Being a leader is more than just being in a position of authority. It is about how you inspire and motivate those around you.
How a leader shows up in the world can either uplift people, or cause them to walk away.
Our guest this week is the Executive Producer of TalkRadio.nyc, Sam Liebowitz, who has been in a business leader for the past 28 years. He has experience in industries as diverse as Aerospace to Entertainment, and has been known as The Conscious Consultant for the past 15 years.
We'll talk about the difference between just being an entrepreneur and being a conscious entrepreneur, and what that means for your business and the world at large.
Tune in for this insightful conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.
Graham Dobbin opens the show by how we can take control of ourselves and decide whether or not we are fit to be a leader. He introduces the episode’s guest, Sam Liebowitz, who is the executive producer of TalkRadio.nyc. He explains the meaning behind “Conscious Consultant”, explaining that a spiritual journey and healing powers turned him away from being focused on strategic paths for business, but rather on consciousness. Sam continues to explain how his work ethic in previous job positions in corporations and entrepreneurship gave him the tools to begin teaching classes on creating your own businesses and, eventually, becoming a business coach.
The next segment opens with the topic of public speaking and how some may conquer a fear or aversion to speaking before audiences. Sam continues to explain the importance of removing the stigma behind making mistakes, saying that they are an important element of growth and learning. The conversations continue to cover the significance behind understanding the concept of one’s energy and how practical it may be. Energy can be seen on a day-to-day basis and one’s energy can change the way that they are perceived by others.
The next segment begins with Sam describing his ideal client, those who may not identify as “spiritual” but are open to the concept of new belief systems that they may realize through his consultation. He describes his frustrations surrounding health services, comparing “modern” medicines to what’s considered “alternative medicine”, like holistic and spiritual healing, and how the “alternative” choice is essentially traditional. He describes how “enlightened self interest” helps the world as a whole, citing the pandemic as a lesson that one persons health affects everyone’s health. He goes on to discuss his new book, “Everyday Awakening”, containing a series of essays that he has been working on for the past six year, in which he aims to shift people’s perspectives to prove that we are the creators of our own lives.
The final segment opens with a conversation about giving your own power away and the importance of how our society needs to evolve, providing people with a better way of doing things. It is important that situations and decisions feel right to you in your body, due to the fact that our body is much more intelligent than we may believe. Sam speaks about the four archetypal aspects, and how they represent four aspects of our being. Different situations lead to a human needing to be in touch with these different aspects and when it is appropriate to be present in one or the other. He closes by giving tips to those who may be curious to begin their path to spirituality, explaining that being present to the truth of what is in front of us. He emphasizes that “life happens for us, not to us”, saying that this will help us to keep moving forward in an inspired way.
00:00:34.860 --> 00:00:48.720 Graham Dobbin: Welcome to the mind behind leadership live here on talk radio dot nyc it's Thursday evening, my name is Graham dobbin and every week, we talked with influencers from all different walks of life, how this sure.
00:00:49.170 --> 00:00:58.860 Graham Dobbin: Why, we need them in our lives and anything to conversation kind of gets to the responsibility will how, when we influence others, or we are influenced ourselves.
00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:10.140 Graham Dobbin: And the what leadership is overused at times now everybody wants to be a leader and there's many people in that position, who probably shouldn't be we're going to kind of explore that this evening.
00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:15.630 Graham Dobbin: And we've all got responsibility to ourselves and others to lead and be led in the right way.
00:01:15.960 --> 00:01:26.880 Graham Dobbin: So, even though we don't want to be like front we've got an opportunity to keep us on the right track and hold them accountable tonight we're going to explore a very personal way of influencing.
00:01:27.420 --> 00:01:41.490 Graham Dobbin: And how we can take control of the most important person really ourselves force i'm absolutely delighted I tonight's guest is Sam leibowitz know Sam is known as the conscious consultant.
00:01:42.390 --> 00:01:53.520 Graham Dobbin: Is a mentor coach speaker healer serial entrepreneur and author of the number one best selling book every deal wicking i'm sure we're going to be talking about that and a little bit more depth.
00:01:54.090 --> 00:02:01.770 Graham Dobbin: he's been in business, since 1993 which is know why it doesn't seem long Sam but that's a long time ago no for Russell when people.
00:02:03.390 --> 00:02:15.750 Graham Dobbin: have several successful businesses is kind of ventures include make sound familiar talking alternative broadcasting that we're broadcasting on no and double diamond wellness in Manhattan I.
00:02:16.290 --> 00:02:25.860 Graham Dobbin: Sam has lectured and several venues in New York City, including being a featured speaker at tedx Sam great to see you.
00:02:26.640 --> 00:02:31.350 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful to be here, Graham nice to be on your show Thank you so much for having me on.
00:02:31.440 --> 00:02:43.830 Graham Dobbin: You know what it's sometimes the most obvious interviews, the most obvious people you want to speak to right in front of you we've not taking this opportunities and so Come on, so having this opportunity things great.
00:02:44.430 --> 00:02:56.040 Graham Dobbin: Because I got home with a lot of questions and the first thing that came to mind is you know when when I hear something called the conscious consultant what is a conscious consultant actually do.
00:02:57.690 --> 00:02:59.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: that's a very good question.
00:02:59.910 --> 00:03:01.170 Graham Dobbin: could be here for a while and getting.
00:03:01.410 --> 00:03:04.440 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah This could take a while so.
00:03:07.410 --> 00:03:10.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To give you the reader's digest super condensed version.
00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:28.680 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: early in life I was on a very spiritual path that went very South and for a long time I didn't know what the hell to do to believe in, so I threw myself into being an entrepreneur making money doing creating businesses doing things I enjoyed.
00:03:29.790 --> 00:03:35.820 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And then, slowly but surely the universe kind of nudge me back into this direction.
00:03:36.660 --> 00:03:45.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: First, through just getting back into personal development and then from that getting into to healing stuff and I started Taking all these healing workshops.
00:03:45.930 --> 00:03:55.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Not because I ever in a million years thought i'd be a healer, not because I wanted to be a healer had any intention around it just for my own healing just because I knew there were these.
00:03:56.370 --> 00:04:05.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: emotional scars things that you couldn't see on the surface, but there was stuff inside that I felt needed to be worked on.
