WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
- Get to know your host, Sandra, as she leans in more deeply to The Edge of Everyday.
- Meet her Grammy Award Winning Guest - as she shares her latest music.
- Sandra shares about the history of Halloween, the archetype of the Witch, the Season of Letting Go and the power of ritual.
- Hear readings and stories that speak to the veil of this season being very thin... and how to celebrate your ancestors.
EPISODE SUMMARY:
What is Halloween based on? It's the Witches New Year, Samhain, the season of letting go and when the veil - the EDGE - between Worlds is thin, and the wisdom of the ancestors awaits. We will be LIVE in the Hive with a very special surprise guest, and we have readings, stories and rituals to share. I'm thrilled to continue exploring the Edge of Everyday with you!
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Sandra welcomes us to the 44th episode of the Edge of Everyday. Sandra talks about it being a year since her show started and gives thanks to everyone for supporting her and the show. To celebrate tonight, Sandra decides to share more about herself. Sandra talks about the show being about pushing boundaries and exploring our rough edges; those places where we are fearful and resistant to change. She mentions dressing up as a witch every year. Halloween is one of her favorite holidays, connecting to the energy and intention of this day. As an actor, she also has enjoyed it because of the costumes and role playing. It wasn't until in her late twenties that she got curious about the history of halloween. When she went into her interfaith seminary where she explored the spiritual tradition of Samhain and witchcraft. The word samhain means summer's end. Sandra goes into the history of halloween. Sandra also explains her journey into doing her show and how diverse her listeners and guests are. Some are spiritual, nature lovers or even non-believers. She welcomes any and everyone to join into the conversation that pushes us out of our comfort zones! She also re-shares more about herself such as her path into spirituality and her love of rituals. Sandra reads a piece of a book she is a contributing author of, entitled On the Shoulders of Mighty Women by Leslie Michaels.
Sandra mentions her favorite witch being Endora from Bewitched. She also says her favorite would be the witch from the musical Into The Woods by Stephen Sondheim. She talks about the archetype of witches of only being dark and lonely. She goes on to say that the “great feminine goddesses” throughout time were complex with qualities of both light and dark, talking about women challenging the status quo of women. She relates women being angry and righteously so, as witches. Sandra goes into the topic of unity and the protection of agency, resources and more for all beings. She mentions a book by a gifted author called Bee Time: Lessons From the Hive by Mark L. Winston. She discovered the attributes that make a witch; animism and activism. She also reads a piece from Women Who Run With The Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estés. Sandra explains that the word hag and the German word for witch, hex, both mean fence. Witches ride the fence and push the boundaries and balance the edges between the real and the other world.
Sandra welcomes her surprise guest, Leslie Ellis. Leslie is a Grammy award winning vocalist. She has sung with many artists throughout her career including Celine Dion on My Heart Will Go On from the movie Titanic. She also sang the original soundtrack song Six Times Around The Sun for the CBS miniseries Perfect Murder Perfect Town. She has also done voice over and has a successful career as well as a book narrator. She now tours with hit songwriter and husband, Casey Kelly. Sandra met Lelsie back at Carnegie Mellon University. Leslie mentions that her favorite witch is the character Grizabella from Cats, the character she plays in one of the broadway tours of the show. She says that the character in the show is a cast out, shamed, but special. She says that it was an intimate experience. Leslie says that looking back, as a child, she was Grizabella. Doing this role, it allowed her to be herself without being apologetic. Sandra talks about the season of letting go.
Sandra shares a song for us to listen to and watch on the youtube livestream by Leslie. This song was also played at the end of their ritual together. Lelsie talks about the ritual being about healing a part of her heart that she wasn't ready to deal with, something that the song is also about. They switch gears where Sandra talks about her reason for starting this show. One of the reasons was for needing an outlet and to step forward to share her voice in a different and bigger way. You can find Leslie at leslieellis.com, kellyandellis.com, and the same handles on social media. Before closing, Sandra does a prayer for the season.
00:00:05.220 --> 00:00:08.280 Welcome everyone. I'm Sandra Bardman.
00:00:08.290 --> 00:00:36.719 A few years ago I wrote and performed a solo show called the Edge of every day, which was an exploration of the rough edges and contradictions we all face and grapple everyone. The shows hit a nerve, and the relevance of the topic would only grow over time more than I could have foreseen. So here we are, real talk with real people, sharing stories and perspectives that spark provocative invitations to leap out of what's safe
00:00:36.730 --> 00:00:55.470 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: on the edge of every day. Thanks for listening. Hello, everyone. We are live in the hive. Thank you for joining me on this. The forty fourth episode of the edge of every day here on talk radio. Nyc:
00:00:55.480 --> 00:01:07.079 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Can you believe it? Forty- the powerful Master number And We've been exploring the edges of every day together for one full year,
00:01:07.220 --> 00:01:10.170 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Happy anniversary to the edge of every day,
00:01:10.690 --> 00:01:15.980 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and happy Halloween happy sowing happy, which is New Year,
00:01:16.300 --> 00:01:22.049 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: so much to celebrate this evening. And thank you.
00:01:22.310 --> 00:01:26.780 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Happy anniversary, to talk radio, Nyc
00:01:26.790 --> 00:01:42.729 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Mit.
00:01:42.960 --> 00:02:02.109 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And for those of you who have become loyal listeners. Thank you. Thank you so so much for spending time with me and my guests. The numbers are looking great, and they're growing, and I couldn't do it without you. So please continue to share this podcast with friends and family,
00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.439 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and take a moment to subscribe to my Youtube Page
00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.270 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Sander, bargeman, on the edge of every day,
00:02:10.110 --> 00:02:21.060 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and if you're tuning in for the first time, welcome tonight, We're doing things a little bit differently uh only fitting for an anniversary and for Halloween right?
00:02:21.320 --> 00:02:35.119 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I usually highlight my guests completely, but tonight to celebrate and recalibrate the show, I'll be sharing more about myself. So please ask questions in the chat, and i'll do my best to answer them.
