyday, embracing the power of both the light and the shadow.
- Her bestselling book, Initiated: Memoir of a Witch and her powerful journey back to reclaiming her birthright of being a Witch.
- How is witchcraft evolving, and how is the role of the Witch needed in our world NOW.
- Ageism, mentoring and becoming a Crone.
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Sandra kicks off tonight's episode welcoming her guest, Amanda Yates Garcia. Sandra encourages everyone to check out her past episode with her inspiring guests on her youtube channel at Sandra Bargman on the Edge of Everyday, here at TalkRadio.nyc and of course on all podcast platforms. Amanda Yates Garcia is known as the "Oracle of Los Angeles". She is also a full-time witch and life coach and host of the podcast, Between the Worlds. She has led nearly 100 public workshops and ceremonies and her work has been featured on the L.A Times, New York Times, The London Times, CNN, FOX, and more. She has also lectured on witchcraft at locations like UCLA, Cal State Pomona, The Hammer Museum, The Getty Museum and other institutions alike. Sandra had met Amanda only on social media and zoom. Andra shares how drawn she was to her work after reading Amanda's facebook page about taking a break from social media. Amanda currently uses the platform Substack, a platform she says is great for writers. Amanda and Sandra talk about the topic of tarot and the meaning of some of them such as the Ace of Wands, one that Sandra got when pulling out a card for herself. Sandta mentions how the nature of witchcraft is misunderstood.
Amanda shares that witchcraft is the art of changing consciousness at will. She says that to do this, you have to recognize what you're thinking about, how you're observing and relating to the world. Otherwise, you're doing but not really recognizing that you have choices. She also explains that the tools in witchcraft are used to find your “agency” and your personal and authentic will or nature. Amanda gives an example of feeling like there are things wrong in your life or feeling like there's something wrong with yourself. The first step is recognizing whether this is where you want to be. In witchcraft, she says that it isn't causal. As Sandra mentions, it's not “hocus pocus.” rather it changes the energy around you and the way you interact with it as well as changes you from the inside. She also talks with Sandra about how she views witchcraft and the philosophy of it. Witchcraft also doesn't have anyone or anything to say that there's a right or wrong way of practicing it, hence why Amanda says that she's explaining it in a form that speaks to what is for her and how she engages with it. They also talk about enchantment, what it means in general and in the world, and how practices like witchcraft reconnects us.
Amanda talks about her understanding of witches being the veil between the light and the dark and shapeshifters. She says that witches lived on the outskirts of town. The reason for their persecution in the medieval period or during the transition into modern times was because of the enclosure of the land that was held by the public and how landowners forbid the general public from grazing their animals there or being able to plant. So they would survey unless they worked for the landlords. Many of the witches accused of witchcraft were elderly women who turned into beggars for food. People would accuse them of casting spells. Amanda shares that this was a “misplaced guilt over this shift within the culture.” Amanda and Sandra also speak about ritual and what it means to Amanda. She speaks about using your imagination to wake up the sense of interconnectedness and ability to communicate with and transform the world.
Amanda mentions having a background in the arts and doing public rituals as an artist. Her understanding of her work has changed over time. Now, she understands ritual, witchcraft and spell-work as something that everyone is a part of. Its not something we spectate on as an audience. With ritual, she says you're always breaking the “fourth wall” comparing it to performance. Unlike performance, you are always participating in rituals. Sandra asks Amanda how she sees older generations thinkin about how ritual and witchcraft is evolving. She says that today's younger generation has a much stronger awareness of things like gender inclusivity and cultural appropriation. They are doing a lot of work to reclaim space for difference. She also explains the change that people have today which is the platform of the internet to talk about these things. Another powerful change relates to the internet and how people like Amanda can use her voice to talk about witchcraft from her perspective, comparing it to a time when you would only hear from those who were against it. You can find out more about Amanda Yates Garcia at oraclesoflosangeles.com, @amandayatesgarcia at Substack , Oracle of LA on Instagram, her podcast “Between the Worlds”, and also you check out her book Initiated: Memoir of a Witch , which you can find almost anywhere where books are sold like on Amazon.
00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:20.080 welcome everyone, i'm Sandra Bardman.
00:00:20.210 --> 00:00:31.130 A few years ago I wrote and performed a solo show called the Edge of every day, which was an exploration of the rough edges and contradictions we all face and grapple with
00:00:31.330 --> 00:00:39.330 the shows hit a nerve, and the relevance of the topic would only grow over time more than I could have first seen. So
00:00:39.340 --> 00:01:08.330 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: here we are, real talk with real people, sharing stories and perspectives that spark provocative invitations to leap out of what's safe on the edge of every day.
00:01:08.340 --> 00:01:15.810 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Amanda Yates Garcia, for our forty eighth episode, entitled The Edge of the underworld
00:01:16.270 --> 00:01:30.429 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: for those of you who have become loyal listeners. Thank you. Thank you so much for spending your time with me and my guests. Our numbers keep growing, and I have you to think I couldn't do it without you.
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00:02:03.990 --> 00:02:23.399 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: This show is about pushing boundaries and exploring rough edges through conversations and shared stories with friends and colleagues. It's my hope that we can begin to understand our edges, and what I mean by edges is those places where we are fearful,
00:02:23.410 --> 00:02:38.029 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: those places where we are resistant to change those places where paradoxes and contradictions live in our beliefs and in our understandings, both internally and collectively, in the world around us.
00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:57.720 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Listen. We live in edgy, tumultuous times, and people are complex. The more we recognize our own edges and get real about them, the more we can help others to do the same, and that, I fully believe, can help to change the world. So thanks again for tuning in,
00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:03.369 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and without further ado. It is time to introduce our guest tonight.
00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:21.459 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Amanda Yates. Garcia is an American witch author, healer and medium, among other New age practices, and is known as the oracle of Los Angeles. She is also a full-time witch and life coach.
00:03:21.700 --> 00:03:29.199 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: She has seen thousands of clients and led nearly one hundred public workshops and ceremonies.
00:03:29.210 --> 00:03:49.139 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Her work has been featured on the front page of the La Times in the New York Times, The London Times, the San Fran Chronicle on Cnn. Fox Glamour, uk Goop, as well as interviews in literary journals, like the Believer and Triangle House to name a few
00:03:49.430 --> 00:04:07.440 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Amanda has a background in somatic work, Bfa. And Dance from University College of London and Narrative Theater, Mfa. In Writing Critical Theory and Film from Cal Arts, and she has lectured on witchcraft at Ucla,
00:04:07.450 --> 00:04:17.719 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Cal. State, Pomona, Uc. Irvine, the Hammer Museum, the Getting Museum, Moca, and many other cultural institutions
00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:27.280 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: in two thousand and nineteen she published Her first book initiated Memoir of a Witch with grand Central Hatchet.