00:04:06.810 --> 00:04:17.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And i'm taking these classes and i'm doing well and and and then there was that one class where you learn the method, and then they pair you up in your practice with someone.
00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:25.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I remember, there was this this blonde woman who wanted someone to work on her because she felt all congested and no lungs and.
00:04:25.590 --> 00:04:33.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: She felt like she was coming down with the flu and, and so they called her up to the front room and they asked for someone volunteer to work on and i'm like oh i'll do that.
00:04:34.200 --> 00:04:47.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so I come up and I do the method, on her literally less than five minutes and i'm like So how do you feel now like kind of nervous and she's like I can breathe I go oh that's good, no, no, no, no, listen and she goes.
00:04:49.380 --> 00:04:54.300 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: you hear that I have no congestion in my lungs I go that's wonderful because no you don't understand.
00:04:55.470 --> 00:05:02.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i've had chronic bronchitis, since I was six years old in South Africa, I haven't been able to breathe like this, since I was a little kid.
00:05:02.790 --> 00:05:15.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I was like what oh oh oh like wait a minute like I can use this stuff for other people it's, not just for me and i'm like what the hell do I do with this.
00:05:15.990 --> 00:05:22.770 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so I just kind of sat with it and, at the time I was a business mentor a business coach and working with people and.
00:05:23.190 --> 00:05:36.210 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It just kind of came to me well you're still kind of a coach and a consultant just in a different way in that now, as opposed to being so focused on strategy and methodology.
00:05:36.810 --> 00:05:45.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I focus more on where's the person's consciousness at if they're struggling in their business or in their career.
00:05:45.540 --> 00:06:02.910 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What is the underlying energetic pattern that they're living out that's keeping them stuck that if we can get to that pattern and resolve it, that not only will things be better in the business and then the career, but in life and in relationships and all kinds of other things.
00:06:04.260 --> 00:06:09.240 Graham Dobbin: i'm curious Sir i'm probably going to hear some using that word a lot the senior.
00:06:11.400 --> 00:06:20.310 Graham Dobbin: Business coaching mentor how did that, how did that come up i'd love to go back and kind of explore that just basically the strategy methodology, you know that.
00:06:20.640 --> 00:06:33.450 Graham Dobbin: A lot of the guests that we go and come from the corporate world but we tried to look at it from a slightly different view rather than that that kind of one academic and save a leadership, so I really want to explore that so.
00:06:34.650 --> 00:06:42.450 Graham Dobbin: 4.4 been young I think he was at school and you sat there and said, I want to be a business coach is that what happened.
00:06:42.540 --> 00:06:44.520 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah exactly exactly.
00:06:45.810 --> 00:06:46.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: No.
00:06:47.610 --> 00:06:48.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But.
00:06:48.990 --> 00:06:54.870 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Part of the beginnings of it when I was in college was a friend of mine invited me onto the speech and debate team.
00:06:55.620 --> 00:07:04.950 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: never gave a speech in my entire life, I remember doing my first speech, I had everything written out on index cards I couldn't even read my own handwriting I started through the whole thing.
00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.770 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It was the worst talk I ever gave them my life.
00:07:08.820 --> 00:07:10.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And that's the good news, it was the worst one.
00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:21.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I got better and better and I started off working at just I got a job, while I was still in school, just to make some money and I started working for a bank chemical bank which doesn't exist anymore.
00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:29.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I was a Teller I am worked in a retail branch, and then, after a couple of years I graduated college and then I.
00:07:29.610 --> 00:07:38.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: transferred internally into cash management department I started doing technical training, so I got used to like standing up in front of people explaining things to them.
00:07:38.430 --> 00:07:46.650 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Typically, these were vpn and treasurers of large corporations, who would use the cash management software and I had to explain computers, because.
00:07:46.890 --> 00:07:55.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We were transferring them over this is i'm dating myself now these Gray hairs they've been around for a while they were transferred over from dumb terminals to PCs.
00:07:55.890 --> 00:08:07.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so we had to teach them how to use the software and the PCs and these people are not very technical, so I had so I learned to translate like computer terminology into plain language and give them analogies.
00:08:08.220 --> 00:08:13.950 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To to how to work with the software this skill came in very handy later on in life so.
00:08:14.520 --> 00:08:19.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I worked a chemical bank for a while and got to a point where okay i'm like the team leader now.
00:08:20.190 --> 00:08:28.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm not going out and getting my MBA I just don't feel like it and i'm not going to move anywhere else in this bank, unless I do so, I have to another bank to make more money.
00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:39.810 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I have to a bank that somebody else who had left chemical went there and such a great reputation awful bank I hated it lousy environment within 13 months I was out of their.
00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:47.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: move to a software company that was owned by another bank and then from that hop to a a.
00:08:47.880 --> 00:08:57.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: A trade association and nonprofit trade association so for about nine years of my early life I worked in corporations and organizations.
00:08:58.260 --> 00:09:10.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And then I kind after a while it dawned on me i'm like you know I get in earlier than the guy next to me I usually stay a little bit later I work harder my paycheck does not reflect this difference.
00:09:10.800 --> 00:09:17.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And i'm like if i'm going to work this hard, why not let me get the benefit of that so I struck out and became a computer consultant.
00:09:18.900 --> 00:09:26.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so I, and I worked with a friend and we were consulting together, he kind of showed me the ropes of the business, we then started.
00:09:28.410 --> 00:09:33.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Video company, we got into this Japanese animation stuff sold that.
00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:40.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: found out that the guy we sold it to was a lunatic after six months started working on another one, and after a year started another business.
00:09:41.730 --> 00:09:51.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And then I went from that to an aerospace business that I enjoyed, and from that into real estate i've had a lot of different businesses, but over the time.
00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:59.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I realized that like i've learned a lot from like becoming going from an employee to a business or small business owner.
00:09:59.790 --> 00:10:05.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so I started doing this class of like how to start your own small business.
00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:12.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I really just kind of talked about like the theory and the ideas and how to set yourself up for success and all these things.
00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:18.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And then the people would be like asking me from my own story like what's your experience how did you work with partners that it uh.