00:02:35.640 --> 00:02:43.999 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Remember, I have a surprise guest coming up later in the show, and you Won't Want to miss this. So stay with me,
00:02:44.870 --> 00:03:03.239 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and of course I urge you to check out my past episodes with my inspiring guests. You can find them on talk radio, Nyc. On your favorite podcast platforms, and again on my Youtube Channel. That's Sandra Bgeman on the edge of every day
00:03:04.170 --> 00:03:21.700 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: one for those of you who are here for the first time. This show is about pushing boundaries and exploring rough edges through conversations and shared stories with friends and colleagues. It's my hope that we can begin to understand our edges. One
00:03:21.710 --> 00:03:28.350 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and what I mean by edges is those places where we are fearful,
00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:43.280 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: those places where we are resistant to change those places where paradoxes and contradictions live in our beliefs and understandings, both internally and collectively in the world around us.
00:03:44.110 --> 00:03:49.910 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Listen. We live in edgy, tumultuous times, and people are complex,
00:03:50.090 --> 00:04:02.340 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and the more we recognize our own edges and get real about them, the more we can help others to do the same, and that I fully believe and help to change the world.
00:04:02.450 --> 00:04:05.020 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So thanks again for tuning in
00:04:05.830 --> 00:04:14.370 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and again Happy Halloween. I hope you all had fun dressing up over the weekend and trick, or treating
00:04:14.880 --> 00:04:19.229 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: well. This year I saved my costuming for the actual day tonight, but
00:04:19.380 --> 00:04:37.780 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: last year my husband and I and my dear friends, who I lovingly call my adopted children. A shout out to Elizabeth and Jordan: We dressed up as the Rose family from Shit's Creek, and we were awesome particularly my husband as Johnny. We rocked it. We had a blast,
00:04:38.770 --> 00:04:55.830 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and tonight I am wearing a gorgeous hat created for me and my big head by Anne Henry Mung. Mode a shout out to you, and thank you again. You can find Anne and all of her glorious.
00:04:55.840 --> 00:05:05.980 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: The creations on Instagram at one crafty, which crochet again. That's at one craft, you which crochet, which, of course, will be in the show notes.
00:05:06.470 --> 00:05:17.889 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So actually, for the most part, I trust, like a witch every year. Um! So what did Lucy say in It's a great pumpkin, Charlie Brown.
00:05:18.690 --> 00:05:26.579 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: A person should always choose a costume which is in direct contrast to her own personality.
00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:32.910 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: In my case I would disagree. I'd say it's in direct alignment with my personality.
00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:39.340 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: All my life Halloween has been a favorite holiday
00:05:39.850 --> 00:05:58.720 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: mit ctl, and I've always connected to the energy and the intention of Halloween the connection with the other worlds, and the actor and me love the costumes and role play, and it wasn't until I was in my late twenties that I got curious about the true history of Halloween, one hundred and fifty,
00:05:58.900 --> 00:06:16.239 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and it wasn't until I went into interfaith seminary in two thousand and five, that I really explored the spiritual tradition of wicca and witchcraft, and I even attended holiday rituals with a New York city, Kevin,
00:06:16.730 --> 00:06:17.860 which was
00:06:18.180 --> 00:06:19.929 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: a great great
00:06:20.550 --> 00:06:23.390 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: exploration and learning.
00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:25.850 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So what is Halloween?
00:06:25.910 --> 00:06:29.820 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And more importantly, what is Halloween based upon
00:06:30.930 --> 00:06:50.730 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: the ancient Celts, which, of course, is my lineage, believed that the year was divided into two parts, the lighter half in the summer, and the darker half in the winter, and Halloween or Sowen, was the division between these halves,
00:06:50.740 --> 00:07:04.029 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: the end of the harvest, and the time when the veil between our world of the living, and that of the other world was at its thinnest, when the spirits of the dead could most readily mingle with a living. Once again.
00:07:04.280 --> 00:07:17.820 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Later, when the festival was co-opted by Christianity, it became All Hallows Eve, followed by all Saints day, and retained the elements of remembering and honoring the dead,
00:07:18.060 --> 00:07:27.059 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: also known as Hallow Mas, or the Witch's New Year, is always held on October The thirty first
00:07:27.620 --> 00:07:42.880 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: ancient Celts marked sowen, the word meaning summers end, as the most significant of the four quarterly fire festivals taking place at the midpoint between the fall equinox and the winter solstice.
00:07:42.980 --> 00:07:51.819 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So, in honor of Halloween and Salin in the Witch's New Year, and for my love of ritual I offer this invocation.
00:07:55.570 --> 00:08:08.419 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Green is extinguished in a blaze of yellow, red, orange, and brown thought loses its power. Drawn to the earth, where the Queen of Darkness the Great Mother reigns.
00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:11.400 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: We offer ourselves up to her,
00:08:11.420 --> 00:08:23.420 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: asking for rest, for release for freedom from the daily, the ordinary, to wander in our dark wildness until the sun returns.
00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.299 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And so it is
00:08:30.200 --> 00:08:36.460 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: so happy. One year anniversary to the edge of everyday podcast,
00:08:36.809 --> 00:08:48.200 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: when I created the edge of every day as a solo show in two thousand and thirteen, and performed it in the cabaret rooms of New York City and the surrounding areas.
00:08:48.290 --> 00:08:56.149 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I never would have thought it would have become a podcast. I I didn't even know what a podcast was let alone listen to any of them,
00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:03.870 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and I never would have thought that the edge of every day would become my spiritual leadership platform.
00:09:04.780 --> 00:09:12.180 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So what does that even mean that platform spiritual leadership platform? I think most people who listen
00:09:12.220 --> 00:09:25.329 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: mit ctl. And to this show understand that i'm a very spiritual person and highly curious about the mystery of life, but they can also see that my show is not a spiritual show per se.