00:04:27.300 --> 00:04:31.790 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Since then it's been translated into six languages.
00:04:31.970 --> 00:04:36.909 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: She is the host of the popular podcast between the worlds.
00:04:37.180 --> 00:04:42.020 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Hello, Amanda! Welcome to the edge of every day.
00:04:42.610 --> 00:04:48.340 Amanda Yates Garcia: Hello, son John! It's such a pleasure to be here with you today.
00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.040 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: It is truly a pleasure;
00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:55.430 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and as I like to share with my guests
00:04:55.770 --> 00:05:07.639 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: how I meet, or at like a share with all of my audience, how I meet my guests, and I Haven't met Amanda in person only on zoom and on social media,
00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:16.639 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and I was completely drawn in, and Laser focused on her work. Once I read on her Facebook page
00:05:17.970 --> 00:05:35.819 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: that she was taking a break from social meeting, and the way that she talked about it really deeply resonated for me. Um. She just talked about needing to take a break from it, and how it was sucking all of her energy, and she didn't want to jump through hoops. And so from then on I was really tuned into all of your work.
00:05:35.870 --> 00:05:38.369 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: And so, yeah,
00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:49.000 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and you are not on that. You are on oracle of Los Angeles. Now you're not on the original page. With that I used to follow um Mandyates Garcia right?
00:05:49.010 --> 00:05:59.830 Amanda Yates Garcia: Um. Also I have two Facebook pages. I have, uh, I think, at Amana Yates Garcia, and at oracle of La.
00:05:59.840 --> 00:06:13.819 Amanda Yates Garcia: One of them is a personal page, and one of them is a business page. But I never really go on them anymore. I I haven't really been on Facebook for maybe like six to eight months. I do um
00:06:14.200 --> 00:06:31.519 Amanda Yates Garcia: have an Instagram account it's pretty pop in. But uh, but I also just launched a a sub sack at a Mandy. It's Garcia, and that's where I'm really going to be focusing my energy. Now, I really like some stack because it's a platform that's
00:06:31.570 --> 00:06:47.830 Amanda Yates Garcia: oriented towards writers, so I can go a little bit more deeply into the things that i'm really interested in rather than having to spend my time figuring out the algorithms for. Yeah, Why, people like what they like. Yeah, it's mad.
00:06:48.180 --> 00:06:51.469 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: It's such a part of our world how to navigate that. But
00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:58.210 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: so I uh i'd like to talk about right before we um
00:06:58.730 --> 00:07:18.640 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: jumped into this conversation. I pulled a tarot card and a room, and for my listeners i'm sure you all know what taro is, but you may not know rooms, and there. It's a divination tool that has a long history dating back to uh Germanic and Nordic tribes.
00:07:18.690 --> 00:07:25.309 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I by no stretch of the imagination, and uh, an aficionado of, or
00:07:25.580 --> 00:07:35.719 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: um somebody who knows tarot or rooms deeply. I haven't studied them, but I certainly pull them off and go with my intuition,
00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:38.340 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and I pulled
00:07:38.610 --> 00:07:40.330 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: ace of rods,
00:07:41.250 --> 00:07:45.229 which is also as of wands for those of you listening in,
00:07:45.670 --> 00:07:47.979 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and the room that I pulled
00:07:48.140 --> 00:07:49.030 let's
00:07:49.220 --> 00:07:54.490 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: in goose. You can't really see it with these green screens.
00:07:54.950 --> 00:08:08.450 Amanda Yates Garcia: It looks kind of like the drawing of a like a taffy with a rapper on it. It's a diamond, and then it has a little V hat and a little. These skirts
00:08:08.540 --> 00:08:09.920 lovely.
00:08:10.470 --> 00:08:14.629 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: That's yes, like a little half-week twist Yeah, it's lovely.
00:08:15.460 --> 00:08:23.350 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, and the word that came up with both of them. I'm going to let you wax on them. But the word that came up that I really clued in on was fertility,
00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:37.540 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and how that is. So apropos to one of the things I want to talk about with you with rich graft and something that's very alive in my life, and that's Cron Hood and the beauty of
00:08:37.620 --> 00:08:43.649 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the chucks to position the edge of every dayness of fertility
00:08:43.950 --> 00:08:46.410 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: in alignment with Cron Hood,
00:08:46.970 --> 00:08:55.030 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and I just love that image of you know we're always birthing it's not just mothers. It's we're always birthing,
00:08:55.200 --> 00:09:01.889 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So can you speak on to on that in terms of your knowledge, and how that might
00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:06.090 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: reflect what's going on in your life or in the world right now.
00:09:07.350 --> 00:09:26.999 Amanda Yates Garcia: Yes, Well, anytime that you pull an ace in the tarot it. It's a big yes, you know It's the aces as is just a big Yes, to whatever is happening, or whatever your question was. And my question was, What do I need to know about my conversation with Amanda? It's Garcia.
00:09:27.010 --> 00:09:44.999 Amanda Yates Garcia: So there's some big guesses gonna happen in the but also um. So the aces also represent the distilled, or you might say that central oil, the central spirit of whichever suit you find them in. So
00:09:45.270 --> 00:10:00.209 Amanda Yates Garcia: the ace of ones is from the suits that represents fire. Ones are tools of transformation. So if you think of a one, and what it does, and how it functions for which is,
00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:30.199 Amanda Yates Garcia: you? Use your wand to point to something and say this out of all of the other things that are in this room or in my life. This is where I'm directing my energy. This is where I'm directing my attention, and then one's an agent of transformation. So you're pointing at whatever thing you're directing your energy towards and saying this I will to transform. And so fire is associated with will and passion and creativity, and that creative spark
00:10:30.210 --> 00:10:31.930 Amanda Yates Garcia: like an inspiration
00:10:32.130 --> 00:10:59.679 Amanda Yates Garcia: and the warmth uh and heat of action. It's a very active force, and, in fact, in uh in in witchcraft, it's called the upward force, because, as you'll notice, if you were look to look at a flame of a candle burning, or if you were to look at a fireplace, you'd see that the fire goes up and reaches upwards, and there's nothing that you have to do to make it do that right. It just has this active living upward nature.