00:10:18.930 --> 00:10:30.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah and I was, like me, you want to know about me oh my God, and so I started talking about myself a little bit more, and then at the end of the class some people would come up to me and say hey you know I want to start something, would you mentor me.
00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:37.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm like oh okay sure, and so I started to become sort of a business coach and a business mentor.
00:10:37.710 --> 00:10:50.940 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Not because I went got through any coaching certification program that because the I even wanted to, but just by experience there was real value in it and I didn't even appreciate how much value, there was an it, but other people did.
00:10:52.140 --> 00:11:09.990 Graham Dobbin: Interesting that some of the best leaders, I know that people are just drawn to them, it can be just happens it's not it's not a hierarchical situation is not it's not given authority it's a developed authority is people just seem to kind of migrate to them.
00:11:10.530 --> 00:11:12.030 Graham Dobbin: So sounds like you were one of those people.
00:11:12.270 --> 00:11:20.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It will, to me, I kind of feel like when people see somebody who has experienced knows what they're talking about.
00:11:21.060 --> 00:11:28.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And shows up in service, you know, this is one of the things I always show up looking to add value in whatever situation i'm in.
00:11:29.490 --> 00:11:34.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And that I think really draws people not out for my own ego not out to puff myself up.
00:11:35.160 --> 00:11:44.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I truly want to help people I truly want to serve and and enable people to do better, and so I think that kind of attitude shows when i'm.
00:11:45.270 --> 00:11:55.710 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: doing a talk giving a speech being interviewed whatever and so people naturally kind of come to it because it's like oh like here's somebody who actually cares and knows what they're talking about.
00:11:58.860 --> 00:12:01.110 Graham Dobbin: You still see that story.
00:12:02.280 --> 00:12:07.710 Graham Dobbin: i'm about going into debates society, the speaking the debate society speaking to say.
00:12:07.740 --> 00:12:09.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: speech and debate society yeah okay.
00:12:10.530 --> 00:12:18.690 Graham Dobbin: um us that we started the story so i'm interested with that the moment or read things be different if you hadn't done that.
00:12:19.800 --> 00:12:29.910 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: More than likely I think so because it got me very comfortable with getting up in front of people and speaking and then, when I graduated I joined toastmasters I became a.
00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:37.590 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: semi finalists division semi finalists and I really enjoyed it like I didn't know how much I enjoyed it until I did it.
00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:46.590 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so I knew like I always wanted to be able to do something, where I could be that even you know I even took a couple of acting classes, when I was in college, but.
00:12:46.920 --> 00:12:51.930 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I just didn't want to be a starving or even took our class, but I didn't want to be a starving artist so then that's why I went into.
00:12:51.930 --> 00:12:54.180 Graham Dobbin: computer science starving coaching staff.
00:12:54.270 --> 00:12:54.600 yeah.
00:12:58.650 --> 00:13:04.560 Graham Dobbin: i'm so so when we come back from the break I kind of want to want to dig in a little bit more, I support.
00:13:05.010 --> 00:13:14.640 Graham Dobbin: And the conversation that we're having now i'd be really interested to find out what was the point that you turn around and say to yourself there's something needs to be fixed inside of me.
00:13:15.090 --> 00:13:21.840 Graham Dobbin: kind of was was was or something you know, could you said you got to the point that you realize that you needed with fixed and when we're talking about spiritual leadership.
00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:27.600 Graham Dobbin: Especially within business is that a little bit and you're maybe like this one as a little bit fluffy.
00:13:28.170 --> 00:13:34.770 Graham Dobbin: Is it a little bit kind of maybe whoo so what, what do you can see why it's practical ways really needed and what we do.
00:13:35.100 --> 00:13:48.780 Graham Dobbin: Is instead of buying buying leadership i'm delighted we've got am Sam believers on this evening, who is the author of the number one best selling book every day awakening and we have talked about conscious consultancy we'll be right back after these messages.
00:16:49.980 --> 00:16:58.980 Graham Dobbin: Welcome back to the main behind leadership we're speaking with Sam leibovitz this evening the conscious consultant, just to kind of jumping on the back of.
00:16:59.430 --> 00:17:16.170 Graham Dobbin: What we're speaking about this seems to happen most weeks with me know that when i'm speaking with someone we've got kind of a connection, so the toastmasters it was something actually launched a toastmasters in the UK, so not long before I came here but there's a great story.
00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:23.820 Graham Dobbin: Of a guy who in New York, decided that he had a debilitating issue.
00:17:24.330 --> 00:17:30.480 Graham Dobbin: And that debilitating he was he can speak in public and he knew it was going to be a massive impact on his career.
00:17:30.780 --> 00:17:37.290 Graham Dobbin: So you went out and looked for a way of overcoming that, and this was in the 50s so that we kind of know Google at that point.
00:17:37.830 --> 00:17:50.610 Graham Dobbin: And you went away and did it from the Dale Carnegie and public speaking program in Manhattan and kind of the rest is history and the records it put 50 to 60% of the value of his career was Warren Buffett.
00:17:51.450 --> 00:17:53.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I was only Buffett.
00:17:53.250 --> 00:18:05.010 Graham Dobbin: Warren Buffett Warren buffett's got that and this isn't an advert for Dale Carnegie but what we're seeing he's actually got that certificate on his wall in his office, and he doesn't have his degree.
00:18:05.460 --> 00:18:09.630 Graham Dobbin: hmm because it was the thing that changed everything for him.
00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:14.400 Graham Dobbin: yeah yeah so he says it is and it's really interesting when we when we look at.
00:18:15.690 --> 00:18:22.050 Graham Dobbin: When we think about leaders we think about what the what attributes, are we actually think about all these things, firstly, think about communication.
00:18:22.290 --> 00:18:23.490 Graham Dobbin: influence all these.
00:18:23.790 --> 00:18:25.980 Graham Dobbin: Not academic, but the focus is there.
00:18:26.010 --> 00:18:36.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right, and you know why the the public speaking, is so important because they've done lots of studies, where like people fear public speaking more than death, you know.
00:18:36.510 --> 00:18:45.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So if somebody actually makes the effort to conquer that fear and to move forward and to become good at public speaking.
00:18:45.540 --> 00:18:52.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Then you're able to communicate your ideas and stand you're doing something that most people are definitely afraid of.
