Sam and Daniel will be discussing all about how to use Cannabis as an effective therapeutic treatment.
This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Co-founder, Educator, Guide, Non-Profit Board Member, and Principal Organizer of the DMTx Program, Daniel McQueen.
Daniel McQueen, MA, is a professional psychedelic therapist and executive director of the Center for Medicinal Mindfulness, a psychedelic harm-reduction program and international psychedelic therapy training program focusing on Cannabis-Assisted Psychedelic Therapy and Cannabis-Assisted Psychotherapy.
In his newest book, Psychedelic Cannabis, Daniel explains how cannabis can be used to treat trauma and emotional pain, as a problem-solving tool, and as a potent catalyst for self-transformation and healing work. He shares methods to minimize the unwanted effects, such as anxiety and paranoia, and details how to blend cannabis strains for specific kinds of psychedelic experiences.
Sam and Daniel will be discussing how to use Cannabis as an effective therapeutic treatment.
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Daniel Mcqueen talks about getting into healing work in the first segment because Mcqueen was dealing with his trauma. Next, Mcqueen talks about his interest in psychedelics since he was younger. Mcqueen then talks about his journey to being where he is now. Next, Sam asks if cannabis is a psychedelic, and Mcqueen says it depends on the dosage. Disclaimer only uses cannabis if it is legal in your location.
In the second segment, McQueen tells a story of when he first realized cannabis is a psychedelic. McQueen talks about the different families and the hundreds of strains involved. Talks about the quality of weed from the past to now—discussions about the consumption via smoking or eating.
McQueen talks about weed as a consent psychedelic experience as you are reclaiming your healing. McQueen discusses the beautiful sessions, but the challenges are educating the consumers on using cannabis as a psychedelic. Talks about people’s expectations. He talks about profound, meaningful moments in his life with cannabis. McQueen talks about the challenge of staying in contact with someone who describes their horrific trauma. The steps to use cannabis if you have a prior addiction.
McQueen talks about cannabis psychedelics and why it is good to use one a week or once every two weeks. Cannabis also improves McQueen's creative thought process. Next, McQueen talks about the benefits of police using cannabis to fight PTSD. Lastly, McQueen talks about the DMTx Program and his passion for it. McQueen plans on bringing the psychedelic to a group setting.
00:00:38.130 --> 00:00:50.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: afternoon my conscious co creators, welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, I am very, very pleased that you were all here with me today.
00:00:50.610 --> 00:00:59.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I want to give an especially big shout out to all the people who are participating in my podcasting class podcast your passion.
00:00:59.760 --> 00:01:10.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I recently relaunched it it's a six week course to help people create and start their podcast and get it launched in six weeks and I have just an a wonderful wonderful group of students.
00:01:11.010 --> 00:01:19.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who've joined the class this go around I really appreciate it i'll definitely be offering the class again in the future, probably in the summertime so.
00:01:20.310 --> 00:01:36.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you all for joining me for that anyway um welcome to the conscious consultant, our hope you all doing great this week, I have an amazing guest that i'm looking forward to bringing on in just a moment, but first, of course, I have my little section from my book, everyday awakening.
00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:48.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And let's get to it, so, then I can bring my desktop and this section is entitled home is not our House, it is about living in the heart.
00:01:49.860 --> 00:02:01.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: coming home is not about returning to our house or apartment, it is not about being with our family, although they can be there, it is not about visiting our place of birth or origin.
00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:25.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's about feeling the sense of home in our hearts, it is about feeling okay to be ourselves when we leave our Center our home, we lose ourselves, we become grounded it becomes easy to get pulled into situations that do not need or deserve our attention.
00:02:26.820 --> 00:02:39.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we get hurt we close our hearts, it can take time to feel safe again and ready to reopen our hearts to be back at the place where we are comfortable with ourselves.
00:02:40.140 --> 00:02:48.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Many things can take us away from our home our jobs, our businesses, our friends, our projects our love our lovers.
00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:57.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Finding our way back to our hearts can be an elusive endeavor, especially when we have not traveled that way before.
00:02:58.530 --> 00:03:10.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well, it is easy to leave the heart space, it is not as easy to re enter it when we feel unsafe and uncertain moving back to Center is frightening.
00:03:11.250 --> 00:03:23.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We might get hurt again we might get abused, again, we might be left alone again get the pain of not being home is actually worse than taking that risk.
00:03:25.500 --> 00:03:43.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our souls desire to be back home every fiber of our being craves to be back home, and when we reemerge in our true home we do feel safe, not because of what anyone else may or may not do.
00:03:44.580 --> 00:03:51.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because we are safe, with ourselves, because it is where our true essence lies.
00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where our heart is our home is.
00:03:57.270 --> 00:03:59.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Have you gone home lately.
00:04:00.450 --> 00:04:02.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Have you connected with your heart lately.
00:04:04.290 --> 00:04:06.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I wrote this section of my book.
00:04:08.220 --> 00:04:14.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Probably somewhere around six years ago I would guess six to seven years ago.
00:04:17.100 --> 00:04:27.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it was the first time I wrote it because someone I was working with at the time had said, you know coming home coming home to our hearts.
00:04:27.690 --> 00:04:35.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And he kind of gave a little talk about it and I discussed it with him afterwards, and I just thought you know, it was a very.
00:04:36.180 --> 00:04:48.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: different way of thinking about home we usually tend to think about home is this physical place, whether it was the home We grew up in or the home, we have now.
00:04:49.560 --> 00:05:06.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we tend to you know take things very literally in a way, and so, for me, it was very much a different way of thinking about home that home wasn't about a physical place that home was really about.
00:05:08.220 --> 00:05:11.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The place within ourselves where we feel safe.
00:05:12.930 --> 00:05:19.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where we feel connected, where we are just being ourselves.
00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:28.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so I wrote this section to really share that that feeling that I had.
00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:47.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, as I mentioned, you a couple weeks ago I had on GP Walsh actually last week to talk about his journey and his process called inner reconciliation and we talked about how the longest distance we will travel is the 18 inches from our head to our heart.
00:05:50.460 --> 00:06:12.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the reason why that's so is because we've all been so hurt and traumatized and i've had to deal with such painful and uncomfortable things that at some point in our life we decided it wasn't safe to be in our heart that if we were in our heart, we were just going to feel more pain.
00:06:13.890 --> 00:06:16.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so to cut ourselves off from our heart we go up into our head.
00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:29.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But when we're not in our heart we're not in our home we're not connected we're not connected to ourselves and we're not connected to ourselves we're not connected to others.
00:06:30.570 --> 00:06:40.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To me, this is why there's such a epidemic of loneliness and alienation and sense of of not belonging.
00:06:43.830 --> 00:06:48.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, in my hallucination in my point of view.
00:06:49.740 --> 00:07:04.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The way to solve that epidemic is to use practices like what we're going to talk about today to learn to come back to our hearts to feel safe to be home to be connected.