00:10:59.780 --> 00:11:01.380 Amanda Yates Garcia: And so,
00:11:01.970 --> 00:11:13.479 Amanda Yates Garcia: when the ace of one's appears, you're getting a big yes to creativity, a big yes, to inspiration. You're getting that energy of the suit itself,
00:11:13.490 --> 00:11:25.050 Amanda Yates Garcia: and fire is about transformation. Fire transforms. If we apply fire to water, it transforms it to air, You know, if we tramp, if we
00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:36.740 Amanda Yates Garcia: apply fire to. I used to transform it to water. So the the heat of fire is what it, what makes it an agent of transformation. And so,
00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:54.119 Amanda Yates Garcia: and also, of course, the the ones also relate very much to eroticism and sexuality. And um eros desire um, and of course in goes, which is the room that you pulled, which has that
00:11:54.420 --> 00:11:58.049 Amanda Yates Garcia: shape of a of a diamonds, is
00:11:58.060 --> 00:12:22.989 Amanda Yates Garcia: corresponds in in many ways to birth. It's a passageway. It's uh it, the con to it. It's a whole that something comes through. So it is very imaginable, i'd say, and usually which is, use that run as a kind of punctuation mark at the end of a spell to say yes. And now we're birming this into the world.
00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:32.729 Amanda Yates Garcia: And so when you get something like as phallic as the ace of one, which is, you know, like a flaming phallus, that showing up
00:12:32.740 --> 00:12:53.369 Amanda Yates Garcia: and you get the Inga's room, which is that birth canal, we definitely do have a very generative principle that's coming forward, something that's suggesting. There's a spark of life here. There's power here, and it will come forth out into the world. So listeners look out because something is being born right now into your very ears.
00:12:53.790 --> 00:13:13.160 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Oh, yeah, Well, and I think you know in terms of what we're bursting on the earth right now, and the need for witches, and the need for which craft and our understanding, our deeper understanding of what that is with,
00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.700 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you know. I certainly don't want to say
00:13:18.040 --> 00:13:32.410 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I'm not really into the rise of the feminine and and the the masculine. I think we are moving into this much more fluid understanding of all of the embrace of all of that, but in terms of the power
00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:41.770 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: that women are stepping into in the times that we are in and watching, and you must see it in the resurgence of witchcraft and
00:13:42.040 --> 00:13:46.659 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and and and the words that you used will power,
00:13:47.470 --> 00:13:51.390 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and how that relates to our understanding
00:13:51.490 --> 00:14:04.110 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: of witchcraft. And when I think of, you know magic and witchcraft, I think a lot of people misunderstand it as manipulative and and full of willpower, when, indeed,
00:14:05.050 --> 00:14:09.019 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: that that's not the nature of it. But
00:14:09.170 --> 00:14:11.300 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: we're going to take our break,
00:14:11.670 --> 00:14:27.130 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and when we come back we're going to address all of those things. What is the nature of witchcraft? What is the nature of magic? What is the nature of enchantment? And it's in our need for it in the world Today,
00:14:27.140 --> 00:14:33.109 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: when we come back with Amanda Yates Garcia on the edge of every day. Stay tuned.
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00:16:43.920 --> 00:16:49.949 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: On the end of every day, and we are back with Amanda Yates Garcia,
00:16:49.970 --> 00:16:54.890 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and we're going to pick it up with. So what is witchcraft?
00:16:54.920 --> 00:16:59.090 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: What is magic? What is enchantment?
00:17:00.040 --> 00:17:05.879 Amanda Yates Garcia: Yeah, where these are all these that questions. Yeah. Um.
00:17:07.230 --> 00:17:24.610 Amanda Yates Garcia: On a basic level, Witchcraft is the art of changing consciousness at will. That's a a quote from the on Fortune. Who's one of the grandmothers of witchcraft. Uh as transmitted through Starhawk, another
00:17:24.619 --> 00:17:27.789 Amanda Yates Garcia: founding grandmother of the craft
00:17:27.910 --> 00:17:29.820 Amanda Yates Garcia: Um. And
00:17:30.270 --> 00:17:37.429 Amanda Yates Garcia: on the surface that seems like something that might be fairly obvious. What does it mean? You know we know what it means to change consciousness,
00:17:37.510 --> 00:17:51.809 Amanda Yates Garcia: but in fact, it's actually quite difficult to do that. And so the tools of witchcraft are used in order to help us do that. But I want to explain a little bit more about what I mean by that
00:17:53.520 --> 00:18:11.050 Amanda Yates Garcia: to change consciousness that will first. You have to recognize where your consciousness is, and most of us have trouble even with that. So it means recognizing what you're thinking about how you're observing the world, how you're relating to the world.
00:18:11.790 --> 00:18:13.150 Amanda Yates Garcia: And
00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:31.949 Amanda Yates Garcia: you know, in other spiritual traditions, for instance, Buddhism, you might meditate in order to become aware of how you are relating to the world, or how you're seeing the world, how you're thinking about it, because otherwise you just do it. You're on automatic pilot. You're not really recognizing
00:18:31.980 --> 00:18:48.859 Amanda Yates Garcia: that you have a choice that you have agent. Yeah. So you're you're just experiencing. Let's say if you're experiencing depression, or you're experiencing anxiety, or you're experiencing um, ambition or desire whatever it is that you're experiencing
00:18:48.960 --> 00:19:01.010 Amanda Yates Garcia: you. We normally we experience it, and then we go with it. It's like we get on the my motorcycle, and it drives us all around, and we just do what it says. We do what our first inclination tells us to do.
00:19:01.780 --> 00:19:29.090 Amanda Yates Garcia: The problem with that is that our first inclination is usually not what we innately would will to do, but we are being brainwashed and urged to make our decisions based on what our culture, our our family of origin, our culture, the patriarchal culture, colonialist culture, what it premises, culture, all of these things, what that culture urges us to do, because it has been
00:19:29.230 --> 00:19:37.809 Amanda Yates Garcia: essentially brainwashing us since we were children, and before we even went to school were affected by our parents, and how they have been
00:19:38.060 --> 00:19:39.380 Amanda Yates Garcia: um
00:19:39.560 --> 00:19:46.810 Amanda Yates Garcia: rooted in this culture, and we're rooted in our family culture, which, of course, as we know as feminist, you know the personal is political.
00:19:46.860 --> 00:20:02.480 Amanda Yates Garcia: So if we just do what our first inclination is to do, and we don't question it, then we, the tide of catalyst colonialism pulls us out, and we are lost in that.