00:18:52.890 --> 00:19:03.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So then people really sort of look up to you in a way, and and look to you as a public speaker for guidance because you're doing something that they're terrified to do.
00:19:03.810 --> 00:19:10.770 Graham Dobbin: Essentially, go back to one of the blocks, you will come to the things we're going to talk about in a moment, but one of the blocks.
00:19:11.280 --> 00:19:16.980 Graham Dobbin: And titles that I rented it was being human means that we all sometimes make mistakes.
00:19:17.340 --> 00:19:31.740 Graham Dobbin: And a camera think what one of the things that changed me was prepared to make a mistake constantly if this is the last time I do it, so be it, if something goes wrong, you know fix it next time they spent away with with public speaking.
00:19:32.010 --> 00:19:42.870 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So here's the way I kind of work with people so there's language involved, so you said mistake and something goes wrong those two are not necessarily equivalent.
00:19:43.230 --> 00:19:51.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And, and this to me, is one of the real challenges that especially leaders have is is taking the stigma around mistakes.
00:19:51.630 --> 00:19:58.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And that mistakes are somehow bad or wrong they're not there, how we learn we grow from them.
00:19:58.500 --> 00:20:04.650 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I mean, think about it when we're little kids and we're learning to walk and we take those first step and we fall down.
00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:14.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We don't tell ourselves oh my God i'm bad i'm wrong i'm awful because I fell down we'd never walk we'd never get out of the crib know we fall down we laugh we get up and we try again.
00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:22.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: it's all a learning process there's nothing wrong with making mistakes now i'm not saying we should be sloppy and make.
00:20:22.800 --> 00:20:32.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know mistakes that are easily avoidable yeah but it's the judgment around it like it's something bad and if we can remove that judgment.
00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:48.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We can really progress, and I see it in millennials they're millennials are so much more able these days of making mistakes and not you know self criticizing themselves over it, and keep moving forward it's a wonderful quality.
00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:51.660 Graham Dobbin: it's really interesting I don't want to go down there because we could go.
00:20:53.760 --> 00:20:54.780 Graham Dobbin: wrong with bad.
00:20:55.290 --> 00:20:56.610 Graham Dobbin: is quite interesting.
00:20:59.490 --> 00:21:08.580 Graham Dobbin: Again on the same same wavelength, and essentially again when we talk about millennials and younger people, we see that you know jobs of 18 months to two years.
00:21:09.090 --> 00:21:18.000 Graham Dobbin: It one point burn the numbers younger than my career, I was terrified of losing my job really was younger people know almost look to change.
00:21:18.330 --> 00:21:18.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: or they.
00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:32.880 Graham Dobbin: take that risk of okay i'm finished with this this particle is finished and i'll find something else and i've been really hot and just over the last year, how i've seen so many people have been maybe forced into that position.
00:21:33.450 --> 00:21:34.740 Graham Dobbin: And I heard a strong.
00:21:35.100 --> 00:21:43.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I believe it was seth godin I heard say one time that you know in our parents generation they work for one company or in one place their whole life.
00:21:44.250 --> 00:21:51.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: In our generation we work between three and five places maybe seven places in our whole lifetime.
00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:57.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And in the current generation or kids generation they'll have seven different careers simultaneously.
00:21:58.170 --> 00:22:04.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Be because they'll be going to work to do something, but they'll also have the little side project and it will be doing another thing and another thing and another thing.
00:22:04.770 --> 00:22:14.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and seeing which one works out so that they're not necessarily tied to it and and this whole concept around career and job and everything is really getting transformed right in front of our eyes.
00:22:16.290 --> 00:22:21.690 Graham Dobbin: So when when we're talking about that then wouldn't know talking about kind of that self control and.
00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:32.160 Graham Dobbin: We wanted to how many risks will take you kind of probably know that i'm a risk taker and a boost in New York, three years ago, and you said it all work somehow.
00:22:34.530 --> 00:22:40.890 Graham Dobbin: You said earlier that there was a point in your life that came and I kind of don't want to go to pedestal on this.
00:22:42.840 --> 00:22:54.060 Graham Dobbin: Too much, but there was a point you likely came to give you that you need you to kind of deal with someone with with something in town and yet, by doing that it helps you be really practical outside and help other people.
00:22:55.650 --> 00:23:04.740 Graham Dobbin: What was the signal for you how did you know that you needed to do something and did you know there's kind of two parts here, did you know that it was going to have such an impact on your career.
00:23:07.530 --> 00:23:15.270 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'll answer the first, the second part, first, which is no I had no clue like where would take me and and how I knew.
00:23:17.280 --> 00:23:28.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I guess, even though I can not be very present to my body or I used to not be very presence of my body, I still kind of could feel things and and.
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:37.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm kind of one of those people who is actually a very sensitive person, though I don't appear to be on the surface, because I.
00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:43.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: don't share things necessarily unless someone engages in me asks me questions and.
00:23:43.770 --> 00:23:50.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: In the conversation because i'm a big believer that if someone's really interested in you they're going to ask, and if not, if they're just talking to you, and they like to talk.
00:23:50.790 --> 00:24:05.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Then they just want to share, about themselves, and I find people fascinating and interesting so i'm more than happy to let other people talk, but if someone actually asks me and brings me on i'm more than happy to share and so, when I was feeling kind of.
00:24:06.150 --> 00:24:13.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Like things were Okay, things were good in my life at the time, but I just wasn't feeling that well and and I knew like there was.
00:24:14.250 --> 00:24:20.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It just something felt off inside and I don't know how else to describe it, but just it felt off.
00:24:21.120 --> 00:24:43.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And you asked me before the commercial about whether this fluffy enos this whoo whoo, is it really practical, is it really have benefit for leaders and people in today's world to help with common situations we deal with, and the answer is absolutely yes and, as a matter of fact.
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:56.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So many like well known leaders, especially in the tech industry, for some reason tech is a little bit more open, maybe it's because a lot of them come from California, they meditate every day they understand that.
00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:07.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Actually, the stuff that we call whoo whoo is not so whoo whoo and and if you're scientific at all, like, I mean let's be hard you want to be hard and real then we got to be scientific then we got to look like.