00:09:25.410 --> 00:09:41.520 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I just was interviewed by one of our interns that I mentioned earlier. George Ramirez shout out to you, George, about my show um, and it's content, and I told him the people who listen to my show,
00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:47.889 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and the people who are guests on my show are a huge spectrum of seekers.
00:09:48.010 --> 00:09:55.999 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Some would call themselves spiritual, and others would call themselves nature lovers, or even non-believers.
00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:14.919 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I want the conversations to be invitations to every one of all understanding spirit, god goddess, optional conversations that push us out of our comfort zones, and call us to our very real questions
00:10:14.940 --> 00:10:25.109 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: around the mystery of life. I am not what you would call precious about my spirituality. I want realness,
00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:30.339 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and I'm very curious about the spiritual journey. However it's defined.
00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:51.120 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I share this because some of you may not realize that I am a seminary trained and ordained inter Spiritual Minister. I mentioned in my debut episode that I have shared, that i'm a a minister, and I've shared that i'm a minister in passing in conversations with some of my other guests.
00:10:51.160 --> 00:10:59.200 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: But it bears repeating tonight for this recalibration episode, and I think it is.
00:10:59.500 --> 00:11:01.240 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I don't think it. I know it.
00:11:01.530 --> 00:11:04.490 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: It is humanity's disconnect
00:11:04.930 --> 00:11:24.330 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: from the sacredness of all life. Through our materialism and capitalism, the patriarchy that has landed us in these tumultuous times. So I want to crank up the heat in my small corner of the world, my edge of every day.
00:11:24.650 --> 00:11:28.509 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So here we go from my website sandra Bardman Com.
00:11:29.350 --> 00:11:33.260 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So why interfaith into spirituality?
00:11:33.460 --> 00:11:46.599 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I'm. Completely fascinated by the spiritual journey, the wonderment, the search, be it through religious traditions mystical contemplation earth-based wisdom or a connection to nature,
00:11:46.620 --> 00:11:53.900 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: while my personality is drawn to some more than others, I find my quest to be outside of any organized religion
00:11:53.920 --> 00:12:03.670 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: asked about my tradition of choice. My reply is simple. I'm. Part human and part spirit. My tradition is curiosity
00:12:04.940 --> 00:12:14.769 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: interf. Is not a religion rather a philosophy that espouses the understanding that there are many paths to universal truth.
00:12:14.780 --> 00:12:25.390 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: My friends and colleagues, wedding couples and clients span the spectrum of the many ways to explore the spiritual aspect of being human,
00:12:25.400 --> 00:12:35.589 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: from atheist to Zen monk, and everything in between. What we share is the desire to serve humanity and to awaken to unity, consciousness,
00:12:36.370 --> 00:12:49.900 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and I would add the desire to explore the edge between being human and being, spirit, the edge between life and death. And that's what sow and what Halloween is all about.
00:12:51.510 --> 00:13:11.240 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So I resonate very deeply with all of the earth, based traditions, Druidism, wicca, native American wisdom, indigenous cultures, and Shamanism. When I was in seminary, and for those who may be curious about that That was the new seminary for interfaith studies.
00:13:11.250 --> 00:13:16.980 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Um, which is the first interface seminary in the Us. Which began in one thousand nine hundred and eighty one,
00:13:17.110 --> 00:13:29.470 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and I received my ordination from Tns at St. John, the divine in New York city, and went on to have another two-year seminary journey at one spirit Interface Seminary, also in New York City
00:13:29.590 --> 00:13:31.659 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: for spiritual counseling.
00:13:31.810 --> 00:13:39.329 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: But, as I was saying, It was in seminary that I reconnected with the ancient roots of Theater
00:13:39.470 --> 00:13:52.849 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Erez Agmoni, where they were one and the same, with the ancient spirituality roots where the gods and the goddesses were bringing back wisdom from the other worlds, and sharing that one hundred and fifty.
00:13:52.860 --> 00:14:01.729 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And it was this connection that really sparked my idea for my production company, sacred stages, Llc.
00:14:01.750 --> 00:14:03.699 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And in addition,
00:14:03.730 --> 00:14:12.350 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: for four years I was the Dean of First-year, students at the new Seminary, where I also taught ritual,
00:14:13.230 --> 00:14:28.400 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and I brought this love of ritual into the structuring of the solo show, creating it, as I lovingly call a cab a ritual part ritual part cabaret, the edge of every day.
00:14:29.210 --> 00:14:31.899 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So my love of ritual is deep
00:14:32.090 --> 00:14:41.660 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: at Sowen. In particular, we realize the knowledge that death is close, but also that our lives matter
00:14:41.730 --> 00:14:53.350 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: at this present moment is always a portal, a circle of white flame that holds space for things wildly new and very old.
00:14:53.360 --> 00:15:11.599 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: All of our work is ancestor work, and in the great fertility, tradition of witchcraft we are the womb and the tomb, and we sit on the edge of life and death, calling new possibilities into the world
00:15:12.800 --> 00:15:19.619 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: on the edge of life and death, calling new possibilities into the world. And so it is.
00:15:21.580 --> 00:15:40.310 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And as some of you know, I am a contributing author to a book entitled on the Shoulders of Mighty Women, by one of my dear friends, Leslie Michaels, whom I've had on this show. She was a guest on episode thirty which you can find on my Youtube Channel
00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.490 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Sandra Barton, on the edge of every day,
00:15:43.620 --> 00:15:47.330 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and i'd like to share a short reading from that chapter
00:15:47.420 --> 00:15:57.900 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: which is called Anger, and the reluctant leader that speaks to my long and deep understanding of ritual, and my connection to nature.
00:16:02.830 --> 00:16:11.010 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: The most unforeseen choices in life can put you on a path full of unforeseen awakening and fulfillment.
00:16:11.130 --> 00:16:23.139 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: In the early nineties, I made a strange and jaw-dropping decision to move away from the bustling life as an actor and performer in a bustling metropolitan area
00:16:23.210 --> 00:16:26.200 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: to a life in a very remote one.