00:07:05.220 --> 00:07:15.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To be ourselves and to be with ourselves again and it's interesting because one of the things i've noticed with many of my friends during the pandemic.
00:07:17.580 --> 00:07:28.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is that because we're having to spend so much time with ourselves not being so externally focused and not being out there, but but but to be in inward and with ourselves.
00:07:29.130 --> 00:07:46.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It actually is causing us to actually come back to ourselves to be safe to to work through these things and i've just noticed with several of my friends that over the last couple of years there they feel much more grounded they're much more.
00:07:47.700 --> 00:07:50.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Present with themselves and much more connected so.
00:07:52.020 --> 00:07:54.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Anyway, it seems like it's just the perfect.
00:07:57.060 --> 00:08:02.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: section of my book to read it again it's just it's the second section in the fourth chapter in my book.
00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:11.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For my guest, and so, and again if anyone listening has not gotten a copy of my book, what are you doing get a copy of my book.
00:08:11.490 --> 00:08:19.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You just go to everyday awakening book COM it'll take you right to the Amazon listing go pick it up, and I would love to hear from you please leave a review.
00:08:20.130 --> 00:08:32.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: On Amazon or whatever bookseller you can get it on Barnes and Nobles all over the place, but get it, let me know what you think, so now it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show.
00:08:35.190 --> 00:08:43.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Co founder educator guide nonprofit board member and principal organizer of the dmc X program Daniel mcqueen.
00:08:43.890 --> 00:08:56.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Daniel is a professional psychedelic therapist and executive director of the Center for medical mindfulness a psychedelic harm reduction program and international psychedelic therapy training Program.
00:08:56.550 --> 00:09:05.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Focusing on cannabis assisted psychedelic therapy and cannabis assisted psychotherapy in his newest book psychedelic cannabis.
00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:17.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Daniel explains how cannabis can be used to treat trauma and emotional pain as a problem solving tool and as a tent and as a potent catalyst for self transformation and healing work.
00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:30.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He shares methods to minimize the unwanted effects such as anxiety and paranoia and details, how to blend cannabis strains for specific kinds of psychedelic experiences, welcome to the conscious consultant hour Daniel.
00:09:31.110 --> 00:09:33.420 Daniel McQueen: thanks for having me Sam i'm really grateful to be here.
00:09:33.810 --> 00:09:44.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: i'm grateful for you to take the time to come on today and to join us um so i'm just curious, to begin with what sort of.
00:09:45.150 --> 00:10:03.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: brought you to sort of got you to want to focus on the i'll call it the healing arts or the healing professions and then from that, what kind of moved you from just being in the healing professions to actually focusing on cannabis as a psychedelic treatment.
00:10:05.580 --> 00:10:09.930 Daniel McQueen: No well it's been a lifelong journey I think i've always been a seeker.
00:10:10.800 --> 00:10:27.060 Daniel McQueen: spiritual seeker and interested in personal development, growth, but you know I also came from a history of trauma as well, just as many of us have, and so I think my interest in healing modalities was because I was in my own healing process.
00:10:28.830 --> 00:10:29.580 Daniel McQueen: You know, and then.
00:10:30.660 --> 00:10:39.780 Daniel McQueen: Also, you know really appreciated what you said about you know homeless homeless in your heart, you know, so I grew up in a space in little rock Arkansas never really quite fit in.
00:10:40.800 --> 00:10:48.780 Daniel McQueen: And so I had to find my own way to my heart, in a way, and and one of those was was intentional use of psychedelic medicines.
00:10:49.110 --> 00:10:55.290 Daniel McQueen: And so it's so you know psychedelic medicines has always been an interest of mine, since my early adulthood, you know.
00:10:56.310 --> 00:11:01.470 Daniel McQueen: And, and so I got my I went and got my masters in trance personal counseling and Europa.
00:11:02.370 --> 00:11:03.930 Daniel McQueen: Which is the study of.
00:11:04.950 --> 00:11:14.190 Daniel McQueen: altered states of consciousness meditation spirituality and how it relates to psychology and and I always thought I would go into psychedelic guiding work.
00:11:14.790 --> 00:11:18.480 Daniel McQueen: i've been part of intentional communities in that way and.
00:11:19.680 --> 00:11:24.060 Daniel McQueen: And then 10 years ago things really started to open up in the field of psychedelic there.
00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:25.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah I know with.
00:11:25.470 --> 00:11:28.110 Daniel McQueen: With movements such and, and so I.
00:11:29.340 --> 00:11:33.870 Daniel McQueen: After I graduated cannabis became legal and we started to experiment with cannabis as a.
00:11:33.870 --> 00:11:34.710 Daniel McQueen: psychedelic.
00:11:35.100 --> 00:11:46.530 Daniel McQueen: We thought, maybe it'd be a nice teaching tool, or something, but it became very obvious that it was a classic psychedelic can be used for therapeutic and personal growth purposes so.
00:11:46.920 --> 00:11:54.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And you know it's really interesting, especially when I came across your book, because I know I have this prejudice and maybe other people do but.
00:11:55.320 --> 00:12:03.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Most people don't tend to think of cannabis as a psychedelic like when you say a psychedelic sometimes people were thinking LSD mushrooms D empty.
00:12:04.170 --> 00:12:13.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, some of these really high potency things that create a very strong experience um, how do you see cannabis as a psychedelic yeah it's.
00:12:14.040 --> 00:12:24.570 Daniel McQueen: it's those it's those dependent, just like these other medicines are so what happens is people are just smoking recreational levels of dosing and so they're not reaching these psychedelic states.
00:12:24.990 --> 00:12:26.880 Daniel McQueen: And then also set and setting as a major.
00:12:26.880 --> 00:12:28.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: contributor right.
00:12:28.680 --> 00:12:39.960 Daniel McQueen: You know, we can dive into into these things, and then making the blends that I talked about makes it more psychedelic just the quality of the medicine last 510 years you're a New York y'all just legalized.
00:12:40.230 --> 00:12:43.980 Daniel McQueen: Yet, so the quality of the medicine is going to shoot through the roof up there.
00:12:44.010 --> 00:12:44.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In some yeah i'm.
00:12:44.760 --> 00:12:49.590 Daniel McQueen: gonna have more commonly have more psychedelic experiences with this medicine.
00:12:49.980 --> 00:12:58.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right, and so, how long ago, did you did you found a Co found the Center for medicinal mindfulness.
00:12:58.920 --> 00:13:01.440 Daniel McQueen: yeah we just celebrated our 10 year anniversary actually.
00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:02.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh wow.
00:13:02.460 --> 00:13:04.500 Daniel McQueen: Wonderful we've been in this for 10 years.
00:13:04.680 --> 00:13:07.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, and where are you located just so my audience knows.
00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:08.610 Daniel McQueen: In boulder Colorado.