00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:18.950 Amanda Yates Garcia: So essentially witchcraft is a series of tools that you might use in order to find your agency to find your power to find your own personal and authentic will. That is an alignment with the collective Whoa! So
00:20:18.980 --> 00:20:36.679 Amanda Yates Garcia: the at the anime Monday, the spirit of the world right? So so our will, our true will, our our true nature, is um often precluded or made invisible by uh the the dominant culture in which we live.
00:20:36.690 --> 00:20:57.419 Amanda Yates Garcia: And so the techniques of witchcraft help us remember who we actually are. Then, once we recognize, like, Oh, for instance, I feel like i'm not good enough. Let's say we're having that thought. There's something wrong with me. There's something wrong with the way I look. There's something wrong with my job. There's something wrong with what I have. There's something wrong with my relationship,
00:20:58.320 --> 00:21:16.349 Amanda Yates Garcia: and we're just in that place. Then the first thing we want to do is recognize. Do I like to be here? Is this where I want to be? And if not, how do I transform my state into something
00:21:16.360 --> 00:21:21.530 Amanda Yates Garcia: uh more beautiful, more pleasurable to me, something that inspires me.
00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:27.160 Amanda Yates Garcia: And the way that this works is according to field theory,
00:21:27.230 --> 00:21:42.049 Amanda Yates Garcia: so it's not causal right. It's not like you wave your magic wand, and it causes directly like new tone. And on Newtonian level it's not focused. Focus.
00:21:42.330 --> 00:21:45.729 Amanda Yates Garcia: Yeah. Instead, it changes the field of
00:21:45.810 --> 00:22:04.620 Amanda Yates Garcia: the energy around you. It changes the way that you interact with the world around you. It changes you from the inside, and therefore, because We're all connected to everything. It changes everything around you. So it sort of ripples out into the world around you. And
00:22:04.630 --> 00:22:13.440 Amanda Yates Garcia: as which is also so that's one aspect of witchcraft that's about the practice of witchcraft, but it's about as far as the philosophy of witchcraft is concerned.
00:22:16.100 --> 00:22:27.369 Amanda Yates Garcia: I believe that witchcraft is in the is the emergence spirituality of the animal Monday, or the the the spirit of the world.
00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:29.660 Amanda Yates Garcia: And so that spirit
00:22:31.700 --> 00:22:49.989 Amanda Yates Garcia: is trying to communicate with us, and we as humans um have a gift for being able to, you know, work creatively, to build tools, to um, to deliberately and intentionally change our environment,
00:22:50.000 --> 00:23:07.090 Amanda Yates Garcia: and that can be used for for good or for ill, and I feel like the spirit of the world. Uh is taught us witchcraft in order to help us remember um what she they will for us,
00:23:07.100 --> 00:23:11.690 Amanda Yates Garcia: and so that we can listen to that will, and then um
00:23:12.120 --> 00:23:14.479 Amanda Yates Garcia: perform it, do it, execute it.
00:23:14.540 --> 00:23:21.520 Amanda Yates Garcia: So those are really the two levels of witchcraft. But I also want to say, You know, witchcraft is an anarchic tradition.
00:23:21.760 --> 00:23:51.189 Amanda Yates Garcia: It's a folk Tradition is not rooted in a specific book, or it doesn't Have you know the head person like a Pope? It's it doesn't have anybody who can really tell you you are doing it right, or you're doing it wrong. And therefore, you know I don't have the final word which craft is. I can only really speak to what it is for me, and and how I engage with it, and what works for me. But I can't really say what it is for other people, and nor can anybody else if you're out there listening.
00:23:51.370 --> 00:24:04.310 Amanda Yates Garcia: Two other which is and what they say, and they're telling you that you're doing it wrong. Um, nobody can tell you that nobody can tell you that you are which, except you, you are the one who makes you a witch absolutely. Well, and I I
00:24:04.320 --> 00:24:14.520 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I teach this. I I model this hopefully. I speak about it here the sense of non-hierarchical relationship to spirit.
00:24:14.530 --> 00:24:27.440 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I mean that's. Why, I would call myself a mystic, and you know I love to sort of fool around with I mean, this is potentially the witch and me um fool around. And and when I was first in seminary talking about.
00:24:27.450 --> 00:24:36.500 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yeah, I'm going to seminary, and people would just kind of look at me and be, you know, can this does not compute. And
00:24:36.610 --> 00:24:38.570 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the notion that
00:24:38.990 --> 00:24:56.320 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: yeah, that's because i'm not trying to be any one of authority within my spiritual quest. I'm simply fascinated by the spiritual quest in general, and I want to explore all of the ways. People expand themselves,
00:24:56.560 --> 00:25:02.809 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: witchcraft being one of them, and and helping people to understand what it is, and to
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:09.239 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you know, demystify it. I think a lot of my listeners probably
00:25:09.260 --> 00:25:19.099 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: believe it. Understand that it's a connection to um to nature, et cetera. You know, understand that it's part of my belief system effect. I did a
00:25:19.250 --> 00:25:25.570 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: an entire show on on on the archetype of the Witch on Halloween. But
00:25:26.390 --> 00:25:29.020 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: But yeah, this the sense of
00:25:29.760 --> 00:25:34.370 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: agency always agency and so,
00:25:34.930 --> 00:25:38.479 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and re-enchantment being the,
00:25:38.820 --> 00:25:48.379 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: as I understand it, you know the understanding that all things, all of life is sacred. But this notion of doing all of the internal work,
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:59.700 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and then bringing it out into the world in action and physical action is, you know is that how you would define enchantment?
00:26:01.060 --> 00:26:02.630 Amanda Yates Garcia: So
00:26:02.710 --> 00:26:17.930 Amanda Yates Garcia: when we speak to the word enchantment on a basic level, enchantment is the property of making making something sacred. So to enchant something is to chant over it, for instance,
00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:34.599 Amanda Yates Garcia: is to to to in view it with sacred properties; but that chancing over is actually a way of simply recognizing that it already is that we sacred world.
00:26:34.610 --> 00:26:45.429 Amanda Yates Garcia: But it's through our rituals of enchantment that we make the world sacred. In other words that we come to understand. It is sacred. Enchantment and magic
00:26:45.770 --> 00:27:04.270 Amanda Yates Garcia: are all about relationship and honoring the web of relationships and the connectedness between our life. So that's one layer of enchantment. But the way that a lot of people are using the phrase today comes from the cultural critic. Hmm.