00:25:08.340 --> 00:25:18.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What is all this crap made up that's bouncing around here, you know this chair this table right let's look real closely let's be real scientific okay let's break it down.
00:25:18.690 --> 00:25:26.520 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That it's made of a bunch of cells What are those cells made of they're made of molecules one of the molecules made it made of atoms were the atoms made of protons electrons neutrons.
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:34.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What are those made up well there's a whole bunch of empty space, first of all in there it's 99.999% empty space.
00:25:34.710 --> 00:25:43.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But then, if you look at the electrons and protons and neutrons the closer and closer the better our technology gets the closer and closer you look the less than less than less, you see.
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:53.760 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And sometimes those particles act as particles and sometimes they act as waves, which means sometimes it's there sometimes it's potentially sometimes it's not.
00:25:55.680 --> 00:26:01.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I mean okay like let's talk to some intelligent people like Einstein he's a pretty smart guy would you say.
00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:04.500 Graham Dobbin: yeah these these are two different things.
00:26:05.940 --> 00:26:12.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I think most leaders would agree Einstein was smart what What would you say is einstein's most famous equation.
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:18.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: equals MC squared right.
00:26:20.010 --> 00:26:23.550 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: let's just dissect that for a minute he what does he energy equals.
00:26:25.080 --> 00:26:30.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Mass time C squared C is the speed of light squared or let's just call it a really big number.
00:26:31.350 --> 00:26:52.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Now let's do some high school algebra we divide each side by a constant in this case C squared a really, really big number, what do we get we get m equals E divided by C squared or mass or matter equals energy vibrating at a very low rate but it's still all energy.
00:26:53.520 --> 00:27:03.900 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When you come down to it, to the fundamental thing that were made up of its energy, everything is energy we've heard that term in it's not a woo term.
00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:09.510 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And, and how you can see that actually reflect in on a daily basis.
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.510 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Think about pre pandemic days when we actually together in crowds.
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:24.810 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When you show up in a room and people are talking, if someone just had a fight in that room, you could feel it couldn't you.
00:27:26.610 --> 00:27:34.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But if you, but if someone just told a hilarious joke, and everyone was laughing you walked into the room, you could feel the difference in that energy couldn't you yeah.
00:27:35.040 --> 00:27:45.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: If you show up and you show up in your office or work or even on a zoom call and you're kind of like how you doing things are okay I don't know.
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:51.930 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: How motivating is that How much are people gonna let you know it's like oh there's something wrong with Sam today.
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:58.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But if you show up and you're like man, things are great a wonderful like let's do this if you change your energy around something.
00:27:59.370 --> 00:28:05.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: People see you differently people respond to you differently, people will be attracted to you differently.
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:24.750 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So this whole idea of energy has very, very practical applications, it is totally not whoo and I tell you I see the conversations in business circles, more and more and more over the last 1020 years i've been doing this it's amazing how the business conversation has shifted.
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:33.570 Graham Dobbin: Essentially, because things like perceptions projections what we put out there is what we're going to get back is generally accepted.
00:28:34.230 --> 00:28:40.860 Graham Dobbin: But when we speak about spirituality when we speak about energy, when we speak of it, other things, that is different, I remember I got to see deepak chopra.
00:28:41.250 --> 00:28:49.110 Graham Dobbin: Talking about quantum healing one time, and it was just utterly amazing and again the energy in the whole room just talking about it, and that was pure leadership.
00:28:49.860 --> 00:28:53.490 Graham Dobbin: Absolutely i'm going to go to a break, when we come back to a break.
00:28:54.630 --> 00:29:02.070 Graham Dobbin: Do you want to speak about the book absolutely and also kind of just the the progression there from computers to people.
00:29:02.490 --> 00:29:06.630 Graham Dobbin: It feels like there's there's actually quite an obvious link there.
00:29:06.990 --> 00:29:20.460 Graham Dobbin: Just from the way our conversations going but let's explore that a little bit more you're listening to buying behind leadership we're live here in talk radio dot nyc in New York City, with some leverage, my name is Graham dobbin and we'll be back right after these.
00:32:12.570 --> 00:32:19.380 Graham Dobbin: Welcome back to that in mind that hank leadership Sam I caught you're dancing everybody dances at some point in the future.
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:27.960 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Well, I have to say, Graham I you do have the most rockin theme music on the network, I mean I, like my music but it's not rocking the way yours.
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:41.910 Graham Dobbin: is pretty goodness escapism escapism cool um so when we when we when we spoke and when you're talking about being a business coach and a mentor your candidate background was with with technology.
00:32:43.560 --> 00:32:57.630 Graham Dobbin: And it's spoke about strategies and methodologies and now we jump all the way across here to people, it seems like a big leap i'm kind of wondering, considering the conversation we just had how big a leap it really was.
00:32:57.840 --> 00:33:08.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah it really wasn't because even though my degrees in computer science and I did programming early on, and I did some desktop development.
00:33:09.300 --> 00:33:10.740 Graham Dobbin: Right right it really does.
00:33:12.210 --> 00:33:19.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I really liked working with people, though, and so what happened to me at chemical bank and and other positions I had was.
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:24.300 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I would end up being the interface between the programmers and the end users.
00:33:24.570 --> 00:33:30.150 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I would take the things the programmers would say and translated into language that the end users would understand.
00:33:30.360 --> 00:33:43.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And when they would tell me something I would translate it into language, the programmers were to understand, so I was always kind of like that interface, I was that translator that that that you know help people to get on the same page.
00:33:43.860 --> 00:33:53.670 Graham Dobbin: Is what is interest because when you talk about that time you actually wake up it's obviously something you you you enjoyed having that balance.
00:33:54.090 --> 00:34:10.770 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I did I did, and the interesting thing is the way it serves me now is and i've studied with spiritual teachers i've studied some really deep esoteric knowledge and I can, with the best of them, and I can be fluffy like your beard but.
00:34:13.170 --> 00:34:13.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I know.
00:34:14.790 --> 00:34:27.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But I know how to take that stuff and translate it down into simple everyday language that's approachable and that's the thing sometimes people forget, is to make things approachable for people who are not way into it.
00:34:28.350 --> 00:34:38.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And that's why I really like working with people who are like just dipping their toe in the water, have something different, you know, like, I often describe like who my ideal clients are people.