00:16:26.300 --> 00:16:40.599 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: This big city girl, with matching big city hair and shoes and nary a piece of flannel owned, moved from New York City to a three thousand acre Nature preserve, and biological research station,
00:16:40.630 --> 00:16:44.849 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: a small brigade dune of a town in upstate New York
00:16:48.590 --> 00:17:08.699 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: in a nutshell. I was terribly angry at life, and needed some quietude which I got in spades with my shocking move. Landing in a small cabin in the woods smaller than my New York City apartment, resplendent with a wood stove and a composting toilet dubbed un ironically
00:17:08.710 --> 00:17:09.849 the throne.
00:17:11.819 --> 00:17:18.560 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I would say that it was my love for my then boyfriend that fueled my monumental leap. But i'd be lying.
00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:28.759 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Our little cabin on the preserve was nestled by a huge pond with a path around it that I would walk sometimes with my love, and more often alone.
00:17:28.940 --> 00:17:31.959 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: The woods around the pond intrigued me
00:17:32.230 --> 00:17:47.780 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: as I walked through three distinctly different habitats. One, a young forest, small trees with lush undergrowth, suaths of sunlight filtering through the second, more mature, a bit darker;
00:17:47.790 --> 00:18:06.899 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: finally a hemlock forest, majestic, formidable, and magical. It always seemed as if a wood nymph or ferry would be peaking up from one of the gnarled roots. One night I had a dream about the hemlock forest. In this dream it was a night time
00:18:06.980 --> 00:18:12.050 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: with a bright full moon. I started down the path.
00:18:12.100 --> 00:18:22.719 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: When at last I got to the hemlocks, moonlight was dappling down through the branches, and everything was alive with an expectant quality
00:18:23.190 --> 00:18:28.020 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: in the embrace of the hemlock forest. I began a ritual.
00:18:28.510 --> 00:18:39.889 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I searched for a spot in which to lie between some jutting roots, and when I found it I lay back, resting my head in a base crook of a tree.
00:18:39.900 --> 00:18:54.450 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Immediately my body began to tingle from head to toe. My breathing became rhythmic, and an inner pulsing began in my heart region, and slowly it grew more persistent feeling my entire body
00:18:55.040 --> 00:19:09.849 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: anticipatedly, I started to split open with no surprise on my behalf. My body simply opened up in a long line from my chin to my pelvis. As I opened, a bright
00:19:09.860 --> 00:19:22.239 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: white light came shining out straight up into the trees, and from within another me sat up as if sleeping, and was now only awakened.
00:19:22.550 --> 00:19:38.969 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: This knew me, was iridescent, sparkling with light. She looked around and finally stood up, stepped out on to the forest floor, turned to look down at the old me still cradled in the hemlock roots
00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:57.300 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Knowingly The old me smiled up at the new me, and slowly began to close herself back up as the new Me bent down and picked her up, hugging the old me to herself, and she began to walk slowly in the moonlight through the hemlock to the edge of the pond.
00:19:57.800 --> 00:20:11.200 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: At this knew me as this knew me, walked the old me she was carrying began to crumble and dissolve to dust floating out across the sparkling, moonlit water.
00:20:12.750 --> 00:20:25.780 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: It was with Mother Nature that I began to let go into howl with some real power, and for the first time in my life I could begin to face my anger and my rebellion.
00:20:26.120 --> 00:20:30.660 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So why was I so angry about what, and with whom?
00:20:31.040 --> 00:20:34.630 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Why are any women in this world angry?
00:20:36.990 --> 00:20:56.539 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Ah! There is a there is a mouthful, a mouthful for women around the globe, and a mouthful for witches. And with that question it's time for us to take a break. So you are listening to the edge of every day on talk radio, dot Nyc: you can hear us on your podcast platform of choice
00:20:56.550 --> 00:21:03.939 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: up next. What makes a witch and my surprise guest So stay tuned.
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00:23:15.310 --> 00:23:24.559 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: on the edge of every day, and we are back on our special Halloween episode. So trick or treat which one is it?
00:23:24.910 --> 00:23:28.829 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Well, here on the edge of every day? It's both, of course.
00:23:30.090 --> 00:23:33.980 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So who is your favorite witch.
00:23:34.340 --> 00:23:35.780 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Hmm.
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:45.609 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Well, I can tell you that my first favorite was um Samantha on bewitched. Actually, it really wasn't Samantha. It was her mother and Dora.
00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:58.980 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So i'm. I'm. Aging myself very easily with with that. So go check it out. If you do not know, be which to everyone. Go Google, that go check that out on Youtube.
00:23:59.060 --> 00:24:02.259 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I also love Ursula in the Little Mermaid.
00:24:02.930 --> 00:24:07.450 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Well, probably my most favorite, which
00:24:07.690 --> 00:24:16.130 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: is Um, the witch from the musical into the woods by Steven Sondheim,
00:24:16.260 --> 00:24:18.659 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: who famously sings,
00:24:18.940 --> 00:24:23.449 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I'm not good. I'm not nice. I'm just right.
00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:25.490 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I'm the witch
00:24:29.290 --> 00:24:34.859 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: ooh people pleasing that women are conditioned to cultivate.
00:24:35.410 --> 00:24:41.190 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I mentioned that in my chapter that people pleasing as a tactic, but wow,
00:24:41.410 --> 00:24:49.769 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: that which she just cuts through it. I'm not good. I'm not nice. I'm just right. I'm the witch.
00:24:49.780 --> 00:25:05.100 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: That line succinctly sums up the myth, or the archetype of the whip, which, as the angry, vengeful, righteous, lonely banished old hag.