00:27:04.760 --> 00:27:24.709 Amanda Yates Garcia: And feminist Uh Sylvia Federici in her book Caliban, and the which which is speaking to the beginning of capitalism, and the persecution of which is during the inquisitions and the idea of enchantments in that regard is
00:27:25.550 --> 00:27:28.099 Amanda Yates Garcia: based on the idea that
00:27:29.830 --> 00:27:37.429 Amanda Yates Garcia: the world has become disenchanted through capitalism. In other words, capitalism renders everything
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:59.739 Amanda Yates Garcia: on sacred. It breaks the connections it breaks, the relationships that we have with our land of origin, with our family, of origin, with other people, in our culture, between generations, in our culture between us and the quote unquote natural world. It severs those connections, and then sells them back to us
00:27:59.750 --> 00:28:08.100 Amanda Yates Garcia: because we are then isolated alone, afraid, because all of our connections have been settled, and humans are uh
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:20.849 Amanda Yates Garcia: animals of relationship. And so also through that severing of connection, it makes it so that the world around us is not sacred.
00:28:20.860 --> 00:28:30.770 Amanda Yates Garcia: Right? A tree is not alive. It does not have a consciousness. It is only valuable as a means to a access capital
00:28:30.780 --> 00:28:41.400 Amanda Yates Garcia: we can liquidate, quote, unquote the value of that tree, so we cut it down. We turn it into. I don't know, like a cheap Ikea bookshel for whatever,
00:28:41.650 --> 00:28:53.650 Amanda Yates Garcia: and then we have transform that treat to something that is completely value less because it's just standing there, doing nothing into capital. And that is the process of disenchantment.
00:28:53.660 --> 00:29:13.849 Amanda Yates Garcia: But, as I was saying before, if we don't do the work of enchantment, then we are sucked out with the types of disenchantment. So because everything in our culture is pushing us and propelling us towards this feeling of disenchantment, this feeling of alienation,
00:29:13.860 --> 00:29:27.379 Amanda Yates Garcia: this um disconnectedness from each other from the world around us, then we have to have practices that reconnect us. Because if we don't have those practices, how are we going to do that work
00:29:27.390 --> 00:29:44.119 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: we we we won't be able to, and it it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to practice witchcraft, and that's the only way to do it. But it is one effective way, indeed, and we're going to talk about those practices in particular, in particular ritual.
00:29:44.290 --> 00:29:50.340 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: When we come back on the edge of every day with Amanda Yates. Garcia. Stay tuned.
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00:31:47.740 --> 00:31:59.809 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: on the end of every day, and we are back with Amanda Yates Garcia. I, before we dive into those practices. I want to talk about how the witch as
00:32:00.070 --> 00:32:13.469 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: is, and as an edge walker, the the which, as is we spoke about, I said in my Halloween episode, the which is the veil between
00:32:14.910 --> 00:32:32.650 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: between the other world and the underworld. Between the light and the dark she's the fence rider, the veil, speak to me about the the comfort of a which within these liminal spaces, this dance between polarities,
00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:38.699 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you will speak to me about your understanding of that and teachings of that.
00:32:40.130 --> 00:32:42.090 Amanda Yates Garcia: Yeah. So
00:32:42.710 --> 00:32:46.920 Amanda Yates Garcia: traditionally, which is lived
00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:50.209 Amanda Yates Garcia: on the outskirts of town,
00:32:50.390 --> 00:32:52.370 Amanda Yates Garcia: and
00:32:52.740 --> 00:32:56.940 Amanda Yates Garcia: you know, as medicine people. They were
00:32:57.370 --> 00:33:08.970 Amanda Yates Garcia: in charge of mediating between the realms of civilization or the realms of the people,
00:33:09.030 --> 00:33:18.859 Amanda Yates Garcia: and the unseen realms which would be the realms of the ancestors or the realms of the imagination. The realms of the woods and the the dark,
00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:23.609 Amanda Yates Garcia: and the hedge also. Uh,
00:33:24.760 --> 00:33:31.539 Amanda Yates Garcia: is built into the history of witchcraft, in the sense that
00:33:31.600 --> 00:33:33.950 Amanda Yates Garcia: when which is where
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:42.600 Amanda Yates Garcia: persecuted in the medieval period, or you know the transition into modernity.
00:33:42.780 --> 00:33:54.449 Amanda Yates Garcia: Um. The reason for that was because of the enclosures of the land that had been held in common by the public
00:33:54.460 --> 00:34:12.209 Amanda Yates Garcia: and the land, owning classes, and close that land, and essentially forbid it the general public from grazing their animals there, or being able to plant crops there, which meant that they starved unless they worked for these landlords essentially,
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:17.839 Amanda Yates Garcia: and many of the witches who were accused of witchcraft were
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:33.999 Amanda Yates Garcia: older women, who, a lost access to their livelihoods right. They couldn't graze sheep on collective land any longer, and they couldn't uh
00:34:34.870 --> 00:34:40.599 Amanda Yates Garcia: be hired by the Lords to do like farm labor, because they were elderly,
00:34:40.940 --> 00:34:48.609 Amanda Yates Garcia: so they would be, you know, often become beggars; and um.
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:55.229 Amanda Yates Garcia: Then, if people denied them their requests for milk or meat or bread,
00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:08.320 Amanda Yates Garcia: they would then accuse these women of casting spells on them, for instance, making their babies sick, or making the cows die, or making the milk hurdle.
00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:12.790 Amanda Yates Garcia: But essentially that was a misplaced guilt
00:35:13.210 --> 00:35:16.740 Amanda Yates Garcia: over this shift within the culture,
00:35:16.810 --> 00:35:19.989 Amanda Yates Garcia: and also the older women, the elderly women.
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:39.009 Amanda Yates Garcia: We're the ones who remembered the old ways, and that there was a collectivity beforehand. And of course, you know, if any executive goes into a new company they want to like, Get get rid of the Old Guard get rid of the people who knew the culture before. Right, you kind of fire everyone, and then bring in new people.
00:35:39.020 --> 00:35:55.890 Amanda Yates Garcia: So there's that political aspect to the edge, walking in the sense that they literally were outside of the heads Right they. They were outside of boundaries, they they were on the other side of the boundary exactly, but also
00:35:55.900 --> 00:36:13.450 Amanda Yates Garcia: they were the ones who could travel in trance to the realms of the other world. Uh, which is where we encounter the ancestral beings, the ferry beings elemental beings. Um, which is essentially about a shift in consciousness.