00:13:08.940 --> 00:13:18.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: boulder Colorado wonderful so and I just want to we're going to go to our first break, but I just want to kind of preface the whole conversation we're going to have over the next hour.
00:13:19.110 --> 00:13:25.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: First of all, like we're talking about where this is legalized it's not federally legalized there's still some states where it's not.
00:13:26.790 --> 00:13:30.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Though though I think the majority of States now already has legalized cannabis correct.
00:13:31.470 --> 00:13:33.450 Daniel McQueen: that's right either medically or recreationally.
00:13:33.450 --> 00:13:45.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: efficiently yeah it's something like 35 or 37 states have already made so if it's if it's not legal where you are we are not encouraging anybody to do anything that is illegal or illicit.
00:13:45.660 --> 00:13:58.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This is purely for informational purposes and, and this is really geared towards people who are in a place where they can legally access the substances we're going to talk about today so.
00:13:58.650 --> 00:14:10.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just that little disclaimer I don't want the authorities coming after me, I have to be fully honest, you know I mean these days, you know you have to be careful, anyway, so so let's go on to break and when we come back let's kind of talk about sort of.
00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:24.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The the the difference between cannabis and other forms of psychedelics and sort of how you developed this this program and this this this.
00:14:25.920 --> 00:14:35.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Therapeutic modality, of using cannabis and what's unique about using cannabis as a therapeutic psychedelic modality compared to other things.
00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:46.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, we do this, live every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm Eastern time.
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00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:42.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we're talking with Daniel mcqueen author of the book psychedelic cannabis, so when was there something Daniel.
00:17:42.990 --> 00:18:00.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was it just a progression or was there a specific incident where you kind of got this inspiration of like oh like we can use cannabis, the same way, like people who are doing research on on LSD is assisted therapy or mdma assisted therapy or any of these other psychedelic assisted therapies.
00:18:02.280 --> 00:18:14.460 Daniel McQueen: You know it wasn't one specific moment, it was probably a series of experiences, I think the first time I became aware of cannabis as a psychedelic I was stretching and was i'd smoke some cannabis and was doing some stretching.
00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:24.420 Daniel McQueen: And it was doing a deep next stretch and something in my neck pop a little bit, and I saw it, I like I literally saw a blue lightning bolt go up my spine.
00:18:24.810 --> 00:18:37.770 Daniel McQueen: You know, so it was very clearly like like that was a psychedelic moment surprised me and but you know I had I had real, specific training and different psychedelic modalities, I was trained as an mdm a facilitator.
00:18:38.100 --> 00:18:39.270 Daniel McQueen: And i've worked in other.
00:18:39.510 --> 00:18:46.950 Daniel McQueen: Community settings with these medicines ceremonial settings so I just had a lot of different skill sets that I could bring together.
00:18:47.760 --> 00:18:51.480 Daniel McQueen: I started teaching a harm reduction, a psychedelic harm reduction course and.
00:18:52.140 --> 00:19:08.190 Daniel McQueen: teaching people how to sit for friends and things, and so I was already thinking about these things, and then my friend john was the one who suggested it and I had never considered it, it was right before cannabis became adult use legal in Colorado so like 2013 or something.
00:19:08.550 --> 00:19:13.380 Daniel McQueen: Okay, and um and I was also i'm about to have my first kid you know.
00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:26.580 Daniel McQueen: though my risk profile change pretty substantially what I was open to doing in the world and professionally and I also really like to talk about what I do you know so.
00:19:27.030 --> 00:19:33.060 Daniel McQueen: Being an underground guy just didn't really feel like a viable option, or so we started to just.
00:19:33.660 --> 00:19:44.640 Daniel McQueen: play with it experiment with it we we start, we had some what we call circles, where it was just brought like six friends together in my living room and I just was intuitively drawn to blend the medicine.
00:19:45.330 --> 00:19:52.830 Daniel McQueen: blend different strains to combine different mind states and that had a synergistic effect that was surprising.
00:19:56.070 --> 00:19:56.580 Daniel McQueen: Actually.
00:19:56.760 --> 00:20:01.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I wanted to get into that for just a quick second because a lot of people, I think, have a tendency to think like.
00:20:01.710 --> 00:20:06.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: marijuana is just marijuana is just cannabis is just pot it's all the same.
00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:18.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right what talk for just a little second educate our audience about the different strains because I know I mean i'm not a real expert on it, but I know there were sort of two major strange right there's two TV.
00:20:19.830 --> 00:20:21.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, two families.
00:20:22.050 --> 00:20:24.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But within those there are several strange right.
00:20:24.390 --> 00:20:30.900 Daniel McQueen: yeah I mean hundreds and hundreds, you know, and it has to do with how they're grown and where they're grown and what nutrients and.
00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:42.360 Daniel McQueen: All kinds of issues, you know that affect the quality and then the States that they induce so most of us who are you know coming out of a space where you buy cannabis from a friend.
00:20:42.690 --> 00:20:50.790 Daniel McQueen: or something like that or your neighbor your neighbor dealer whatever, that is, they generally you know, in the back in the day, it would it was just pot, it was just.
00:20:50.790 --> 00:20:54.150 Daniel McQueen: Right just one thing, and it was pretty low quality.
00:20:54.600 --> 00:21:08.070 Daniel McQueen: It was pressed in the bricks and smelled like skunk and things like that right, so there was just one available or and then sometimes you get really stoned and sometimes you get real you know and sedated and other times you get high and.
00:21:08.490 --> 00:21:14.070 Daniel McQueen: Anxious and things so just the quality of the medicine is now radically different.
00:21:14.130 --> 00:21:26.250 Daniel McQueen: So I can go down to the dispensary here in boulder and get organic high quality cannabis that has very high thc content and what we call it chirpy.
00:21:26.280 --> 00:21:32.520 Daniel McQueen: profile a real, specific Turkey profile and what that means is it just smells a certain way, so.
00:21:33.360 --> 00:21:35.670 Daniel McQueen: The medicine smell like pine needles some.
00:21:35.670 --> 00:21:38.580 Daniel McQueen: smelling lemon some smell like rich Earth.
00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:44.040 Daniel McQueen: You know mangoes are our black peppers and things like that and.
00:21:44.370 --> 00:21:47.250 Daniel McQueen: Each of these different turpin profiles have a different.
00:21:47.280 --> 00:21:48.120 Daniel McQueen: Mind state.
00:21:48.150 --> 00:21:57.720 Daniel McQueen: associated with it and that's basically in these three categories which we call indicates to us in the middle category, which we call like hybrid middle of the road.
00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:03.360 Daniel McQueen: Between the two so Steve is a very uplifting and energetic, but they can induce anxiety.
00:22:03.810 --> 00:22:04.770 Daniel McQueen: right because are.
00:22:04.830 --> 00:22:10.050 Daniel McQueen: Like body amplify our body awareness does help us relax or sleep.
00:22:10.740 --> 00:22:12.660 Daniel McQueen: But they can be kind of dialing.