00:25:05.530 --> 00:25:20.970 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: All of the powerful, emotional, passionate, intuitive traits of the feminine have been relegated to the shadow to darkness, have gone underground in this mythos, this archetype
00:25:21.280 --> 00:25:22.250 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: but
00:25:22.470 --> 00:25:33.020 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: the great feminine goddesses throughout time were complex, with qualities that were both light and dark,
00:25:33.030 --> 00:25:45.349 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: the life giving creative, nurturing qualities, as well as the qualities of anger and destruction, independence, sensuousness, and sensuality,
00:25:45.410 --> 00:25:46.920 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: sound familiar
00:25:47.890 --> 00:25:58.389 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: still after wave after wave of feminists uprising for equality, equity, and inclusion, and still
00:25:58.660 --> 00:26:00.960 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: in two thousand and twenty
00:26:01.170 --> 00:26:16.070 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: two thousand and twenty-two. Excuse me, women must, and are challenging the status quo of the patriarchy to reclaim their complete feminine hood and to maintain their equity.
00:26:16.220 --> 00:26:19.400 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Women around the world are angry,
00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:35.339 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and like the witch, very rightly so; and they are channeling this anger to awaken others, to protest, to claim their own voice and power to redefine female leadership, to care for Mother Earth.
00:26:35.850 --> 00:26:46.940 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Women's wisdom, sensuality, spiritual strength, and connection to the earth has long been feared by the patriarchy and the Church,
00:26:47.260 --> 00:26:58.689 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: which, of course, are one and the same. With that understanding you can begin to see the connection of the patriarchy and the massive climate crises that we are facing
00:27:00.600 --> 00:27:18.740 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: a friend of mine, Joan King, who is a wonderful director and actor, and who directed me in a fantastic show about a which Sicarax based on the which, from the Tempest uh, and I had Joan on my show on episode four.
00:27:18.780 --> 00:27:38.019 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Well, Joan recently gifted me a book called Be Time Lessons from the Hive, by Mark L. Winston, and I used it in my research for my conversation with Rebecca Louis, the executive director of the B Conservancy in New York City, and that was episode
00:27:38.030 --> 00:27:39.010 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: forty.
00:27:39.590 --> 00:27:52.550 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: In in the book I discovered the work of Nikaya Seeds sacred beekeeper, and through her I discovered the numinous podcast hosted by Carmen Spaniola.
00:27:52.970 --> 00:27:59.759 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: According to Carmen, there are two attributes that make a witch, and those are
00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:02.340 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: animism. And activism.
00:28:03.230 --> 00:28:05.119 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So what is animism?
00:28:05.530 --> 00:28:10.179 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: It is the belief in the installment of the world
00:28:10.310 --> 00:28:20.890 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: that everything has a soul or an oversole. If you will. Trees, rocks, the water, insects, everything,
00:28:21.100 --> 00:28:31.610 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: all are connected, and all are in relationship, and there is no hierarchy of importance or dominion over any other being.
00:28:31.730 --> 00:28:40.330 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I would also call this a deep understanding of planetary ecosystems as well as unity, consciousness,
00:28:40.660 --> 00:28:54.299 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and activism, the protection of the oppressed, an uprising against the privatization of the common resources that should be available to all beings,
00:28:54.610 --> 00:29:06.109 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: the protection of the oppressed, the protection of common spaces, the protection of ways of being the protection of agency over one's own body.
00:29:06.740 --> 00:29:13.739 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: When I was on that biological research station I was to come upon a book that became one of my most treasured books.
00:29:13.910 --> 00:29:24.610 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Women who run with the wolves by Clarissa Pinkola, Estes, and it became truly a Bible for me, and i'm sure many other women, and in it she writes:
00:29:25.330 --> 00:29:36.430 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Within every woman there is a wild and natural creature, a powerful force filled with good instincts, passionate creativity, and ageless. Knowing
00:29:36.580 --> 00:29:43.620 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: her name is wild woman, but she is an endangered species.
00:29:44.290 --> 00:30:03.039 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: The wild woman would defy the rules, traditions, and standards of patriarchal society, as, above all, she is moved by a longing for freedom, not only for herself, but of humanity.
00:30:03.280 --> 00:30:13.639 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: In her quest for love, she puts herself through the most unlikely situations to expose truth to the world.
00:30:13.770 --> 00:30:22.840 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: She is here to teach us all a lesson of light, love, and freedom, the one true nature of the soul
00:30:22.930 --> 00:30:33.400 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: due to her choices. She will suffer profoundly, but she will always continue in her adventure in a fascinating quest for love,
00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:35.680 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: truth, and freedom.
00:30:37.070 --> 00:30:47.799 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: The wild woman is the witch. She is the one that owns both her light and her shadow. She is whole and unafraid of her completeness.
00:30:47.810 --> 00:31:02.090 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And this is what I mean by the edge of every day. The willingness to be real about our complexities, and to celebrate our light, and to have the courage to seek the wisdom and the power of our shadows.
00:31:03.330 --> 00:31:13.099 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: The German word for which is hex, which means fence, and the word for ha! The word hag
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.900 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: also means fence.
00:31:16.770 --> 00:31:31.460 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Witches ride the fence, their fence riders, as they push the boundaries, push the borders, balance the edges, the edges between the human and the divine, the human and the underground,
00:31:31.650 --> 00:31:35.290 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: the edges between the real and the other world,
00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:38.800 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: the which is the veil,
00:31:41.030 --> 00:31:43.229 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and with that it's time for a break.
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00:34:01.700 --> 00:34:09.810 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: we are back on the edge of every day, and it is time for my special guest.
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:24.330 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Oh, there, woman, there's an entry,
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:38.950 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: my costume swelling apart because it's held together with hot glue. Oh, my God! Oh, my goodness! I had dog tags and everything. Oh, my!
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:51.840 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: You! You are the hottest hot lips ever. I could just go before we dive in. I I just want to do some bragging on you. I gotta read your incredible Cv and brag on my woman.
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:53.689 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Okay,
00:34:54.710 --> 00:35:08.800 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: There it comes Grammy award-winning vocalist, Leslie Ellis performs live across the Usa and Europe with hit songwriter Casey Kelly in the New Duo Kelly and Ellis
00:35:08.810 --> 00:35:21.449 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: through her career, Leslie has sung with many artists, including Celine Dion on my heart, will go on from the movie Titanic, for which Leslie won the Grammy
00:35:21.460 --> 00:35:44.450 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and Thomas Dolby on his latest album, forty featured on hyperactive. She sang the original soundtrack song six times around the sun for the Cbs Mini Series. Perfect Murder! Perfect town! And she's done countless Tv radio jingles and song demos for sony music in two thousand and seven.