00:36:13.460 --> 00:36:25.910 Amanda Yates Garcia: So you know, which is our shape shifters. They can travel those crows. They can travel as wolves, but what that really means is that they are able to shift their consciousness into
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:37.750 Amanda Yates Garcia: the bodies of other beings, and they can understand the world and see the world from the perspective of plants of animals. A wind,
00:36:37.790 --> 00:36:38.979 Amanda Yates Garcia: and
00:36:39.520 --> 00:36:55.000 Amanda Yates Garcia: oh! And that skill is extremely important if we hope to be able to survive the imminent ecological collapse that we're all experiencing to be able to
00:36:55.550 --> 00:37:06.409 Amanda Yates Garcia: shift your mind so that you're not isolated and cut off, but that you are someone who can walk between worlds and recognizes the plurality of being
00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:09.359 Amanda Yates Garcia: um. A lot of people think
00:37:09.500 --> 00:37:17.029 Amanda Yates Garcia: if they don't know which craft very well, or if they haven't been exposed to this kind of thinking, that it is in
00:37:17.590 --> 00:37:31.800 Amanda Yates Garcia: that it is ridiculous. You know this idea, that a which might be able to travel between the worlds, or to travel in the mind of a raven or something like that would seem like absolute fantasy and fairy tale.
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:40.140 Amanda Yates Garcia: It's a completely different way of viewing the world, though, and our world today is
00:37:40.200 --> 00:37:47.130 Amanda Yates Garcia: straight jacketed into the specific ontology, which means a way of seeing reality
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:52.470 Amanda Yates Garcia: that is absolutely limited to this
00:37:52.500 --> 00:38:05.650 Amanda Yates Garcia: scientific, rational, measurable, essentially white supremacist perspective, which says there is only one reality, and it just happens to be the reality that
00:38:05.660 --> 00:38:22.210 Amanda Yates Garcia: it's why I'm planning powerful men. Exactly. It just happens to be mine. Yeah, So it happens to be the status quo. Yeah, it just happens to be the one that you know the people who have all the kinds of money you think right?
00:38:22.350 --> 00:38:37.420 Amanda Yates Garcia: So yeah, So the tools of witchcraft are ones that help us. Um travel between the world and uh move into the realms of the dark of the unseen, of the imaginal worlds.
00:38:37.430 --> 00:38:44.149 Amanda Yates Garcia: Um, which are not measurable, and are not documentable,
00:38:44.210 --> 00:39:03.610 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and cannot be recorded and replicated in, you know, blind studies. Yes, indeed! Well, I would think some people in in today's world are kind of seeing that that they're getting on board with, you know, quantum physics and such that that there's so much that we don't know about the mind.
00:39:03.620 --> 00:39:05.100 Um that.
00:39:05.190 --> 00:39:07.070 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yes, you can
00:39:07.980 --> 00:39:11.300 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: shapeshift. And yes, it is possible, you know.
00:39:11.550 --> 00:39:18.389 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: But you know we're not going to go down the scientific rat hole right now, because I want to get to ritual with you
00:39:18.990 --> 00:39:24.340 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: as per usual. There's always a million questions and a million things that I want to talk about. But
00:39:24.470 --> 00:39:29.330 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: but I I must move us towards ritual, and I
00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:32.329 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I as a tool
00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:53.400 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: uh for the you know, like Edge, walking like the dance of polarities, the liminal spaces that's what ritual is, and that as a tool for witchcraft for anyone who engages myself, Anyone who engages in ritual. The the power of the transformative power
00:39:53.410 --> 00:39:58.970 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: of ritual speak to us from the witch's standpoint about ritual?
00:40:00.520 --> 00:40:09.469 Amanda Yates Garcia: Yeah. So what ritual does is it signals that we're moving into a different reality.
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:27.890 Amanda Yates Garcia: Yes, because ritual is different than the things that we're just ordinarily doing so, you know. Normally we're, you know, walking to the cafe to get a copy or we're sitting down. We're answering our emails. Or you know, we kind of blindly go through the day sort of on road,
00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:43.509 Amanda Yates Garcia: but ritual signals to our unconscious minds. To our muse mind our child mind, or you know our dreaming mind that we're shifting into a different state of consciousness. So, for instance, when you
00:40:43.560 --> 00:40:51.910 Amanda Yates Garcia: walk um with the you know with you when you walk Dsl. Which is with the direction of the sun
00:40:52.000 --> 00:41:09.330 Amanda Yates Garcia: in in a circle three times, ringing a bell and saying the names of um. Let's say all your ancestors that you remember all the um plants or trees in your neighborhood, or you call in the elements of the fires and the air and earth and water,
00:41:09.620 --> 00:41:10.849 Amanda Yates Garcia: and then
00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:39.249 Amanda Yates Garcia: that is different. That is not something you do all the time. So not only are you, uh sort of acting out and signaling to your consciousness that something different is happening now, but you're also doing it physically and actually creating that space. So you walk in that circle, and then that circle is create. It's through doing that, and that circle becomes a port hole where you can connect and communicate with
00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:43.490 Amanda Yates Garcia: unseen realms, and you can enter the realm of the imagination.
00:41:43.560 --> 00:41:54.580 Amanda Yates Garcia: And you know the imagination is the portal to the spirit world. So we have to do these imaginal acts in order to enter into the spirit world,
00:41:54.700 --> 00:42:00.820 Amanda Yates Garcia: so you can take any object and transform it into uh
00:42:01.240 --> 00:42:19.119 Amanda Yates Garcia: magical tool. Essentially, by using your imagination in a way that you relate to and interact with this object, so that the object, because you're relating to it becomes subject becomes living. And it's then, through that living awakening that the object
00:42:19.550 --> 00:42:35.080 Amanda Yates Garcia: hmm moves through, transmute into that we awaken within us this sense of interconnectedness and ability to uh, communicate with the world and transform the world around us. So
00:42:35.090 --> 00:42:46.750 Amanda Yates Garcia: rituals are going to involve usually things like casting a circle, calling in spirit Allies um, offering
00:42:47.430 --> 00:43:06.540 Amanda Yates Garcia: signs of gratitude or giving offerings, uh stating our intentions, doing a ritual act, whatever it is that you decide that might be, uh whether it's candle, magic carving words into a candle, or, you know, sprinkling a pop it with salts or whatever it is that you want to do.
00:43:06.550 --> 00:43:19.359 Amanda Yates Garcia: And then uh thinking the spirits again, and then closing the circle is usually like what a basic spell or ritual would entail. I mean, there's many ways to do this, and this is um just one of them.