00:22:12.750 --> 00:22:13.410 Daniel McQueen: In the mind.
00:22:14.610 --> 00:22:25.530 Daniel McQueen: What I found is, if you combine the two together like good quality medicine and you combine those two together the indycar takes the anxiety out of the city and leaves the amplified mind state.
00:22:25.650 --> 00:22:33.240 Daniel McQueen: And the tivo takes this sedate of doll qualities of indigo out and leaves a deeply relaxed.
00:22:33.510 --> 00:22:35.910 Daniel McQueen: amplified somatic awareness.
00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:46.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, when you work with with the medicine is it is it a edible form, is it is it you're vaporizing or smoking, how do you typically like to work with it.
00:22:47.880 --> 00:23:01.860 Daniel McQueen: Oh well, you get the good turpin profiles it's a smoked or vapor vaporize raw flour what you know what I found is just like good clean rob you know, like flowers, instead of an oil or concentrate is the best.
00:23:02.730 --> 00:23:06.990 Daniel McQueen: You know, we work in an office setting, so we have special vaporizer that reduces.
00:23:07.050 --> 00:23:07.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: well.
00:23:08.130 --> 00:23:22.320 Daniel McQueen: And it also is better on lunch than than using a pipe you know regular glass pipe or something like that edibles are great but they're they're higher a higher chance of increasing the negative side effects like it's easier to.
00:23:22.320 --> 00:23:23.820 Daniel McQueen: overdo it on an edible.
00:23:24.150 --> 00:23:29.340 Daniel McQueen: And that's what causes the paranoia or anxiety or the knowledge just take a little too much.
00:23:30.150 --> 00:23:31.440 Daniel McQueen: You know, as people can smoke.
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.650 Daniel McQueen: anti-trade it, you know they just smart until they get enough.
00:23:35.730 --> 00:23:40.470 Daniel McQueen: And you know they're you know they're not super strong doses it's more about the blend and everything but it's.
00:23:40.470 --> 00:23:43.620 Daniel McQueen: been can take a pretty good amount to get into the States.
00:23:43.770 --> 00:23:48.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And what have you found like like in terms of the healing aspect of it.
00:23:49.440 --> 00:24:07.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As well as sort of the self exploration aspect like what sort of early indications, did you get from working with people that like this was a real viable option for for creating tremendous healing from trauma, because I know that's a big part of your work, you talk a lot about it.
00:24:07.560 --> 00:24:19.590 Daniel McQueen: yeah you know, so we all have trauma right and some some of us it's like extreme trauma like ptsd and such, but we all, you know we all carry some degree of difficult life experience it's just the nature of being human.
00:24:20.520 --> 00:24:36.240 Daniel McQueen: Right so it's it's similar to psilocybin and that it's visual individual experiences and things so people have religious or spiritual experiences on the medicine, but what I found is that it's very similar to like a plant based mdma.
00:24:36.600 --> 00:24:52.740 Daniel McQueen: So, so all the research on mdma assisted psychotherapy for the treatment of trauma and ptsd it translates to cannabis and and there's two mechanisms that seem to happen this one increases our ability to recall difficult memories.
00:24:52.950 --> 00:24:55.590 Daniel McQueen: so that they can be reevaluated and explore.
00:24:55.890 --> 00:24:56.910 Daniel McQueen: But in a safe.
00:24:56.910 --> 00:25:01.230 Daniel McQueen: container you know cannabis helps you feel okay and safe like mdma does.
00:25:01.560 --> 00:25:07.470 Daniel McQueen: not mean so there's a there's a neurological thing occurring and then make dylan hippocampus things.
00:25:08.310 --> 00:25:20.130 Daniel McQueen: Where where people have a life review and memory recall process and the other thing that happens with cannabis at specifically around trauma resolution is that it relaxes the body and reduces inflammation and.
00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:29.280 Daniel McQueen: In our muscles and tendons and by affecting the endocannabinoid system that it people literally shake out their trauma.
00:25:30.510 --> 00:25:35.490 Daniel McQueen: Like their body will tremble shake vibrate or they'll twitch and things and session.
00:25:36.150 --> 00:25:44.700 Daniel McQueen: And that's a that's very similar to like somatic experiencing and other trauma resolution therapies and also very common and mdma therapy.
00:25:44.790 --> 00:25:56.580 Daniel McQueen: So on so there's just it just directly impacts, the neural pathways and, like the tension held in the body, where we where we physically hold her injuries and our terms.
00:25:56.730 --> 00:26:09.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right yeah i've also heard that like and a lot of people use the analogy of like an animal when a gazelle is being chased by a lion in the wild once it gets away it shakes.
00:26:09.150 --> 00:26:14.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because it shakes trauma and then it's fine and then it acts like you know it doesn't do it so.
00:26:14.370 --> 00:26:15.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When you're shaking.
00:26:16.110 --> 00:26:19.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's like that's the nervous systems shaking off the trauma.
00:26:20.070 --> 00:26:30.570 Daniel McQueen: Right and then and then as humans were taught that like shaking is a sign a weakness or like you shouldn't do that you know you're you know, like don't show emotion or.
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:40.020 Daniel McQueen: or worry things like that, so people will tighten up instead of shake it out like so, and so what that happens, is it gets stuck in the body.
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:50.100 Daniel McQueen: And you know acute situation like car accident or something you know, like that that can be enough, you know, but sometimes trauma comes from having to hold a little bit at a time like a.
00:26:50.400 --> 00:27:00.360 Daniel McQueen: developmental concern growing up or being an abusive or an unhealthy relationship or or just going to work environment that just is like constantly and.
00:27:00.840 --> 00:27:07.110 Daniel McQueen: trump what we call a trauma field like hospital settings or you know working as a police officer fire.
00:27:07.410 --> 00:27:22.080 Daniel McQueen: fighter things like that you know where you're just constantly exposed to difficult experiences and you gotta toughen up and not show that you're you know you're have a big emotional experience you know you know hard fashion right like empathy for another person's pain.
00:27:23.250 --> 00:27:33.810 Daniel McQueen: That stuff builds up in the system and the cannabis allows for that to be released and and for people to break through that and return to you know what you're describing the heart centered space in.
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:35.490 Daniel McQueen: Our hearts.
00:27:36.300 --> 00:27:37.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: i'm wonderful.
00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:44.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I think i'd rather I think i'd like to break now just because it's a good point I would like to when we come back from break.
00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:55.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Talk about what's unique about using cannabis like like it's you know what's different about it what's the same like like what are some of the considerations that regardless of.
00:27:57.060 --> 00:28:05.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The type of psychedelic medicine you work with what are some of the same considerations in what's unique and what's a different consideration working with cannabis OK, Daniel.
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:16.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely wonderful and I see loyal listeners patty and sanai also checking in today glad you can join us, I did post a link to the book in the Facebook live.