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:45.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Who are not don't necessarily though they might don't necessarily identify themselves as spiritual.
00:34:45.600 --> 00:34:49.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But they kind of know, like the regular normal stuff doesn't really work for them.
00:34:50.130 --> 00:35:00.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And they're open to something different, and so that's the person I love to go in and say okay let's try some different stuff a different way of thinking, a different way of looking at things a different perspective.
00:35:01.290 --> 00:35:17.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and shifting those belief systems and then maybe they will discover their own spirituality in the process, but I like catching people like in those beginning phases and sort of being a Sherpa ends and shepherding them on to whatever path they end up on.
00:35:18.090 --> 00:35:20.340 Graham Dobbin: um I suppose one of the things.
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:30.540 Graham Dobbin: have had in business that you're either spiritual or your practical and that's that's kind of not aware that I see it.
00:35:31.020 --> 00:35:44.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Not not anymore, and you know, sometimes in the past, you see the differences today is in the past, business leaders would use spiritual stuff to help them, but they just went in tell anybody like I know some.
00:35:45.060 --> 00:35:53.940 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: pretty good astrologers who like they have consulted with major major fortune 500 company C suite executives.
00:35:54.510 --> 00:36:01.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: They didn't tell anybody, but they got the astrological chart for themselves for their company for new hires for their co workers, whatever.
00:36:02.310 --> 00:36:09.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And they just kept quiet about it but nowadays it's a little bit more acceptable so now you hear about it a bit more than you used to.
00:36:09.930 --> 00:36:22.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because the thing is these things least spiritual tools and techniques and stuff they're thousands of years old, they would not have lasted that long if there was not something to them.
00:36:23.100 --> 00:36:30.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: They work they stuck around because they work and people use them, because they work, not because they don't work.
00:36:30.990 --> 00:36:35.220 Graham Dobbin: um i'll tell you i'm smiling is kind of that's my next question.
00:36:36.120 --> 00:36:46.590 Graham Dobbin: I don't want to put words in your mouth may what would be I got it do you ever get frustrated, there has been around for such a long time and we embrace new things.
00:36:47.550 --> 00:36:55.830 Graham Dobbin: And then came to me be shy away from this you'd be would expect everything that we're talking about today that that kind of that personal awareness.
00:36:57.300 --> 00:37:09.570 Graham Dobbin: or being able to access these kind of the strengths and this is going to take us from really nicely into the book and get that um this has been around for a year, this, this is not a hidden secret.
00:37:09.930 --> 00:37:13.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: No it's not it's not I mean that's the joke about the movie the secret.
00:37:14.220 --> 00:37:29.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Is there is no secret, you know, the only frustration, I have around any of this is when it comes to health services, because we call traditional medicine alternative health.
00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:31.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And what what is.
00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:43.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What we think of as as traditional medicine is really modern medicine, which is very symptomatic based not holistic base and there's only been around a couple Hundred Years compared to.
00:37:45.540 --> 00:37:52.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: alternate what we would herbal medicines energy medicines, all this other stuff that's been around for thousands of years.
00:37:53.010 --> 00:38:08.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So, the truth is modern medicine is actually the real alternative medicine and what most people call alternative medicine is actually traditional medicine That to me is my biggest frustration, because I find there's so much unnecessary.
00:38:10.230 --> 00:38:14.820 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Medical stuff going on, that if we just took a holistic approach instead of.
00:38:15.030 --> 00:38:25.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: These very siloed like you have one medical professional For one thing, another medical professional for nothing and other medical professional For another thing, and none of them are talking and none of them know about each other.
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:35.640 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And, and it can cause a lot of problems, whereas if you just have one person who's looking at your overall thing your lifestyle your diet, the supplement, like all that kinds of stuff your stress level.
00:38:36.600 --> 00:38:56.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Like that's the way true health care is what we have is not a health care system it's a sick care system and it's not designed to actually truly heal people it's designed to manage symptoms, because we're so symptom focused, which is very surface level focus.
00:38:57.570 --> 00:39:11.850 Graham Dobbin: um I suppose it's a really big question why do you think that is why do we, why do we, like the shiny new thing that's there more than more than what we what we've always had.
00:39:12.390 --> 00:39:20.940 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Well, I think, things have developed the way they have actually for a very simple very plain very banal reason and that's money.
00:39:22.230 --> 00:39:26.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because think about it, if you aren't and i've heard people say this.
00:39:27.510 --> 00:39:38.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: If you work for Pfizer Merck or one of these big pharmaceutical companies, if you could create a pill that would cure people of everything, would you do it.
00:39:40.080 --> 00:39:44.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: If you're a pharmaceutical company you absolutely would not, because you put yourself out of business.
00:39:44.550 --> 00:39:56.190 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But if you can create a pill that will just manage a person symptom and then, if they have side effects you create another pill to manage that symptom and so on and so forth, you make a lot more money so it's not.
00:39:56.820 --> 00:40:09.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: From this point of view it's not really that profitable to cure truly cure diseases it's much more profitable to treat them, but not truly cure the person.
00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:22.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: However, it's a very short sighted approach, because ultimately what really serves us and the world, the most and what's going to create an abundance society without.
00:40:23.640 --> 00:40:35.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Starvation without lack of resource well anything is when we truly practice what's called enlightened self interest we do what's good for us but it's good for everyone, and when we do what's good for the world for society.
00:40:36.090 --> 00:40:53.760 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It helps everybody, and I think this pandemic, this is one of the biggest lessons that one person's health is everybody's health and that, if we just took care of everyone, like they mattered because they all do we would all thrive, not just a few of us.
00:40:55.680 --> 00:40:56.250 Graham Dobbin: um.
00:40:57.780 --> 00:41:08.250 Graham Dobbin: So is that an awakening let's get into this book because it feels like that this is kind of a segue i'm really i'm your book is everyday awakening and you're more powerful.
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:10.290 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah.
00:41:10.890 --> 00:41:11.670 Graham Dobbin: This book.
00:41:12.030 --> 00:41:23.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I call it every day awakening because, again, I wanted to be approachable to people who you know and it's not a spiritual book it's really not.