00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:55.249 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Her self-pend flyer song was adopted by the Us. Navy and made into a video as a tribute to the troops and their families.
00:35:55.340 --> 00:36:11.160 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Early in two thousand and nine she re-recorded the song with production by Ron Oates shot additional video and has, and this has culminated in an even more magnificent presentation of the song and the video.
00:36:11.170 --> 00:36:24.150 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: She's also written songs, dozens of which have been cut by artists, including the Bellamy Brothers and New York city-based recording artist, David Ippolito
00:36:24.160 --> 00:36:35.579 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: in one thousand nine hundred and ninety four leslie's original songs appeared in the Musical Cowboy cafe and were performed. Live at the Show's Premier, in North Carolina
00:36:35.670 --> 00:36:55.409 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: as an actress. Leslie has appeared on television and the Broadway stage Cats, Lakaja Foe and City of Angels, among others, and in the films the New True, Charlie Wu. Happy New Year, Mr. Kate's, and the feature film
00:36:55.420 --> 00:37:15.089 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: unconditional in two thousand and seven. She starred in an independent film called My name is Wallace, which was invited to the Con Film Festival. Leslie also has a successful career as a voice over artist and book narrator. She now tours in the award-winning Duo
00:37:15.100 --> 00:37:28.339 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Kelly and Ellis with hit songwriter husband Casey Kelly
00:37:28.540 --> 00:37:47.649 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Well, I mean when you're old, like you have stuff. It's like a list. I should just do like a bullet list like it. I I feel like I know. Well, listen. I like I like a hefty. You have a hefty Cv. And I like to share a hefty scene, and you're not on the show the whole time, girl, and I want everyone to know everything about you.
00:37:47.670 --> 00:38:02.960 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I know it. It hogs up a little time, and we don't have a ton of time, but but this particular. But so let's get into it. So we know each other from Cmu folks that's how she and I met when we were Bambini's when we were all of eighteen years old at
00:38:02.980 --> 00:38:04.930 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Carnegie Mellon,
00:38:05.670 --> 00:38:15.610 Leslie Ellis: our Amy, My God! Carnegie Mellon, a my God in Pittsburgh, Yeah, and it's in pick spars right by, you know Squirrel Hill when it
00:38:16.650 --> 00:38:23.910 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: it's like that. Yeah, I can't get together with Leslie. Not do that. Folks just indulge us. We have to do the Pittsburgh,
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:39.009 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: but you were a real Pittsburgh. But anyway, I was a real Pittsburgh, and I'm not at, and my God, I chat. I diverse. Oh, well, it's all good. I got it, please. We're just chatting. And um yeah, and yes, and thankfully, I didn't have a wicked pis for geese accent what little I had got beaten out of me
00:38:39.020 --> 00:38:56.260 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: like a lot of things got beaten out of us and see him. You are. Yeah, I went there. So um! You're so you showed up as hot lips, tool ahead, because you are hot lips, and I love this because hot lips is a healer, and and which is our healers.
00:38:56.410 --> 00:39:14.689 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I love just love this, and you know, which is women women in their sensuality, women in their power, women taking care of themselves. Yeah, very powerful choice. Love it so. Um. So who's your favorite? Which Ms. Ellis?
00:39:16.090 --> 00:39:19.469 Leslie Ellis: I know we prepared this, but I do have to say,
00:39:19.720 --> 00:39:23.359 Leslie Ellis: I don't want to be like gross, but, like I have to say that
00:39:23.900 --> 00:39:30.010 Leslie Ellis: my favorite, which is the character of Grizabella in cats, that is a character. I played
00:39:30.240 --> 00:39:32.049 Leslie Ellis: in the um
00:39:32.160 --> 00:39:38.239 Leslie Ellis: uh in one of the Broadway tours of the show. And um she is
00:39:39.210 --> 00:39:44.710 Leslie Ellis: the embodiment of anish ah of of a witch because she's she's um
00:39:44.760 --> 00:40:01.300 Leslie Ellis: cast out. She's shamed. She's downtrodden. She's special. She feels things. She knows things. She knows things. Yeah, So Um, that was a really intimate experience for me.
00:40:01.560 --> 00:40:04.649 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Incredible! I can so imagine.
00:40:05.520 --> 00:40:06.810 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And
00:40:07.470 --> 00:40:11.369 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: so in terms of
00:40:12.330 --> 00:40:15.799 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: how did you relate to to
00:40:16.070 --> 00:40:20.700 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: playing her? How what did you learn about yourself playing her
00:40:21.870 --> 00:40:34.919 Leslie Ellis: interesting like. I don't know that I knew this at the time, and I was only twenty four years old. Oh, my God! But I was, I know, but I was also born in old soul, as you were born, born an old soul, my girl, and
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:51.829 Leslie Ellis: you know, as a kid, I was a total nerd. I was a you know, a music nerd a drama nerd before that I was a Please don't talk to her if you can try to beat her up, girl, and um, you know, bullied and all that. So um I was.
00:40:52.780 --> 00:41:01.459 Leslie Ellis: I was Grizabella as a child, and I don't think I knew this at the time, because you know, when you're twenty, you think like i'm going to be a star.
00:41:01.600 --> 00:41:02.770 Leslie Ellis: So
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:08.750 Leslie Ellis: you know I don't think I knew it at the time, but I think that in retrospect, looking back at it,
00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:11.939 Leslie Ellis: doing the role allowed me to
00:41:13.730 --> 00:41:14.879 Leslie Ellis: to
00:41:15.890 --> 00:41:17.100 Leslie Ellis: to be me.