00:28:16.950 --> 00:28:26.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So everyone, please stay tuned when we come back we're going to dive a little bit more into it and I do want to circle around to this dmx project and what's that all about.
00:28:26.790 --> 00:28:36.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we'll also talk more about his Center Center for medical mindfulness so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we're talking with.
00:28:36.840 --> 00:28:42.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Daniel mcqueen author of the book psychedelic cannabis and we'll be right back after these messages.
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00:30:50.670 --> 00:31:08.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity so quick quick correction it's the Center for medicinal mindfulness not medical mindfulness excuse me so Daniel what's unique about using cannabis as a psychedelic therapy and what's.
00:31:10.050 --> 00:31:15.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The same what a similar considerations from other substances or.
00:31:15.810 --> 00:31:23.550 Daniel McQueen: You know a lot of my clients describe it is for those who've taken I Alaska or taken silla Simon they describe it as wow that was just as.
00:31:23.970 --> 00:31:42.420 Daniel McQueen: Powerful as my ios good journey or my psilocybin journey and it's not uncommon for people to even go into states that are similar to smoking in India empty, you know it, unlike higher doses, and such and with That being said, though, like I said it's like a pathogen.
00:31:43.530 --> 00:31:58.530 Daniel McQueen: Similar to mdma so there's a greater sense of agency with cannabis, especially when you smoke it then with these other medicines, so, for example, if you, you know if you take psilocybin you know you can't really take a break from the experience to go.
00:31:58.530 --> 00:31:59.610 Daniel McQueen: To a restaurant or something.
00:31:59.610 --> 00:32:11.940 Daniel McQueen: Right, like our smoke the empty you're in it for a little while with cannabis, you can simply take your eye covering off and sit up and you'll be really high, but you'll you'll get a chance to take a break from the inner psychedelic state.
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:24.810 Daniel McQueen: not really sure why that is, but it's a fascinating and it's also you know nice to be able to slow it down and tight rate, when necessary, so we call cannabis that consensual psychedelic.
00:32:25.020 --> 00:32:38.100 Daniel McQueen: You can go into these deep psychedelic states where you dissolve your ego and all of that, but you get to choose every step of the way to go into it and pace yourself, and I think that's one of the primary differences.
00:32:38.520 --> 00:32:48.600 Daniel McQueen: You know so as a therapeutic tool, you know a lot of people have had you know have trauma and ptsd because they had an experience, where they lost their sense of agency.
00:32:49.200 --> 00:33:04.050 Daniel McQueen: And so reclaiming your healing in terms that work for you in a way that you consent to as opposed to being like thrust into like some psychedelics do um it's it's a really nice therapeutic tool for that reason.
00:33:05.370 --> 00:33:12.840 Daniel McQueen: It feels safer in that way it doesn't mean it's less than other psychedelics but that, but that is one of the primary differences.
00:33:13.080 --> 00:33:21.720 Daniel McQueen: Mostly when you smoke it like if you were to take a high dose edible you know really big edible that would be more like silla Simon where you're just like thrown into it.
00:33:23.370 --> 00:33:30.780 Daniel McQueen: You know the other, the other one, I would say is that it's like it's very somatic whereas most psychedelics might take you out of the body.
00:33:31.350 --> 00:33:39.480 Daniel McQueen: Unless you intentionally choose to turn inward into the body cannabis brings you right into the body and that's where drama store.
00:33:39.810 --> 00:33:40.710 Daniel McQueen: Right so.
00:33:40.860 --> 00:33:46.320 Daniel McQueen: You can learn to turn towards and release the tensions that we hold air or the emotional.
00:33:46.350 --> 00:33:47.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: tensions, even though we hold.
00:33:47.790 --> 00:33:55.200 Daniel McQueen: In our bodies, I found that that to be really essential and and helpful from the trauma but.
00:33:56.310 --> 00:34:00.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What are the challenges and working with cannabis as a psychedelic therapy.
00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:05.940 Daniel McQueen: You know the sessions themselves are really wonderful.
00:34:06.630 --> 00:34:22.530 Daniel McQueen: And the challenges are more about like the this belief that cannabis can be using a psychedelic you know, so we have to, we have to work with people and do a lot of education or or break through a lot of the misunderstandings of cannabis, as the gateway drug or.
00:34:22.650 --> 00:34:31.230 Daniel McQueen: know a lot of the old stuff of the war on drugs so like suicide and mdma are having their moment and like you know everybody's.
00:34:31.560 --> 00:34:41.040 Daniel McQueen: Really gung Ho with these medicines, people are still real hesitant around cannabis as a psychedelic you know so i've organized the team of researchers to.
00:34:41.520 --> 00:34:49.950 Daniel McQueen: Research cannabis as a psychedelic medicine for therapeutic work so we're working to help break through those misunderstandings, but i'd say.
00:34:50.220 --> 00:34:59.910 Daniel McQueen: More often than not it's more about what people's expectations are than the actual experience itself in some ways, cannabis is a wonderful medicine to work with.
00:35:01.080 --> 00:35:01.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: i'm.
00:35:03.210 --> 00:35:08.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just curious like for those people who say well you know i've been smoking pot, since I was a kid and.
00:35:09.510 --> 00:35:18.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: i've never really had that deep healing experience well how is what you do, how do you get that to that deeper experience for people.
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:32.760 Daniel McQueen: yeah so again the medicine, we smoke as kids or young adults it's just different than it is now, you know, so I would I would check in around like How long have you been smoking, or when was the last time you smoke, was it 510 20 years ago.
00:35:33.120 --> 00:35:37.560 Daniel McQueen: And just know that the medicine itself is very different than it was then and.
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:47.700 Daniel McQueen: And set and setting you know, the quality of the medicine is very important, and there are people who smoke cannabis and listen, you know lay in their.
00:35:48.510 --> 00:36:00.630 Daniel McQueen: reclining chair and listen to good music and things and I know a lot of meditation instructors got their start early in the 60s and 70s, you know became the rope of professors that.
00:36:00.750 --> 00:36:08.670 Daniel McQueen: Their first awakening experiences on cannabis, but because of these misunderstandings or the again this kind of glitch in our psyche we.
00:36:08.730 --> 00:36:10.560 Daniel McQueen: We sometimes minimize.
00:36:10.590 --> 00:36:14.400 Daniel McQueen: The impact the positive impact that cannabis, has had in our lives.
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:30.030 Daniel McQueen: So I would say it's just about dosage and right set and setting and you know mentioning my book, I tell you exactly how to do it because I think it's very important that we address systemic trauma and large scale trauma as soon as possible.
00:36:30.270 --> 00:36:30.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:36:30.600 --> 00:36:33.330 Daniel McQueen: Right urge you to follow the instructions in the book and.
00:36:33.600 --> 00:36:34.320 Daniel McQueen: give it a try.
00:36:35.160 --> 00:36:45.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah we can't we can't give away all the secrets in the book, you have to come by the book I did a post a link again it's it's psychedelic cannabis and you can get the book like everywhere right it's on.