00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:34.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: In the subtitle is you are more powerful than you know is that's my main message to people it's to help them to understand that we actually have all the power in our lives.
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:41.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We give it away to other people very commonly, but if we stop giving away our power, and we look to what's inside of us.
00:41:42.150 --> 00:41:52.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Again, one of the ancient principles almost every major ancient spiritual tradition, all the answers are inside of you, you don't need to be go looking externally.
00:41:53.400 --> 00:42:00.510 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so, this is a series of essays that i've written over the last six years it's the best of my blogs that i've written.
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.520 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And they're really all about shifting people's perspective in a way to show them.
00:42:05.940 --> 00:42:12.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That life happens for us not to us that we are the creator of our life we're not the victim of our life.
00:42:12.270 --> 00:42:18.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We may not necessarily have control over external circumstances and external things that happened to us.
00:42:19.140 --> 00:42:40.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But we have 100% choice over how we choose to respond to that situation and that's where our power lies and that's in many different subtle ways what I tried to bring people to understand and to, not just in stand understand but embody and really take in is that.
00:42:41.460 --> 00:43:02.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We don't need to be victims, no matter what happens to us, we don't have to be victims, and there are millions of examples of people who've suffered horrendous challenging difficult things but who decided not to be a victim and actually thrive in spite if not because of their challenge.
00:43:03.150 --> 00:43:07.500 Graham Dobbin: And therefore we're talking about approach to it, because things happen.
00:43:08.580 --> 00:43:12.030 Graham Dobbin: Right, and we think the only thing that really changes is an approach.
00:43:12.690 --> 00:43:19.560 Graham Dobbin: Well, welcome welcome we'll explore this more we'll explore this more after the break, let me go to the break for us so we've got some some real time and also going to.
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:33.960 Graham Dobbin: One of the things you said was you know we give it all away, we give that power away tell us i'm really interested explain why we give it away and maybe you know what kind of things are those triggers and.
00:43:35.130 --> 00:43:48.420 Graham Dobbin: What shouldn't say it's about keeping control back one of the things I said at the very beginning was this was going to be a talk about us about us having control of what we can do so we're coming almost seems like this was planned some almost.
00:43:49.980 --> 00:44:01.110 Graham Dobbin: you're listening to the money by leadership or standard but we're speaking with some limits this evening number one best selling author of everyday awakening and we'll be right back after this.
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:26.460 Graham Dobbin: Welcome back we're speaking with some live events and we're talking about the book.
00:46:26.850 --> 00:46:37.590 Graham Dobbin: Everyday awakening Sam you mentioned that this book is for you, if you want to be uplifted if you kind of want to re sag gain of fresh perspective on life.
00:46:38.160 --> 00:46:47.940 Graham Dobbin: um but one of the things we also said there's some things we need to do that because because we've given given something else up, and given that power up and given away to other people.
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:53.100 Graham Dobbin: I need you think that have just in your opinion that's a big question but i'm sure your thoughts on it.
00:46:53.850 --> 00:46:59.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I think that we're kind of trained, from the time were little kids to give our power away.
00:47:01.590 --> 00:47:14.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And we're kind of indoctrinated into it in society because what's good for society is that people kind of follow society's rules, and when you don't follow society's rules.
00:47:14.730 --> 00:47:27.810 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: that's not so good now, this was society hundreds of thousands of years ago when we were living in jungles in the plains and lots of dangerous animals around but we've evolved in we've changed.
00:47:28.230 --> 00:47:33.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yet there's a lot that hasn't evolved with us there's a lot of stuff we carry with us that's.
00:47:34.110 --> 00:47:42.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: holdovers from when we're living in a jungle that don't really serve us, and then on top of that, even our school system is designed to.
00:47:43.530 --> 00:47:47.880 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: teach us to respect authority and it's not.
00:47:48.600 --> 00:48:03.210 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know it's not some diabolical plan it's just in the 1600s and 1700s when the industrial revolution happened, and they needed to take all these farmers and give them jobs as factory workers, farmers are inherently creative but.
00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:15.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: They just needed them to like be assembly line workers, and so they found like they had a really hard time bringing adult farmers in to do this, but what they realized was they had to do it at the children.
00:48:16.080 --> 00:48:24.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: indoctrinate them from kids so that then when they grow up, they could come out and be good assembly line workers because that's what was needed in the industrial age.
00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:30.300 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And now we're past the industrial age, you know we're in the next age Alvin Toffler called it, the third wave.
00:48:30.600 --> 00:48:36.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Some people call it the information wave the connection economy there's all kinds of names for it, not even sure what it is.
00:48:36.450 --> 00:48:41.640 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: we're kind of in the middle of it, so now it's time to transform that model, and this is why.
00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:52.710 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Like everything needs to transform our education system, our healthcare system or even our political system needs to change and evolve and, if anything, I think this past year really shows that.
00:48:53.610 --> 00:49:07.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The same old things just don't work anymore, and it now is the time for true leaders who can be visionaries who can stand up and point the way and say here's a better way of doing things.
00:49:08.010 --> 00:49:14.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: that people will embrace if it feels right, and this is what I talked about in the book is.
00:49:14.610 --> 00:49:30.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: about things feeling right for you in the body, you know, in the Western society we've so over glamorized the mind and the intellect we've put it up on a pedestal and made a great yet our minds, making lousy decisions all day long and it never even apologizes.
00:49:31.590 --> 00:49:41.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But if you listen to the body if we tune into our body our body is way more intelligent when we get a hunch when something feels right or it feels wrong.
00:49:41.970 --> 00:50:00.960 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: it's much more accurate than our brain, I mean Malcolm McDowell wrote a whole book blink all about that and that how like in an instant when we go with our instincts it's so much more accurate than we've actually trying to think things through and figure out all the calculations.
00:50:01.950 --> 00:50:16.110 Graham Dobbin: A lot of conversations that you probably probably have some of them is about leadership being authentic and as being ourselves and i'm just wondering get a hook for the conversation that we've got how many people find real authenticity.
00:50:17.460 --> 00:50:25.740 Graham Dobbin: I mean people really find themselves, I know because to find yourself to be authentic you need to allow yourself to be right.
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.620 Graham Dobbin: So that's accepting as well as giving it out.