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:34.499 Leslie Ellis: You know I was told that we was too emotional to uh gentle to whatever and and um like every woman like every witch, right like every woman like every witch, and so I could go out there on stage for whatever amount of time I was singing memory
00:41:34.510 --> 00:41:48.629 Leslie Ellis: or the other things I sing, and I could be me yeah, unapologetically, without anybody giving me any crap about it. So ah, it was a really special experience. Very deep experience really changed me a lot.
00:41:48.950 --> 00:41:50.390 I can imagine.
00:41:50.530 --> 00:41:51.439 Yeah,
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.500 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: this makes me think about um
00:41:56.550 --> 00:41:59.370 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: in this season of letting go,
00:42:00.910 --> 00:42:13.150 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and the story of is about Grizabella, and of which is everywhere. This, that this line that I have from my my solo show where I have.
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:24.470 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: You know the grief of Grizabella, the grief and the anger of Grizabella and witches, and in the grief section of the show I had this line.
00:42:25.660 --> 00:42:28.700 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I've been leveled and shattered by grief
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:35.770 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: deaths of many kinds, including the death of who I thought I should be,
00:42:39.020 --> 00:42:50.900 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and I don't. I don't think there is. Well, first of all, I don't think there's a human that can't relate to that. And but at this time this time of letting go, of of sowing, of Halloween,
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:52.279 of of
00:42:53.050 --> 00:42:58.740 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: thinking about those who have passed away, and thinking of loss and grief.
00:42:58.790 --> 00:43:00.220 Leslie Ellis: And um,
00:43:02.150 --> 00:43:03.980 Leslie Ellis: yeah, I mean um.
00:43:04.990 --> 00:43:13.200 Leslie Ellis: I recently have an experience with you where I feel like for the first time in probably my entire life, I said, Oh,
00:43:13.310 --> 00:43:18.420 Leslie Ellis: oh, God, this is what I have to do. I have to to embrace this grief,
00:43:18.620 --> 00:43:28.659 Leslie Ellis: and I have to dig down and sit in it really, instead of trying to make everyone happy. Don't be too emotional. Don't be too needy and on its stuff. So that statement's very,
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:29.839 Leslie Ellis: you know,
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:46.090 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: very important to me. It was a powerful, powerful ritual, and I think you know you. I loved what you shared with me, that it it was difficult for you to step into ritual, as I think it is for a lot of people, but but I think
00:43:46.100 --> 00:43:58.439 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: people very quickly come to understand the power of transformation. And, as you know, this is the world of magic. This is the world of witchcraft,
00:43:58.450 --> 00:44:13.170 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: the the power of intention, and the power of transformation, and the willingness to live in the liminal space like Sowen is completely aiminal space, and it was really fascinating to watch the two of us
00:44:13.180 --> 00:44:26.669 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: choose what we needed to choose and to set the intention. Of course, that's the other important element, And for both of us it was around loss,
00:44:27.150 --> 00:44:45.110 Leslie Ellis: yeah growth. And, you know, first lost, then growth and transformation, the chrysalis. You know, the butterflies, my spirit animals. So I do know that I do know that well. I I very much want to now
00:44:45.120 --> 00:44:58.439 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: uh play your song. But Sam has here that we have a a minute to break. Sam. Is it okay? If we play the song now, or should I wait till after the break? Can you toss that into the chat
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:08.779 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: when we come back? Okay. So we're going to take a lovely break. I am here with the luscious Leslie, Alice,
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:27.779 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: dearest soul, sisters of life! And when we come back we are going to hear the song that she has composed, some reduced, and we played this together. Yeah, and played, played, and produced all every element you here is her.
00:45:27.790 --> 00:45:31.829 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And we played this at the end of our,
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:42.910 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and I can't even begin to tell you how healing it was. So stay with us when we come back with Leslie Ellis on the edge of every day. Stay tuned
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00:47:27.340 --> 00:47:29.290 chipping around.
00:47:29.310 --> 00:47:38.609 I'll kick my brain to the ground. These are the days
00:47:39.520 --> 00:47:41.220 on the edge,
00:47:41.270 --> 00:47:42.460 and every day
00:47:42.550 --> 00:47:48.579 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and we are back with my soul, sister, the gorgeous and talented
00:47:48.950 --> 00:48:08.880 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Leslie Ellis Without further ado i'm gonna dive in and and let's I I I'm. I'm doing a lot of things here. So let fingers crossed. Here we go. We're gonna screen, share and share this incredible song. Remember Leslie has done every single thing you Here, Here we go,
00:48:41.510 --> 00:48:42.850 you
00:48:44.260 --> 00:48:45.169 you
00:48:52.270 --> 00:48:54.899 you!
00:48:56.070 --> 00:49:01.329 The work slips away when I
00:49:11.970 --> 00:49:17.549 so many things try to break it all down.
00:49:20.020 --> 00:49:26.870 Call me
00:49:28.120 --> 00:49:30.830 so long. If I knew my
00:49:33.350 --> 00:49:34.839 to say goodbye.
00:49:37.390 --> 00:49:38.649 We don't
00:49:47.240 --> 00:49:48.229 my
00:49:50.410 --> 00:49:54.669 don't let go of my
00:50:12.530 --> 00:50:16.860 times. I see you
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:18.779 you
00:50:20.540 --> 00:50:23.149 with you.
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:33.230 There's nothing but you here that I ever miss
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:34.620 the
00:50:35.780 --> 00:50:39.770 I go anywhere with you.
00:50:44.090 --> 00:50:46.330 So
00:50:48.530 --> 00:50:50.819 to say goodbye.
00:50:52.010 --> 00:50:52.910 The
00:50:53.300 --> 00:50:54.560 A.
00:51:03.670 --> 00:51:04.720 You,
00:51:07.030 --> 00:51:08.399 I, my
00:51:08.450 --> 00:51:09.370 to me,
00:51:11.260 --> 00:51:12.540 go down
00:51:21.610 --> 00:51:22.540 you.
00:51:28.290 --> 00:51:31.639 We've loved each other so well.