00:36:45.570 --> 00:36:47.850 Daniel McQueen: Amazon and bookstores and stuff too so.
00:36:47.910 --> 00:36:48.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right.
00:36:48.630 --> 00:36:50.880 Daniel McQueen: On inner traditions with me.
00:36:51.180 --> 00:36:55.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah inner traditions wonderful publisher if I had a lot of the great offers on the show.
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:02.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: um yeah Maybe you can give us, could you give us an example like you know not breaking you know.
00:37:03.150 --> 00:37:20.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: client the practitioner privilege or anything to just kind of generalize like what are some of the like healing experiences you've seen clients go through that kind of highlight to you sort of the benefits of this as a cannabis as a medicine.
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:42.480 Daniel McQueen: Sure, I think i'm some that stand out, I was working with a gentleman who was with his friend who was it died in a bike bike accident, you know and, and so the trump you know trauma of trying to save his friend and, like the guilt associated with being there and.
00:37:44.100 --> 00:37:47.280 Daniel McQueen: It was just a difficult experience obviously for him.
00:37:47.640 --> 00:37:58.380 Daniel McQueen: yeah and so and so he you know, in his questions weren't just about the experience on the trauma resolution he wasn't just coming for that he was looking for an existential answer of.
00:37:58.710 --> 00:38:10.710 Daniel McQueen: Does his friends still exist in some way in some capacity, and so we were able to, with the help of this medicine actually go through the whole experience and the memory of.
00:38:10.950 --> 00:38:19.350 Daniel McQueen: What happened, how it happened just step by step by step, and the the resolution the turning towards a difficult.
00:38:19.710 --> 00:38:34.950 Daniel McQueen: memory and experience does something in the brain that helps put it in the right place, and so the trauma symptoms that cause what we would call ptsd get reduced you know it's just everything gets kind of reset.
00:38:35.430 --> 00:38:45.060 Daniel McQueen: And, but he he went deeper than that and was able to drop into this space of connecting with the cycle of life death and rebirth.
00:38:45.450 --> 00:38:49.320 Daniel McQueen: And the Karma you know the karmic influences that we all hold.
00:38:49.650 --> 00:39:04.980 Daniel McQueen: And he realized that he and his friend had made agreements and previous lifetimes that they are going to play so hard that sometimes they just died in the process of playing so hard you know, and that that that he was he is in his friend are still connected and.
00:39:05.310 --> 00:39:11.700 Daniel McQueen: In the question became it wasn't where his friend was, but he found out where when his friend was.
00:39:12.030 --> 00:39:23.430 Daniel McQueen: And then he was able to react this all the memories all the positive memories of his of his relationship with his friend and was just able to reconnect with his friend in that way you know.
00:39:24.060 --> 00:39:38.220 Daniel McQueen: So it's like a combination of like resolution of trauma but also like existential deep understanding of life, meaning kind of things you know, and not just think about it or wonder about it, but to have like a direct experience.
00:39:38.250 --> 00:39:38.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There and.
00:39:39.150 --> 00:39:39.420 Daniel McQueen: You know.
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:44.850 Daniel McQueen: So that was a really deeply meaningful moment my my life, you know, like to.
00:39:44.850 --> 00:39:46.650 Daniel McQueen: witness these experiences i'm.
00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:50.730 Daniel McQueen: i'm deeply impacted and move by them honored to be part of that.
00:39:50.730 --> 00:39:58.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Space right right, what did there's an old expression from from what I learned energy medicine, which is give a healing get a healing you know.
00:39:59.490 --> 00:40:07.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah yeah like every time we help somebody through some traumatic experience it's actually very healing for ourselves as practitioners.
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:08.790 Daniel McQueen: You know.
00:40:09.120 --> 00:40:14.640 Daniel McQueen: um it's amazing how mirrors in our lives in that way it's like this personal energetic phenomenon.
00:40:15.210 --> 00:40:24.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right, what does it would have been maybe some of the challenging experiences of you working with it as a as a as a therapeutic medicine.
00:40:26.670 --> 00:40:32.010 Daniel McQueen: I would say the most challenging experiences are staying in contact you know again that heart.
00:40:32.040 --> 00:40:40.890 Daniel McQueen: Open centered space staying in contact with someone who's describing the most horrific experience that they've ever had.
00:40:41.640 --> 00:40:58.170 Daniel McQueen: or an experience as a child, you know of abuse or or or something like that you know so like staying in contact with deep grief deep trauma deep injury to bear witness to be with that and to not shut down yourself, you know, and I.
00:40:58.470 --> 00:41:03.450 Daniel McQueen: I think that's a that's a skill set, you know that requires real practice and.
00:41:03.870 --> 00:41:18.720 Daniel McQueen: And and and sometimes the difficult memories that they shared like this mirroring process occurs that it just somehow lines up with something in our own lives that's very personal and important in our own lives, so it becomes a real personal.
00:41:19.050 --> 00:41:20.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: pretty quickly sometimes.
00:41:21.390 --> 00:41:33.900 Daniel McQueen: And so you know I have talked about in the book a little bit, but you know as a guide I teach people how to stay in contact with her own experience and not shut down and associate when they're hearing some difficult from.
00:41:34.140 --> 00:41:39.990 Daniel McQueen: From a client and stuff so and then there's a lot of self care that comes after these experiences.
00:41:40.020 --> 00:41:43.470 Daniel McQueen: Yes, make sure we stay, you know, in a good space.
00:41:43.830 --> 00:41:57.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right yeah I mean one of the things that I always promote is just the idea of integration that after we've had this deep experience it's really how we take it into our daily lives, how do we take it into.
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:07.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know the day to day life afterwards, and not just have it be some some wonderful experience that we experience on the weekend and Monday comes and we're just back into.
00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:08.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A multi right.
00:42:09.330 --> 00:42:10.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah right.
00:42:10.230 --> 00:42:15.510 Daniel McQueen: Right transitions I would say i'm a you know, like I practice transitions these days is.
00:42:15.720 --> 00:42:19.200 Daniel McQueen: Always discovering something about myself and these sessions that requires.
00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:22.830 Daniel McQueen: me changing something fundamental about how I live my life.
00:42:23.190 --> 00:42:26.670 Daniel McQueen: And you know you don't do that right you don't integrate then that starts to.
00:42:26.670 --> 00:42:32.340 Daniel McQueen: pile up and cause like an inner stress zombie and constant transition and.
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:33.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: transformation with this.
00:42:33.720 --> 00:42:35.190 Daniel McQueen: Work absolutely.
00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:44.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I see William on the Facebook live asks if he had addictions, when he was young, would it bring it back he's been sober for 24 years.
00:42:44.790 --> 00:42:57.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I guess you know he's probably stayed away from substances for a long time and wanted to know you know some concern around well if i'm working with substances now like could that bring back these old bad habits.