00:50:29.640 --> 00:50:35.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Well, it it's sometimes it's not always just about being authentic.
00:50:36.510 --> 00:50:39.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It can also just be about being vulnerable.
00:50:40.290 --> 00:50:44.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And there's a and there's a distinction between vulnerability and authenticity.
00:50:45.390 --> 00:50:57.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I think that you know if we're reasonable people we usually kind of show up as ourselves, you know we might show up we show up a little differently for work than we do at home, because we need to.
00:50:58.290 --> 00:51:11.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And, and I, I feel, and what I talked about in the book sometimes it's more about and how I work with people it's more about these these four archetypal aspects I like for because it's simple number i'm a simple guy like easy things.
00:51:12.270 --> 00:51:18.750 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: This the four archetypal elements earth, air fire water and they represent for different aspects of our being.
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:31.680 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: heart mind body and spirit that those probably we're not aligned like you know how hard is water mind is fire, a body is earth and spirit is air.
00:51:32.490 --> 00:51:38.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so, if we want to connect with people were having a conversation with someone or what let's say we.
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:50.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: were talking to our team in our business, we want to be a little bit more in our heart space that that should be really the dominant element, because that's how we connect with people, but if you're working on a business plan yeah, then you want to be in your mind.
00:51:50.700 --> 00:51:56.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Or if you really want to get things done that's when you need to be in your body physical stuff.
00:51:57.150 --> 00:52:06.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, you want to take care of your health it's a physicality that gets us to do things, but if you want inspiration, if you want imagination creativity that's where spirit comes in.
00:52:07.200 --> 00:52:13.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so it's about getting kind of comfortable with these four different aspects of ourselves and when is it appropriate to be in one.
00:52:13.710 --> 00:52:22.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: or another nothing any one is better than another they're just different situations in different circumstances where we want that one to be dominant.
00:52:22.470 --> 00:52:34.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And a for me it's kind of the authenticity comes with what feels right in the moment of what are those aspects I should be navigating into in a particular moment um.
00:52:35.550 --> 00:52:39.420 Graham Dobbin: it's interesting you mentioned vulnerability because that's very much accented now.
00:52:39.930 --> 00:52:44.580 Graham Dobbin: yeah very much accepted within business that vulnerability comes with great leadership.
00:52:45.090 --> 00:52:52.980 Graham Dobbin: Absolute being able to allow people to help them, you know that little bit of an insight into us right create a space of people can be vulnerable as.
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:56.550 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: right and it doesn't mean we were our hearts on our sleeve or that.
00:52:56.550 --> 00:52:58.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We go into the details of it.
00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:10.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: um there was a woman Jennifer have who have had on my show, and she recently put out an email about how she's not perfect and she makes mistakes and she was going through a really hard time and this and that.
00:53:10.710 --> 00:53:18.150 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I read it, and it was beautiful and totally engaging but then I realized after I read it oh my God she never actually told you what was the thing was that happened.
00:53:18.600 --> 00:53:32.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Like she said something happened, but she never actually said what it was, but by bike how she expressed how she was feeling and, and all this other stuff like you didn't even care that she didn't tell you exactly what happened That to me is real leadership.
00:53:32.520 --> 00:53:37.590 Graham Dobbin: Well, I promise if I ever if I ever make a mistake i'll send you an email, I promise.
00:53:40.200 --> 00:53:42.750 Graham Dobbin: It might be a while away because I can see that happening.
00:53:45.030 --> 00:53:55.560 Graham Dobbin: So thinking about your work, think about your experience, think about going from being that business coaching mentor and being you know very technically minded and.
00:53:56.130 --> 00:54:00.840 Graham Dobbin: Having that really rare insight into both sides of things.
00:54:01.680 --> 00:54:15.570 Graham Dobbin: What kind of one or two tips just in the last couple of minutes that we've got one or two tips that you give the leaders that if the beginning the past exploring this if they're a little bit curious, what do you think they should be doing first hmm.
00:54:15.810 --> 00:54:26.910 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Well, the first thing is it's always best to sign of look inside i'm not saying you have to go sit and meditate and cross legged on the floor that's not what i'm talking about.
00:54:27.600 --> 00:54:39.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But just give ourselves some time to be with ourselves that's one of the gifts of the pandemic is we're spending more time with ourselves than we ever have before, and some people don't like what they see or feel and other people they're thriving with.
00:54:39.390 --> 00:54:53.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It but, but just taking a breath and just being present to what is right in front of you it's an ancient Buddhist precept about suffering comes from denying what is.
00:54:54.600 --> 00:55:06.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: it's like let's be present to the truth of what's in front of us and not judge it don't make it wrong it's not a good thing or a bad thing it's just a thing it's just there.
00:55:07.170 --> 00:55:19.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And i'm a big believer of life happens for us not to us so if life happens for us, then, when you're dealing with something look for how does this serve me.
00:55:20.970 --> 00:55:28.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What what does this do for me who do I have to become to effectively deal with this and how can I learn and grow from this.
00:55:29.700 --> 00:55:34.590 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And it doesn't always feel good it doesn't always feel comfortable and that's okay.
00:55:35.550 --> 00:55:51.930 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But just keeping in mind that life actually is serving us even in our greatest challenges that can really help us to keep moving forward in a an inspired way notice I didn't say positive but in an inspired way.
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:54.870 well.
00:55:56.430 --> 00:55:57.000 Graham Dobbin: Sam.
00:55:58.140 --> 00:56:00.660 Graham Dobbin: Thank you so much, frank when can people hear your show.
00:56:01.260 --> 00:56:11.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So my show airs live on talk radio dot nyc and on Thursday today from noon to 1pm Eastern time so same day as you grow must be something.
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:17.130 Graham Dobbin: Unless we got traveling machine listen next week don't listen to this week, so we can do we can get catch up.
00:56:17.910 --> 00:56:24.300 Graham Dobbin: Some it's been really enlightening you know I see this regularly but i'm looking forward to having you back on again.
00:56:24.660 --> 00:56:34.440 Graham Dobbin: Thank you very much to listening to the main bank leadership will be back next Thursday at 7pm, thank you for Emily for being the purchase of this evening have a great evening goodbye.
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:36.150 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Thank you, Graham good night.
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