00:51:32.660 --> 00:51:35.009 Me
00:51:36.430 --> 00:51:38.669 this from
00:51:50.420 --> 00:51:54.229 Don't. Go my
00:51:54.820 --> 00:51:56.669 on my
00:51:58.430 --> 00:52:00.680 hold on
00:52:01.030 --> 00:52:02.779 you
00:52:03.070 --> 00:52:04.790 because you
00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:09.420 don't I call my
00:52:11.290 --> 00:52:12.160 come on!
00:52:35.070 --> 00:52:37.620 Oh, less!
00:52:38.380 --> 00:52:50.549 Leslie Ellis: My goodness gracious!
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.439 Leslie Ellis: Healing a part of my heart that I wasn't ready to deal with, so
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:57.750 Leslie Ellis: So that's what that songs about.
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:05.050 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And that was exactly what I was working on, and that the the power of
00:53:05.200 --> 00:53:10.659 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: letting go and the resistance, and and
00:53:11.130 --> 00:53:18.079 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: it a relationship, a loved one, an ancestor a self-identity.
00:53:18.180 --> 00:53:22.649 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: No, That's the season we are in, and
00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:27.919 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: the power of ritual to be able to stay present with that it was.
00:53:29.420 --> 00:53:36.519 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: It was very moving, and i'm so grateful. I got to do it with you. I'm so grateful you're in my life.
00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:49.460 Leslie Ellis: Well, in a bigger way. Yeah. Oh, my goodness, all right. So let's talk about you a little bit. I want to know why you wanted to start this podcast. In the first place, Sam, because
00:53:49.470 --> 00:54:05.069 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: this is a lot of work. You're like a billion hours a week. This is a time. Yeah, it's a ton of work. It's It's: Yeah, it's a ton of work, And I wanted to do this podcast because it was Covid, and I didn't have anything else,
00:54:05.080 --> 00:54:13.650 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and all of my work had gone. Poof! And I um, you know I was booked to do a show as book to do
00:54:13.810 --> 00:54:21.989 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: a bunch of weddings. I had some cabaret stuff poop gone, as you know, was the case with everyone. But Yep,
00:54:22.970 --> 00:54:41.140 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: but I, you know, and I had to wallow around and roll in the mud and be very sad and and angry, and you know all of those things that I I love to do. Um, I am rather. It's where I kind of love my anger. You know it it it I can.
00:54:41.150 --> 00:54:53.260 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Oh, my God! Three minutes! Oh, gosh! So anyway, real quick. It was because I wanted to. I needed an outlet,
00:54:53.270 --> 00:55:06.309 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and you know you were one of the people that I talked to. I. You know I was thinking about doing this podcast, but I think we need another podcast, for, like we need needles stuck in our eyes. But of course that was the way that I was fighting.
00:55:06.650 --> 00:55:10.250 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Yeah, I was hiding. And what if Covid was?
00:55:10.690 --> 00:55:27.819 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: It's instrumental for everyone around the world to hear the call, to step more fully into sharing themselves, sharing their voice. And if there's a time at these crossroads that we are in here on planet Earth.
00:55:27.830 --> 00:55:36.709 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I heard it, and I wanted to share my voice in a bigger way. And so I stepped into this, and you know it was a bit like spaghetti on the wall. I found out I loved it,
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:46.299 Leslie Ellis: and here we are amazing at it. I mean, I've loved these shows, and I think it's really important. I told you one hundred times. I think it's really important. Some of us
00:55:46.450 --> 00:55:49.029 Leslie Ellis: need to hear what you have to share with us
00:55:49.300 --> 00:55:51.909 Leslie Ellis: to help us through this crap, you know.
00:55:51.990 --> 00:56:11.799 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's been a joy to do so I I got a share. You can find Leslie at Leslie, Alice, Dot, com at Kelly and Ellis dot com, and are you are at uh Leslie Ellis on insta.
00:56:12.220 --> 00:56:22.180 Leslie Ellis: Oh, it's Kelly and Ellis on instant it's killing off. Oh, it's always Kelly and Alice or Leslie Ellis, or uh working Jade music
00:56:22.190 --> 00:56:40.329 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: and we can find one in J music, and we can find me Sander Bargeman, dot com at Sandra Bargeman uh on Insta, i'm on. You know. I'm all over the place. My Youtube Channel. Once again, Sandra Bargeman, on the edge of every day Run, don't walk and subscribe
00:56:40.340 --> 00:56:59.720 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: um real quick. We've gone through a lot of resources on the shoulders of mighty women. Be time lessons from the hive, the luminous podcast, and stay tuned. I have Amanda Yates Garcia on who wrote memoir of A, which on November twenty eighth.
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:19.939 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: So so I just want to say cheers to you, my dear. Oh, cheers to you! Thank you So much for being on the show, and everyone who's listening in. Thank you. Happy Halloween! Happy sowing! I have a quick, closing prayer for this incredible season.
00:57:20.390 --> 00:57:26.809 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Courage, integrity, wisdom, cleverness, kindness, and compassion.
00:57:26.820 --> 00:57:53.140 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: These are the virtues I believe in. This is who I am. My mother and her mother, my grandmothers and their grandmothers, Ruth Bader, Ginsburg, Sojourner Truth, Susan B. Anthony, Eleanor Roosevelt, These are ancestors among many I admire these are the powerful voices I hear
00:57:53.150 --> 00:58:11.249 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I am blessed by their knowledge and their example, I am inspired by their action to day. I will cry, forgive, listen, learn, let go, and let my tears water the seeds of my future.
00:58:11.260 --> 00:58:30.160 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Within my own gifts I will do as the ancestors did. I will take part in the grand history of humanity. I will come alive, and with that aliveness I will be a hero in my way, on my own edge of every day
00:58:30.180 --> 00:58:32.259 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: to honor their memory.
00:58:32.870 --> 00:58:34.620 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And so it is.
00:58:35.870 --> 00:58:42.130 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Thanks, my woman. I will see you all next week.
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