00:42:59.730 --> 00:43:07.320 Daniel McQueen: Not necessarily, but it would be something in our Center we would be really checking in with the person making sure they're ready.
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.080 Daniel McQueen: What we found you know so cannabis can be used to escape, just like alcohol and other drugs.
00:43:13.770 --> 00:43:29.340 Daniel McQueen: Like cannabis in the right setting can be used to heal the trauma that caused the addictions, in the first place so through education and having you know, and if there's like acute issues with addiction, we would be inviting them to work with an addictions counselor.
00:43:30.180 --> 00:43:32.550 Daniel McQueen: To engage and shift habits and things but.
00:43:32.850 --> 00:43:37.770 Daniel McQueen: That working with medicine psychedelic medicines can be an addiction healing tool.
00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:41.700 Daniel McQueen: And it's in the literature, now I you know people are going to ios.
00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:43.650 Daniel McQueen: ceremonies to help with the addiction or.
00:43:44.010 --> 00:43:54.720 Daniel McQueen: or suicide, and you know for the you know getting off of tobacco addictions, and things so it's in the literature and in cannabis can be used in the same way, even with cannabis addiction.
00:43:55.230 --> 00:44:04.530 Daniel McQueen: And what we found is that people who are using to cope, you know daily to cope can use our skill sets to then turn towards and heal.
00:44:04.950 --> 00:44:19.770 Daniel McQueen: What they're using the medicine to cope with and then they start to just use less naturally it's like very simple process it almost doesn't even require a conversation, but we don't minimize addiction issues you know, we want to.
00:44:19.770 --> 00:44:22.080 Daniel McQueen: honor that there you know there's some real struggles.
00:44:22.500 --> 00:44:38.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I would say, like that's one of the importance of working with a facilitator, you know, working with a guide who's helping you through the process not doing it on your own right it's it's you know when we're doing things on our own, we have it, we can easily sort of fall into old.
00:44:39.330 --> 00:44:43.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: habits, but we're working with a guide they're keeping an eye towards that.
00:44:43.470 --> 00:44:49.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To help to keep us from just checking out or just just going in that direction right.
00:44:50.430 --> 00:45:02.580 Daniel McQueen: yeah absolutely and then sometimes these big experiences to heal and addiction, can be a really big experience you know so having you know facing something that's hard or whatnot you know, having support I highly recommend it.
00:45:02.910 --> 00:45:05.520 Daniel McQueen: Not everybody can afford a guide and I and.
00:45:05.520 --> 00:45:07.710 Daniel McQueen: Again, another reason why I wrote my book, but.
00:45:07.950 --> 00:45:10.440 Daniel McQueen: Their integration groups online now.
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:20.850 Daniel McQueen: inexpensive ways to get support using psychedelics so I highly recommend doing cannabis or other psychedelic medicines within some sort of Community structure.
00:45:21.240 --> 00:45:30.900 Daniel McQueen: yum and if you're working to heal something significant you know mental health concern that significant and I would recommend getting some support with somebody who really knows how to.
00:45:31.680 --> 00:45:32.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: deal with it.
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:45.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: absolutely essential essential okay time for us to take our last break time flies when you're having fun when we come back, I want to ask you about the dmx program and what that was the GMT.
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00:45:47.790 --> 00:45:54.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: program excuse me and and where you see the future going with with with cannabis as a psychedelic okay.
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00:48:05.640 --> 00:48:14.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we've been speaking this hour with Daniel mcqueen author of the book psychedelic cannabis.
00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:33.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: therapeutic methods and unique blends to treat trauma and transform consciousness, so we have been talking a lot about the the healing trauma side of things, what about using it as just sort of a personal exploration sort of spiritual practice type of medicine.
00:48:35.100 --> 00:48:45.360 Daniel McQueen: is really great for that so like was silla Simon and the other big medicines, you really shouldn't be taken them all the time, you know and there's a lot of debate on how often but.
00:48:45.750 --> 00:48:55.530 Daniel McQueen: You know, some people do a few sessions in a week and that sort of thing but doing it every week or every month it's just too much and so it's like an event as opposed to a practice in.
00:48:55.710 --> 00:49:01.890 Daniel McQueen: right if you're doing in a good way, and you can have, as can be used safely every week every other week as a psychedelic.
00:49:02.190 --> 00:49:18.600 Daniel McQueen: medicine to in it's a shorter experience, be a three hour vs eight to 10 or all night, you know so it's just physically easier to engage and, and so I like the creative problem you know who who hasn't smoke pot and gotten a really good idea right.
00:49:19.530 --> 00:49:29.580 Daniel McQueen: So we've just created protocol around that to really amplify that creative Problem Solving process, and so I get really good ideas I guidance on how to run my program I get.
00:49:30.090 --> 00:49:38.520 Daniel McQueen: Export you know, like ideas on how to build new programs and projects and things and how to resolve problems and questions and my life.
00:49:39.120 --> 00:49:52.350 Daniel McQueen: So there's just a real practical aspect, but it does induce these like transcendent states where you get to travel into what you would consider like the spirit realm you know similar to D amp T or psilocybin.
00:49:52.740 --> 00:50:02.460 Daniel McQueen: and explore the nature of reality or me aspects of self or are beings that field, you know, bigger than us, you know or.
00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:16.860 Daniel McQueen: States of being that are transcendent blissful you know so it's just you know just like any psychedelic medicine can be used for spiritual exploration, I really like the problem solving like this straight up practical problem solving it's really helped me.
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:29.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah I know, like in the tech industry in general in California, they use a lot of different psychedelic substances to help with like very intricate technical problem solving challenges.
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:30.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I see.
00:50:30.450 --> 00:50:31.290 Daniel McQueen: Micro dosing.
00:50:31.590 --> 00:50:32.340 Yes.
00:50:34.200 --> 00:50:43.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I see some eye on the Facebook live asks do you find that more companies and employers are starting to shift and be more acceptable of cannabis therapeutic.
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:52.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: more acceptable cannabis therapeutics spiritual use, so I guess there are things do you see things kind of shifting in the business world around it.
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:58.680 Daniel McQueen: yeah i've actually facilitated circles for different business communities and things, as you know, like just.
00:50:59.220 --> 00:51:09.060 Daniel McQueen: Like a Community development process, you know, so you know you know, maybe more progressive or in the cannabis industry but we're starting to see it in tech industries as well um.
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:19.080 Daniel McQueen: You know, and then the drug testing with cannabis as it's becoming more and more legal you know most companies just don't want you smoking pot on going and working right.
00:51:19.140 --> 00:51:24.480 Daniel McQueen: Right, so you know professional programs aren't doing cannabis testing generally or.
00:51:24.510 --> 00:51:29.040 Daniel McQueen: yeah or even if they are it's just unspoken rule that if no big deal.
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:45.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah I just saw I saw someone tweeted that in New Jersey, where it just got legalized that they've now the New Jersey police forces, made it okay for police officers to use cannabis off hours.