00:43:20.230 --> 00:43:35.360 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I love it. Well, we have to go to a break soon. Um, but I do want to touch upon the Certainly. Your book initiated Memoir of A, which Um,
00:43:35.810 --> 00:43:45.940 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: which we will include places where you can get this book in the show notes. I've finished it, and it was. I devoured it absolutely, devoured it and and loved it.
00:43:46.560 --> 00:43:52.600 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: But I want to touch on the the edge between performance art and ritual,
00:43:53.190 --> 00:44:10.520 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and we're going to be going into our last quarter, so I We can't spend too too too much time on it. But I do want to touch on that, because it's so. A a a favorite edge of mine Um! And I also, when we come back, want to um
00:44:10.870 --> 00:44:22.560 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to share where people can find you and what your leading edge is these days when we come back with Amanda Yates Garcia on the edge of every day. Stay tuned
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00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.870 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: we are back with Amanda Gates Garcia. So
00:46:31.650 --> 00:46:38.390 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: oh! The reclamation of ritual and the need for it in today's world,
00:46:38.870 --> 00:46:46.140 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: as we are being called forward all of it, and earth, Mother Earth is calling to us in the spirit
00:46:46.390 --> 00:46:48.719 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: of the world, is calling to us
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:55.210 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: one of the ways in which I have done, that is, to blur the edges of ritual and theater
00:46:55.470 --> 00:47:03.170 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: in my show the edge of every day, which was a solo show before it was this podcast, and weaving in
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:07.210 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: spiritual concepts with music, which is
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:12.169 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the song that you're hearing when we enter into our conversation, and
00:47:12.660 --> 00:47:15.629 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: but the whole notion of combining. You know,
00:47:16.190 --> 00:47:20.610 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: ritual is in theater, but theater is ritual
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:25.280 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: mentality. Um. And
00:47:25.620 --> 00:47:32.829 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: so and I know that you've combined with, and you've had a an interesting reaction
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:40.350 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: your oracle of Los Angeles? Did you set out to make make that
00:47:40.560 --> 00:47:53.659 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: more as a performance art? Or were you genuinely trying to educate on ritual, et cetera. What was the the intention of that? And then what? What? What? What did that turn into?
00:47:57.260 --> 00:47:58.430 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Can't hear you?
00:47:59.200 --> 00:48:14.300 Amanda Yates Garcia: Um, Yeah. Initially, yes, uh, because they came from a background in the arts. I started doing public rituals as an artist, but
00:48:14.450 --> 00:48:29.069 Amanda Yates Garcia: my work and my understanding of what i'm doing has changed many. It has changed radically in my, you know, decade or more, fifteen years or so of doing this work. Probably.
00:48:29.130 --> 00:48:33.270 Amanda Yates Garcia: So now I come to understand it this way.
00:48:33.950 --> 00:48:38.519 Amanda Yates Garcia: Ritual, witchcraft, spell work.
00:48:39.010 --> 00:48:52.680 Amanda Yates Garcia: There is no witness. There is no spectator. Everyone is a part of this right. It's not. It's not something that we engage that we look at that we spectate on as an audience um from
00:48:52.710 --> 00:48:59.040 Amanda Yates Garcia: uh a position of aesthetic distance. So when we go to a performance, for instance,
00:48:59.530 --> 00:49:18.430 Amanda Yates Garcia: at a theater, you know the lights go low and they go dim, which is in itself a ritual, and maybe the curtain opens, and then, when we're spectating on something that is happening on this stage, and there is, you know, the fourth wall right between us and the view between the performer and can be broken, too. Yeah,
00:49:18.460 --> 00:49:22.799 Amanda Yates Garcia: yeah, sure you can. You can break it. But the
00:49:22.810 --> 00:49:39.609 Amanda Yates Garcia: But the thing is with ritual. You're always breaking it. I think if you're doing it successfully. Other people might argue with me about that, because I know a lot of which is who do ritual as performance, and it is still a sort of um
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:49.240 Amanda Yates Garcia: the spectatorial practice, I guess you might. Yeah, but for me no, I think that that ritual is
00:49:50.070 --> 00:49:59.340 Amanda Yates Garcia: is an act of transformation, and you will be transformed if you participate in it, and you must participate in it. If you are there, you will participate
00:49:59.720 --> 00:50:16.700 Amanda Yates Garcia: because you necessary, because everything in the proximity does so, even if you resist it, there is a a sense of participation. So Don't go to a rich which is ritual. If you don't want to participate.
00:50:16.740 --> 00:50:24.269 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: If you don't want to be transformed, Don't get well. I a good rule of thumb. Don't go to a ritual period,
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:53.529 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and that brings, of course, up in tension, and we just don't. Unfortunately don't have time. I'm going to. I want you back on the show where we can dive way deeper into all of this stuff. But, anyway, so what what are some of the older generation thinking about the the newer generations coming up? How witchcraft is evolving. We don't have again a ton of time left. But I do want to touch on that.
00:50:53.540 --> 00:51:02.089 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: How are the older generations even thinking about ritual and the edge of performance, and how witchcraft is evolving.
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:14.629 Amanda Yates Garcia: Well, I think one of the ways that which is craft is evolving is through the youth of today have a really different understanding of,
00:51:14.780 --> 00:51:23.239 Amanda Yates Garcia: for instance, gender inclusivity. Um, intersectionality and uh cultural appropriation.
00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:36.540 Amanda Yates Garcia: You know their awareness of those kinds of things is much stronger, and they are doing a lot of work to um democratize and make uh,
00:51:39.030 --> 00:51:55.779 Amanda Yates Garcia: and to to reclaim space. For you know, difference in a way that I feel like, you know. For instance, my mother's generation, which was part of the rebirth of of witchcraft in the seventies. Um, my mother is a which it really comes out of,
00:51:55.790 --> 00:52:12.690 Amanda Yates Garcia: uh, you know. Second way, Feminism and women's consciousness raising circles and stuff of the seventies which we're doing really important work. But I think that the understanding of gender was um, perhaps necessarily so. Um, given. The context
00:52:12.700 --> 00:52:21.660 Amanda Yates Garcia: was quite reductive by today's standards in the sense of like, we have an essential idea of what a woman is and what a man is, and you know
00:52:21.940 --> 00:52:36.049 Amanda Yates Garcia: um! Those those circles, I think, were important for people at the time, but they also didn't allow for different understandings of gender. And uh also had a lot of cultural appropriation problems, I think, because witchcraft
00:52:36.060 --> 00:52:43.459 Amanda Yates Garcia: um is to a large degree, a reconstruction is practice, and so we're often taking from um
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:48.459 Amanda Yates Garcia: many different traditions. But my practice now is to
00:52:48.590 --> 00:52:56.300 Amanda Yates Garcia: to draw from the traditions of my people of my genetic lineage. Um,
00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:08.580 Amanda Yates Garcia: yeah. So I think that those are some major ways. I also think, uh, you know, there wasn't the Internet when I was really starting, or when my mother was doing this work.