00:51:45.600 --> 00:51:46.470 Daniel McQueen: off started to.
00:51:46.500 --> 00:51:51.390 Daniel McQueen: i've started to see these things as well and other places, so that's a huge deal that's yeah.
00:51:51.450 --> 00:51:54.330 Daniel McQueen: I mean that's really a huge deal, and I think it would be good for.
00:51:54.360 --> 00:52:03.210 Daniel McQueen: for police officers to use off duty to help you know again to help shake out that trauma that they they receive every day.
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.540 Daniel McQueen: ptsd and the police forces are real big deal and.
00:52:06.630 --> 00:52:08.430 Daniel McQueen: yeah my my father in law.
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:11.010 Daniel McQueen: was a police officer and.
00:52:11.070 --> 00:52:14.340 Daniel McQueen: retired early because ptsd so.
00:52:14.370 --> 00:52:16.380 Daniel McQueen: yeah it's it's a big problem and.
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:16.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Anything I.
00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:19.140 Daniel McQueen: do to help the officers would be great.
00:52:19.560 --> 00:52:25.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely absolutely and I know, like in general that the police force get a lot of bad press of these days.
00:52:26.250 --> 00:52:34.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But I think people tend to forget that it's a very high stress job I mean you're literally putting your life on the line every time you go out.
00:52:34.410 --> 00:52:49.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and yeah there's a lot of trauma, I mean there's a lot of things that police officer see on a daily basis that most of us never experienced in our life and that's something they can really use it for okay before we run out of time, I have to ask you what is the dmc X Program.
00:52:50.730 --> 00:52:57.750 Daniel McQueen: yeah D mdx it's extended state D amp D program so a couple of scientists, Dr gallin more ranger Gala more and.
00:52:58.590 --> 00:53:17.010 Daniel McQueen: rick strassmann who is known for bringing the empty back into the research environments, they decide they figured out a way to extend and stabilize the typical four or five minute D amp T state to something that can be much longer using special medical equipment.
00:53:17.100 --> 00:53:18.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, and as.
00:53:18.270 --> 00:53:24.450 Daniel McQueen: Like in and formulas that like anesthesiologists us to keep people.
00:53:24.540 --> 00:53:30.120 Daniel McQueen: Under sedated so instead of sedating them they put them in a dmc T state keep.
00:53:31.350 --> 00:53:37.590 Daniel McQueen: So i've just been super inspired by this idea and then started a program to bring it into a retreat environment.
00:53:37.620 --> 00:53:48.990 Daniel McQueen: And so right now we're working with the empty manufacturers in Canada retreat centers in Jamaica and trying to fit all the all the puzzle pieces together to be able to do this work.
00:53:50.700 --> 00:54:05.130 Daniel McQueen: And so, if you can imagine being in a you know, like so like a hyper dimensional otherworldly state for an extended period set of just getting a flash of the experience you get to play and reorient and kind of try to figure out what's really going on.
00:54:05.610 --> 00:54:08.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: wow wow that sounds really fascinating I can't.
00:54:08.730 --> 00:54:24.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: wait to see what kind of results, come from that and and sort of like the long term effects of being able to do that, so I would love to when you when you have some some results to publish or talk about i'd love to have you back on and talk.
00:54:24.900 --> 00:54:26.340 Daniel McQueen: about it would be great yeah.
00:54:26.700 --> 00:54:28.740 Daniel McQueen: yeah my passion projects for sure.
00:54:29.070 --> 00:54:35.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful um So what does the future hold for the Center for medicinal mindfulness.
00:54:36.210 --> 00:54:47.190 Daniel McQueen: Will we're training, as many people as we can to do this work to help spread this capacity for healing in the US and Canada it's we're starting to make headway into.
00:54:48.240 --> 00:54:49.950 Daniel McQueen: Europe and even in Israel.
00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:51.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: where people are starting to.
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:51.750 Daniel McQueen: Do this work.
00:54:52.080 --> 00:54:52.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Why not.
00:54:52.830 --> 00:54:54.690 Daniel McQueen: You know I think the future is in group.
00:54:55.290 --> 00:54:57.870 Daniel McQueen: psychedelic therapy is much more affordable.
00:54:58.200 --> 00:55:11.370 Daniel McQueen: Cannabis is a really great tool for that so we're starting to to facilitate small groups for trauma resolution, my wife is a psycho therapist and we have a medical doctor on staff here and so that's really my growth edge and.
00:55:11.370 --> 00:55:12.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: exploration is you.
00:55:12.720 --> 00:55:14.400 Daniel McQueen: bring it into group settings.
00:55:14.700 --> 00:55:16.950 Daniel McQueen: Just to increase the accessibility of.
00:55:17.790 --> 00:55:19.500 Daniel McQueen: This work and these medicines.
00:55:19.530 --> 00:55:32.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah absolutely i'm a big believer in the group experience because, especially sort of an interactive group experience, because most of our trauma or, if not all of our trauma is from our experiences with other people.
00:55:32.730 --> 00:55:37.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that's right, so why wouldn't our healing be more effective when it's with other people.
00:55:37.980 --> 00:55:40.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So It just seems to make sense for me so.
00:55:41.070 --> 00:55:48.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Daniel if if people want to learn more about your programs, by the way the trainings is that in person only or is that online.
00:55:48.600 --> 00:55:58.920 Daniel McQueen: We have a hybrid program now covert force this online and now we're cutting back into in person, so we're keeping the hybrid model so it's we have an online and in person options.
00:55:59.190 --> 00:56:03.090 Daniel McQueen: When people we do circles, with people from all over the US and Canada.
00:56:03.120 --> 00:56:04.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like oh wonderful.
00:56:04.620 --> 00:56:05.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful okay so.
00:56:05.640 --> 00:56:12.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If people want to learn more about the Center for medicinal mindfulness and about your work where can they find you where should they go.
00:56:12.660 --> 00:56:24.690 Daniel McQueen: medicinal mindfulness.org is our as our Center website and psychedelics sitters school.org is our training program and you can access it all by just googling medicinal mindfulness will show up.
00:56:24.810 --> 00:56:30.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I put the link to medicinal mindfulness.org into the Facebook live.
00:56:30.930 --> 00:56:38.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Daniel Thank you so much, and of course the book psychedelic cannabis available in all the major booksellers if you're interested in it.
00:56:38.730 --> 00:56:50.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: he's got everything in here the very detailed I really good book I highly recommend it Daniel Thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show i'd love to stay in contact with you.
00:56:50.550 --> 00:56:52.110 Daniel McQueen: Absolutely Thank you so much, Sam.
00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:53.790 Daniel McQueen: you're welcome happy to be here.
00:56:54.450 --> 00:57:03.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Great great wonderful and thank you, my loyal listeners, especially hit all those who've been commenting and asking questions on the Facebook live I so appreciate you all.
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