00:53:08.590 --> 00:53:19.349 Amanda Yates Garcia: You know you couldn't. There was no witch talk, You know. There was no blog post telling him about the world's podcast. There was no between the world's podcast, so
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:38.129 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: um, I think it was much harder for people to access in a way, and absolutely. But there's also the the power that you stepping out in the way that you're stepping out. Yeah, I mean, it's It's kind which came first the chicken or the egg, in terms of you know the the fact that you call yourself a professional witch.
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:58.019 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: It's fantastic. I mean, that's like a political statement for relative and and like jamming, and you know and I there were a handful, you know. Listen! I was not a part of that second wave. I was a little too young, but you know, just on the tales of it. But yeah, no, I didn't um.
00:53:59.550 --> 00:54:04.749 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: But yeah, no, you absolutely. The the web has inter it. It's really
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:06.879 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: given platform
00:54:07.730 --> 00:54:10.129 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to all of this new understanding.
00:54:11.160 --> 00:54:20.140 Amanda Yates Garcia: Absolutely it has, and it's a lot for people to see that There are many ways of doing this, and Um
00:54:20.150 --> 00:54:38.940 Amanda Yates Garcia: has really increased the visibility of which is, and I think, because it's allowed, which is to speak publicly for themselves when historically, most of the time when you're hearing about which is, it was from the mouth of their enemies, or from the mouth of the people who wanted to dismiss them.
00:54:38.950 --> 00:54:58.700 Amanda Yates Garcia: So maybe the religious right or um, you know anthropologists, or who are essentially saying that this is a a dead practice, or trying to disprove it in multiple ways, or um people who are making fun of it, or saying that that it wasn't real, but never actually hearing the witch's voice,
00:54:58.710 --> 00:55:00.750 Amanda Yates Garcia: her or themselves.
00:55:00.850 --> 00:55:09.280 Amanda Yates Garcia: So now you get to hear the which speak, and at least for in my case in my own voice, and
00:55:10.070 --> 00:55:22.110 Amanda Yates Garcia: I would imagine that it's not what people expect, because people have this idea of what a which is, but they don't actually know anything about what witchcraft is. So it's been my experience that,
00:55:22.650 --> 00:55:38.790 Amanda Yates Garcia: for instance, many a time when when i'm being interviewed by you know bigger publications like you know the New York Times, or whatever that people have this idea of what witchcraft is, and they they ask you questions about it in order to get you to
00:55:39.050 --> 00:55:49.160 Amanda Yates Garcia: conform to their own idea of what it already is, but they don't actually know anything about it. So they're asking you questions that are really unrelated to.
00:55:49.570 --> 00:56:04.480 Amanda Yates Garcia: So, because they said, they already know right. They're like Oh, they always say things like Oh, oh, you're which where's the word on your nose? How come? Your skin is not green because their understanding of what A which is drawn from you know the movies.
00:56:04.490 --> 00:56:23.160 Amanda Yates Garcia: Um. But witchcraft is so much more than that. And to me that's really a beautiful opportunity to be able to speak about it in our own voice, and have people understand and see it from our perspective.
00:56:23.520 --> 00:56:32.580 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I'm so grateful to be here. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a real pleasure. So let's Let's review for our listeners. We have
00:56:32.870 --> 00:56:35.979 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the oracle of Los Angeles. Com
00:56:36.290 --> 00:56:41.430 Amanda Yates Garcia: Yeah, Oracle of Los Angeles, dot Com. That's my website, and also find me
00:56:41.560 --> 00:56:48.049 Amanda Yates Garcia: at Amanda's Garcia on sub stack, or at oracle of La
00:56:48.060 --> 00:57:03.070 Amanda Yates Garcia: on Instagram. And uh, yeah, you can book a session with me if you'd like to go in deeper. You can also listen to my podcast between the World's Podcast, or by my book initiated memoir, which you can get that pretty much anywhere. Books are solved.
00:57:03.080 --> 00:57:08.230 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yeah, Amen. And I again, I I I just have to tell everyone you know.
00:57:08.550 --> 00:57:19.200 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I loved the the review where it said it was a cross between. I forget the other book, but with the re so Pinkola estes um women who run with the wolves which
00:57:19.250 --> 00:57:34.389 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I got at the age of thirty, and it became my Bible. It was ridiculous. I just it. It's more. It's really so good but that. But they said your book was a combination of that with something else that I did not know. But I thought
00:57:34.630 --> 00:57:51.089 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: how yummy and delicious, and indeed your book was. You may, and delicious, and your vulnerability, the power of your writing, and the weaving of mythology into the book A. A. Along with your experiences in the underworld and your initiations.
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:55.250 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: It was really quite a ride, and thank you for that.
00:57:55.460 --> 00:58:02.279 Amanda Yates Garcia: Oh, thank you. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. And um! It's real honored to know that it was in your hands.
00:58:02.420 --> 00:58:09.150 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, any any last A quick words of wisdom for our listeners, Amanda, before we say goodbye.
00:58:10.100 --> 00:58:25.429 Amanda Yates Garcia: Um! If this is sparked, anything in you, uh, there is a pathway for you, and if you are curious about witchcraft. Uh, you get to go at your own pace, and you get to decide what is right for you. And
00:58:25.650 --> 00:58:35.699 Amanda Yates Garcia: you know spirit has been calling you, and you can tune into your own heart, and it will direct you to the right answer.
00:58:36.190 --> 00:58:51.020 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: That's what this podcast is all about tonight. Well, Amanda, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being on the show and for sharing your wisdom and your insight and your magic.
00:58:51.520 --> 00:58:54.780 Amanda Yates Garcia: It's my great honor. Thank you so much for having me, Sandra,
00:58:55.180 --> 00:59:05.679 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and for those of you who are listening. Thank you so much for spending your time with us. Remember, you are always on the edge of the miraculous. See you next time.
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